UBC 2023 Final - DAY 3

[@SurfSkateAdventures]

Backgammon is such a great game. The doubles, gestures of moves, the dramas and flips. Games can be long or short. With both luck and strategy, it's just so much fun.

[@MrQmason]

Indeed...... Chess and Backgammon.... and nice glass of iced tea :)

[@BackgammonGalaxy]

We couldn't agree more ❤

[@billyvonbimble7902]

Thank you for screening this final live. What an experience to see two of the greatest Backagammon minds pitted against each other. Banana Splits Baby x

[@timsullivan4566]

What a thoroughly enjoyable few days - thanks to all the hard work behind the scenes. Much love to all involved ! 👋❤👋❤👋❤

[@jeanwilliams7456]

Congrats to Masayuki Mochizuki! What an unbelievable player. Thanks to BG and the commentators. Great job on the streaming.

[@cuijin]

I'm grateful to all the people who made this possible, but I also want to point out that this year's UBC Final had the least quality and professionalism of all the UBC events. The venue was really bad (compare it to Mochy vs Hideaki, for example), there was a microphone stand blocking the view of the players, there was a lot of background noise, there was this PR problem, the commentators had to whisper because they didn't have a proper space to work... and the list goes on. It's like all was improvised, with last-minute solutions to the challenges of an event of this size and importance. I hope that next year they are more careful with the venue and the organization. Backgammon Galaxy has established itself as the leading backgammon institution in the world, and the quality of their events is always very high, so it's sad to see that this year they were way below their own standards. Having said that, it's a privilege to watch these two monsters facing each other, even if the event was poorly organized.

[@yawn8974]

Thank you all so much! This was a fantastic production, I wish it wasn't over already

[@timsullivan4566]

This championship has seen 4 (yeah, FOUR!) consecutive matches with a score of 7-0!😱

[@GrafSchraube]

I enjoyed the three gamedays a lot, both of them played very well. Also a big shout out to the organisation, the streams and comentatior were great. I´m looking forward to next year. Happy christmas everybody!

[@timsullivan4566]

NGL - I really WANT that beautiful championship cube awarded to the winner - Kudos Mochy!

[@timsullivan4566]

I understand the reason WHY Justin isn't continuously laughing at his own jokes, But without actually HEARING his laugh... ...🤔I still can't be SURE that it's him commentating!

[@JustinNowellPlaysBG]

I died reading this! Hahahahahahahaha

[@timsullivan4566]

@@JustinNowellPlaysBG Thanks for the reply (although, tbh, I was pretty sure that the only thing likely to get a laugh from you OTHER THAN your own jokes... would be a joke ABOUT you laughing at your own jokes. 😆😉

[@denisivanov6106]

Mark is absolutely right to call Mochy the god of backgammon. I just admire his ability to calculate the right move at machine level. Could you, please, ask him to make a video on backgammon mathematics. Im a beginner and i just try to memorise positions, but it seems he counts, calculates. Anyway, absolutely amazing!

[@Bikerz_rule]

Interesting venue with all the toy figures on display. Many congrats to Mochy

[@jabbahutt3697]

It was really interesting to see the evolution of the games during these days (honestly at the beginning I thought Sander would win). I've been playing backgammon for a short time now, and I tend to be very conservative with my moves. Watching both players risk moves that I would not risk at all was very instructive for my own way of playing. If you don't risk, you don't win. Thanks for such great games! And thanks to those who organized everything, very good job!

[@davidd.7410]

I used to face the same challenges when I started playing the game. Sometimes, the best move is the agressive one even though it looks like a risky move.

[@lamestreammedia0]

Come on, Starbucks - where's the "Mochy Matcha Latte" to celebrate this prestigious win?

[@gigigoyette1333]

Would have loved to hear the final comments from the players instead of talking…although i love your commentary. Justin was awesome also…thanks guys and Mate for transcribing.

[@eddieballgame]

Congratulations to Masayuki Mochizuki for a well deserved victory. Sad that this prestigious event did not warrant a more worthy setting.

[@timsullivan4566]

Well, have you ever tried renting a high-end venue in Scandinavia? ($$$ !) 😉

[@eddieballgame]

@@timsullivan4566 Who said anything about a high-end venue?

