Tyranny, Slavery and Columbia U | Yeonmi Park | EP 172

On this episode of the Jordan Peterson Podcast, Jordan was joined by Yeonmi Park. Yeonmi Park is a North Korean defector and human rights activist trying to shine a light on the atrocities still being committed in North Korea by the current Kim regime. She wrote her experiences into a bestseller, ‘In Order to Live.’ She tells stories of her childhood and escaping to remind the world of how terrible things are for North Koreans.
Jordan and Yeonmi discussed various topics: her escape from North Korea, her slavery in China, and the frustration and disappointment she experienced pursuing a humanities degree at Columbia.
In Order To Live is available at (www.amazon.com/Books-Yeonmi-P...,
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[00:00] Intro
[02:00] Yeonmi's story
[04:30] Information control
[06:00] Eating in North Korea
[08:00] Spring: the season of death when people can't make it to the summer for lack of food
[10:30] Average wage in North Korea; living off grasshoppers
[13:00] Class distinction in North Korea
[15:00] Group guilt
[18:00] What Yeonmi’s parents did to survive
[21:00] When her father started to trade and how she links trade with freedom
[24:30] How Yeonmi’s mother was almost thrown in a prison camp because of her uncle
[29:00] Alone as a child in North Korea: a typical day and week (one of the best clips)
[33:00] What she was eating and where she was getting her food
[36:00] Constantly thinking about food
[41:30] The North Korean prison camp experience
[44:00] Her father's release from the concentration camp
[45:00] What happened to her father when he came back from prison
[48:00] China lights from North Korea
[49:30] Trafficking into china
[50:30] Her time as a sex slave in China
[56:30] Eating enough food to get full for the first time
[58:00] Reuniting with her father and the slave owner
[01:01:30] Selling her mother for food
[01:03:30] Sex chat rooms
[01:05:00] Freedom in South Korea through Christianity
[01:06:30] Christian missionary
[01:11:30] Traveling to Mongolia
[01:14:30] The holding camp in Mongolia
[01:19:00] Being identified as refugees in South Korea
[01:20:00] When she realized what North Korea was
[01:21:00] The relevance of George Orwell's book Animal Farm to her experience of North Korea
[01:23:30] When Yeon Mi started to speak out
[01:27:30] What drove her from the university
[01:34:00] Managing to get into a university in South Korea
[01:35:30] Becoming the North Korean Paris Hilton and studying criminal justice
[01:39:00] Discovering her sister
[01:40:00] Attending Columbia University
[01:44:00] Her time at Columbia University
[01:57:30] What's next for Yeonmi?
Jordan B Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, and the author of the 2021 bestseller Beyond Order, the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life, and Maps of Meaning (see www.jordanbpeterson.com/ #1 for nonfiction in 2018 in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the Netherlands, Brazil and Norway, and slated for translation into 50 languages. Dr. Peterson has appeared on many popular podcasts and shows, including the Joe Rogan Experience 877, 958, 1006, The Rubin Report (12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, Free Speech, Psychology, Gender Pronouns), H3H3 #37, and many more.
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Show Notes: [02:00] Yeonmi's story [04:30] Information Control [06:00] Eating in North Korea [08:00] Spring; the season of death when people can't make it to the summer for food. [10:30] Average wage in North Korea and living off of grasshoppers [13:00] Class distinctions in North Korea [15:00] Group guilts [18:00] What Yeonmi’s parents did to survive. [21:00] When her father started to trade and how she links trade with freedom [24:30] How Yeonmi’s mother was almost thrown in a prison camp because of her uncle [29:00] Being alone as a kid in North Korea typical day and week (one of the best clips [33:00] What she was eating and where she was getting her food. [36:00] Constantly thinking about food [41:30] The North Korean prison camp experience [44:00] Her dad getting out of the concentration camp [45:00] What happened to her father when he came back from prison [48:00] China lights from North Korea [49:30] Trafficking into china [50:30] Her time as a sex slave in China [56:30] Eating enough food to get full for the first time [58:00] Reuniting with her father and the slave owner [01:01:30] Selling her mother for food [01:03:30] Sex chat rooms [01:05:00] Freedom in South Korea through Christianity [01:06:30] Christian missionary [01:11:30] Traveling to Mongolia [01:14:30] The holding camp in Mongolia [01:19:00] Being identified as refugees in South Korea [01:20:00] When she realized what North Korea was. [01:21:00] Why she thought George Orwell's book is relevant to the time she spent in North Korea. [01:23:30] When Yeon Mi started to speak out. [01:27:30] What drove her from the university. [01:34:00] Managing to get into a university in South Korea [01:35:30] Becoming the North Korean Paris Hilton and studying criminal justice. [01:39:00] Discovering her sister [01:40:00] Ending up at Columbia University [01:44:00] Her time at Columbia University [01:57:30] What's next for Yeon Mi?

[@krueppelkind]

Timestamp guy is back!

[@vinceknowseverything]

Very Much Appreciated! 🙏

[@Dabu-Dabu]

The timestamps are super useful. Doc, you're crushing it!

[@RockHudrock]

These time indexes are VERY helpful! Thanks for putting in the work to make it!

[@revisingthescript]

These time stamps are great. And if you put them in the video description they’ll turn into chapters

[@martinm6368]

I've just learned I never had a bad day in my life.

[@anarchy-fk5fr]

Thank you for sharing

[@TheVineOfChristLives]

I think we should not compare ourselves to other’s tragedies. But instead, what I think we need is a broader perspective to know what we are truly capable of.

[@martinm6368]

@@TheVineOfChristLives I agree and her biography certainly wouldn't be useful reference for me in that regard anyway, as I fortunately can't relate to it. Still, taking a glimpse down this dystopian abyss, allows me to view my own problems from a different perspective. I'm grateful for that.

[@TheVineOfChristLives]

@@martinm6368 her story is definitely inspiring of gratitude, but to my mind, there’s something far greater we need to be more than just grateful from her account. If it was anything beyond gratefulness, And don’t get me wrong, I think being grateful is good too Martin. But Perhaps her story really shows we need to champion our own change to overcome the kinds of evil that still exists in the world today? Perhaps?

[@rogerc23]

@@TheVineOfChristLives Just remember every time you hear the Marxist tripe about racism, Islam, critical race theory, social justice, Chinese communism, blm…..that their goal is to bring you to a place where you are eating rats and starving and so are your children. Don’t ever think for a second that this isn’t the goal of the left. It is what they did in Russia, in China, in Ukraine, Cambodia, Vietnam, Yugoslavia and North Korea.

[@YeonmiParkOfficial]

Thank you, Dr. Peterson for caring about the North Korean people and helping me to free my country from a dictator. Thank you everyone for your kind support and heartfelt words ♥️

[@BenryanALS]

So glad you did this Yeonmi :)

[@cheypotier9199]

Much love ❤️ and all the best on your journey.

[@shaulkramer5293]

Thank you for being as brave as you are.

[@rath6599]

Thank you Yeomni for taking the time to do this for us

[@Bastiolo48]

Modern day hero

[@J-Bird88]

She was born in 1993. 5 years younger than me. So the realization that while I was playing Nintendo, listening to CDS, dating, driving, partying with friends, getting married, having kids, having BBQs w family, she had been enduring all of this.

[@juliagulia5823]

Yeah but all of those "things" did what exactly for our benefit?

[@imveryfatalsoo9451]

@@juliagulia5823 😂😂

[@nikemaraje5]

​@@juliagulia5823 they did not traumatize us, that's for sure.

[@GuitarGal-nc8su]

So heartbreaking. Thinking of it that way. I remember all the times being "bored" as a kid.. boredom is a luxury not many kids get around the world

[@girlmiaful]

No words. I’m sobbing. This interview should be shown to every high school student and every college student in America. I’m a grown woman and this taught me more than anything has in the last 20 years. She is changing the world- she has changed mine. Thank you so much for doing this interview. I am so grateful. Beyond grateful.

[@tonimichaud1676]

It absolutely should be taught in schools.

