UBCO 2x2 - Electric Bike Workhorse | Review

[@hodad200]

I don’t know why you did 25 mins on this thing but I thoroughly enjoyed it

[@TheHooniverse]

i don't know either... but glad you enjoyed it!

[@UbcoBikes]

Thanks for the review -- the new GenX5 has significantly improved hill climbing (faster & more powerful) and is a better ride overall. Hope you can try it one day!

[@IAMSatisfied]

@@GDM1787 Dean, PLEASE, go into production and make what you're talking about at the price point you're talking... and let me know when you go to market. 🤣

[@hemaccabe4292]

I liked you doing it more than “someone who knows what they’re doing” because that makes you a better surrogate for us and what our experience on the thing would be. At the same time, I wish you did have all day so we could see what you went through to get to the top. Would have made a compelling video.

[@sportiquescootersboulder]

The model reviewed is the 2018 model. The newest version, 2021 models have big improvements for climbing and distance. Better torque and motor cooling, better switches, keyless fob, adjustable regen, better waterproofing, larger battery capacity options, stronger frame reinforcements and more. The bike is a mule.And the battery can be used as an external powersource to run or charge other DC equipment in the field. Sure it's not a motorcycle, it's not intended to be. It's a tool for everyday use, any time of the year, anywhere. Snow, sand or street.

[@TheHooniverse]

This is a long one, I don't know how I let it go that long but I felt like the stuff I kept in at least makes sense for what I'm trying to convey as it pertains to this bike. I used it in a manner in which it's not designed. In all other cases, it performed great.

[@bfarm44]

On a motorcycle the front brake is on the right side the left would be the clutch but without the need for one the rear brake is on the left. Mountain bikes are the reverse of the norm

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

In many European countries bicycles they have the front break on the left and the rear on the right..but M Cycles follow the standard layout.. this has rear left front right.. some millitary bikes have left hand throttles or foot throttles.. so a rider can shoot right handed 😬

[@LookoutLance]

In AOTEAROA (or New Zealand ) the brakes are on the left side for rear brake on bicycles . This was probably because we ride and drive on the left side of the road.

[@ricklp10]

They are probably mirroring motorcycle brakes with the front brake being on the right side.

[@unSTEVOED]

It’s a New Zealand thing - front breaks on right Rear breaks on left

[@ywoolf1587]

Standard motorcycle set up world wide, front brake on the right, clutch lever on the left. Ya get use to any changes real quick.

[@ywoolf1587]

Great review, i have been looking for up hill testing before i buy. I understand the newer gen bikes are addressing that issue.

[@michaelkemp2439]

Front Brake always on the Right on dirt bikes with a left clutch... Std. In The Price of the ROKON.....the other 2x2 Shootout?

[@geebee341]

i was thinking about about buying one but not now. I'll stick to my Anando M100 mid drive 10 speed. At least with pedal assist i can get up those big hills, here its all motor. Thanks for this.

[@swnorcraft7971]

Thanks for the uphill test... That told me what I wanted to know. I'm 150lbs and I know if I loaded the Ubco with camping gear and went up some single track trails I like, the Ubco would not be happy. For me, the Rokon is the better choice for what I want out of a 2X2 utility bike.

[@mkmsphere3800]

Love this this is now in my list of dream future bike

[@Patrick-te1sc]

The brakes on opposite sides than you're used to is common in parts of Europe and presumably also NZ. I know in the UK bikes usually ship with them switched opposite of what we are used to in the US.

[@bfarm44]

All motorcycles are set up this way and so was this it’s not a Europe vs USA thing the front brake is universally on the right

[@unSTEVOED]

@@bfarm44 on push bikes / mountain bikes in New Zealand the front breaks are on the right and rear on the left

[@ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow]

Here's an idea how about rigging up some improvised air scoops with some funnels or plastic bottle tops? I had a Volkswagen Rabbit that the starter would get hot on the highway and when you stop for gas it would refuse to start until the engine cooled off... Solved it with some corrugated metal pipe and a funnel and some tie wire to make a scoop to blow air over the starter and solenoid... anyway in this case I'm picturing some kind of Outrigger intake system looking thing that just blows air over the motors without getting tangled up in the spokes? With today's zip-tied technology and Gorilla Glue duct tape how can you go wrong?

