UAV TECH loses his marbles over Kiss Ultra. Fedorov the facts, plus Jumper T pro internal elrs

[@captainvanover]

Agree with this, betaflight is confusing for average pilots, all the guys arguing betaflight is better have spent so much time learning all the features etc that come out in every update. Kiss just works, and imo flies smoother and better than betaflight, can’t recreate kiss feel in betaflight. At the end of the day I wish guys wouldn’t try and compare betaflight to kiss because they are completely different and until some of these guys actual spend time flying both they won’t understand. Great video!

[@CoppertopFPV]

Totally agree. Bardwell went the wrong way with his titles. It's an entirely different thing and deserves to be tried and judged on its own merits. Thanks for the support. These vids can cause a lot of flack but I felt it had to be said.

[@steezyfpv7620]

Do you still fly betaflight on ya race quads?

[@finleystannard]

Couldn't have said that any better Alex , your the only one out of Bardwell and Mark that has thoroughly flow this fc and are a better pilot over all to comment on the fact it flies better for you and you've got every reason to back your answer up

[@uavtech]

​@@finleystannard uuummmmm don't forget sponsorship guys. F1 --> Radix --> KISS ... There is more to many stories in FPV that folks don't talk about. Once you have a YT channel, you start to learn the underlining businesses of FPV. Hey, here's an idea. Lets get RR to do a video on ULTRA, built the hype, and be the excludive seler in the USA. Sounds like a good busness idea? Probably is till Federov didn't agree to work with RR from the sound of it because wants the board to remain affordable. Bardwell illuded to a bomb droping video from RR a coming Monday that came and past that would show RR is not just BF fans. But that video never came. Huuuuummmmm ALL SPECULATION... so take for a grain of salt [AND I REALLY MEAN THAT!!! -- GRAIN OF SALT], but based on bread crumbs that fall at my feet from time-to-time. Just saying. Fact is Vanover could make Cleanflight, iNAV, or Multi-Wii look amazing. No matter what, when you are good, you are good.

[@finleystannard]

@@uavtech yeah I can agree vannover can make anything fly great, but being able to do that you'll need to know the insides and out of the product to do so. And for him to say the ultra flys better for him then what does that mean? there's less things he needs to take into consideration to make it fly amazing

[@CoppertopFPV]

Few points I forgot in this unscripted vid however this vid sums it up 🤣kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ-ppKObbZmEetE Bardwell was supposed to compare the G4 vs ultra. That meant the osds guis features and of course flight. To date he's made a game of snakes and a video of guess who. Pretty poor, however he may have used the mamba on both the G4 and Ultra so apologies if that is incorrect. Ultra flies better than Fettec G4. It feels quicker and tighter. I didn't go into this as that's my personal opinion. On blheli escs it feels sharper. This video was made because I hate disingenuous people. If you don't like it that's absolutely fine but hating on something you haven't even tried is silly. Currently the Kiss Ultra with its H7 is as cheap as any similar spec betaflight flight controller. It is no longer more expensive Also if youre buying a blheli esc try to get one with an F3 or F4 processor as those will run dshot 2400 not the 1200 used in bardwells vid. After making this video I noticed vanover has made a vid on his impressions. Check it out kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5LCkJeuZpudhrc

[@tehllama42]

If the end result of this is a freestyle showdown between Mark Spatz and yourself, I'm all about it. I think most people underestimate how many excellent pilots are in the BF development stable. Mark is no slouch (although his quiver of moves relies very heavily on stuff that induces propwash and untowards behaviors than it is strictly pleasing to watch)

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@tehllama42 I could outfly him without my specs on after a 12 hour bender. That's not even a question for me. Week on the sticks and that applies to most of the youtubers. Not sure what the point is here tho. There are a million better pilots than little old me but he's not one of them and he might like to spend some time flying kiss first.