[@staceycook6404]

Amen 🙏

[@hnmbvb4703]

I know. I’m older than her but she’s my role model now!

[@pellaxestorba4836]

Marxist Utopia is North Korea.

[@pellaxestorba4836]

@kyuhotae6410 Good point. I also reacted to some of her non-verbals and a number of other signals my trade has taught me to be wary of. I think there is much truth to her testimony but neither can I shake the reaction my intuition fired off a good number of times during this interview. Like she herself said: ""People are complex."" I would not write it ALL off. Yet, there is some healthy skepticism I will keep about multiple aspects of this testimony. PS There are NO mainstream denominations of Christianity that claim sins can be too great for forgiveness. Certainly not for prostitution. Jesus healed and forgave many prostitutes during his ministry and one of them became the first person to be told the good news of Jesus' resurrection by Jesus himself in the Garden of Gethsemane. According to ALL congregations of standard Biblical Christianity ALL sins are forgiven the sincerely repentant sinner. But to the unrepentant who actively CHOOSE to despise the sacrifice and redemption of God's Son...in other words the sin of rejecting God's forgiveness itself in condemning the mercy of Christ toward his repentant creation, there is no healing of sins and thus they remain. Even blaspheming God's name and blaspheming His Son is forgiven by God to the repentant sinner. But how can one who despises the Holy Spirit when it comes with forgiveness be forgiven? This is what Jesus taught. Perhaps there was a simple misunderstanding on her part and she mistakenly THOUGHT that the missionary said she could not be forgiven? Something does not add up about that part of her story.

[@philipadams5386]

I find the arrogance of Columbia University's lecturers in assuming that they can teach Yeonmi Park about oppression utterly nauseating.

[@Jalide]

That has always been the case for decades. I've listened to lectures and read many instances of Western academics and professors praising the Cultural Revolution and "debunking" Chinese survivor and escapee accounts of the brutality of Maoist China as exaggeration because they claim that they were also there (which is true). Many Western academics went to China during the Cultural Revolution but unlike the ordinary citizen these people were treated as guests by the communists so they get to experience the pageantry and parades and were not shown the reality. This is no different from those Potemkin Villages shown to Western journalists who visited the USSR where the government created villages with prisoners were supposed to live happily and prosperously so these journalists can report back to the West that the anti-communist activists were just crazy paranoid right-wing lunatics and communism wasn't so bad. I apologize for this long reply.

[@MsLickalot70]

Well said

[@tonypage604]

Arrogance doesn't even begin to capture the absurdity of a Columbia University professor lecturing this woman about tyranny....

[@u.martin6917]

Link?

[@intoreality1189]

Yeonmi is the right voice at the right time.

[@chloepatt1661]

When a North Korean defector who has escaped to USA starts to worry about USA’s own freedom..it terrifies me. It should terrify everyone.

[@kyosuke423]

Anger is more useful than terror.

[@dbcoco]

so true

[@Helicopterpilot16]

We are slaves. Though not to such a degree of severity, we still slave under a cookie cutter means to education, work, life and family. All of it needs to have the light shined on it. Given the current state of government dependency for people to make ends meet, how banks own nearly everything. You believing your house or car is yours is just an idea, not truth. It can all be taken at any moment.

[@oda0018]

I'm cuban, every people that lived in a dictatorship can see it clearly where this country is going, we need to stop it, you all must care about politics. Is the only way. Be and activists, even in a soft form.

[@Pheer777]

@@Helicopterpilot16 To be fair, this is a pretty huge exaggeration. Taking out massive loans and credit card debt and then not being able to pay for it is very different from living in a totalitarian regime.

[@videogra5645]

I bow before the reaction of Jordan when he was hearing her story. Many-many people took interview from Yeonmi and nobody shed a tear, and Jordan was the only one who felt her so well that he really started crying. That is the best thing. He is the greatest human being, the example of what we all should be...

[@talbotd27]

People love to mock Jordan for becoming emotional somewhat frequently when he’s doing interviews. But honestly I think he’s just highly empathetic and really feels these people’s pain. He’s seen the broken people coming to his events and telling him how beaten down they are. How could you not become emotional when you’ve seen so many people fight through so much. Yeonmis appearance on Flagrant was a little cringe worthy because she was sitting there talking about some of these horrific things and the guys were sitting there cracking jokes every 5 seconds and talking about her eating rats non stop. This is a million times better interview

[@videogra5645]

@@talbotd27 Who would have made the jokes like that?... horrific...

[@talbotd27]

@@videogra5645 Ethan Klein of H3h3 and Hassan Piker who’s also on that show sometimes. A lot of super far left people just absolutely hate Jordan with a passion because he thinks that the transgender issue has gone too far in the US and Canada. So instead of respectfully disagreeing with him they mock him for his mental health issues and attack his daughter on her intellect and appearance. They’re some of the most vicious people I’ve seen

[@talbotd27]

@@videogra5645 and I used to be a fan of Ethan 😂 But at some point he morphed into this ultra left wing monster

[@thecenterist]

How could you say such a thing? This is not about Jordan, this is about Yeonmi!

[@vatonage1599]

Hearing about her experience at Columbia was such a shame. Our formerly-prestigious institutions are all rotting away.

[@ReBorn0704]

first world problem. people got offended when others hold doors for you

[@studleyjb3172]

​@@ReBorn0704and God forbid, the wrong half-ass pronoun.

[@ralemc1960]

Ivy League education of self absorbed feelings without knowing the importance of humanity for survival of society.

[@shanghaichica]

They are not rotting away. University is a choice. If you don’t like what they are teaching in a class you don’t go to it. It’s that simple. They are having debates in a classroom which are simply that debates and people are acting as if this is what society is doing as a whole.

[@danielv.5988]

@@shanghaichica Ok so what's the alternative choice? Be a truck driver?

[@EastwoodFPS]

When a North Korean defector tells you that things are getting bad in the west LISTEN.

[@MGSVxBreakpoint]

Yeah. When she said she relearned how to self-censor in USA.. I felt that

[@chloepatt1661]

The west can’t hear it cause it’s too busy censoring each other.

[@frankwelch3594]

@@MGSVxBreakpoint I was screaming at the screen! I could feel what she was going to say and damn!, Yep, she said it. Escape North Korea/China/Mongolia slave trade to be muzzled upon entering an American school of higher learning. Just wow!

[@victoneter]

"I thought it was a suicidal civilization" That one got me. How did things get this ridiculously stupid?

[@marilenat.5255]

Indeed!

[@thegodemperorofmankind7yea704]

Jordan, do not stop, you can’t. These voices need to be heard.

[@holyshades6462]

I just burst out laughing at your name. Here we are listening to a serious discussion about the fall of western civilization and Totalitarianism than I see the most dictator or dictators the God Damn Emperor of Man.

[@thegodemperorofmankind7yea704]

Free market good, Xenos and Heretics bad.

[@holyshades6462]

@@thegodemperorofmankind7yea704 Never thought I'd here you say that first part.... but I can get behind it! Praise to The God Emperor!

[@standardissuecommissar210]

Ave Imperator!

[@DrOctoGonapus17]

My buddy just told me a couple weeks ago about warhammer 40k too lol!

[@MaxD.]

As a Reformed Christian, the fact that the missionary told her that she could not be washed clean of her Sin is despicable. It’s great that he was helping them physically but the lack of The Gospel is abominable

[@lorriesardinia5302]

RIGHT!!!! That made me angry.

[@deboramezzavilla6599]

YES! I had the same feeling.

[@alysgrant6732]

But that is Christian's Gospel. "You are born sinful. If you do something evil, or good, it's God's doing or plan, not yours, Etc....Now let's just pray... "

[@dmsviola1]

@@alysgrant6732 You got the first part right. Pretty much all Christian denominations do believe in original sin and that all people are sinners. However, the second part is heavily dependent on who's preaching the gospel. Millions of people ascribe to the Christian faith, so there is no way on God's green earth that we will all believe the same things. So yes, there is a Christian missionary who believes that prostitution is a sin that cannot be cleansed (despite the very popular belief that one of the most prominent female figures in the new testament was formerly a prostitute) and there are Christians who would be deeply disgusted with him telling a victim of rape that she's irredeemable.

