I Downgraded To The RTX 4070 & I Don't Regret It

► Big thanks to Micro Center for sponsoring today's video!
New Customer Exclusive - Free 256GB SSD: micro.center/sd7
Save $800 on the PowerSpec G439 Pre-Built PC: micro.center/4...
Shop Micro Center’s GPU’s: micro.center/9r4
Build Your PC With Micro Center’s PC Builder: micro.center/vjq
Check Out the Special Offers for the new Indianapolis Store: micro.center/z53
► Parts List
► CPU: bit.ly/3nakP0i
► Cooler: bit.ly/3LyP4HD
► Mobo: bit.ly/44eMfmC
► SSD: bit.ly/3HmuCXQ
► RAM: bit.ly/41MqJUi
► PSU: bit.ly/425XFqF
► Case: bit.ly/44erRSz
► GPU: bit.ly/3VlF0Fm
► Follow me on Twitch - / ufdisciple
► Join Our Discord: / discord
► Support Us on Floatplane: www.floatplane...
► Support Us on Patreon: / ufdtech
► Twitter - / ufdisciple
► Facebook - / ufdtech
► Instagram - / ufd_tech
► Reddit - / ufdtech
Presenter: Brett Sticklemonster
Videographer: Brett Sticklemonster
Editor: Catlin Stevenson
Thumbnail Designer: Reece Hill

[@UFDTech]

► Big thanks to Micro Center for sponsoring today's video! New Customer Exclusive - Free 256GB SSD: micro.center/sd7 Save $800 on the PowerSpec G439 Pre-Built PC: micro.center/4f32b7 Shop Micro Center’s GPU’s: micro.center/9r4 Build Your PC With Micro Center’s PC Builder: micro.center/vjq Check Out the Special Offers for the new Indianapolis Store: micro.center/z53

[@jr6955]

3080 was a 4k GPU can you play at 4k ultra with the 4070 also the 3070 beat the 2080ti but the 4070wont beat the 3080ti and it cost $200 more than a --70 class GPU should cost you are making the problem worse when you buy this over priced tech

[@mr.obeydoge5266]

Dude is a sell out. Im really dissapointed on you my man. Here I was enjoying your content albeit im only a new subscriber for 3 months. So GamersNexus and the rest is wrong saying that this is bad value yeah? Unsubscribing dude, I just cant. Literally new gen are being released now and VRAM are creeping out and stable gpus are those with 16GB and not become a stuttery mess in 4k.

[@ZiggyAndTheSpiderFromMars]

As someone building PC's longer than you have been alive, should have gone with AMD/VRAM.

[@mr.obeydoge5266]

Value is with AMD and Intel right now for real. You became a gaslighter and enabler for their greed man.

[@giebaited6870]

There goes your credibility. Down the drain. Unsubscribing. Here, I was fooled thinking you are good, turns out I was wrong. Only the go to now is GamersNexus, Pauls Hardware, Daniel Owen, Level1Techs, and JayzTwoCents huh. There the real "reality" that youve discussed here, there on them is real.

[@chefcc90]

I would like to thank Nvidia for pricing the 4070 at $600. It made it easy to choose a 6950 XT

[@PACreeper]

fr

[@craiggamble4431]

I just bought a 6950xt as well after my 2080 super died. I can honestly not believe the stability I'm getting on games, so much better.

[@Crimson_Lockhart]

16 GB of VRAM gives peace of mind.

[@dd22koopaesverde58]

@@craiggamble4431 how your 2080 super died you oc it?

[@harshpatel9606]

What res do you play on?

[@SpaceCoast_]

I'd like to hand it to Micro Centers marketing team! THIS is how you sell overpriced overstock.

[@pinakmiku4999]

Microcenter filled his bag pretty well!

[@nehalmathew7510]

He used to talk badly on the 4070 and now he is praising it

[@SpaceCoast_]

@@nehalmathew7510 Yup. I did appreciate that AMD was mentioned positivly and not thrown under the bus. Although I think M.C. marketing team wrote that entire script, if he edited it then good on him.

[@19deltascout43]

🤡. Love my 4070ti

[@hackintosh3899]

@@nehalmathew7510 Anyone who has used it praises it. Perfect amount of VRAM for 1440p, ultra quiet and efficient and DLAA in any DLSS game with DLSSTweaks is the biggest game changer in video cards in a forever.

[@anthonyc2159]

Seeing Brett trying to sell the 4070 after bashing it two weeks ago is just sad.

[@stangamer1151]

But he is right after all. This is a good GPU - very power efficient, compact, silent, has more than enough VRAM for it's die capabilities and it performs great at 1440p, which is the best resolution for 4070. It's only problem is inflated price. If it was $499, it would sell like hot cakes. Unfortunately lack of tough competition (thanks to AMD, who can only sell VRAM, but not technology), inflation and echo of the last mining boom did it's job.

[@anthonyc2159]

@@stangamer1151 Funny how Brett was bashing the 4070 two weeks ago here at minute 8:30 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqe1lWCcmbOHrK8 It's a shitty card with shitty specs at a shitty price.

