Typical Viper Driver at an HPDE TWS

[@trevonstewart3636]

He’s driving a viper, he’s just trying to survive

[@peterkater4292]

Exactly! Every car guy knows that Vipers are prone to biting some driver's ass in the curves... Nice American machine there! 🇺🇲

[@timgoodliffe]

@@peterkater4292 its america we make boats! haha

[@peterkater4292]

@@timgoodliffe Power boats 😄

[@brianhap22]

Looks like a fun layout but man that track needs some upkeep.

[@Van-tastic]

FWIW, this track is now a subdivision 😔

[@srhatfield]

@@Van-tastic ouch. Palm Beach IR is gone now 😢too

[@troycarman906]

Ego is the Enemy... This is the norm at every track day event I've ever attended. Even the Instructor run group has this issue. He would have been wise to point you by, study your line, and find you later to discuss car control and gather tips. These events are about learning, so staying humble is the key to progress.

[@MrLogistician]

Why be humble when you can put your foot down and be an asshole?

[@maniUSArmy]

Good to see all those tar snakes have some pavement to break them up here and there. Geez that is one horrible-looking track. No motorcyclist would ever set a tire there.

[@hmmr_the_slammr8584]

Have you ever been to or seen Talledega Gp in AL? It’s not quite as bad, but it’s similar

[@danbennett1643]

he was nice enough to wave you by....he was late apexing every corner looks like he did not know the track well. I have been there it takes awhile to learn the tricks of TWS! Have Fun!

[@matthewcastellano9229]

hahaha my favorite part about the wave by is that he is in a fucking viper so he still launches

[@ilikerealflight]

Gotta feel for the Viper driver a bit as well tho. He's way off the pace in the corners, but blows past everyone on the straight. So he either lets off and never enjoys the straight, or holds everyone up so he can have some fun for once. Granted, he would be better off going to a drag strip

[@MattsBaseballWorld]

Yeah, was just gong to say... running a heavy v10 like that ain't made for braking or corners.

[@donnycorn3086]

viper's built for the track from a barn so I wouldn't say you should bring it on a track, but yea that thing's capable for straight lines. Don't take my words, Caroll Shelby knows this thing the best.

[@uncle_salty_3675]

A lot of autism here

[@plap.]

@@MattsBaseballWorld vipers run on tracks all the time. They set records that stay for a long time. For example a Viper ACR has a long standing record, since 2017, at Nurbergring in Germany.

[@Globalx59]

miata giving pointbys someone in a hatchback going off the course really badly and a viper only going fast in a straight line this has to be a parody.

[@SI0AX]

You mean @0:46-0:47? I never saw anybody give that guy a point by, not even the Viper.

[@Andrew_Amos]

@@SI0AX He didn't use any any commas so I can see why it might be a little hard to read and I totally understand where you might have misunderstood but what he meant to say is: "A Miata giving point-bys, someone in a hatchback going off course really badly, and a viper going fast in a straight line - this has to be a parody."

[@SI0AX]

@@Andrew_Amos I re-read it and I get it now! LMAO! XD I always tend to misinterpret things in a negative way! Thanks for clarifying!

[@peterkater4292]

Viper wasn't pushing to the max inside the curves.. OK. But if you had ever driven one (Gen2 GTS) then you would know it tends to be willing to "bite your ass" from mid curve section, right when you start applying the throttle again... Just saying. You're right. I'm just willing to explain why you are right 😉

[@SI0AX]

@@peterkater4292 A huge mistake I see in most crashes is that when people get the rear to slide, the immediately back off the throttle inducing "lift-off over-steer" when you already suffering from an over-steer condition and make everything worse. But then you have people who not only do that, but apply the brakes causing a "braking over-steer" condition on top of the lift-off and original over-steer condition making it like 3x worse. What you need to do is keep some throttle pressure, it's OK to back off slightly but not 100% off. You need weight to transfer to the rear.

[@arthurmchugh5184]

Man that infield track is in sad shape 😠🏎

[@justinmickelson4599]

Focused on the Viper so much, must ignored the guy going off road at 0:44

[@SaumBodhi]

Wtf! Oops?

[@plap.]

Hes just having fun They are a handful in tight turns especially on rough roads. You are just aggravated you get smoked on the straights

[@nautilaz]

You must be trolling, or no nothing about track day etiquette.