[@nellkellino-miller7673]

Like it or not, organised religions have a tendency of attracting people with a lot of shame related to bodily functions. I won't play armchair psychiatrist here, but I've met enough puritanical christians to know it's something to be wary of. That's not to say I'm against spirituality at all, but while many do a lot of good, many missionaries are really just ideologues projecting their own fear and insecurities onto vulnerable people, while hiding behind the image of piety and spiritual purity.

[@jobarry8227]

I'm in awe of her. It's as if it wasn't enough to just survive her nigh impossibly horrific life circumstances, but she turned it into razor sharp observation and wisdom and a continued thirst for knowledge. The fact that she is not jaded by her past and turned cynical by the stupidity of the woke west speaks volumes of the strength of her character. I want my girls to see her story.

[@Rulya-HaShem-Morrigan]

Right. She's an absolutely incredible person.

[@DragonHeartz223]

Dude she lied about a lot of this for money and fame. Her story doesn't add up at all if you look into it. All of us have been lied to.

[@kratos.8151]

Shame it's all lies lmao. Google her wikipedia page.

[@jobarry8227]

@@kratos.8151 Oh no! No wikipedia!! Not the fount of all things absolutely factual and true!! 😱

[@DragonHeartz223]

@@jobarry8227 Wikipedia requires sources or it flags it. I mean she could say literally anything and you'd believe her, cause she's not providing anything to back her story.

[@Arkson]

How do these universities not die of shame when a north Korean defector says her studying there was a waste of time. Is there a bigger insult?

[@neonmonkey1942]

They live in bubbles, They won't even hear about it lol

[@cartrips9263]

Well, as she explained, they rather ridicule and discriminate her than admit they are in the wrong. I fear it's already too late for them.

[@Hercules_the_Great]

There really isn't, I can't believe they said she must still be brainwashed as an answer to her disagreement. The irony!

[@cherriercheung]

They don’t give a shit about us. To those snobs we are not cultured and sophisticated enough to understand their discussion. Our opposing point of view is a sign of lack of cultivation.

[@litchips]

I am sure they understand she's just trying to sell some books and don't take what she's saying personally or literally.

[@chimayinasniffer]

This should be required viewing in American humanities classes.

[@hrogarfyrninga3238]

No one would watch it because it's "triggering"....

[@richardmcmechan7831]

Well we used to read animal farm in school, maybe we could bring that back first? Baby steps

[@archlich4489]

Share Share Share!

[@Lerian_V]

@@hrogarfyrninga3238 They should be forced to watch it at gun point. WTH

[@RoyArrowood]

@@richardmcmechan7831 I was on highschool from '03 to '07. We read it. We read A Brave New World by Huxley too. Huxley seems so prescient now. Soon Orwell may seem the same.

[@marynecharlie2361]

The way this young woman is able to accept life in all of its complexity and pain but without carrying anger and bitterness is fascinating. To see that no one is truly evil, and humanity is just incredibly complicated is a proof of immense emotional intelligence. Her story is the story of life itself, in all of its horror and the jewel that came out of it. She shines so bright on the world ❤✨

[@fionacofield8368]

Well said 👌

[@makilorrain]

Everyone on this planet should watch this and hear her story. This is life changing

[@bootnazz1786]

But not watch blacks talk about Jim crow.

[@pellaxestorba4836]

​@@bootnazz1786 Yes. Amen. Long ago was Jim Crow. North Korea is Crisis Now.

[@Xionkid]

This free interview is better than anything TV has to offer. I'm left speechless by this..

[@wiredgamez9929]

Why tf you dissing TV there some real jarring things on thier if actually took time to look. FOR every video like this They're Literally 1000 shitty ones.

[@DarkEnigma1115]

Just like Michael Knowles' new book! Speechless: Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.

[@JohnDoe-nm5le]

A tragedy of our modern ways.

[@rogerfreeman6787]

That could be because this is so great, or it could be because TV is so horrible. James Corbett calls it dinosaur media because it's basically obsolete.

[@angelinatsotras9136]

Speechless

[@zarahj1295]

When someone from North Korea complains about control of speech in America, we better listen

[@paulemillevasseur7622]

Ya. And the fact that she sees no value in a university education that costs six figures. Oof.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

It's enough to disillusion a man of the fantasy of freedom and democracy.

[@simonheath8701]

That's was my biggest take away, a warning that you are only a few steps away from totalitarian socialism when you higher education system is teaching intolerance. No wonder Peterson was upset.

[@Wamagirii]

Heih! Hands on my head....we better listen indeed

[@coiledsteel8344]

@@paulemillevasseur7622 IF it's NOT STEM, then College IS Wasted! Wake the Fuck up!

[@minhhuunguyen2966]

The pain Dr Peterson felt when Yeonmi couldn't recall any thing that she found impressive when she was at prestigious Columbia University must be so painful that he couldn't hold back his tears. That's is something all educators should be contemplating about the works they are doing with their students.

[@NOBODYNOBODY596]

As a South Korean who is living in U.S, this is very interesting educational video but also very gloomy, it is pure sadness, when Yeonmi talks about his dad became soul-less after the long torture from the prison camp at 45:00 i literally cried with Jordan, I never thought of North Koreans because they are taught to be our primary enemy but after this video my heart got shocked.

[@PatrickSmithAnimation]

That was a life changing interview. What an incredible and strong person she is.

[@ahxjfdjeidd]

100 percent

[@DougMaverickTube]

Yeah and imagine the people who didn’t get out.

[@PeakyBlinders1987]

I agree. I was moved to tears many times by how strong she is.

[@wesman7837]

@@DougMaverickTube or the family members of the ones who escaped. 😢

[@eyeballsushi]

your video POUR 585 is a very good depiction of tyranny, thank you. and i was very affected by this interview as well.

[@GruviFilmMarketing]

The female professor that pulled her to one side over a debate about gender norms and whom ultimately concluded that she was still brainwashed by North Korean culture.... I have no words to describe the level of loathing I felt. I hope she wakes up to the horror of herself one day.

[@tonypage604]

Well said!

[@xrxs1020]

@@tonypage604 I agree, well said. But it should read: ''.....and who ultimately concluded......" Best to all!

[@Tyrfingr]

When people believe in what they talk about without self-reflection and no critical thinking, like puppets.That's how you tell when they are a product of serious and effective propaganda. These people who are going around telling others what the truth is. Reminds me more and more of the description of double-think from Orwells 1984. So much of that book has come true, you could almost think it is sitting somewhere in the higher echelons as some kind of handbook or guide.

[@workworkism]

why the univ is an utter and total waste of EVERYTHING.

[@gregorytoews8316]

That professor, and her colleagues with such views, have voluntarily "brainwashed" themselves to be the new, metaphorical North Korea. To paraphrase the old axiom; we have the ironies we deserve.

[@adrfercho]

I learned two things from this, We take so lightly the concept of oppression and tyranny but we cannot permit it to happen in whatever form it presents.

[@6StimuL84]

But yet it happens under every government because they are ALL by threat, duress and coercion. Unless of course you can name even one that is not?

[@talbotd27]

These are two of the most inspirational people I’ve seen in my life. Dr. Peterson’s compassion and bravery in the face of an oppressive government, Yeonmi’s strength and determination to live and seek a better life. If I could be half the person they are I would be proud

[@paulmuaddib3470]

Well said

[@KiwikimNZ]

I totally agree agree. What an interview, that was one of the most incredibly touching and thought provoking interviews I’ve ever watched. Two powerful and brave people right there, unafraid of speaking the truth.

[@epyonsystem1869]

Top bad she literally lied about everything😂 she never experienced any of these tragedies, yeonmi park has been exposed by other defectors and her own mother🤦‍♂️

[@talbotd27]

@@epyonsystem1869 it’s really sad that you would be such a bitter person that you would attack somebody who has already been through hell. What are you basing these accusations on may I ask?

