Tyranids vs Tau Empire 2000pts | Warhammer 40k 10th Ed Battle Report Ep52

[@Pokeballer96]

I think this happens a few times, but I will highlight it at 1:45:10. Tau’s “For the greater good” rule modifies BS not Hit rolls. When the broadsides fire at the Exocrine, while they are being guided into the Tyrant, their BS would be worsen by 1. The weapon support system allows you to ignore modifiers to the Hit roll not the BS. So you cannot use it to ignore the penalty from For the greater good.

[@wh40kev98]

Norn Assimilator. Needs to be in Nexus detachment to function. Needs to be in reserves to not get blown off the table. Needs to find a board edge to fit and tee up a charge. Ability to choose his target for rerolls is a lottery. Needs to have the +1 charge doctrine to get a charge bonus. Needs to hit target to get +2 to charge. Needs to roll a 6" charge. Kills 100pts of models. Dies. Costs 310pts for the privilege.

[@deleted4577]

Daily reminder that the Nightbringer is 65 points cheaper than the norn and that the Lion is only 70 points more expensive :)

[@ZeZwede]

@@deleted4577the norns are so overpriced compared to others of their weightclass

[@deleted4577]

@@ZeZwede they're not even in the same weight class is the problem, throw a norn into a c'tan and you better pray you roll real lucky or you've just deleted your 300 point unit It's why I prefer hierodules, like sure they're prone to be focussed down and deleted but anything they touch is gonna get deleted too :D

[@ZeZwede]

@@deleted4577 yeah the points are real weird when it comes to the Norns and comparing it to other things in that point range.

[@91elpiris]

The singular purpose ability is very anti-synergistic with a unit that wants to pop in the right moment into the right target. It's a fail of a design. Now, making it charge into 6 crisis+commander, which have invulnerable saves and 4 wounds each (so your "weak" attacks do not even one shot them), next to the broadside suits.. Is a terrible way of using it. What could have happened other than that? It has T11 16 wounds and 2+ save, but you're throwing it against the most deadly shooting ball in the game. Killing 2 suits was more or less the average without re-rolls. Even if he killed 3-4, he would have still easily died.

[@1331Thief]

You mentioned a pyrovore explodes on 4+, but that was 9th edition, they dont blow up any special way anymore, just a 6

[@1STtriumvirate]

i love seeing Tau on the table! but on the Ghostkeel you have to use the drone to zero an attack before rolling the save for it. just for next time.

[@geraldhabres]

The "reinforced hive node" states that the target is one "Synapse" unit. The screamer has the Synapse rule but NOT the Synapse keyword so he is NOT a Synapse unit. Only units that provide Synapse are Synapse units...

[@andresalegrealanis2869]

I think the bio scream from the screamer killer is actually a D6+3 in number of attacks.

[@jordanpink9211]

Loved this battle report! The tau army is very similar to the list I’ve been running. But I think I finally understand why people like Tyranids man that was fun to watch!

[@blakesmith3477]

So at 26min, there was a question about firing overwatch at the Screamerkiller if it was in engagement range. Overwatch says " just after an enemy unit.... starts or ends a...charge move." So, it doesn't matter what type of unit it is, it should be fine to fire. Anyway, great report! I love the competitive battle reports like this and the Tau. Thank you!

[@stephenfeeney2966]

Agreed

[@landoncrowder995]

Gotta use irresistible will more! It's the best battle tactic we got. Couples really well off the tyrant or malaceptor with exocrine to just blast something. I've taken the Nexus 4-1 before and that Stratagem is where a ton of our damage comes from. Great battle report, glad to finally see you play the Nexus 😊

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

God, Dylan looks like Nic Cage's twin brother!

[@Buck-p1c]

And sounds like Kevin Nealon :)

[@JUST_GAUNT_GET_ENOUGH]

That was an amazing game such a close battle. I appreciate the effort you put into these Craig keep it up man. Btw the neuro tyrant is t8 not t6 it wouldn't have changed the wound roll when he died but it's good to know.

[@dylanschnabel4859]

To the eagle-eyed Tau enjoyers out there: yes, I forgot about the Broadside’s missile drones the entire game. Oops.

[@ryanalbarano6068]

Hey, as a new tau player, I have to ask, how did you get a 24 strength, 12 damage gun, I just got started on tau and wanted to use that weapon lol

[@dylanschnabel4859]

@@ryanalbarano6068 It's the Stormsurge model equipped with the Pulse Blast Cannon. It's very fun to use!

[@m4k4v3liii]

have you already addressed the misplay when you were splitting fire? i did not hear you declare the negative modifier for splitting fire

[@dylanschnabel4859]

@@m4k4v3liii At the time, I believe, I did not realize weapon control systems only affected hit roll modifiers, not ballistic skill modifiers. But yes! That is a good catch!