[@plap.]

@@nautilaz What are you talking about, the car with the camera couldn't get enough going to pass Viper then at the end when he could get a run at him the viper let him go by. There is absolutely no problem happening. what, do you think he should just pull over if anyone gets within a hundred yards of his back bumper and let everyone pass. Even at the beginning of the video the Viper let a car by him. You at least have to look like you can make it by him.

[@nautilaz]

@@plap. Have you ever run an HPDE event? This is not a race, and there are certain passing zones. The car caught him at almost every corner zone, so it's etiquette to do a passby, lift off throttle, and let other through (at designated zones). THEN, the viper could LEARN from the video driver on how to take a line properly. It's not straight line speed nor a race in this situation.

[@future62]

Whats up with HPDE drivers always being jealous of unskilled drivers in faster + nicer cars lol. Hot pit and rejoin in a gap in traffic or find some better track days.

[@alancruz9607]

Facts.

[@JK-g62]

So true....

[@peterkater4292]

EXACTLY!!! Thank you sir 👍

[@Kphol]

couldn't have said it any better

[@zec.4491]

Sure but pretty sure the etiquette to let "faster in the corners" drivers pass. Even if you're faster in the straights

[@billyrayvalentine7972]

I don't see the problem. Plenty of room left on the inside but the pass couldn't be completed. By the time you were inside he was back on the throttle and moving on. The only questionable move was after 4 minutes

[@jonahshochat5440]

The problem is he should sense that theres other drivers who are faster in the turns and he shouldnt be just punching it down the straights and not letting people pass just to hold them up in the turns where its unsafe to pass. Even if theres room, at most track days your not supposed to pass through the turns unless your in the highest driver level class

[@engineerjmd3]

UH, no. Unless this was HPDE 4 (which did not appear to be the case) all passing requires a point by. So until the Viper driver gives the point by you cannot just take him. It's not race rules passing.

[@Dallas-Rife-UDX-347-Tennessee]

Only problem I see is that horrible track surface ,, and he pulled away with that V-10 out of every corner . Hard to compete with that

[@engineerjmd3]

One of the first things we (instructors) tell new students. If someone is on your bumper, they are faster than you, that's how they go there. Yield, give the point by and if you are smart follow and see what they are doing. That's Basic HPDE manners. It's not a race.

[@williamwallace6817]

Back in the mid 80s we went to the AMA races at TWS. Got to walk around the pit area, which was completely open to the public, and talk to some of the greatest motorcycle racers in the world! Just as in the video, there was no barrier around most of the track and only common sense kept people from getting hit, especially if someone crashed! Oh the good ole days!!

[@colinhayden1974]

Typical meaning in front of you?

[@NoHope_]

viper had better lines and was faster, I don't see the issue at all. just cause you throw it up the inside with nothing to follow through with doesn't mean he should stop hit drive just to be stuck behind you.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

Exactly. OP is just sad he can't afford a Viper IMO.

[@punklancelot6148]

OP caught the viper from waaaaay back - clearly he was the faster car

[@NoHope_]

@@punklancelot6148 no he didn’t, hes dive bombing the corner, had more entry speed but zero exit speed because he had to spend more time on the brakes, that’s not how you go fast, that’s how you get a quick pass in a race but this isn’t a race it’s a track day. if op was faster he would of been infront of the viper.

[@SI0AX]

@@NoHope_ I thought his exit speed was bad because he had to over-brake to avoid hitting the viper. To me, it looked like he was trying to get the vipers attention.

[@jose7777777777777777]

You either haven't been to a track day or you're like this guy. If someone catches you, they're faster than you and you need to let them by.

[@lykinsmotorsports]

Yep, typical Viper. Half-tracking all the little weedeater-sounding cars.

[@ronyoung6054]

I remember in the nineties when Vipers raced, Archer brothers ran for Chrysler. 12 races 12 wins, that is a typical Viper, no competition what so ever. Last time to watch this idiot trying catch everyone else

[@BluestreakCorollaXRS]

Yeah... not until you made your point at 4:02, and then it looked like he was considering beating you in the drag race to get back in front. I'm currently having a turbo installed in my S2000 because I got so fed up with (often Corvettes) doing this to me at Time Attack events. Then I found groups that let drivers pass without a point-by, making car mods unnecessary. I sure hope I didn't ruin my S2000... should know in a couple of weeks. Anyway, I relived your pain watching this video

[@zelda7ase]

A turbo certainly shouldn't ruin an S2000. It will make it a blast to drive.