[@MsFandangopop]

​@@talbotd27 love how it's crickets once you ask for more info 🙃

[@peerhenry]

If a North Korean defector not feeling free in the west isn't the ultimate warning sign, I don't know what is.

[@maintaint3003]

I don't know you, but you used the phrase "ultimate warning sign" and I can't fit that into my map of reality. I feel like you are free to do whatever you want, and so are your neighbors, the police and everybody else. Limiting yourself by weighting the consequences of your actions is just basic intelligence, and the western world is relatively more free, as a whole and for most people, than North Korea indeed. In the future, there will probably be a fully realistic virtual world, where you can be as free as you want, and you can see the value of your freedom from the amount of your viewers, and the feedback that they provide. Before that, the damage from, say 300 million people feeling absolutely free to indulge whatever crosses their mind, seems unbearable. Sorry if this seems condescending, but it's just how I feel. Maybe I missed some kind of joke or a deeper point, so feel free to expand.

[@shakalpb1164]

@@maintaint3003 In Austria´s universities you will fail your Bachelor/Master Degree if you don´t "gender" correctly ! This is not free speech !

[@maintaint3003]

@@shakalpb1164 In Austria, the European country? That's something, but compare that to any North Korean university. Seriously, navigating newspeak is way better than their totalitarian system. Public executions of state enemies, that everybody nearby over the age of twelve has to observe? Nothing's perfect, but that's Hell. I got no love for the ultra-woke, but check out some off-the-radar social medias, bulletin boards and forums mostly, that don't moderate speech. Cesspools of childish obscenities, laden with prejudices, no matter what the subject. If that's freedom, I'll take vanilla.

[@jedidiahwayne9786]

@@maintaint3003 And when the option of vanilla also vanishes? What then?

[@garymccray7822]

@@maintaint3003 I wonder if you actually watched the video? Did you even listen to Yeomi? The fact that she comes from a country ruled by a murderous totalitarian/authoritarian regime and is now saying that here, in America, she is beginning to feel the same dread and fear as she did in N. Korea, allow me to repeat...IN AMERICA...that should scare the ever living fuck out of you. Because it means that she is seeing signs of the same totalitarian/authoritarian regime structure in OUR government. Or at least the beginnings of such a structure. Do you get it yet? The Cuba/Venezuela immigrants and refugees in Florida have been screaming the same warnings for a while now, "Hey guys! We've seen this shit before, we know where this leads! You don't want to do this!" It's why the Democrats lost so much of the Hispanic vote in Florida. You don't peddle Socialism to people who came here fleeing Socialist countries and expect them to vote for you. Half this country had better wake the Hell up, and do it pretty damn quick, or we are all up the proverbial creek with no paddle.

[@BoilingJD]

Yeonmi's crying Jordan's crying I'm crying

[@quackaddict9810]

Samesies

[@michellemitchell5112]

Crying as well

[@ms.s.vincent]

Same

[@nikolaysemin5364]

Google laughs Siri laughs

[@JameBlack]

Timestamps?

[@flamestar7777]

I don't know how I haven't seen this conversation with Dr.Peterson and Yeonmi Park before now, but I am so glad I came across it. What an absolutely insightful and thought provoking discussion to witness. Alot of the issues Yeonmi discussed are even more poignant today in 2024 than ever. Thank you both for letting us all have a chance to see a glimpse of humanity in its rawness. It certainly reached into my soul. God bless you both.

[@spectranwolfinfusion]

I've heard Yeonmi recount the story of the dying man with his insides outside his body twice, and both times her reaction to the words she's speaking breaks my heart. There are no words to describe the resilience of this woman in the most unfathomably horrific situations imaginable. I take solace in the fact that she was spared from that utterly hellish existence.

[@savydude1]

This is possibly the most important video for society at this time.

[@fulltechahead]

wished I could click hundreds of times on this comment

[@insectar1459]

Sounds like it!

[@UserOfTheDay]

Agree 100%.

[@downeybill]

No kidding!

[@hemoglojen]

This brings things full circle & gives us focus.

[@kkfjkf2099]

"Life is a gift. No matter how hard it is, you have to fight for it." - her Father

[@karimnassar7706]

hit me hard... wow

[@traceyreed9167]

So much of this has hit me hard. I have watched her a few times now and this is by far the best space she was able to give her story to the world.

[@neiluscook2283]

How she loved her father-- brought me to tears, and I'm 67 yrs old!

[@geesixnine]

Another argument against abortion

[@adelehall5313]

I cried so hard at that point. She obviously loved her father a lot, I can’t imagine how it felt for her to watch what happened to him

[@doreenfinn1072]

She is so articulate, strong, and she speaks so well about N. Korean's and what she not only went through but what others are going thru and how sad this is for all who are currently still suffering from a tyranny society and how she cares so much about helping others by speaking out about it. This is shocking and sad story. Im glad she wrote this book so she can look back and then turn to look forward and keep surviving and keep moving ahead.. God Bless Yeonmi Park your a pillar of strength.

[@johnfritz7222]

This woman is the definition of a Warrior, what she went through to get the truth out is simply UNREAL, but sadly real.

[@DizKord1600]

“How do you fight to be free when you don’t know you’re a slave?” -Yeonmi Park

[@johnypitman2368]

Mind numbingly brutal existence . Puts a different slant on your own troubles dont it!

[@TomorrowWeLive]

so applicable to us in the West today

[@lukascernauskas3350]

You don't because you don't want it either if you know it :D

[@lyingrenegade3251]

That was so shockingly horrifying to hear in this podcast

[@Pheer777]

The fucked up irony is that American leftists seriously think they're "slaves" to capitalism and apply the same types of quotes and logic to living in a western country.

[@traceyreed9167]

“If you know you are oppressed, you’re not oppressed.” This will stick with me forever.

[@HammyGiblets]

Yes because you know and can say the word. The control of Nth Korea is ( I was going to say mindblowing, but is the opposite ‘mind shrinking’)

[@mtmcas]

That stood out for me too.

[@Typhus-th6ud]

yeah but it makes no sense. Its beyond that its insanely stupid. There are circumstances where that can be the case but most oppressed people know. North Korea and the Soviet Union are 2 examples of people not knowing.

[@Nightxcloud]

Wtf if you know your fat your not fat if you know your being abused your not abused if you know your sick your not sick? Doesnt make since.

[@Khendriix]

Big facts

[@briancrook6564]

Every citizen of a 'western' nation or civilization should look at this testimony and understand how good we have it, how much we take it for granted, and much we have to lose

[@Gaite4354]

Here after Columbia student protest supporting Hamas and terrorism. Columbia has really fallen.

[@nancikuba42]

@Gaite4354 That is so upsetting to watch. I can’t believe this generation has distorted everything they can think of.

[@plmng7294]

"Most people die in the spring because that's when there's no insects and plants." Just ponder on that alone..

[@last1000]

And the fact that so many westerners refer to our socities as inequitable. Sickening.

[@justinwhitsitt7072]

The phrase “they ESCAPED to China “ imagine a world where ending up in China is an escape

[@emillyyelen5169]

well by that logic it would be "better" to kill people in winter...

[@ottersgonewildful]

Right?

[@tylerwhales]

And now the Western Elite are trying to convince in us to eat insects. Foreshadowing?

[@swashingbuckles]

Every single person needs to watch this. Freedom is SO fragile. “I know the price of silence.” Wow. Don’t be silent.

[@daveycrockett6781]

I had VERY mixed emotions watching this; from numbness to anger to extreme sympathy (i.e. weeping like fellow Canadian Jordan). Saying > "don't be silent" > you knocked it out of the ballpark GRANDSLAM. The ole Soviet regime under Stallin started that Korean War testing Truman...Truman dropping the bombs must have been a horrid decision to make w.r.t. Japan BUT, he saved ally lives vs. an Emperor that would push his own country men LIKE HITLER to suicidal bombing. Wherever cruelty and evil rises its devilish head we've a moral duty to snuff it out at all costs. I'd easily choose death then to live as this young lady did likely cuz I grew overly privileged.

