What the hell is a Tiling Window Manager? Linux For Newbs EP 2

[@ethandoescompsci]

Thanks, nerd 🤙

[@JohnLing-on1hv]

Not sure if I missed it in the video but for anyone who couldn't see i3 show up after clicking the gear icon in gdm, this is because you have not installed xorg (sudo pacman -S xorg)

[@naufalbintang3824]

thanks

[@tobiasleitz301]

thanks!! got stuck there for a while

[@InternetDragonHero]

really thank you man

[@nsjude]

Had the same problem thanks

[@ArkhayaAratia1999]

Fucking G

[@LinuxEssentials79]

Ooh no! 😨 I'm trapped inside a Window Manager... What the heck...? Chris help me out! 😰 i3 Basic Key Shortcuts: mod + Enter = terminal. mod + d = dmenu. From here I can type "firefox" and press enter to open a firefox pane. mod + left/right/up/down arrow = switch between panes. mod + 1/2/3 etc = open or switch workspace. mod + f = fullscreen focused pane (press again to revert). mod + w = convert open panes to tab screen (mod + e = breaks out from tab screen). mod + e = toggle the orientation of the panes from horizontal to vertical split and vice versa. mod + a = select the parent, which is the entire window. Then if I open a terminal, it will open on its own pane (reclaiming half screen). mod + Shift + Space = convert to a floating window (press again to revert to full screen mode). mod + Shift + q = quit focused pane. mod + Shift + e = log out to display manager (click yes on top right). mod + Shift + 1/2/3 etc = move focused pane to a workspace 😉Thanks Chris! I can't wait for the configuration part!

[@r3plican]

thanks nerd

[@PalashBackup]

This channel is just in time for beginning my linux journey. And Arch, by the way.

[@ags2099]

Same. Arch btw.

[@andreslazcano6469]

I will be using Arch too btw

[@arozinos863]

Same! I'll use Arch too, by the way.

[@Yes-me4pk]

gah damn the balls to START with Arch. How's it going so far?

[@ags2099]

@@Yes-me4pk installing arch takes only 15 minutes these days by way of archinstall script

[@youtubegaming3281]

Best Linux KZbinr. Simple and easy.

[@typecraft_dev]

thanks!

[@MO-fg2cm]

You forgot Learn Linux TV ... He's the only one who goes to depth of Linux

[@adammontgomery7980]

Jason Wertz has the best series on Linux IMHO. The videos are a bit older now, but great as far as learning the OS. No offense, but using a tiling WM and having a cool color scheme doesn't make a Linux user. It does bring the eyeballs though.

[@MO-fg2cm]

@@adammontgomery7980 exactly 💯

[@Watchie1975]

This is the best I3 window manager tutorial video I have yet seen. You told me how to get out when I’m lost and don’t know what to do. One of the most important things for starting to learn my way around any new kind of software!

[@typecraft_dev]

That’s what I was going for. I’m glad you enjoyed the video!!!

[@v4r00n]

Just installed Arch (by the way) with your tutorial and looked if you uploaded the next tutorial and there it is.

[@yamjad1]

I would love to see an episode about Hyperland

[@awaissajid4739]

yeah he should definately make a video about it

[@elise-3198]

I just switched to twm a few days ago, and the main difficulty wasn't getting used to the tiling, that was simple. It was getting all the little things working that DEs just do automatically. Getting my media keys working, being able to swap audio devices, connecting Bluetooth, getting authentication popups like when installing software. Things like that that you need to find new solutions to when switching from a fully featured desktop environment.

[@chocolate_squiggle]

Ugh, I just don't get why? I use a 10-12 year old laptop. Granted it's an i7 which has aged well. But I can't really imagine any modern laptops being seriously hindered by any regular desktop environment. Linux can be painful enough at times, Bluetooth is hellishly unreliable even on Windows. I've just lost the will to fuck around with half-featured desktops that make all that stuff even harder yet again. Are you saying you have to manually switch audio output when you plug headphones in or out? I can do everything he showed in his tiling manager, in my Cinnamon desktop, and control it all mostly with my keyboard already, I wish you good luck, I wanted to be convinced by this video but I wasn't, and your comment especially puts me off. I think it's good information for people. I like tinkering with technology but I must be getting too old & cranky for some of it now :-)

[@marcoslanes]

Thanks @typecraft! I've seen several tutorials about Hyprland and I3 and it's very confusing. But this is a masterful peace! PS: at 4:50 I'm laughing really loud! 😆...