[@MouwDown]

So, in your opinion. Kiss flies better based on how it feels for you? I fly kiss. I also fly Betaflight. In all honesty. Betaflight has way more potential than Kiss. Keep It Simple Stupid works good for most. But good isn't what we are talking about. With defaults on FETtec using a 5" Apex frame. It flew quite smooth. Sloppy and loose. But very smooth. Seems adding any significant amount of P term upsets it even when adding D term. Always feels over damped. Reluctant to move into any sort of move. Hard to describe the feeling. I need to watch how I throttle and make sure I'm intentional with my flight paths. Otherwise the flaws will come out of the tune. On the other hand. With BF. It'll do whatever I ask of it. Don't matter how I throttle. Also can tune it to feel like I want. Mark Spatz is right. Kiss is inferior to BF. Mark isn't saying this just based on feeling or because he is a fan boi of sorts. He literally tests it and shows his work with evidence that can be peered reviewed. Nothing disingenuous about him. I have two 5" Kiss quads and several BF quads. BF quads are using what I would consider inferior frames. Guess which quads I fly 9 out of 10 times. Not the Kiss quads. I have a Kiss ultra fc now. From what I gather. A blheli32 esc is fine with it. I'll see if anything new makes it better than the fettec based quad.

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@MouwDown see that's all fair enough. Thats your experience and preference. First one ive heard in a long time to say such a thing but good on you.

[@MouwDown]

@@CoppertopFPV Is the Kiss feel that I hear people reference to, the smoothness? Can you describe what part of Kiss that you like, if possible? For me, the smoothness was the thing I noticed straight away. I think its the variable motor pwm rate in the esc's. But I could be wrong.

[@fishjaeger9486]

Agree 100% to the UAV tech topic. ~ 13:50 this is his fear, so the only "argument haha" he has left is the log story...

[@Alin.Victor]

Absolutely FANTASTIC video! Spot on!

[@liviolucaci]

I use Kiss v1 ,kiss v2 , betaflight old and betaflight 4.3 but the other day when I tried the stock ultra I was impressed … Alexander Fedorov needs respect for the hard work done so thank you Alexander 🙏

[@tehllama42]

Ross - I can understand where you're coming from, but everything you're saying at the @15:30 mark is fantastic... just realize that Mark does most of his testing on Martian-II frames, STILL, with cheap old 2205 motors. Mark flies whatever he feels is objectively best, and setpoint tracking is a valid objective metric (just not the only one). @Coppertop FPV - Understanding a lot more about racing data acquisition and the vagaries of actually setting up racecars, there are tons of reasons why they can't make two chassis perform identically (or have matching damper performance, properly identical aero in disturbed air, etc.), what they're doing is actually much closer to what Mark Spatz is actually looking at. Understanding the combined inputs the drivers are making is WHY they do driver in the loop simulations as part of their end to end car design, and those engineers can immediately understand where a particular driving style ends up exposing deficiencies of their cars (e.g. I'm certain McLaren knows precisely why Danny Ric was not able to work his braking entry behaviors with rear-end stability). The ultimate data for them is a lap time, because that's what matters. In Betaflight, a lot of the development is relying on that same metric (when you have fast guys like Ivan Efimov getting fifth at Pura Vida spec racing), so in the scheme of data validity that is what we're tracking towards. BF is flying objectively better by those metrics. By the time Mark is able to get KISS hardware running OpenLager, he'll be able to show that it actually is flying objectively worse... but hopefully we keep gaining understanding about why KISS still feels fantastically in the air.

[@CoppertopFPV]

All fair comments mate and I hope you realise where I'm coming from. My old buddy from years back was Hamiltons race engineer at McClaren:) Vanover is a hell of a fast and great freestyle pilot and you can see his comments here. I would say though why do you need to strip it down to its bare bones and compare to beta? Just fly beta if that's what you like. Leave kiss to those who enjoy it for what it is. No need to grope the beautiful lady when the beta whore is waiting for you. Alex has politely told him to fuck off and he's not taking the hint. The man's a tool.

[@strattonford2557]

I love the polarizing opinions in this field. Nobody is wrong but everybody contributes those opinion.

[@marconifpv508]

Excellent opinions learnt through experience and well expressed. I don't know who UAV Tech is so I can't comment on that - I'd rather grab my trusty KISS v1 quads and go have some fun than watch one of those videos trying to explain why I shouldn't enjoy it.

[@CoppertopFPV]

Lol perfectly put mate. We need to catch up sometime :)

[@mr-huggy]

Your right it isnt about pids, rates, features or firmware, it's about what you feel comfy and what works with you.

[@djfpv5825]

Fly Whatever Makes You Happy Mate.

[@ClareFPV]

Thanks mate. I feel your pain and enjoyed every word of your testimonial and I agreed that no one should be judged by their set-up, firmware or flight style. Stay safe and keep the videos coming.

[@zfpv7211]

Very well said, my friend!