[@aakkoin]

But don't blabber stupidly either.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Gunpower-Barrel 'N-Korea'...

[@AlainOgura]

Her grandmother knew what oppression was, but kept silence. Now her grandchildren doesn't know what the word even means. She speaking to me? Us? So, who's speaking up about government's reaction to COVID?

[@ytheyhatethetruth4.095]

We the people don't want to hear the truth. We benefit from slavery.

[@HappyGrannyOf3]

OH MY WORD! I thought my childhood was rough. Not anymore!! It’s all perspective. I can’t even watch this interview more than a few minutes at a time without crying so hard that I can’t hear her words. She is a living miracle.

[@AchinthyaHemachandra]

When Jordan asked Yeonmi how she feels about the west, I expected her to sing praises of the freedom and technology. Instead, she started talking about how they're trying to associate group guilt to people whose ancestors were slave owners, and my heart just sank. It really gives you pause when you see a person from a literal tyranny find things in common with what she experienced and what she's seeing in society today.

[@timpeterson2738]

Perspective from others must be shared.

[@K_-_-_-_K]

What? Your telling me that wrong pronouns isn't real oppression? /s

[@michaelm7]

She seemed to be saying she sees the seeds of dictatorship in the group guilt and censorship seeds that grow into the chains our children will be forced to wear. May enough people wake up and stand for freedom.

[@unacceptablefinnrazelle697]

How can we choose our ancestors?

[@minbari73]

We're also rushing towards the next big us/them: vaxxed/unvaxxed

[@12of15]

Dr. Peterson, you weren't the only one crying at her story.

[@RenataSantos-qw4pz]

I literally had to stop the video because I was crying hard

[@jakejakejakejakejakejake]

😭😭😭 X

[@LittlestLilyPad]

I just came here to remind myself that no matter how terrible I feel, I have a great life where I can eat what and whenever I want. And I never really appreciated how damn amazing that is.

[@antoniomata6322]

The amount of humanity between these two is unimaginable. Calling the end of this video beautiful would be a massive understatement. Thank you Mrs Park and Dr Peterson.

[@coiledsteel8344]

'In Times of Deceit, Telling the Truth IS a Revolutionary Act.' George Orwell

[@TheTibbott]

Never forget that.

[@Feodor1418]

You can quote every page in 1984 on this video.

[@upspine5608]

@@Feodor1418 you can quote every page in 1984 on this day and age

[@svenp6504]

I've gotten used to political correctness as a sort of annoying foolishness, like flat-earthism, but it's interesting to see how absolutely frightening it is to someone who was raised with it in its maximum form. We all need to react that way.

[@AwesomeChapters]

Everyone needs to watch this video. Literally, the whole world should watch.

[@torkel85mal68]

Not New Europe the coutries like Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, Lithuania that were through with this poison. But it was far easier to ridicule this part of World as backward and poor. Now the USA swallow the poison of communism without even a blink. What happened America ?the 90ties and early 2000 were so great for You the land of the Free, American Dream, where is it ? Where is freedom of speech, entrepreneurship. Split by all colors but united by none, talking about equality but not about ambition, responisibilty or work.

[@alismith1618]

She's a grifter. She found a niche market of impressionable young boys. Ohhh look at me, I suffered because of communism. Capitalism good

[@andrewhardy9259]

100%!!!

[@TwennyGeee]

I came on to say precisely the same thing

[@miromurr2746]

@@alismith1618 That’s not a very progressive stance, you know. We heard the same argument in the 80’s from people who didn’t believe that Romanians or Russians were any worse off than the worker victims of capitalism in the West, though they used their right to freedom of speech, protest and go on strike at every opportunity. These blasé besserwissers were very quiet in 1989 when the wall was brought down by the people who’d lived under real life communism. Not that the anti West crowd couldn’t have found out what that was really like if they had wanted to. The evidence was rife. And noone was ever shot by West German guards trying to escape from the West into East Berlin. Perhaps the grifter here is you?

[@yaka2490]

OMG i am disgusted with myself after fighting in gulf war one and tours of bosnia for this shower we call Democracy i am ashamed and this interview has confirmed my fear that we are in a dark place. Thankyou Yeonmi for sharing your journey this has touched me and inspired me and for shining a light on reality and JP for his continued truth telling. My hope is we can get behind a real leader very soon who can put the west back on the right path !

[@lztvlztv6793]

Needs to be a movie about her life if there isn't one already !! I can't complain about anything at all after hearing her. Thank you from 🇬🇧

[@ellacatherine1011]

Hollywood offered her one but rewrote the script into saying something like, “China was her promise-land after escaping”, and she refused. My queen.

[@cakep4271]

When she went to Columbia University she had to learn how to censor herself all over again...this is a problem people.

[@AerysTMD]

It is a tremendous problem. Everything's infused with PC SJW CRT propaganda crap that choosing a class that you can actually learn something from is impossible > 1:58:10 . This is suppose to be one of the top universities & going here now is straight up just wasting large amounts of money.

[@Kurtlane]

I censor myself on KZbin all the time. Very often it's not enough, and what I write gets blocked. I cannot tell people about real events happening now or in recent past because they are too violent or nasty for KZbin.

[@riversj88]

I was a Columbia student at the same time she was and she accurately described the atmosphere. I was told by my University Writing (required class) professor she was going to fail one of my papers because she didn't agree with my thesis, NOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T SUPPORT IT IN MY PAPER. That is, she was going to fail my paper because she disagreed with me.

[@Dryicicles]

I graduated from Columbia while she went there. After leaving, I feel like I can finally speak and be free. I'm so grateful to not be in that hell hole. The education was great because I learned how to speak/write/think better but all of that is directed only towards politically correct stuff. I remember one of my favorite essays to write when I wanted an easy A was what my friends and I called the gender essay. Look at differences between men and women in any topic/book write about inequality, get an automatic A- atleast, god bless their dogma haha

[@jasoncharles8651]

@@riversj88 yep, exactly!

[@haley3730]

She said “I KNEW the price of SILENCE.” Man. That hit hard. Also, “If you KNOW you are oppressed, you are NOT oppressed” What a perspective to hear.

[@dharmani_youtube]

Breakman Radio maybe perhaps in different parts of world but for freeing someone in China or NK, you can't donate to anyone or anything unfortunately except those who want to take down CCP

[@Xx1n5t4ntK1llxX]

@@breakmanradio2530 🙋🏽‍♂️

[@kimryder5551]

She made things really clear. In a way I wouldn't have thought possible ☺️

[@jessicaaitken8858]

I understand from her perspective what she means by “if you know you’re oppressed, you are not oppressed”. But in every broader sense of the term that is categorically untrue. Thinking about POC in America is just one example

[@crispycruiser4654]

POC are not oppressed in America. 65 years of reparations and preferential treatment has fixed that. And then some.

[@dawnbridget65]

Most impactful interview ever!!! Let's be grateful for our smaller problems... I don't think I can call them "problems" anymore. Damn... "God, protect this woman!!!!"

[@HakaiKaien]

This interview is shocking to the core. And illuminating at the same time. I wish too that I had just one professor like Jordan. I don't think I would've dropped university. Twice. Thank you Jordan and thank you Yeonmi. From the bottom of my heart I wish both good health

[@starman5234]

"a room full of books isn't small" What a great quote.

[@komil5446]

It is.

[@rogerc23]

Time stamp ?

[@michaelwright8460]

Amazing quote!!

[@hayatosasaki5826]

@@rogerc23 1:34:08

[@rogerc23]

@@hayatosasaki5826 Thanks mate. Very kind of you.

[@The_Brew_Dog]

I was gonna complain about my day, but it turns out I don’t have any struggles or problems at all after listening to this.

[@patrickeg916]

Did you remember to clean your room for starters? :)

[@ImGairBair]

Seriously. Talk about a reality check.

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

I kindly suggest to watch Phuong DPRK, a lone voice in the dark aspousing the truth about the Korean people's 75-year-long war against America. And read Abrams' book _Immovable Force._ - Adûnâi

[@ceasey0]

Salute !