[@El_ging391]

Great game, hopefully see Dillon back with his tau sometime soon!

[@maelstromgamingstudios5240]

Yes! We'll have him back in the future

[@ianhamer164]

Great report guys. Thank you. Just a small rules point in round 2 on the Tau turn ... The spotter rule states that you use is ability 'when a unit is selected to shoot' which means you should always resolve the spotter unit first (in the case of the broadsides you would have used that strat and shot first), then you can resolve the shooting unit whenever you like.

[@TheDeadnaughty]

No it was played correctly. "Each time you select this unit to shoot .... Until the end of the phase, this unit is considered a Guided unit ". The Guided unit, that gets +1 BS, is the unit you start the ability with. The Observer unit (that normally doesn't get the +1 BS) does not resolve first, or even directly after. It can shoot at any other point after in the shooting phase.

[@ianhamer164]

I think you'll find I am right; in the main rules is specified that you select a unit to shoot and it can only be selected once. Following that the 'For the greater good' rule starts with "Each time you select this unit to shoot, if it is not an Observer unit, it can use this ability. If it does, select one other friendly unit with this ability that is also eligible to shoot (excluding Fortification, Battle-shocked and Observer units). Until the end of the phase, this unit is considered a Guided unit, and that friendly unit is considered an Observer unit. Then select one enemy unit that is visible to both your units to be their Spotted unit." So the ability activates when you select a unit to be the 'observer' and then consequently select another unit to be the 'guided' unit has the 'until the end of the phase' ruling (I see this rule played wrong on most channels so their not alone in it)

[@Luxaierten]

The unit you're shooting/resolving is the guided unit and then you choose a friendly unit to be the observer and choose a target they both can see to be spotted. The wording is confusing since there's all the conditions and renaming.

[@ianhamer164]

I stand corrected. Sorry guys

[@TwitchyMofo]

Should the broadsides been hitting on 3s when they were shooting the big bug tied up with the crisis? Ignoring negative modifiers, and heavy on the rail guns.

[@dylanschnabel4859]

Forgot about heavy

[@TwitchyMofo]

@@dylanschnabel4859so what you meant to say was, yes they should be.

[@melonkris]

I didnt know Nicolas Cage plays WH40K! What a suprise!

[@PrimordialYeti]

Ha ha, I was thinking the same thing

[@cyranus10]

Storm surge also ignores modifiers to hit as standard ability. So bracketing and big guns never tire don't affect it.

[@deleted4577]

Was hoping you'd get some Tau on the channel! They're quintessential 40k in my book, a nice contrast to the imperium look and feel Also lol @ 49:35, I think that sums up the state of tyrranids right now - all that work and planning to stacks buffs and it completely bounces xD AP-2 is a curse this edition :( Incredibly close game though! Both played extremely well, love how close to the wire these bat reps always get :D

[@ryantw4943]

I don’t think you can use reinforced hive node on a Screamer Killer, as it isn’t a Synapse unit which the stratagem requires The neuroloid only means he counts as within Synapse range I hope I’ve misunderstood that though!

[@BLUEBOYISLEDGE]

You're unfortunately right from the wording.

[@maelstromgamingstudios5240]

Oh crap.... You are absolutely right :( Thanks for this catch.

[@ryantw4943]

@@maelstromgamingstudios5240 No worries, wouldn’t have mattered too much for you anyway! Harsh roles there I only noticed writing out the strats for my list ….. swiftly returned back Invasion fleet, 2 Screamer Killers need all the durability help they can get! Great game though, really interesting to see

[@DeathHydraZ]

Wow I read that wrong when brewing up a list myself, thought it was any unit in synapse range...welp may be back to the drawing board on that one.

[@ryantw4943]

@@DeathHydraZI went back to Invasion fleet until I get some more synapse monsters, was a sad moment no lie

[@TeamRedWolf]

When screamer killer hit the guys on the middle object with his shooting they should have taken a battleshook test -1 from result

[@kendalflongbeard2935]

I too actually really like the assimilator in nexus and keep the 5++ on him as long as he keeps standing. I've had him do MASSIVE damage on vehicles if he can get in. For his points cost its a crime he doesn't at least have invul standard, IMO one of the reasons he is sorta useless in any other detachment.

[@rathstar]

Great battle report, and great to see a battle involving the Tau. What did you think of the stormsurge, he's an awful lot of points ? You could have another unit of 3 broadsides snd a skyray for the same points. Are you tempted to reduce the number of cyclic iom blasters on the crisis suits to reduce the amount of hazardous tests ?

[@littlefoot4417]

you dont ever over charge em ever unless you really really want to delete something and even then, the volume of shots (66 in total with the commander if you have 4 on em) jat a 7-1-1 profile is more than enough 90% of the time

[@ccart2343]

Love the T'au paint sheme, is there anywhere (insta or reddit etc.) where I could see more of them, preferably even some colors if I wanted to paint mine in a similar fashion? Also thanks for the great match, loved every second of it

[@maelstromgamingstudios5240]

Unfortunately we've got nothing at the moment and it might be a while until we do.