[@BluestreakCorollaXRS]

@@zelda7ase Absolutely on the street! I'm mainly concerned that it might affect throttle steering on track. I really enjoy that off-on-off-on car rotation experience. Went with a smaller turbo ~375 WHP to reduce lag, but only tracking it will tell. There's also the fact that I'll have to learn to roll on vs STOMP the pedal on corner exits. That part I very much look forward to. I'm sure it will be freaking awesome as an overall car, even if it loses some of its visceral feel on track. Even if I don't like it at first, I'll go after it for a long time before I decide it's the car vs my ability to adapt to how it behaves. I love @sparkys2k

[@peterkater4292]

It's not called "pain" it's called "lack of engine" buddy 🤣

[@skatan4727]

Turbo on an s2000 is the best

[@sparkys2k]

@@zelda7ase I got the car back, and can definitely confirm your assertions. 👍 It made driving much more pleasurable on the street and the track!

[@KenWalling]

@4:02 "Damn, he just went for it... oh, nevermind"

[@sbfhawk4343]

Looks like a hell of alot of fun. I am going to have to try this one day with my 250 HP CRX I always say its a balancing act you do not want a car that only goes fast in the straights but cant hold its own on the turns " Viper , Corvettes , Mustangs and Demons " Neither a Slower car that kills the turns but cant do very fast on the straights you need something balanced that can do both well!!!

[@devanteeklund6398]

Corvettes hold some of the best track times on most of the big tracks. They do both. Easily. It's been proven over and over. Why make stuff up?

[@GALLUS_PRIME]

@@devanteeklund6398 he’s probably referring to small percentage of owners that can’t drive for Shit.

[@Jimmyshotdogshack]

Cant even think about hanging with the viper on the straights lol

[@jamesgarvey8402]

Love Vipers. But, lots of douchebags. Kind of similar to my other loved car: M3’s. lol

[@KM-mt5gx]

Maybe you're a douche too?

[@peterkater4292]

Difference between Vipers and M3s is that Viper has potential and pedigree. Which M3s haven't. Full stop 😁

[@jamesgarvey8402]

@@peterkater4292 dude.. no you didn’t.

[@peterkater4292]

@@jamesgarvey8402 didn't what? Are you able to make your point in English? Or should I communicate phonetic with you?

[@ZboeC5]

​@@jamesgarvey8402 I remember when Randy Pobst got a better lap time in a Mustang GT than he did in a M3.

[@sammadisonfishing]

Typical entitled BMW owner

[@peterkater4292]

So fucking BMW all the way... "I hafff a German carrr, I am faster than you!" "let me pass, I am a Renn-specialist!" So full of shit and arrogance. Ain't you ashamed you posted that video? Looking like a crying little girl??

[@anchoviebear]

If you want open passing, don't go to HPDEs. Someone who may be trying to learn how to wrestle with their car doesn't need someone sticking their nose up the inside every other corner and adding additional pressure. The Viper driver did nothing wrong.

[@jkim13055]

First thing you learn at a real DE program is to be aware of your surroundings, or else you will never be able to negotiate a pass in a advanced run group. If a driver isn't receptive to such a basic concept they need to stay home. If this guy is too focused on keeping his piece out of the armco he needs instruction or I bet you he'll miss a debris flag one fateful day. Go home if you can't take the pressure of cars in the mirror. What club have you run with that would say this is pefectly acceptable?

[@michaelw6277]

@@jkim13055 Riding his bumper and pressuring him like that are even less acceptable. That's straight fucking dangerous. Want to be the responsible adult on the track? Duck into the pit lane and inform someone that the guy in the red Viper needs to given a lesson on situational awareness and that the corner workers need to show him the blue flag. What the Viper driver did wrong was a teachable lesson that he could be better for learning. What the poster of this video was doing should have gotten him taken off the track.