[@klaudinegarcia8932]

Are you sure you have "zero" problems? Be realistic. Everyone has problems. That's life. I think a better way to go about this should be: We can be grateful and solve our problems at the same time ❤

[@squiminysquoo]

Every American needs to hear this

[@ImGoingSupersonic]

This poor woman. My God. I've been living in a paradise here in America. Which i never really complained but what an eye opener. Its easy to get caught up in 1st world problems. Teared up a few times. All the best for her and her family. ❤️

[@OneTrippin]

This interview should be required watching in high-schools. Not just for the students either....

[@Bebe-en3mn]

I agree 100% with you!

[@CollieChan]

Yup. No doubt. Here in Sweden too.

[@fedea82]

I third that!

[@StixFerryMan]

For the exact reasons you say such a thing, is the real reason why it would be rejected. Mainly coz those who would not want you to know this would do what NK does

[@OneTrippin]

@@StixFerryMan the only way to fight this madness is to tell the truth.

[@JCarpMD]

"A small room with a lot of books, isn't so small" The world is such a better place to have these 2 in it.

[@esterhudson5104]

🥲👍

[@FUNZO1975]

That is a profound statement to say the least. ...we first worlders with all our non-communist controlled lives don't even know how good we have it.

[@terryharnden5510]

@@FUNZO1975 Covid is aiming to ending all of our non-communist controlled lives

[@7777seven7777]

@@terryharnden5510 true

[@SuperDachshund]

All true. Covid is just part of the bigger picture to end personal freedom-to end the individual! What’s next? Beware the Great Reset. Resist!

[@amandaallynj]

This was the most emotional and informative KZbin video I have ever seen. Yeomni’s story is tragic, heartbreaking and beautiful. I can’t wait to read her book! I say beautiful because of what a remarkable young women she is today. She has the courage to speak up even though she is on the “kill list” - she understands the price of silence. Thank you Jordan Peterson for a remarkable interview!

[@theegronk]

She’s lying.

[@TeresaEliz]

@amandaallynj • I agree with you 😢! Wow! Also, I just finished her book and it’s phenomenal. As you said, “life changing” 💯 %. It’s even better if you can alternately read and listen with Audible/Kindle.

[@jaylucas8352]

@thegronk…lemme guess , you’re a wanna be American commie who’s never traveled the world but absorbs social media garbage 24 7? How’s that working out for you? 🤣

[@JA-cg2ox]

This interview sparked emotions in me I thought I never had. Thank you for this emotional roller coaster experience. Now now when ever I feel weak, anxious, or ungrateful. You come to mind and I feel humbled and all negativity goes away. I wish you the best of life because you truly deserve it.

[@rafaelsanson3124]

Never cried this much watching an interview before.

[@Wamagirii]

I kept shaking my head every time she mentioned the regimes' requirement of its citizen...I am overwhelmed that a govt can be this cruel to its citizen... I am from Nairobi, Kenya and truly I am free...

[@faithinjesus7817]

Yeonmi Park saying "I knew the price of silence" should be heard by everyone. This is the best interview I have ever watched.

[@FloridaGirl-]

Agree! Totally!

[@bnc2060]

Same!

[@traceyreed9167]

Yes!

[@francoistombe]

The way today that SJWs want to silence, censor, punish anyone that disagrees with them. The way that nonsense social constructs like Race Theory is preached .. the parallels with N.Korea is scary. How to we bring this rubbish down?

[@PurdueNicole]

I got Yeonmi Park’s second book in the mail yesterday, can’t wait to dive in. Finished this interview this morning on Mothers Day. And I think that your story and you getting to enjoy being a mother today, free while it remains, that we still have hope. And a theme throughout the hours of interviews I’ve watched is that LOVE is where we win. I need to find so much more compassion and love. I quickly am jaded in ways you described when you first moved to New York. I’m getting Jordan’s book next to help me with this per your recommendation at the end 💕 Happy Mothers Day 🌹

[@user-rr7wh6rs2s]

I was recommended by my very dear friend to watch this as I have had a tumultuous life and I found Yeonmi Park to be an incredible human being with impeccable awareness to humanity .The resilience Yeonmi and her mother have is truly astounding...!

[@zee_bee_23]

“If you know you are oppressed, you are not oppressed.” That hit me

[@mikemac7196]

Me too.

[@WXSTANG]

The correct way of saying it is... if you think you are free... you probably aren't. Modern day reality is that most people don't realize how oppressed they are.

[@freedombro6502]

Now and days lefties could sure learn a lesson here

[@anitasmith203]

"If you know you are oppressed, you are not oppressed" hit me too. It's like deception, ppl who are deceived do not know they are.

[@lastridge]

GREAT call-out

[@LostInChinada]

“Tell the Truth. Not because you are brave, but the alternative is worse!” Wow!

[@aestheticaudio6037]

@@vandalayindustries3057 it flapped once.

[@wesleyrm]

Haha that was the first time I heard that too! Never really thought about the long term effect of silence in the face of evil. Yes, it was eye opening for me, even though it is such a common knowledge

[@outsidethebox6886]

Yes this is one of my favorite things he said.

[@mrazik131]

we continue to lie b/c it is more comfortable in the moment!

[@theskyspire]

Tell the truth, not because you are brave, but because you'd be terrified not to.

[@essentiallywise4518]

Thank you Dr. Peterson and Yeonmi! What a fantastic two hours spent learning from both of you. I love learning so much in this segment. This is real life. I am grateful for all of you. This is real hitting every emotion. Deep dialogue. Everyone’s mind is stretched to meditating on what’s been said here. Thank you. Thank you.

[@veronicas.osorno3228]

Thank you Dr. Peterson for expressing outloud what many of us want to say and share. My admiration for you and Yeonmi. What a wonderful human being, both of you 🥰

[@Skeedapeed]

it makes me so upset hearing people who have never watched Jordan Peterson say that he’s an icon of “toxic masculinity”, when this man has shed more genuine, compassionate tears on camera than any other man on KZbin…

[@josephsaafan7838]

Dude they would hate on anyone even if they didn't do anything wrong

[@FriskMeister392]

I was thinking that exact same thing!

[@roryanderson3478]

Preach

[@karajacobs3122]

Amen sister

[@karchata7123]

I agree! I mostly live under a rock but a friend sent this to me so I don’t know who he is but I found him very poignant and you can tell he was feeling the emotion from her story.

[@dikshyamohapatra7798]

The beautiful thing about her is that even after seeing the worst of humankind, she has the courage to say "No one is pure evil." I read her book, a few weeks ago. I don't think I will ever be the same person again.

[@Aryan_editK]

I love her.

[@onwrdandupwrd5303]

The "no-one is pure evil" thing may be true, but I don't think it's for lack of trying.

[@davydbmeyst6554]

this podcast made me buy her book

[@BulldogBoxing]

❤️❤️❤️

[@retpal2302]

Amazing woman. Sad that our institutions are heading down a dark road and some of the most protected individuals in our society are college professors.

[@Cali_Girl1]

Hearing her story, makes me feel so ashamed of myself. I have SO MUCH to be grateful and thankful for; and yet often find myself unhappy and complaining. Thank you for sharing your story, Yeonmi. I pray I never forget it. You've made me realize that I need to make changes in my heart, attitude, perspective and actions. You've planted a seed in me. God Bless You. ❤

[@emybarker20]

Jordan is so strong. I’m so glad when I hear this and I cry, someone like him cries and I know it’s because we are strong. What a horrible experience she’s been through, I’m glad she spoke out

[@tiesiai_per_aplinkui]

Crying shows humanity, I know boys are teached to be strong, but I remember my husband, when he heard that his grandma has brain cancer, he didn't say much, but few tears came down his face. The same I remember in the funereal of my grandpa, my dad wasn't like weaping, but once in a while, some tears fell down his face. And that is nothing to be ashamed of. I think men should be strong, but don't turn away from your own feelings.

[@kateredhead7334]

This is a love story. She credits him with helping to save her soul and he credits her with helping to save his hope. It is so good to know such people exist.