[@joshuayoung6286]

Thanks for this video. Beautifully said. I had to stop myself at least 10 times from responding to his video. Comments were tribal and disagreements were met with insults.. I love kiss. It’s simple and the community is very supportive. Over half of any problems I’ve posted in facebooks kiss group got a response from Alex himself. A great guy that I feel has earned my business with a great product and that’s why I stick with kiss… I fly betaflight on all my larger rigs that need more filtering and tuning options. And my tiny whoops where kiss don’t market. But I prefer that kiss feel and didn’t like being told my preference wasn’t valid. Thanx again

[@CoppertopFPV]

Kiss is special. Don't try and tell me why it isn't or insult all those who have experienced that. I'll continue to fiddle with beta too cos I love to tinker and fly and it can do things kiss can't. Perfectly said!

[@pgabrieli]

very interesting comments, thanks! just a minor point: at 11m10s you say mr. steele uses a 5S kiss 4-in-1 esc, but according to the latest parts list (which he has in almost all his videos) he's been flying the FETtec 4in1 ESC 45A (which is 6S) since at least january 2021

[@CoppertopFPV]

Ah yes good point. I forgot about that. I rarely watch Mr steele. He's a sore point amongst many fettec users as he did nothing for most of its existence then appeared with the me and Felix routine when the escs smoked his motors and forgot to mention he was using Alex's code. Its like school round here 🤣😉 the truth is kiss was going to die. Flyduino were pulling out due to dev cost and steele switched because he had no option. That's not to say fettec doesn't fly great, just he wasn't interested until he had to be.

[@pgabrieli]

@@CoppertopFPV understood, I was just making the point that you can have a Fettec ESC rated for 6S, that's all. not a recommendation of mr. steele, either.

[@justinslaight]

I've been flying the kiss 25 amp 4in1 and its been great on 6s 1950kv motors. I don't mess with anything, just mount it as is. Perfect

[@CoppertopFPV]

For everyone who does this there's someone who will burn one and then cry that Steele did it. If it works for you and you know what youre doing then that's all that matters.

[@justinslaight]

@@CoppertopFPV I agree, I was one of those guys that could feel the difference between bl_heli32 and kiss so I kept throwing $$ at fettec and finally decided to try kiss esc. But I will say the fettec escs have been good lately. I do try very hard not to crash though 😁😁 Loved your video

[@CrawlersCampRc]

Great video and I totally agree! I'm am totally for this kiss ultra can't wait to switch over. Being that it will work on blheli escs and the configurator looks just more simplified that's what I'm after!! Major props to Alexander for doing this. I mean he is making something we all can use!! That to me is good stuff!! I also am not a data guy. I want to slap it in fly it and and from there if good hey I'm sold!

[@kennykobi]

Hey I would like to comment on this as well. A lot of these people say they're trying to help you and save you money but these developers that promoted 4.3 for so long don't realize how many quads they blew up ruined through their 7 beta firmware's. Along with these developers knowing that the mpu6000 gyro was running low on stock. So all the flight controllers with this boch gyro that runs on a different frequency doesn't even reap the benefits of 4.3. it was a total trial and error at the fpv community's expense. Meanwhile they were saying it was the product and promoted their own. Knowing that they had the correct gyros. Now there's a preset for the frequency change in gyros.

[@markstevensfpv3722]

Top notch video mate 👊 Great to see UAV tech called out on his pettiness and bull!

[@PIXLPUSHRFPV]

I 100 percent agree with all of this

[@pedronhfd6969]

And this is why I love your channel. Great job my friend I agree 100% with you. Well said 👏 UAVtech needs to learn how to fly before he talks.

[@CoppertopFPV]

Thx buddy

[@PIDtoolbox]

19:30 "the data is always flawed...what the data says I should like and what I actually like are two different things". 🤐

[@CoppertopFPV]

I think that's a perfectly reasonable statement. I've been handed perfectly tuned quads and they're lifeless stiff things.

[@PIDtoolbox]

@@CoppertopFPV certainly not “perfectly tuned” by me. If a copter is tuned really well wrt how well it mirrors input and how well it handles propwash the rest is essentially rates. This is what’s hard to match up between firmwares. There is nothing else once a rig is tuned really well. I could tune a kiss rig and Betaflight rig and I’d bet money most people couldn’t tell the difference. people judge firmwares based on defaults or some minor tweaking around that. That’s all it is. Then it generates this nonsense people are getting on with today. It just reflects a poor understanding of pid controllers and a tendency towards confirmation bias

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@PIDtoolbox kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ-ppKObbZmEetE

[@josefdahari]

I love it! Well said brother!