[@robbiek1999]

From Oscar the Grouch, you and the Viper Idiot need to learn the way HPDE works. If you have someone behind you, they didn't teleport there. Means they are a better driver or have better car and the only respectful thing to do is to give a point by. The flaggers should have given him multiple blue/yellow stripe flags but I think he wouldn't have looked at them either.

[@robbiek1999]

@@michaelw6277 I disagree Michael. Have you driven HPDE in anything other than beginner group? Looked like the driver who took the video was in complete control of his car.

[@michaelw6277]

@@robbiek1999 yeah, and I've done enough track days to know when to create distance from another driver that's showing a lack of awareness. In fact, I know how to do it without being a big baby about it.

[@lastname-Nm]

I like the camera driver’s lines. No idea if it’s the fast line tho

[@natewarda2205]

Anyone notice that VW golf that flew off track near around 0:43?

[@badgumby9544]

Only thing that I could see is that the Viper driver showed us that you don't know how to overtake a slower car.

[@robertkorn]

You don't overtake cars at an HPDE, it's on the car holding up traffic to give a point by to pass and then back off to let them go. Unfortunately drivers with more HP than skill hold up good drivers on corners and then drag race them down the straights.

[@badgumby9544]

@@robertkorn Overtaking depends on which HPDE class you're in.

[@Weimerica8841]

@@badgumby9544 I've never heard of a track day without point by passing, and I definitely would not want to participate in one.

[@BluestreakCorollaXRS]

@@robertkorn This! So many are missing the point!

[@BluestreakCorollaXRS]

@@Weimerica8841 it's actually quite refreshing when you're in with aware, skilled drivers. Otherwise, yeah, sketchy!

[@deansapp4635]

I had a 98 Firebird and a Viper did that to me a Summit Point years ago, I leaned on his back bumper, He finally moved over

[@josephrincon9947]

Didn't think a firebird could lean on anyone's back bumper! HaHa

[@deansapp4635]

@@josephrincon9947 It wasn t the Viper s fault, Its driver sucked

[@s.a.i.v]

He's like "pass me 50% throttle" and you still couldn't pass. Jk all jokes aside it happens and either one of you had to give...

[@imantisocial3179]

slower driver in faster car vs faster driver vs slower car. ...now kiss.

[@andrehooker3229]

Soo someone got sent to the netherealm I see.

[@Pmtd1234]

We were fortunate when I drove at the Road Atlanta Panoz Racing track days back in the early 2000s. They would black flag a driver who was not yielding and explain track etiquette.

[@Cobra_427]

wish I could've went to this track before it started to become a neighborhood, would've been the closest track to me, now the closest is Austin, 2 hours away but still

[@jarrettbank]

Typical HPDE driver.. dozen opportunities to pass.

[@paulkomurka4530]

Most require a point by

[@Ryansanders80]

having known the man who is responsible for why the viper handles like it does, you have to be a suicidal maniac to make it go fast.. or just be a rally driver

[@donnycorn3086]

or be caroll shelby and fake a heart attack. man was a legend.

[@arthurgevorkyan2788]

Typical BMW driver video

[@ksmith3510]

Viper did nothing wrong. He was much fast everywhere but the super tight turns. Seems like you need a tissue

[@Cwazywazy140]

the vipers wrongdoing was not letting this guy past him.. you saw how quickly he caught up after every straight

[@Tangent360]

The problem is there were more than enough tight sections that the Viper was clearly running slower laps. It's basic track day etiquette; if someone catches up to you, you let them pass. Just because you can outrun them on straights doesn't mean they aren't overall faster.

[@jivadaya6439]

Yes, this butt hurt road warrior is Mario incarnate don't you know lmao

[@theslayer10875]

So he should let you past in the tight corners, only to blow your doors off in the straight shoots again? Definitely sounds like you need a tissue!!

[@jivadaya6439]

@@theslayer10875 IKR

[@chipsutcliffe7110]

Event organizers need to stress this at every event. This situation causes track offs or worse. If you see a Miata in you mirror, he is faster than you and etiquette dictates you let him pass. The driver in this video also needs to become comfortable being closer to the slower car. Get five feet off his bumper in the slow corners and let him know you are faster.

[@therrandy2506]

What kind of car are you driving.? Seems very well put together. Good job.

[@ronaldrussell5481]

He finally let you by since that was only way you were going to pass him. He would just come back and dust you on the long straight.