[@aminrazeghi2962]

I use arch (btw) with hyprland. I have KDE and i3 as backup. Love your videos. Looking for the next episodes

[@no_name4796]

Just use sway instead of i3. Xorg is more and more a bigger of a vulnerability

[@rafaelbordoni516]

How does hyprland handles KDE apps? I imagine it wont load the panels you configured on Plasma, will it? How about theming? I know Plasma configures both Qt and GTK so some of it should work, but I'm guessing the title bars on apps should not, right? About the panel again, can I use the KDE widgets in whatever panel Hyprland comes with or some other replacement like the Wayland polybar one? How about multi monitors, how does it work? Do I have to use something like xrandr to manage them for me? Sorry for bombarding you with questions, I was just considering switching to hyprland these days and I never considered using it alongside plasma like that, I'm just curious now.

[@DonCarlo46]

You are fr the Andy Cooks of tech content... calm, cool and competent 🤙

[@RetosSpace]

Bloody Good Video man, Noob here, on a Arch based distro now for 2yrs straight and loving it......" Microsoft gives you Windows, Linux gives you the whole House"-not my quote!!

[@delta0254]

Thank you so much for these videos. I recently followed the Neovim series and learned a ton! I'm using the regolith tiling manager on Ubuntu at the moment but I've been meaning to try out other distros and these videos are going to be really helpful.

[@typecraft_dev]

Fantastic!

[@name1355_0ne]

Thanks for the gorgeous demo of a tiling window manager.

[@dbmusicz]

Great video, thank you! Just my two cents on the topic: I'd ditch installing gnome alltogether. For me personally, part of becoming a better developer was alao to get to know my computer better and underatanding how it works. My recommendation (without any prejustice against your way or any other way): - Install distro of choice - Get comfy in tty, don't use gnome. Also, 99% of setups are single user setups, in addition, if you're focused on one wm (i3, sway, ...), there really (for me) is no use in using any login manager - install wm through tty - get it to start (yey) - auto start it when logging into tty2 for example All steps can easily be researched and you end up with a lighter system But hey just my opinion! ;)

[@laskargoaselarong]

This channel will increase the population of nerds

[@b00tt3r_5]

I installed i3wm for debian today Man, that was the best thing i did, it is hard to get used and customize, BUT IT IS SO FRICKING FUN! i love it, feels like im even creating my own DE, in a way

[@react_06]

Ohhhh Thank You man, I have been waiting for this episode since the last one. ❤

[@co48756]

great episode! Already looking forward to EP 3.

[@nsjude]

Just finished my installation, let's rock this one too

[@Queeebo]

Looking very forward to see this series. Will going to be a swayer soon B) Thanks nerd!

[@U00v]

I was waiting for this video, thanks for your work.

[@ken-kurosaki]

Thank you so much typecraft. Let's goooooooo🔥

[@r3dux]

Great vid! Tip: It's always best to `pacman -Suy ` rather than just -S so that what you actually end up installing is guaranteed to be in sync with what it needs / uses. Without the "upgrade everything" part (i.e., the 'uy') it's possible to _just_ install some new package that's flipped over to a newer version without any related dependencies, and that could cause you grief.

[@typecraft_dev]

Awesome comment. Thanks!

[@BrentMalice]

you have the best pacing. only useful information but you tell me about the extra stuff so im neither overwhelmed nor under-informed

[@roberttranceedm]

I'm not a Linux noob, but I like to watch your videos! You're a fun person to hear

[@DV-ml4fm]

I use both i3 and dwm because I'm a linux geek.

[@JoshuaB86]

Great video. I've been on i3 for a few years and my favorite part is everything just works. I login and start accomplishing my work for the day with no friction. I'm sure the wayland kids will come yell at me, but Xorg has been IT for so long so lots of support for IT.

[@sa-hq8jk]

sway is supposed to be a drop in replacement for i3 on wayland

[@ardwetha]

I use Hyprland as a daily driver and it works. I didn't care about making it looking good, but it's efficient. I also have Cosmic setup, but I currently still have some problems, but I have it installed since today and didn't put much work into it. I use Arch btw.

[@typecraft_dev]

Nice (btw)

[@esra_erimez]

Not only did I sub, I have notifications turned on too. This channel is great.