[@meneeringenieur1866]

Oh boy...here comes the revenge video! UAV tech Actually knows what he's talking about.

[@CoppertopFPV]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ-ppKObbZmEetE

[@ghafoorhussain6677]

Amen!!

[@pixelcomet]

wonderful

[@changeagent228]

I'm actually quite tempted by the Ultra but nowhere has them in stock. It has a H7 chip and I wonder if It would flash on a Iflight Beast H7, Kiss don't support that I don't think? 🤔

[@markstevensfpv3722]

Unfortunately only KISS, FETTEC or ULTRA hardware is compatible with KISS firmware at this point. If you’d like to get an ULTRA board, join the discord, details of when and where new batches will be available are released there 😉

[@CoppertopFPV]

As Mark said it can't be flashed anywhere else. I think people need to see it for what it is, a labour of love from someone who loves kiss and hates what fettec have done (or not!) to it. I'm sure as time goes on availability will improve but for now let's just enjoy that's someone is doing something with it. Alexander made a bad move sending it to bardwell imo, as its really for those who love kiss and have supported him. I have one ultra mini and was told to stop being greedy when I asked for another so I'll be waiting with the rest 😉

[@changeagent228]

Ok thanks I will get on the discord and try to snag one there. I plan to make two identical builds one BF and K then make a direct comparison flying alternate each battery. 😄👍🏻

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@changeagent228 if you cant get one you can do the same largely with fettec and the G4. Ultra isn't a magic bullet. Ultra is the better product for its feature list but the g4 can be made to work with blheli just fine and will fly great (personally i would say the difference is pretty small although larger on blheli escs) although take a punt and use the fettec 45amp a spike absorber and build well... and you'll notice a bigger difference. Take the time to fly it over a decent time frame in different conditions and environments, at that point take your beta quad and give it some air time in those same conditions. The difference is massive. Not massive good or bad in a way that's easy to articulate but just so consistent and precise and light... its like you've gained a skill level. That's what happened to me. I didn't want to but once I went back to beta it was largely dead to me. Its been the same for everyone I've ever spoken to in the flesh. But don't blame me if the fettec esc fries 🤣

[@changeagent228]

Will do mate. Yeah no plans to use one of the frytec esc's 🔥😂. I will give the Ultra a fair try and we will see how big of a difference there is. 😄👍🏻

[@Splinterfpv]

This video is why I have always been a huge fan of yours.. straight shooter you are.. I heard through the rumor mill that Alexander has zero intentions of putting Ultra boards in the hands of U.S. retailers. Can you confirm if this rumor has any merit. I'm dying to try these board out. I have been through betaflight, flightone and am currently running Emu only because I don't ever want to run betaflight, at least not the way it sits. Way to over complicated in my opinion and that's coming from someone who's been in the hobby 7 years now... I don't want to spend my days black box logging ( 7 years in a never ran a black box log yet🤔) and fiddling with sliders and all kinds of other toggles and whatnots.. I just wanna RIP!!!

[@CoppertopFPV]

Yeah for now he has no intention to my knowledge but impulserc ship worldwide. Its a labour of love but sadly that means currently it's difficult for most people to get even those who live in the eu and he wont stock in the uk either. Someday perhaps. For now he's concentrating on service and dealing with all the issues of creating something new. I dare say when things settle down he'll open it up. Always glad to get a comment from you mate :)

[@Splinterfpv]

@@CoppertopFPV well I'm determined to get one some how.. I think I'll just camp out on there web sites hitting refresh like a young teen trying to buy Justin Bieber tix🤣🤣 😜😳

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@Splinterfpv lol latest batch arrived today so impulse and dronefactory.de should have them in a week or so I'd guess

[@Splinterfpv]

@@CoppertopFPV oh yeah I'm determined thanks for the heads up. Courious how well your liking the JB qav-s. Thinking bout switching over to that frame from the bqe banger(been flying for 2 years). Bqe has been MIA lately and I need carbon so it may be time for a change... Your input is appreciated. Looking at JB Qav-s or Impulserc Apex. Would like a true x but that trend seems to be going away to keep props out if view for DJI pilots I guess...