[@michaelchan9874]

That... was a really beautiful way to put it.. Thank you for that.

[@boycottchyna5400]

Indeed.

[@siegpasta]

One might even call it... a symbious relationship.

[@phsiregar]

Very well put. It is beautiful watching both of them.

[@JJayToKlamca]

"So what's next for you?" "I'm on a killing list of Kim Jong-un, so that's that and..." I was going to complain about my day but turns out I'm doing fucking fantastic

[@PozzaPizz]

I'm a king in comparison. Or even better, Im just an honest working person that lives like a king in comparison. More and more I learn that what I have is such a privilege that I shouldn't ever whine.

[@anarchy-fk5fr]

@@PozzaPizz its us, thats going to make the difference in the future Cheers!

[@CaseyDoesIt]

10/10

[@mr_brown5974]

@@PozzaPizz That freedom doesn't come cheap. We must fight to protect it.

[@techguy651]

For the majority of people in the Western World, things have never been easier, cheaper, safer, or better by almost any metric, but people are being told their victims of oppression. Better still, people who’ve never known real violence will teach generations of people that using certain words are equivalent to violence. We are so far removed from our natural survival state that we should collectively be cheering in the streets every damned day!

[@ellacatherine1011]

It is so encouraging to see all these fresh comments!! I first heard about her story about a year and a half to two years ago. Seeing the sudden influx of people finding out about her is an incredibly encouraging thing to be a part of. Dr. Peterson, you’re a true class act. I’m 18, have seen 4 different therapists (not including inpatient/intensive outpatient) and I have to say you truly are a remarkable psychologist. And Yeonmi is still my QUEEN!!!

[@annewrites...8385]

My heart breaks for you, Yeonmi. I am wishing you so much love and peace in your life going forward. And Jordan, your heartbreak over the destruction of academic integrity is so affecting. Thank you for your vulnerability and emotional generosity.

[@tranquillo2741]

This woman is a walking breathing miracle. What a strong and inspiring human. Bless.

[@cyborgchicken3502]

@@adamp108 sooo because she's changed her story a few times and maybe exaggerated or embellished it ( which all human being do by the way when relaying specific life experiences ) does it mean that everything going on in North Korea is just BS and that there is no dictatorship or human suffering on a massive scale? You detractors really baffle me, what are you trying to accomplish here by attempting to discredit her? Because I think you fail to realize that this story she's telling isn't just her story alone, it's the story of millions of other North Koreans living under the Kim dictatorship which have been told by other North Korean defectors about life in that country, which makes majority of what she says true, maybe she could be exaggerating her own personal experiences, but I think when she talks about the system that exists there, the human suffering, the brutality of the Kim dictatorship etc. All that is most definitely true, because all that has been relayed by other defectors as well....I don't know what your deal is, maybe you're one of these woke people who tries to discredit other people who are victims of real oppression because their stories poke holes in your beliefs or maybe you live in such a comfortable and privileged bubble that hearing about oppression and suffering from an actual victim of it is so unfathomable or uncomfortable to you that in order to cope with it you downplay it or accuse the victim of being liar or a fame seeker etc. Either way you and all the other detractors could at least reflect on your own lives before judging someone else.

[@dskipper5144]

There is no such thing as miracles or god. Only the actions, determination and drive of human ingenuity.

[@SlickforceTV]

What an incredible interview. You are both a gift to the world.

[@cshelley5658]

Search this online! Or watch North Korea Uncovered's summary on KZbin "The Strange Tale of Yeonmi Park" A high-profile North Korean defector has harrowing stories to tell. But are they true? .

[@azurezerox8392]

@@cshelley5658 It doesn't seem as though you actually watched this video. or you would understand why the video you mention is a gross misinterpretation. but hey, you could also just keep copy pasting away I guess.

[@Krisevil]

@@cshelley5658 hey there corporate bot

[@w8rh8mmer]

@@cshelley5658 What is your mission?

[@vincents3052]

Indeed, Dr. Jordan Peterson and Yeonmi Park ripped open hearts 'n soul..., with so much tears.

[@nigelpalmer9356]

Such a human conversation. Im still figuring out where i can lend a hand in the betterment of mankind, but i always feel like i get a step closer when i listen thoroughly to Peterson and people like Yeonmi. Real humans. Real conversations. Thank you❤

[@audrahartwig1252]

This is by far the most profound interview I have ever watched. Thank you to both Jordan Peterson and Yeonmi Park. I firmly believe all Americans should watch this.

[@rickotap3859]

"If you know what 'opressed' means, you are not opressed." She lived that and worse, and yet has the incredible strength to consider herself lucky, and instead pittys the state of western education and worrys about the global loss of freedom. I dont even think this can be put into perspective. Wow...

[@steffi0edge]

Such a strong quote.

[@vidard9863]

Or you are being oppressed by those tricking you into believing a perversion of the word oppression... The north Koreans believe they have it good and everyone else in the world is being oppressed by the capitalists.

[@siegpasta]

no, you misunderstood... she doesn't pity us... let me phrase it how it actually is. She escaped hell in a set of events that can only be deemed beyond lucky, some might even call it an act of God. As she finally left the hell of being opressed, she comes to the western world where she learns she has to opress herself in the highest levels of education. The core of the society. Imagine what this does to her. Being at the university was exactly how they forced them back in North Korea to not think, to blindly believe lies, to have guilt by association. all this PC garbage. It's all communist ideology. She realised, that she never truely escaped that hell-hole, but in a spiritual way and because she literally LIVED it... imagine how fucking distraught she must have been at the realisation of "I actually never escaped". Think about that one. I mean, go back and listen that's literally what she said, but with other words.

[@patriciasanderson2171]

@@siegpasta so true, universities are now telling people how they should think. Very very dangerous.

[@vidard9863]

@@siegpasta no, the problem is that she escaped, and is watching her new adopted home choose to become the same kind of nightmare willfully. The terror is not that her current situation is as bad as her former, quite the opposite, but that she has to watch her current situation deteriorate, and yet there is no where else to run. There is no longer a free world to run to. You will know how bad it is, because you will watch them take everything from you, and you have no where else to go.

[@joshuajohnson8216]

It really hit me that after starving under a dictatorship, being sold as a sex slave, torture, and abuse she had to come to a US university to learn to self censor. It struck me how bad things are. I broke down into tears and haven’t been able to recover from the thought.

[@smportis]

Well said.

[@GallumArtemi]

you can do something about it by learning and speaking.

[@JosedeJezeus]

lol

[@billmcdonald180]

Me too. All I could think about was the immense irony and thought, "She's come full circle".

[@laurareale5716]

I know Joshua, it's sad. And people complain about living here where we have FREEDOM! BLESSINGS my friend!

[@ELH603]

I love her so much. Words cant express what I'm feeling listening to her story. It baffles my mind to think theres still people at this very moment going through what she is describing. Ill never complain about my American life ever again. Thank you beautiful soul ❤️ I hope and pray one day the people of North Korea will be free 🙏

[@phyllislovelace8151]

Powerful! Brought me to tears. Congratulations for not allowing everything you've been through to make you become embittered, Ms. Park & thank you Dr Peterson for bringing this interview to us.

[@AANasseh]

“A room full of books isn’t small!” -Jordan Peterson

[@mehranbehbahani3050]

That sentence gave me the chills for 2 minutes straight!

[@mehranbehbahani3050]

@@j_freed very well-said! Couldn't agree more.

[@nehakiran525]

ironically something similar was said by 'joe goldberg' in the netflix show 'you'

[@adamtal7569]

her reply was one of reasons ,like the Paris hilton bit(e.g. i dont rule out the Jesus King of Jews being not sarcastic) the -40 temp story etc that confirms the very strong suspition , that makes makes me doubt the literal truth of what she says.Too coincidental that in this interview ,she said things that appeal)so much, too much ,to his (mostly correct )~ ideas , MY kinda beloved JP -Everyones JP (still recovering- & emotionally vulnerable) G*d bless you JP & y'all

[@AANasseh]

@@adamtal7569 Yeah, the story telling seemed a little contrived at times and the Paris Hilton reference was a big red flag for me. Made me think immediately of a fame obsessed character willing to do anything, including lie and fabricating or exaggerating a story. We do need to see if any of these stories end up objectively falsified or whether third parties can corroborate. It's a heck of a tale though, if verbally true.