[@chocolate_squiggle]

Hmmm... I'd read about tiling windows managers several times over the years, I thought I must be missing something because I get they're lightweight and some people just like that., but I still never understood how & why they're supposedly 'better'. I really wanted to be convinced because I prefer functional & efficient over modern UX design. But every argument you gave, it's just exactly how I use my regular Cinnamon desktop already. My hands ALSO almost never leave the keyboard. I make extensive use of alt-tab, ctrl-tab, adding shift to reverse directions, and keyboard shortcuts for applications. So you can open a terminal or firefox in the time it takes for a single key-press? I do too. I can snap my application windows to corners or half-screens when I want to concentrate on several apps at once. Granted I can't tile three apps vertically as quickly as you showed, but I can do it (alt-space gives access to min/max/resize & move - all with keyboard). If they're all terminal based windows I can switch to tmux and achieve that a little quicker - still all completely keyboard based. I just don't see anything much at all, let alone anything compelling, that you showed in the first half of this video, that I don't already regularly do with my non-tiling based window manager. And then IF and WHEN I want to use a mouse to arrange windows differently, I ALSO have the option of doing that. So what does tiling offer me except for less resource usage? I'm not trying to be a dick, I acknowledge most people don't know how to make extensive use of keyboard shortcuts inside a GUI - but learning that is no different to having to learn i3 commands, surely?

[@kaiowasdeath]

Hey dude! I’m a fan! You are blasting it with this new series. I got some feedback I wanna share. I enjoyed all of your videos so far. I also use Arch, btw. I think you missed the chance to show the power of tty consoles when you gotta troubleshoot a Linux installation when DE or WM breaks. You can always use the tty console to fix your i3 config. I would have added it there as well. Maybe a small side video later in the journey, and add it somewhere as a card in this one? I know gnome makes it easy, but the best way of tinkering this way is going the-hard-way. I would rather watch you guide me through the steps and layers of bootstrapping process instead of pre-digesting. “Don’t give me fish, teach me how to fish and show me how to knot a hook when I snap one.” I’m sure you will cover this on the dotfiles management video towards the end of the series most probably, but I wanted to add it here in advance. Because… what happens when my gnome breaks? You are good at practicing the bootstrapping. Please do not rush and oversimplify in the next video. I would suggest to take your time and imagine that the majority of your audience being other kindred spirits with the same proficiency level and having kinda same skills as you- but using another OS. The true beginners will stumble upon your channel way later in their journey. That’s the sad truth of the algo and the sheer amount of Linux noob content on KZbin. Awesome cap btw!

[@typecraft_dev]

Sure this is great feedback. In my mind, I envisioned this series as a simple overview of getting from point a (no install) to point b (tiling WM). But I’m realizing people would like more in depth stuff. I’ll try to work some more in depth topics to the videos coming up. Thanks!!

[@Tech-Is-Magical]

I'm agree with you on this. I love the series. I start my linux journey more than a year ago with garuda gnome. I use it for about 1 year with no issues,no hard breaks where I couldn't recover from,I was able to play all my games which I had them on window - just to list some, jedi star wars survivor,starfield,palworld,gta5,darksiders series, metro, some of them work better on linux than windows,not gonna lie.( I have amd rig, 7950x with amd radeon rx7900xtx). Recently I installed EndeavourOS, and man I'm so happy, the OS it's gorgeous. And I want to learn more about linux, I start using my lapto ( asus tuf gaming fx505gd) for trial and error. I installed arch hyprland and this video came at the right time. I like the explanations and how it takes us newbies in this free world of Linux. Thanks for the effort of doing this! @typecraft_dev

[@minementalx]

Thanks for the series! I want to switch to Linux and a twm and now I have a guiding hand!

[@sevos]

Oh no I'm being dragged through programming socks pipeline 😱

[@itsfkf6106]

programming socks are inevitable

[@felipejzrd]

Skip Xorg, Wayland is the future! Hyprland highly recommended.

[@typecraft_dev]

I'll have to do a video on hyprland coming up

[@Comradin]

Made the switch from i3 to Hyprland and it's great. Always had problems with Sway as an i3 drop in replacement. Especially if you have a Nvidia graphics card.

[@p0kepengin592]

@@typecraft_dev im hyped

[@goshagogoevich6602]

Even on Nvidia?)

[@felipejzrd]

@@goshagogoevich6602 neofetch says I'm rocking an Nvidia RTX 3080

[@sergionascimento5365]

Perfeita hora para este conteúdo! Nice time for this vdo! Tnks!

[@kendril1yt]

I already have my i3, but watching your vids is so cozy

[@RealMephres]

I've been using Linux for a few years and know my ways with it, but I still think your videos are very useful and digestible. I am especially thankful for your Neovim series, though. I used almost exclusively Nano to write scripts and tiny little programs, and it was a mess. Your videos made me jump ship to Neovim, and it has been great so far! Thank you, and keep up the good work!

[@klirmio21]

Thank you! And yet another moustached dev to subscribe to!

[@Mantikal]

That's for providing the overhead terrain view (how all things relate to each other) to all this.

[@vidar100]

Thanks, nerd. Fellow Arch linux Hyprland bspwm daily driver here.