[@davidd.7410]

Congrats to Mochy ! What a come back after an aweful Day 1. He's trully a champion. So is Sander who played great as well. One suggestion for next year if you don't mind : you guys should interview the players after each day rather than BEFORE the decisive games. Anyway, thanks for sharing these games live, it was super awesome.

[@markbrown6187]

Thanks for the spoiler David 👎🏻

[@mackenzieusher8025]

@@markbrown6187 Don't read KZbin comments before watching.

[@markbrown6187]

Yours was the one underneath the video.

[@mackenzieusher8025]

@@markbrown6187 I'm not the OP, but I understand.

[@thomasrebelo2189]

Mochy is the unflappable champion. Sounds like Sandor went on a bender last night. Is he treating this like a joke. The early lead put him off guard.

[@quandaryisme]

Congrats! Great matches

[@predator8320ify]

unfortunately I couldn't come I was very close only 230 km from Copenhagen but I'm very happy for you Mochy

[@hrrld]

In 200 years these matches will be re-analyzed with better neural net weights and the outcome could definitely be different. Win/Lose matters not that much --- The truly great thing here is the competition between two of the best we know in the game. So beautiful and fun. Long live Sander, Mochi, and the UBC (!) Thank you to everyone involved.

[@hrrld]

@@Joa8n there are comparisons of the various engines around. XG on three ply is already very very hard to beat. I don’t hate pr, I just want to see error bars on the equity estimates. If a pr point is decided by ~0.1 after ++ analysis, then how confident are we in that determination? 😀

[@timsullivan4566]

Was it that Sander needed less beer...? (🤔...or MORE beer?)

[@MrQmason]

Awesome Backgammon board !!!!

[@predator8320ify]

Mochu You are number one in the world you are the KING of backgammon ❤

[@111111TURBO]

God Of Backgammon MOCHY

[@MD-qt1of]

At the end of the day, its all about winning. Perhaps a consideration can be made that per match there are three points up for grabs. Two points for winning, and one point for lowest PR. There's something strange knowing that you could lose every single game, and still be the world champion by always having the lower PR.

[@BackgammonGalaxy]

The game of backgammon is both skill and luck, therefore it makes most sense to have 1 point for win and 1 point for PR win. You can argue that it's equally as strange for a player to win even though he played worse than his opponent.

[@MD-qt1of]

@@BackgammonGalaxy Thanks for responding! I don't think your scenario is strange to the human mind, which are the people playing and watching, as like you said, luck is an accepted factor of the game. Having equal emphasis on PR and winning ultimately makes the game about playing "right", but it's a human playing against a human, not against a computer, and there's other factors too like the opponents play style, their skill level, emotion, the swing of the match, time left on the clock etc that a computer will never understand. They are trying to win against a fellow human, not a computer, and I think this should be taken into account. Otherwise it quickly becomes not about winning against a human, but about winning against an invisible bot. Who cares at that stage who the opponent is? Just the fact that the PR can change depending on the analysis level proves this further. Can a human really see x number of moves ahead with so many dice roll options? How many moves ahead is the most "humane"? This is just my opinion and obviously I don't know best, but it wasn't a very fun watch near the end knowing that winning x number of games isn't enough. Let's not forget at its core it's all about winning, and that's how the majority of the world will always play. Imagine it is a boxing match. Technically a computer in the future can analyse the exact moment every dodge, every punch, every step is made, and whether it was optimal or not, but who cares if the opponent is knocked out :) PR is a great touch for sure, and adds a further layer, but you are already playing so many matches, and isn't the whole point of that to eliminate luck? Can I really get lucky enough to beat Mochy in a 3 day marathon?! I genuinely believe as an intermediate level player that a 2 to 1 skew towards winning will increase the excitement of the matches and make it more real. That way you can't win a tournament by winning no games, but it will factor in for enough luck (and keep in mind it's a 3 day marathon!) that no human can surely feel hard done by. I think this would be interesting to discuss perhaps in a video. Please keep this as human v human, and not human v bot.