[@mohdjunaid787]

"if you know you're oppressed, you're not oppressed." This gave me chills.

[@dehistoriapisciumfish7639]

That’s bullshit though. North Koreans know the system is shit. That’s why they are running. They just can’t say anything about it

[@hailarwotanaz5848]

@@dehistoriapisciumfish7639 Listen to her story, she didn’t escape because she knew the system was shit, it wasn’t for freedom because she didn’t even know what that was She went there because she was starving and hoped to find rice to eat

[@hailarwotanaz5848]

@@dehistoriapisciumfish7639 Ah I see, you’re a leftist

[@dehistoriapisciumfish7639]

​@@hailarwotanaz5848 Okay, I guess they don't know there is anything better then. But people in, say, Syria then? They are pretty oppressed and they run from their country and they know they are. And people from Cuba? They run and usually they know the system is shit. Or idk every single revolution in history was due to people being miserable and revolting because they were oppressed and aware of it. Or millions of other examples. Just a not true quote imo.

[@dehistoriapisciumfish7639]

@@hailarwotanaz5848 Wait, what does that have to do with my comment and how did you come to that conclusion based on my comment?

[@cher7559]

One of the best interviews you've ever done. I'm overwhelmed.

[@jacquelinerodriguez5145]

I've never seen Mr. Peterson so moved before. Thank you for this interview and her testimony.

[@xychoticbreak5198]

I appreciate how JBP is so personally hurt when she told him college was trash. It's a tragedy.

[@Ac-ip5hd]

@Don Pedro That’s because part of how college became trash is a sort of Americanized Prussian mentality between corporatism and fundamentalism that catered to a blue collar tough guy attitude, cutting us out of the humanities and philosophy. Of course intellectual tyrants can take over departments if the citizens think they don’t have to educate themselves and just listen to talk radio and cannot act as a check on intellectuals. When there are real teachers and people of every view giving real classes and actually standing up to the hard left academics, but we let people like Steven Crowder and five minute DESTROYED videos (which do show a real problem) be the only thing going on in academia. This means, by refusing to talk with anyone from academia, or the left, the libertarians, or center, of any serious thought level, we have failed to uplift and bring into the public spotlight anyone who would delegitimize the hard left academics, and therefore helped blow them up into more than they are, so we could get the fight we wanted, and these platform controlling neocons, worst of neoliberalism filtering through the establishment of both parties, and de-evolution into populism won’t have to deal with an educated working class that actually deserves and can demand better.

[@raybans4980]

​@@Ac-ip5hd I don't understand your refference to "corporatism" and (Christian?) "fundamentalism" at Columbia. Perhaps I misunderstand your posting. I'm genuinely curious.

[@Ac-ip5hd]

@@raybans4980 I’m not talking about Columbia, I’m talking about the Prussian school system, then both parties in the progressive era siding with indoctrination from the secular left wing John Dewey types, to the right wing positivist, fundamentalists, and corporatist industry pushing indoctrination and bad education. By catering to the confirmation bias of the working class. As Rockefeller said, “I don’t want thinkers, artists, and philosophers. I want workers.” ( As if it takes twelve years of bad education and disconnection from the humanities to make a worker. It takes the need for money and 3-12 weeks. It takes 12 years to make a permenant servant who can’t engage as a citizen.) What I’m saying is that a century of this has led us to the point that the schools have been taken over by bad intellectuals because we could not engage in the intellectual discussion, and only pretended to. This is part of why there is such a hunger for long form discussion and the broad range of thought JBP brings to the table, and lectures. The left is responsible for much of this, but so is everyone else.

[@carpepoulet4943]

Dr. Peterson has invested the primacy of his life in academia and the University is the physical instantiation of that commitment. It must be akin to learning your grandparents house is a crack den... and that gramps and granny are running it.

[@frankwelch3594]

Columbia was Supposed to be the penacle American university. It's teaching a North Korean escaped slave that she has to use the appropriate pronouns upon "indoctrination" and insure that her speech is politically correct! What did this poor girl escape from/to !?!

[@Dunendil]

When JP calls you kiddo, you know you've made it in life. God bless him for his compassion and her for her courage.

[@adelehall5313]

I completely lost it at that point. my mom came in to my room all concerned to see why I was bawling

[@alinamacmillan3018]

@@adelehall5313 I'm still crying

[@geoffburton822]

She felt it.

[@jhosk]

Such a lovely lady, she is strong, intelligent and appreciates the outcome no matter how horrible life was. Heart breaks for all those in Korea

[@burgerousbabieous]

Fortunately South Korea is safe, its North you have to avoid at all costs

[@suzykeane6171]

Please support this young woman by ordering her books!

[@dhelmassociates]

She calls herself an average person, but she’s one of the biggest heroes for western civilization. God bless her. ♥️

[@catsaresocute650]

Yes, she's definetly not an average person?

[@muddywitch9016]

Yes! She escapes, survives starvation, slavery and looks after her family at the same time when still a teenager. Then gets and education in a quarter of the time than an average western student would. Average? I think not! AMAZING, COURAGOUS, AND A TRUE HEROINE

[@cantoprak7428]

For the world*

[@JC-XL]

It's not that difficult to escape a communist country. The problem when you escape is for your relatives that stay behind and get punished for your escape, can easily end up imprisoned, tortured or even dead!!

[@muddywitch9016]

@@JC-XL Then no one escapes?

[@markaguilera493]

Her conclusion is tragic : she escaped a totalitarian state, settled in a free society only to witness its coming downfall because of people being brainwashed by political correctness and moral grandstanding.

[@LoganLS0]

Marxism always produces tyranny.

[@topdog5252]

It’s a great warning. Truly hope it’s not prophetic

[@dualmass]

I think you may find out your view is not correct, this country, its people, have overcome much worse...Keep the Faith

[@heaven-is-real]

❤❤Yeonmi Park, Doctor Peterson

[@dynahmaranatha2954]

You can fool people that you are a Christian but you can not fool Jesus. True Christians are usually not easily fooled either. They also have compassion and great love for others that is what the gift of God gives us through the Holy Spirit.Not by works, money, fame but the free gift we only must believe. Jesus is the way the truth and the life and that no man comes unto the father except through Jesus Jesus also says you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven unless you are born again

[@travispertson2325]

Ms.Park, you are one of the most courageous beings ever created. Blessings to you 🙏🏼 and Mr Peterson.

[@raigenhuss7030]

This is the first interview of Jordan’s I have watched. I love how open he is with his emotions and his questions are so insightful. Very well done, sir.

[@Mauldify]

Yet the media labels him as a monster, truly sick world we live in 😔

[@raigenhuss7030]

@@Mauldify really? I didn’t know that. I’ll need to look into it

[@redv8214]

"Because I knew the price of silence." What a haunting line. So much fear and truth in one line.

[@jspfromnycgloba]

Jordon Peterson’s tears, the depth of his compassion and intellect brought a flood of tears to my eyes.

[@milindlokhande1470]

yeah, pretty silly...the three of us crying simultaneously.

[@eden12340]

@@milindlokhande1470 Three? I counted four at least.

[@nkley1]

@@eden12340 Five

[@caryaikens2323]

I think it's around 480,000 crying together. Anybody that tries to assign evil to jordan is so obviously malicious.

[@milindlokhande1470]

@@eden12340 I meant while watching the video. I was thinking. you know

[@abakadahealth]

This episode made us all cry Mr Jordan and Ms Park. We acknowledge the hardships undertaken by living and escaping N Korea. You have a purpose ma’am. We pray for you

[@kimbercoleman7089]

Dr. Peterson, with great respect. You are the most empathic person I have ever had the opportunity to view (I first wrote meet, which, I presume is goal). Thank you for allowing me to be able to show my own empathy without others criticizing me when I am in that space.