[@LordBeacon7]

awesome game as always! I am interested in the dimensions of the ruins

[@danielbex2069]

After the overcharge of crisis in the Norn... Why they don't hurting themselves for the fails 1 dice?

[@maelstromgamingstudios5240]

He rolled it, didn't roll any ones...

[@danielbex2069]

@@maelstromgamingstudios5240 really??i didn't notice it,my bad

[@davidcaruana7776]

Can you use reinforced hive node on a screamer killer? As it says a synapse unit and as far as i know, screamer killers dont have synapse

[@jotschnsn]

i was wondering the same ?

[@danielurdanetayepes7157]

Most tournaments are saying that big guns never tire cant be used in overwatch due to this out of phase ruling in the rules commentary…. I think you should be allowed

[@mkulchar]

If it's locked in combat u can't overwatch.

[@Dewoy1]

You should get 2 long skinny tables for each side, so you guys dont have to reach up all the time.

[@TheXasTube]

Claiming cover from a piece of your model that is a non-standard conversion would be seen as cheating in any event. Original GW model hast that gun allmost center on its shoulder so the model is far less spread out :D

[@scolack123]

28:00 Screamer melee is S10 If he was T9 then is should be base 3+ to wound And you said you were +1 to wound So 2+

[@danielb8533]

Good game!

[@newtoncain]

great game

[@PallaDrak]

I thought synaptic nexus was the worst detachment for the Hive tyrant as you can only use one stratagem (-1ap to attacks on synapse unit)?

[@JUST_GAUNT_GET_ENOUGH]

You have 3 battle tactics you can use for synaptic nexus. I know -1 AP, free imperative on one unit, and the wired interaction one that gives you reroll 1s to hit and wound.. Correction +3" to synapse range not fee imperative on one unit

[@PallaDrak]

@JUST_GAUNT_GET_ENOUGH I thought it was ruled at multiple tournaments that you can't use the reroll hits/wounds of 1 as that stratagem requires you to target one friendly and one enemy. As hive tyrant only targets a friendly it can't be used for a stratagem that does both?

[@deleted4577]

@@PallaDrak That ruling is the most brain-dead rules-lawyering thing I've ever heard. It's so obviously intended that you are allowed to use that strat for free. It's rulings like that which makes the competitive scene look like a joke lol

[@PallaDrak]

@deleted4577 unfortunately it's rules as written, makes sense to me. GW erata stated a similar strat for GSC couldn't be used for free and so it seems to translate to irresistible will aswell

[@deleted4577]

Which is why it's such a joke. It's hardly an overpowered strat for a faction that severely lacks in damage and relies on the moon to be in retrograde on the 11th hour of the 16th day in order to use the buffs we do have. And I sincerely doubt that a rule errata designed to target an interaction in one faction was intentionally written to nerf an interaction in a different, already underpowered faction. @@PallaDrak

[@Vichyssoise1000]

2 minutes in. If that's the table and terrain setup, I'm gonna hate this. Is that how tourney terrain is done?? Looks so unnatural.

[@maelstromgamingstudios5240]

This terrain was a little light, we didn't quite have the rest of the ruins done in time for recording and we couldn't move the recording time around.

[@Vichyssoise1000]

@maelstromgamingstudios5240 I think maybe I'm just too spoiled by StrikingScorpions terrain and I spend way too much time and money on money now too.

[@deleted4577]

If you're a fan of narrative games then tournament style terrain always looks depressing as fuck, if you follow Mordian Glory it's one thing he often complains about too, like I understand it's all for balance but it kills the immersion

[@mkulchar]

U u really think that a ranged weapon on hive tryant isnt worth it?

[@DarkMaster2522]

And thats because im bringing Norn … 🎉🥳🎉 Assimilator 😧😭😧😔😔 (My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined)

[@maelstromgamingstudios5240]

The Emissary will be back :)

[@DarkMaster2522]

@@maelstromgamingstudios5240lets goo I absolutely love the norn emissary model and i have recently finished mine so im even more hyped whenever i see it on the battlefield

[@MrJo3H]

Side note about the stealth drones. It states that you can change the damage "after an attack has been allocated." So that happens after he says he's attack you, before any rolls are made

[@yongzhewen7657]

"Allocate Attack: If an attack successfully wounds the target unit, the player controlling the target unit allocates that attack to one model in the target unit, as follows."

[@MrJo3H]

@yongzhewen7657 Okay, so he still has to hit and wound, but it is before he makes his saving throw. In the video, he did it after the saving throw, iirc. But I could be wrong

[@yongzhewen7657]

@@MrJo3H You are correct, before saving throw.