[@midnighteagle8029]

You forgot to tell how to close windows, stuck at many windows open😂. Great explanation btw!♥️ Mod+Shift+Q if someone else is wondering.

[@ReptilianLaserbeam]

I didn't know I needed a tiling window manager in my life. that's it. I'm going back to linux XD

[@BalduinoFernando]

broooo, this is awesome. Looks like it's not hard as I thought. I'm on PopOS with Gnome, I love its stability, but now I'm tempted to go into i3 or any other tiling wm.

[@cthecheese1620]

TLDR: Thank you for this content No joke I stumbled into ep0 today and then it went down like Ep0: This is an interesting topic, oh look, ep1 is out too maybe I could do it this weekend Ep1: Dang, this doesn’t give us tiling, I guess not this weekend *three videos later Ep2 emerges and it feels like Christmas in summer*

[@RazoBeckett.]

I use Arch btw, with DWM and it feels like i got superpowers !!!

[@prashlovessamosa]

whoever edits your video deserves a raise.

[@GustavoHenrique-xg4ey]

unless you use Arch, the Iceberg using i3 is to adapt every single feature from gnome or similiar to i3 (how to controll sound, devices, bluetooth, screenshot, internet, keyboard, touchpad, etc.)

[@nerdg2]

Wow, wish this video existed an year ago, that was when i moved from windows, had enough and really needed to try linux, eventually to the point trying arch, got fedup with gnome,kde and etc, tried to grasp these mysterious thigns called window managers, unixporn is filled with em, i wanted a desktop like that :D it took me quite a while to grasp the concepts, i had to learn by trial and error, i didn't even know what a WM is, it took me a while but jeese, you are doing a huge favor to the community man! BTW, hyprland and wayland is a dream to work with! i have a UHD monitor, yet the animations, the speed, its freaking nuts, animations are so smooth like better! i have ended up writing my own configuration files tweaking the heck outta hyprland. its amazing man, try it!

[@rannsakanda]

it's crazy how in the beginning a tiling wm was scary, now I can't see myself not using it, it's like it has became part of me lol

[@macmanuelodumeru3708]

Just like vim keybindings lol

[@macmanuelodumeru3708]

Just like vim keybindings. Lol

[@exitvelocity34]

Zorg? (Xorg) -- that's a first for me. Immense videos and tutorials. Exceptional job tc.

[@chanukanadun]

You just convinced me to switch to a tiling window manager. Thanks nerd

[@jonatasmoraes141]

One more great video, one more great playlist. Thanks, nerd.

[@devopstoolbox]

He did it again!

[@muntazirsaad1603]

Coool

[@AhsanHabib-mj5ym]

The coolest neck beard I know on youtube...

[@typecraft_dev]

hell yeah brother

[@Macj707]

I love your channel. I just found it yesterday. I got an account on the site and I joined the discord.

[@KuzyEXDE]

it's cool, now i want to be on arch linux btw keep going

[@chinmaykunkikar]

I have stayed away from twms for a long time. Might as well give it a shot after this video

[@derhenri2002]

One should mention though that Gnome also has really good shortcuts with "Home+[1-9]", "Ctrl-W", "Ctrl-PageUp", etc. as well.

[@miczukow]

Great video, as usual, but shouldn't we do snapshots first? That's what I'm really looking forward to. Keep up the good work!

[@typecraft_dev]

We can setup snapshots in this series!

[@salimgamers8287]

When i install i3 I can't find it when I log out

[@cristhianjhlcom]

Great video! thank you very much. 💯💯

[@typecraft_dev]

Glad it was helpful!

[@vidojesevic8014]

DWM for life 🤘🏾

[@alon.hearter]

Thanks, Gnerd!

[@typecraft_dev]

lol

[@FCcommando]

You explain things very nice!

[@srinee3154]

Hi, BTW how to change resolution permanently i3wm, I can able to select correct resolution from gnome GUI but switching to I3WM I cannot. Pls give me the Best Practice solution to fix that(Running Arch in Virtual box). Thank You. Great Video BTW.👌🙏

[@fuzzy-02]

Same for me. Resolution goes back down on i3

[@neonaradan6001]

Can't wait for the next video!.

[@alejandrobanderas3577]

Hyprland is super easy to configure! And the documentation is way better than any other

[@stuartlittle4433]

Super video thank you Typecraft - did you miss out the part where you have to install Xorg? I needed to install Xorg before i3 would show as a choice in the Gnome session manager.

[@typecraft_dev]

Yes I forgot that part!