[@clayman71497]

​@Stan Gamer I agree the 4070 is powerful, yet very efficient, if it was at $499 it would probably be one of, if not the best mid-high range gpu this gen, currently atleast

[@thatguy3000]

@@clayman71497 Disagree, it being 499$ would make it buyable but the best mid-range status can only be obtained if it was priced at 399$. This card at 399$ would be legendary and at 499$, it would be reasonable.

[@stevendebrincat418]

Came here to say this. He didn't just bash it, he outright said don't buy it.

[@fiction3940]

This take is ridiculous. The fact you're trying to sell "saving $20 over a year on electricity" is proof you're reaching HARD

[@orkhepaj]

@@eternaldarkness3139 5 hours per day at max running... yeah totally

[@Petersson69]

More like 50 bro

[@fiction3940]

@Petersson69 even at $50, that's 13 cents a day compared to my claimed $20, which is 5 cents a day. If you're that broke, you shouldn't be worried about pc gaming

[@Petersson69]

@@fiction3940 you clearly dont get my point lmao.. amd cards may be cheaper, but in the long run they are a lot more expensive than nvidia cards, not to mention all the benefits nvidia has over the amd cards

[@spike178]

Yeah its pathetic my electricity bill has been cheaper over last three years because of free extra Government money £1000 every year towards my heating bills 😂 My Cpu runs at 65 watts saving me loads of money....

[@GamerFollower]

Tell me you've been paid by Nvidia/Microcenter to push 4070s, without telling me you've been paid by Nvidia/Microcenter to push 4070s. Jokes aside the 4070 is in no way a good decision to EVER buy over $400. You can get way more performance with AMD and get their top of the line card, for cheaper than this card.

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

not everyone lives in US where 6950xt is cheaper, also extremely high power draw is also a factor, with better DLSS 2 and probably even dlss 3 compared to their future fsr 3.

[@Fearruns]

Who cares

[@Mace_Window_]

Agreed if the prices were similar but in my country of Malaysia the 6950 xt is more than 20% more at its cheapest. So here the 470 is a better deal but still if its the same then 6950 xt is much better

[@GrimK77]

With what? 6950 XT? Its TDP is 335W, while 4070 has TDP of 200W... all that for "up to" 15% more of basic rendering power if any actually happens ... but then comes DLSS upscaling, and comparison is done. Still, on top of that, RTX 4070 has useable raytracing.

[@andreasbeshkin8852]

You gotta be real salty to say over 400 dollars, by that logic amds cards are super overpriced too (which they totally are, thay are gpus in todays market after all), atleast those in similar performance to 4070. But you are really doing tricks on amds meat right now bro

[@frankierizzo8516]

The "reality" is people want longevity and the best deal they can afford.

[@frankierizzo8516]

​@Jmack1lla who's crying?

[@wolffesaurusrex]

​@@frankierizzo8516 you

[@MrMike3134]

The reality is you're broke, buy a 4080 and enjoy life you bum

[@frankierizzo8516]

@@wolffesaurusrex ok dork

[@MYousuf-wu3ny]

yep.

[@Jay-vo7ls]

I believe it was Hardware unboxed, that showed how the low VRAM cards were actually losing quality in certain areas of games and other blurring etc. So when you see less used, there might be a correlation in the negative side of things.

[@masterkek4243]

I was thinking the same thing. Very conveniently choosing older titles and cherry picking new ones that didn't use too much Vram. Conveniently ignoring the testing that hardware unboxed did and leaving out games like Hogwarts Legacy and Forspoken. Both titles that are not unoptimized in terms of Vram usage and are also both very new and very cutting edge. (I am aware that Forspoken sucks, I just think it is good for testing)

[@cinderman100]

I agree it wasn’t a thorough test like hardware unboxed, but I’ve never seen him go into as much detail as other reviewers I watched. One thing I learnt when setting up Aida64 myself that there is reserved memory and used memory for video cards so his whole premise is wrong… I think he didn’t even use Hwinfo64 to see the real usage and just quoted what rivaturner was reporting…. I’m still going to watch him as it’s still entertaining for me even though Reece constantly lets him down. But I like him and his family.

[@CuttinInIdaho]

except nvidia has new compression tech so this drama will go poof

[@nuffsaid7759]

@@CuttinInIdaho Hah Hah Nvidia has always brought new tech to last gen cards right ? right? so much generosity.

[@CuttinInIdaho]

@@nuffsaid7759 are you simple? the tech is for compression of textures and does not require specific hardware which will keep make everything look much sharper (2x) while using less memory that current compression techniques. do you read or just mindlessly reply? if you actually care to know, Tom's hardware has a good article.

[@princeuket197]

I hope Nvidia didn't hold his family at gun point to make this Video 😢

[@Excadinator]

Why do you think we don't see Reece in this video?

[@chefcc90]

​@@Excadinator !!!!! Where is he?!??

[@Y2JYash]

It's really a nice card i downgraded from my rtx 3080 ti to rtx 4070 for some reasons like it has AV1 encoders and better efficiency (i could've bought 4070 ti but i felt 4070 is better value for money)

[@B0TForPresident]

They used a knife instead

[@fearisthemind-killer]

Couldn't you argue that 2070/3070 high prices were due to miners and the acceptance of the high prices were by miners, not regular gamers? Couldn't you argue that "poorly optimized games" are the norm at this point and gamers would want to have 16gb of ram in order to future proof themselves for the future of gaming?