[@kcspeed9980]

At 0:45 where was that mazda 3 going? Haha

[@markbrouk7857]

I seen that! Lmao wtf

[@zlaban93]

junkyard

[@cheese165]

Salt

[@siddheshrane]

I played this track so many times in NFS pro street. Don't remember the name though

[@derfpoloderf]

I really dislike it when people post " typical viper driver or corvette driver," i completed in over 60 HPDE's over the last 8 years and seen this same behavior from drivers in momentum cars. Such as 944's, miata's, and others. When in HPDEs you must be patient, safe, and display tolerance. Very often a momentum car will give me a point by but never lift so i can get by quick and safe. I dont like it but it is part of the experience. Im not going complain to that driver. I like making good ET's to improve my driving skills but we are not racing..... having fun. BTW i drive an Old nascar race car..... not a vette/viper.

[@Van-tastic]

Man I miss this track

[@goobytron2888]

Filmed on a Kodak Super 8?

[@ralphlazio505]

Love the Texas Motor Speedway

[@mustang43058]

What run group were they in? I am assuming not the most advanced based on the lines... Open passing or only certain areas? Was he on him in the areas they allow passing? Why not take a quick stroll through pit in and pit out to create space? A lot of info missing to talking negatively of the Viper.

[@SankofaNYC]

Damn this place looks dangerous

[@peterkater4292]

Boy.. You never had that Viper! You never even had your own car! Double granny shifting like you should 🤣 That's not how we do it in Texas buddy 🇺🇲

[@mattakeet773]

@Peter Kater nice comment bro. You sure told him! Which professional racing team do you drive for? It’s clowns like you that get on here and bash people, yet you are too lame to post your own video. Where’s YOUR car bitch?

[@christophercline6001]

He give you the inside How many times you just never took it then he had to go real high and back out of it to let you by

[@DM-qp7do]

I don't what more the Viper could have done, obviously this car can't hang with it on 80 percent of the track so....

[@vq35de53]

is that an e46 m3?

[@jpecc8314]

0:40 civic went off off

[@ethannicosia979]

0:42 dude just goes off track like nbd

[@MA-lv3kt]

😆 you just can't get him at the straight lol 😂 🤣

[@Biface]

where was the viper? i only saw 3 miatas

[@vipergtsdan1]

Lol! Underrated comment

[@apexkilla]

Viper driver was doing a decent job. Not sure what your gripe is other than maybe him not submitting to your late desperate dive attempts. Seems that was your only chance at ever passing him.

[@bdanielcal4608]

I drove a viper and to a common dude with no track experience it's a handful in the corners very is to lose it .it's a car that with a experienced track driver will lap you all day long so the fact that your car is slow enough to take the turns at max power doesn't make you look better against a viper 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@Nissan370_z]

looks like the new gran turismo 7

[@americanadventureoutdoors4213]

Every one else driving sucks expect me !!

[@zokusharuuku1091]

Guys only on the track so he doesn’t get a speeding ticket when he mashes the gas on the straights. Do ta do ta do in the turns and brakes like he’s in stop and go traffic

[@alsmith7270]

You use the word typical loosely, typical Viper driver would eat your lunch than hand it to you on platter, you are in a very slow momentum machine, just relax and have fun, pass him if you can.

[@peterkater4292]

Exactly. Just another bitter driver in a 4 pot machine, just wetting his pants at a Viper because he hadn't got the skills to overtake it. Your "line" was wide all the way buddy. Stop focusing on the freaking car ahead of you and focus on your own DAMN line! It'll go faster, you'll see. Don't worry 😉

[@kchen101]

@@peterkater4292 as a newer HPDE driver I was always taught to PIT in and let traffic clear rather than try to get a point by. i do not have the skillset to drive a vette on the track, but hopefully one day lmao

[@peterkater4292]

@@kchen101 Skills don't come overnight buddy. Everyone knows that. Hang in there and you'll get there eventually. But slow and progressive is the right way to do it 👍

[@DeadEnduro]

Viper couldn’t drop you and held back on the straight of way to let you pass. I hope you said thank you

[@BluestreakCorollaXRS]

Yes he should; I bet that he did give the Viper a "thank you" wave, which is standard track etiquette. And yes, the Viper driver had to lift to let this driver by, but the Viper also blocked him for way too long before that. When lights appear in your mirror, you should understand how that happens. It's usually a faster driver, so let him by and you can get back to business as usual as he pulls away through the corners. That's a shorter wait than the one he put this guy through.