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@Splinterfpv it's too fragile. I bought it hoping it would be made of tough stuff for bashing. It isn't and sheds arms like no one's business. Flies a treat tho. Project 399 super g remains the unkillable quad for me

[@Dav2112]

I remember when I first got into FPV, KISS and BF devs got along, KISS gave Betaflight Dshot protocol, I don't ever recall shit flinging like this when I started, well there was the whole FL1/Raceflight stuff that's a whole other story though. I got into this hobby to enjoy flying, not to log my flight data and spend my time deciphering the logs to get perfect setpoint tracking. Honestly can't be fucked with this scientific stuff from UAVTech, he can't accept the fact that other people enjoy flying anything other than Betaflight. Agree with everything you've said here mate.

[@CoppertopFPV]

I agree (in fact I remember you telling me to try kiss and me going im happy with beta 🤣). I suspect most devs do get along - I know some of the beta devs are lovely folk doing what they do to explore the possibilities of things and I admire that. I want to use the end product tho not be one myself and beta seems to demand that these days (or at least to get it flying decent). I watched some Tom smith videos last night after reading these messages for far to long and moving forward my flying and this channel is going to be about fun. Just that sense of exploration and dicking around with like minded people and as I said I don't give a monkeys what they fly, whether they're good or bad, just as long as laughs can be had and flying alone is just fine too as it gives me peace (until I end up in a tree!)

[@Dav2112]

@Coppertop FPV lol yep, I used to tell you to give KISS a try but you were having none of it back then. Between one of my mates and myself we killed 8 of the 24a singles back then, not sure if it was a bad batch, but they would just stop working on the bench or go up in flames after 30 seconds into the pack, but when I moved to v2 and the 32a singles I've not had a single failure with them at all, and my 25a 4in1 is still running along nicely too, but I'm still a 4s guy. I'm honestly done with UAVTech and his constant drivel, I know what I enjoy flying, I've been using KISS since v1 and 24a days and it's just what I prefer to fly, I'm like you in that I have BF quads, still got an FL1 rig but I shelfed it because I can't get it to fly well at all, and I have a FETtec F7 FC and 45a ESC in a build too, so I have experience flying all the popular firmwares and I can't get anything else to feel the same way on the sticks as my KISS setups no matter how much time I spend tinkering with them. My Betaflight setup using the Zeez F7 v2 FC and the Zeez 45a ESC flies great but I spent several days watching videos and following guides, but it's still not the same flight feel as KISS. At the end of the day fly what you want, as long as we're having fun who really cares other than UAVTech?? Do you recall anything like this sort of shit going on when you first started mate?

[@Dav2112]

@@CoppertopFPV forgot to say, but I find myself watching the old FPV videos a lot, it takes me away from all this type of bickering and reminds me why I got into the hobby in the first place, but sometimes opinions have to be made and that's why I made a post on his video.

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@Dav2112 I don't think this kind of uber geek stuff existing. We had people talking P I and D but that was all straight forward enough. Its like they're here to suck the fun out of everything. Can't win or even come to an agreement to disagree. Its placebo effect now apparently 🤣

[@Dav2112]

@@CoppertopFPV yep or other things influence our perception of feel, whatever that means, nobody is influencing me to fly the hardware I enjoy using!!

[@WKfpv]

Watching UAV tech videos are painful for me. I try to give the guy a chance but he always sound entitled and only accept what he's data say. My kiss V2 quad is still the best quad I have ever flown, maybe I don't like the perfect blackboxed beta tuned quad feeling. I totally agree with you.

[@djfpv5825]

Understood. Flat Earthers Fly KISS 🤣

[@CoppertopFPV]

Best comment so far!

[@AponeFPV]

Great video, new sub here, you had me at tit.

[@CoppertopFPV]

🤣

[@JLfpv]

He doesn't argue preference. He argues facts. And fact is betaflight is a better firmware mathematically speaking. Its Simple, betaflight handles setpoint tracking much better than kiss. Period.

[@CoppertopFPV]

But flys worse.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ-ppKObbZmEetE

[@moralboundaries1]

Tbh I would rather buy a product backed by data rather than endorsement by a big KZbinr that talks about something as nebulous as feel. You sound kinda butthurt, name calling and providing little evidence for your claims. Maybe you're upset because the data is coming out that your more expensive gear that makes you feel superior is actually no better. Enjoy your drama vid viewership bump, great for the community.