[@BackgammonGalaxy]

It's about winning and it will always be about winning, not matter what the structure is.Both players do what they can to maximise their winning chances by trying to win both the match and the PR. There's a nice saying: "You don't play against your opponent. You play against yourself". The game is about making the best possible move to maximise your winning chances - and this becomes even more apparent in our UBC tournament. Humans have always strived to be the best they can ever be, and so when we actually know what the best possible moves are, of course we strive to make them. When you think about it, it's not playing against an invisible bot, it's playing against yourself and your ability to do all the necessary calculations at the right time. It's also about not letting your opponent or surroundings distract you and cause you to miscalculate. And it's about your body and mind being in balance so you can perform 100%. So in conclusion, we do not agree with you at all that the UBC format is a play against an invisible bot. @@MD-qt1of

[@illichniko4628]

Hello! Please give the postal address of the Backgammon store in Copenhagen

[@mohammadyazdani3190]

hi who can help me about the program for live stream like this video i can't find how to open XG on the OBS thanks a lot

[@BackgammonGalaxy]

We have made this stream template manually.

[@rbpompeu1]

"Cashew" Void board!

[@BackgammonGalaxy]

Cassio

[@itsmejp75]

Was their prize money? or just the title and trophy cube?

[@BackgammonGalaxy]

Trophy and title.

[@aloysbahos5754]

2:27:50

[@dumduma]

♥️

[@AlexRobin78]

When does the match start?

[@BackgammonGalaxy]

What do you mean? :-)

[@AlexRobin78]

​@@BackgammonGalaxyI just don't want to have the match spoiled ❤

[@BackgammonGalaxy]

Match 9 starts at 00:25:04@@AlexRobin78

[@msudlp]

Who did interview after contest was over?

[@neilwaldock6272]

She doesn't know much about bg, calling matches games.

[@jeroenkoster8350]

I will train a young bright spark for free, no self promo on how good your app or your status is

[@timsullivan4566]

If there were serious $$ at stake, there's no way players would be within visual or aural range of the transcriber (who, BTW, has done an outstanding job!)

[@aliefradilbaz]

Why do you guys always root for Mochy?

[@jimbosaul3996]

b/c es the absolute best. a beast. he's as good as the machine every single move @!! its astonishing ! he's the only Super Grandmaster. so why NOT support him ????

[@aliefradilbaz]

@@jimbosaul3996 You are a beast as long as dice allow you to be. I am not denying the knowledge of the game is necessary, but you are a beast with favorable dice.

[@jimbosaul3996]

@@aliefradilbaz NO ! he's a beast not for getting lucky dice. anyone can get lucky dice. or not !@ he's a beast b/c of his A1 near perfect analysis. Every. Single. Time @! didn't you notice he picks the exact top 2 computer moves every time?? he knows the exact top move instantly. tries out and looks at the 2nd move first, only to see if it makes sense, then reverts to the computers first pick & plays that. nearly every time. its amazing ! thats why hes the only Super Grandmaster. and...... a BEAST !

[@mackenzieusher8025]

How was Marc rooting for Mochy? He sounded downright disappointed when Sander lost.

[@thamiosmgtow3678]

​@@aliefradilbaz based 3rd world opinion.

[@gorkemguney5046]

Danimarkalı oyuncu çok yanlış oynuyor mochy afetmez

[@joebazooks]

i played mochy in a match online back in the day. had a better PR than him but lost one game and thus the match even tho i outrolled him that game cuz i got super nervous playing in front of a bunch of spectators xD that was years and years ago so i know mochys been playing to PR since at least then which explains his much better PR rating. no clue how other top players make so many mistakes, even slight mistakes, so often :/ mochy is top notch tho

[@user-yk4hb4ix6r]

Moves ten times pipes before take a choise of right(hello mochy) way is very toxic

[@jimbosaul3996]

perhaps if you did, you might be a good player ! doubt mochi will listen to your dribble !

[@user-yk4hb4ix6r]

@@jimbosaul3996 thanks)) if i not a player in all, its seems similar anyway)) u will move you pips in might,like chessmasters do,if you dont want looks toxic,

[@jimbosaul3996]

@@user-yk4hb4ix6rperhaps backgammon isn't for you. stick to chess. if you want to play BG like a grandmaster, you play the way Mochi does. obviously

[@user-yk4hb4ix6r]

@@jimbosaul3996 look on Sanders face,when he wait 4 this "big desicions",))And your thinkink about my players guality -its so funny,but it wrong point of discussion))

[@thamiosmgtow3678]

Oh, such a strong take about someone a TOXIC lmfao... I am breathing! Seems toxic. gtfoh

[@gadabautwoczkij2066]

Hehehe, if anyone would want to start play , after watching this, will only laugh. WTF is this venue, WTF is the main prize. It looks like a village meeting. And the interviews at the end - amatures