[@johnnyboy1586]

I am from NZ and brake setup here on mtb and road bikes has always been right side-front left-rear

[@DanielLopes-jt8yl]

The bike has gone a radical slim down in design then when it first came out. It’s been commercialized is what I think. I remember seeing the bike when it was initially presented with story line Australia. The bike was beefier and was going through paces in the outback with ranch scene etc. It was marketed for rancher’s as you said. This bike is going to the e-bike commercial rider market. The Tektro brakes is a bad sign. To be clear at $7000. this bike should climb that hill. Again at $7000. a pop the bike should have climbed that hill.

[@zoomx2bob]

The brake levers are opposite because they drive/ride on the opposite side of the road allowing you to signal a turn while grabbing the rear brake.

[@bfarm44]

Wrong it’s set up like every motorcycle ever

[@swnorcraft7971]

@@bfarm44 Agreed.

[@raydreamer7566]

It sounds like these motors need a cooling fin on them like an aluminum bolt on disk brake disk just for added cooling so it does not rely on an almost shutdown mode to protect the motors from overheat ...

[@peterwilliamson4296]

The ability for e motorcycles to climb hills is key for them to be useful in most towns. Its hard to know how steep the hill is on this clip.

[@peterwrench4416]

Yeah looked to buy one for my work, unfortunately it involves a lot of hilly country. To be fair the Ubco Rep was straight up about it not being that effective on the steep stuff. I'll have to check out the very latest generation to see if they've improved in that area.

[@Propelled]

If it’s not good on steep stuff, why the expense and extra power drain of the front wheel drive?

[@jeffdmax]

I've had one for close to 2 yrs now and also a little bummed with climbing performance but overall like it lots. I have a KTM 300 for serious stuff. I have a little property and its constantly in use. I find it great for slow speed balance/trials type stuff

[@ALMX5DP]

Kinda sounds like it needs gears. My mid-drive e-bike was great (when I still had a rear cassette) for climbing hills even with it's peak 14-1500w output. I went to a straight single speed setup since most of my travel is around town or not across overly hilly areas.

[@dansloss2566]

"It's weird how it's faster going down...", haha.

[@healingbrain]

this is exactly what i wanted to know, thanks!

[@damiensutton1057]

Yeah it is a down under thing that’s where our front brake is

[@ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow]

Pedal-assist is where it's at... And makes better sense with electric vehicles... Even the Sur Ron has its limits in hill climbing

[@ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow]

2 Motors is more about not getting stuck... and that's where the advantages stop

[@andrewhall703]

Two motors is more about overcoming the torque limits from hub motors. Imagine having one of these motors instead of two. You wouldn't have enough torque to do anything except cruise around town. Motor power is torque x speed. A hub motor has to spin slowly to produce reasonable wheel speeds. Since the motor can't have speed, it therefore must be physically big and pull big current to produce torque. These UBCO hubs have a 5:1 gear reduction inside but that's not enough. Having this much hub weight in the wheels is already punishing for the suspension and for the rider. A small 4kW motor spinning at 6000RPM mounted on the frame geared down 20:1 is smaller and lighter while delivering more torque to the wheel. Remember that FWD only helps when there is enough weight on the wheel for it not to spin. This isn't the case when you're climbing a steep hill. Therefore 2WD is more useful for mud and snow... but in those conditions your range is going to suffer significantly. This is also why an electric Rokon doesn't make much sense. UBCO probably reverses up a hill better than any other motorcycle though.😆

[@AurelienCarnoy]

Great subject. Is there reliable 2x2 kit to mount on a mountain bike?

[@mariorjcorbin]

Anyone know why this isn't available in Canada? If we get the Sur Ron, I can't fathom why we don't get this?