[@CoppertopFPV]

If you scroll through you'll find I flew beta solely for years. I tried kiss to shut people up. After a while it became my go to as I couldn't replicate the feel in beta. I was responding to someone who HASNT used what he is slamming People buy cars with less pissing around than one of uav techs videos requires. Fly whatever you like but blanket denying something that many people find incredible everyday is just silly. Especially when you don't even use it...

[@moralboundaries1]

@@CoppertopFPV He didn't blanket deny it. He doesn't have some kind of nefarious plan to ruin Alex's project. He's just an engineer looking at the numbers and reporting the findings. We need people like this in our community. You calling him a twat is out of line.

[@gluonfpv419]

@@CoppertopFPV This is similar to what happened with me - I love the open-source aspect of BF and the variety of hardware you can run it on. I really really wanted to prefer BF to KISS (Fettec, in my case). So, I built up a quad with a Fettec F7 and 45A ESC, threw on the Krunked Golden tune and went to fly, hoping to prove to myself that I couldn't feel the difference (I was using the Supafly preset with the master slider pushed up a bit to handle propwash better). Objectively, both fly great but there's something special about KISS that allowed me to push my freestyle harder. Honestly I think there's some confusion from UAVTech about "defaults" - the fact is that no one on KISS flies "defaults" (until Ultra) - everyone just flies the Krunked Golden tune which is the de facto "default". Similarly, no one flies that BF defaults either (although I do agree that the BF defaults probably fly better than the original KISS defaults), so it's dishonest to compare the two. What one should really be comparing is the Krunked Golden (i.e. Ultra defaults) vs the Supafly presets. The way I think about it is: if an end user wanted to do the least tuning to get a good flying freestyle quad, which firmware gets you there fastest. It's obvious that the answer there is KISS, hands down.

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@gluonfpv419 supafly made me some presets yonks ago and I didn't like it although it flew well. Beta has tons of things it is better at than kiss. Whoops etc are much more configurable and that is betas strength- it can be endlessly twiddled and made to work on everything, but when someone says beta flies better on Kiss on a decent 5" freestyle frame I know they haven't tried it. There will be some (blackbird fpv springs to mind) who like it but miss the aggressive tune they like (on F1)and I absolutely get that (although ultra is addressing that). I just scratch my head as the difference is so obvious. To date i have never met someone in the flesh who tried it and said different. As I said I could get free stuff and I still chose to spend my own cash on it. If that doesn't say something I don't know what does. I have absolutely zero benefit in touting kiss. Its less popular has had zero innovation for years prior to ultra and I still used it despite finding steele really annoying 🤣 I did It to prove people wrong and ate my words

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@moralboundaries1 his comments were not that. They were the comments of someone invested in one eco system dissing another and telling jb to not fly around a lengthy list of issues that A) are mostly in his head B) are irrelevent as he hasn't tried the product. I agree I should not have called him a twat and apologised to him in the comments. Give us data by all means but if you start out with a chip on your shoulder your data is rubbish. He's got one now so he'll tear it apart and all you data buffs will be happy. Meanwhile those of us flying it will keep enjoy8ng it and the world will still revolve

[@pirateradioFPV]

Kiss fanboys are as bad as the HDzero groupies are. Anything negative about either of the systems is greeted with fierce defensive fire trying to cause similar EMOTIONAL DAMAGE as the "attackers" comment caused to them. It's idiotic. People don't always want to fly the technically best systems, it's more about the stick feel. Or how else you explain people flying the OG T-lite instead of the radios that cost 10x the money even if they have both. If you've seen any of the test data about the dshot, you can get by even with the dshot600 and the benefits of it over the dshot300 are kinda miniscule, as your ESC will likely always outperform the response capability of your motors.

[@CoppertopFPV]

Obviously haven't watched the video. When he's tried it he can enthrall us with his 'data' 🤣

[@pirateradioFPV]

@@CoppertopFPV Like the copy paste Rosser did? Go buy his superior frames then. UAVtech knows his shit and he will test it.

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@pirateradioFPV eh?

[@pirateradioFPV]

@@CoppertopFPV Mark took a gander at it and the Kiss crowd lost its marbles, whereas Rosser just copy pasted shit without testing it and everyone thinks he's the golden god. Just saying, this hobby has its muppets and Mark ain't one of them. But if you just turn left a lot, it's probably hard to see right.

[@CoppertopFPV]

@@pirateradioFPV lol you can see my review of rossers frame further back. Didn't like it