[@peterkater4292]

@@BluestreakCorollaXRS lights never appeared in that GTS's mirrors though.. That 4 pot guy was way too slow to significantly motivate the Viper's driver to let him pass. Sorry 🙄

[@michaelquigley9719]

Once a smacked in the rear of a Viper because he over slowed way down to do a late apex

[@user-Dr.]

Nah, not typical, typical Viper driver would eat ya and crap ya.

[@djbis]

Typical, as in, *fast!* Very true. ✔️

[@mojojoji5493]

BMW was out pacing him

[@07Z06ss]

That red bmw is so slow loool

[@gunfun44]

The whole track is now Kaput! Sad!

[@Stopsign32v]

Pass him in the straights...Oh wait...

[@charlieryan1736]

Nice run 👍🏻

[@stickboyfpv4742]

he pulled on you I dont get it....?

[@klasseact6663]

I've never been on a track and after reading the pros and cons to what the Viper and camera car did or didn't do confirms why I'd never do a track day! Far too many tools and egos in the way❗️

[@treyquanmooney6655]

Right on

[@alsmith7270]

I don't have that problem, I just pass em, I did this track years ago doing the Cannonball One Lap of America.

[@ej7speed996]

I've seen you commenting on other vids, I bet your racing is pretty badass

[@BluestreakCorollaXRS]

Unless you're running in the wrong groups - the ones that have a frustrating mix of 'point-by required to pass' and 'not enforcing advisory flags'

[@mello.321]

He seems to be having fun while u seem to be complaining. viper wins

[@jetbug5812]

its his fault you dont have passing skills. He would just take it back on he straights

[@andyking9673]

gee, the viper has poor weight distribution and a chassis designed in the 1970's, I wonder why it doesn't handle great

[@ZboeC5]

Literally none of this is true.

[@andyking9673]

@@ZboeC5 Cool. Go race one a report back. They go fast, but only in a straight line, try making one take a 2g turn under power at 30mph.

[@ZboeC5]

@@andyking9673 This kids is why you can't argue with an idiot, they will try to drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

[@andyking9673]

@@ZboeC5 I love it when a guy that drives a Schwinn tells me about race cars. Good times.

[@ZboeC5]

@@andyking9673 You don't know shit, that's the problem.

[@bigboi6201]

Typically fast Dodge Viper, better idea to stay behind em. He would just pass you wide open down the road anyways.

[@alancarriedo7378]

so your mad because he has a faster car?

[@breakmywalletmotorsport]

How do you figure? Caught up to him twice. Sure…he can step on a pedal and go straight much faster and should be much faster than a stock M3 on street tires. He’s sooooo slow in the corners I’m catching him in a stock 333hp M3 with about half the HP.🤣🤣🤣 Yes, you’re typical viper driver. All wallet, no skill.

[@peterkater4292]

@@breakmywalletmotorsport BMW people so full of shit and so just ashamed of how clueless you are. You think you're a big boy ain't you? Go try the Nürburgring you clown 👍🏁

[@American_Cycho]

Typical amateur driver barking about another unskilled driver... Had there been an experienced driver in that Viper, he never would have made this video, or it would have been named, "Guy exceeds track limits... goes into dirt"

[@tagtag-connected5263]

What the actual *** @ 4:06 😁

[@elliotcowell3139]

literally just back off and let him be someone else's problem? Idk

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Apex who? 😅

[@schizobipolarjoe]

Wait no black flag on the viper ? Shit smh

[@user-kh1fjhfshht]

test comments

[@daryllect6659]

0:33 Being passed by an SUV in your Viper has GOT to hurt!

[@damiengvideos4337]

Please define "typical Viper driver"? Damn he left you for dead on the straight LOL! What a crappy course... I have less black tar snake strips on my public roads!

[@davej.6290]

If he's still in front of you - you're not fast enough to pass him …

[@sneeds50]

Looks like you can't drive lol

[@MrJrFish]

That sucks how 1 inconsiderate and/or clueless driver can hold you up and ruin a session. Sure do miss this track, it was fun.