[@PhiTonics]

I'd be curious how this bike dose compaired the Cake Osä, similar price.

[@Danny_Elite]

Like how the bike looks, very cool. I'm into shopping around for some great bike tires and want to know what type are those? And are there any other ones that you could recommend that's similar or better that's able to handle those type of dirt roads terrans and city streets also?

[@OliverPickard]

Why is Jeff wearing that much protection......... 30mph! fair enough

[@TheHooniverse]

Honestly, I just need more excuses to wear that helmet.

[@greerdaniels4096]

What is that clicking sound? I heard it on another UBCO video?

[@Hipporider]

Icy pole sticks, to make it sound cool! 😋🇦🇺

[@wtfchazpwnt]

You look like Ted from the show Mad Men

[@blueschild61]

Can you not turn the headlight off?

[@damiensutton1057]

It looks rough how’s the suspension

[@baddriversofcolga]

The price does seem a bit high to me. I could see $3-4k, but not much more than that.

[@Propelled]

I kind of agree. A top of the line washer and dryer or refrigerator as a comparison of material cost, supply chain needs etc.

[@hemaccabe4292]

I bet if someone here in the States made something like that, would cost half as much.

[@ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow]

It's an exponential curve so... The slower the better with electric

[@smash7777-]

Seems really underpowered, or restricted because or the heat. For 7k you’d be better of with a MTB that does the same as that and will climb loads more??

[@MichaelJHathaway]

"I wish I could tell it to not be a bitch" - LOL

[@ALMX5DP]

I mean though, is a Grom or Trail 125 that much different in their intended purpose or ability? Maybe if you want to sneak up on said sheep I suppose, lol.

[@TheHooniverse]

Grom I'd argue no, but the Trail 125 is definitely cool. But it might be nice to not mess with gas/oil and run quieter around your property. Trail 125 *is* cool though, for sure.

[@hemaccabe4292]

I weigh 1.5 you. If I would spend $7k for this thing I would want to be able to go up a hill.

[@hemaccabe4292]

You hoonigan! :)

[@ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow]

Sure if you can write it off on your taxes it would be a cool investment

[@thatsoundsaboutright7483]

Me: enjoying the video🤗 Me, after checking the 💲: Profanity. Checks 💲again, more profanity. Goes back to video. Unsubscribes and erased KZbin app from 📱 😳

[@conspicuoustraverser7375]

I'm here

[@Nostrildomus]

Nice helmet . . . LOL . * * * * * C O O L * * * * *

[@Papa-ur3ju]

Bring it to India

[@46inchwoody]

At that price, I'll stick with a Honda CT110.

[@Hipporider]

Petrol powered Rokon looking better, eh

[@ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow]

Somebody really does need to solve the problem about cooling electric motors and maintaining water resistance... they are water resistant how about just spraying them with water periodically? Evaporation

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

Seems weird that such a utilitarian bike is so under-powered. The sur ron while being a lot cheaper will crap all over it, but it doesn't have the same ability to transport stuff with regards to trays etc, but then again the UBCO wouldn't be able to handle much load anyway.. yeah it is cool and all, but not really practical for anything other than traveling in flat cities.

[@hemaccabe4292]

I would recommend closing your truck door.

[@rudylopez239]

For tHa kind price I can buy one Honda rukas pand Honda ct125

[@petefinnegan3873]

has heating issues one I tried died early

[@BobRooney290]

it's a $7000 bike? LOL, they cant be serious! might as well buy a car. and why is it so heavy? with that price point, the frame should have been carbon fiber.

[@rudylopez239]

The bike it's way overpriced with 855 2:44

[@davidfultz6483]

When all is said and done , $7000.00???? UBCO can go fly a kite. For $7k I can buy a brand new Honda xr650l that will not only go uphill but has more range and will hit 100 mph.

[@Propelled]

Or a CT125 for $4k.

[@JJ38255]

Doesn't even have pedals so it is basically just an overpriced electric motorcycle. Not a bike.

[@jefffaudree4141]

at 7k, no thanks, will stick to the real workhorses....