[@YouseefSabryFaroqSoliman]

I'm waiting for the next ep ;)

[@JanSteen7870]

Tiling manager is maybe great for a person that runs a ton of programs. A lot of terminals to control servers, or for programing. But for a " normal" user that use his computer to surf on internet, check e-mails play some games, and only uses terminal for installing stuff or fixing problems. I think a DE is a better choice for those people. BUt I do like this video, and now I am trying some tiling Window managers out

[@yeahitsmesofkinwhat]

"Wayland's gonna be better than Xorg" They've been saying that since like 2008 when they started working on it. That's the same energy as "This is the year for linux". You're peddling hope or cope when you say that. Wayland is better now than previously, but it still has quite a way to go.

[@mahmoud1737]

i love using i3 because it's so reliable and easier to use stock configurations , im always curious about wayland and hyprland and try to get some peeks , but their stock experience isn't as easy as i3 and always have frustrations with screen sharing screenshots ,that make me return back to i3 . i don't get the use of sway other than its i3 but with stuff that will not work normally. this linux series is awesome and very helpful to show clear path for new people .

[@oumardicko5593]

or just wait until Cosmic DE is done, it will have the all the stuff a WM has plus the easiness of a Desktop Environment

[@guilleb4sterra]

love this series, keep it up!!!

[@gigalodon14]

as someone who is not your target group, I think a video about immutable distros might be interesting, especially the universal blue project

[@DaviMartins99]

Love this series!

[@Inqanter]

This is amazing! Thank you 🔥🔥🔥

[@luclisson6310]

cant wait for the next episode

[@lritzdorf]

...hang on, "zorg"? That's a new one; I've always pronounced it as "ex-org." In seriousness, nice summary! The coverage of Wayland while still using the more traditionally compatible X11 is great for new users.

[@typecraft_dev]

haha. its funny. I never really say "Xorg" out loud, and haven't heard it said many times. I just default to "Zorg" in my brain. didn't realize that was wrong, lol. Thanks for enjoying the video!

[@kishoregarapati1]

I love your videos and find them really informative. Could you please make some videos on Rust programming? Watching you write and explain Rust code would be super motivating. Thanks a lot!

[@axMf3qTI]

I want to point something out. If your desktop-environment is Gnome there is a extension for Gnome called Pop Shell, I think it ships with Pop OS, not sure. But when you install that you'll can switch between tiling and floating wm with one short-cut. Me personally prefer this over a dedicated tiling wm like I3. Also tiling wm have a feature missing. Why isn't possible to open up an app and have it occupy the half on the screen and show part of that wall paper. Many times I have one app open on a workspace and it is just too large. Half the width would be so much better.

[@AIKenny123]

YESSSSIRR

[@MrBodoFraggins]

I use the Forge extension on Gnome to get the best of both worlds! LOVE IT

[@fuzzy-02]

Whenever I hear the word Xorg I can't help but think/ imagine the Zerg

[@ImSuchAZero]

am having a problem, where you're supposed to pick you De's theres no i3?

[@Emin4egg]

Hope you make a wayland tiling manager installation one day

[@typecraft_dev]

Sure!

[@otisprogramming2437]

This is awesome, thank you

[@timjames4306]

Love that car clip😂❤

[@warmdev]

now we need EP3

[@iBolski]

I followed the video, installed via the previous one with GNOME and GDM, but after installing i3, I do not have the option to choose i3. All I have to choose from is GNOME or GNOME Classic. I've even rebooted the VM and still, no i3 even though it's installed. What I had to do was disable GDM via systemctl and then re-enable and restart it. Not sure if it has to do with the 2024-06-01 version of Arch linux I'm using or not. UPDATE: It appears after installing Arch per your previous video, it's using Wayland by default, not XOrg. So that makes sense why i3 isn't working. LOL! I wonder why my version of Arch is installing Wayland as the default? In any case, I just did "sudo pacman -S xorg-server" and rebooted and now I can choose between Wayland or Xorg.

[@sergeykolesnik1171]

installing xorg-server fixed it for me, thanks

[@dekaboss2730]

thanks, installing xorg-server worked

[@MohamedMansour]

Would be nice to explain how you can mix layouts too. Like two column layout where the second column is tabbed. Really useful

[@glavataa]

First time I hear the X Window System/X11/X referred to as xorg.

[@enkaskal]

when did everybody start calling X org, "zorg"? and what happened to just x or x11? ;) srsly tho, this was a good intro for non-tw users; thanks!

[@adiljamshad215]

That looks so cool 😍

[@daiyanhossainchowdhury5867]

This is exactly what i wanted

For those in Mac, you have Amethyst and/or Yabai

[@warmdev]

there we go, EP2