[@emilpapis93]

No no its much more relevant to look at several year oldtitles for a newly released 4070, obviously -.-'

[@cryora]

Consoles have set the bar for massive VRAM. Also there was a rise of a new class of gamers - streamers that do it for a living willing to spend the extra amount for what is essentially to them a business investment.

[@henmar354]

The acceptance of high prices are purely gamers. Nvidia obviously understand the vost to reward ratio for miners at that time. Gamers were purely consumers. If idiots didnt buy the 3000 series cards at high prices for gaming, Nvidia wouldnt have added so much extra price to them. Nvidia saw how desperate gamers were , miners were just making profit. Gamers were paying 3x the amount. Minibg is dead. Gamign isnt. And they already saw how much little moron Americans with too much money will spend on gpus just to fuckig Have them.

[@nolyfe4814]

@@henmar354hold your horses, nvidia has already been seeing sales drops. Not all gamers were out there using moms credit card. Some People has enough sense to hold out and little by little the current market is actually getting better. They’ve already dropped some gpus down like 50 bucks. Let’s wait and see what happens by next month

[@grayden4138]

In the present, prices have dropped precipitously for the 3070. It was $600+ a year ago and they are sub-$500 now, manufacturer depending. Rumors are now circling that Nvidia is dropping refreshes on the 30/40 series with almost all models bumping up to 16gb VRAM with models bumping up additional specs.

[@dmplayz5039]

Isn't your hypo completely proven wrong at 4k? why should I limit my options when I am shelling out 600$? 1000$ in India tbh... I think we should not affirm such behavior by Nvidia... give us more price-perf ): with/: or without more vram.... when shelling out 2500$ on my setup at this point I don't think that 60$/yr or 28$/yr in India doesn't matter at all to most gamers.. your review sounds biased unfortunately. *Some PPL* in comments are saying that a build would cost 1200$ 😂🤯 look at this fyi - how exactly? 1000$ + 550$ (7800x3d) cpu + 120$ psu (1000w/gold)+ 120$ (2tb ssd) + 200$ motherboard + 120$ ram (16 gb ddr5) + 120$ case + 400$ monitor + 200$ accessories + etc.... Clearly crossing 3000$ ..........

[@oliversmith2129]

Where do you even buy AMD cards in India? I've been looking for months, the ones listed on Amazon don't update their old prices. I'd happily buy a 6800XT if I could.

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

price/perf 4070 would probably the best in all 4000 series. also no, 4070 build isn't gonna be 2500$, it's 1300$~ tops.

[@oliversmith2129]

@@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184 He is talking about prices in India. Our GST rates are 30% over MSRP for all imported electronics. There's also hoarding done by retailers which pushes the prices even further.

[@x8jason8x]

It sounds biased because it is lol. It's a sponsored spot.

[@horizon4895]

I find it disappointing of you that you rip into Nvidia and this card for a while now, yet here you are trying to justify Nvidia's decisions. Other big channels like Hardware Unboxed have already shown that lower VRAM capacity and bandwidth will be problems, as cards like the 3070 are aging poorly now when compared to the 6800 non-XT and up in newer titles. People aren't simply looking at the here and now, they are looking into the future, where they want their tech to perform at least acceptable for the price they paid - said price that Nvidia is upcharging you on, because both AMD and Nvidia realized they can just get away with it after the mining craze.

[@Elinzar]

Bret this isn't about the 4070 begin a bad card, this is about the people not having it with Nvidia's behavior anymore Yes this card is fine today, but sure as heck won't be in 2 years time and paying 600 bucks to have a stuttery mess of a card because it ran out of Vram in 2 years is really really bad for the poor bastard that bought it And c'mon, expecting it to not be able to play at 1440p high today? For 600 Bret c'mon, 1440p 165hz monitors are approaching the 200 usd it isn't expensive tech anymore... Is just unacceptable for a new midrange card of the lastest gen to not do 1440p at high specially at these prices 1080p can't just be hold forever as the standard and is about time 1440p becomes the norm and if this card can not do it because of Vram then what is even the point of unleashing that much cash? Still anyway, there is another reason why nobody is buying them There is no need for it anyway, why you would want to play the latest and greatest if the lastest games are all awful souless waste timers with pretty eye candy that are completely bugged at launch, people just don't play them, they play old titles that old cards can run just fine so yeah People are Fed Up with Nvidia, People are Fed Up with AAA gaming in general and people are Fed up with paying stupid prices for basically no improvement... So nobody is buying now EVGA bailed out at the right time they saw the writing in the wall, they know their customers and that's why they where the best gpu makers and one of the best companies out there

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

200 usd 1440p monitors suck, most of the good ones stays on 300-350$ mark. 3070 lasted for 3 years, knowing 3080 is still fine only having 10 GB, 4070 will last 4 years or even more.

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

@@adrianagiuca1196 why? you are way into the vram hype train, the last of us remake already fixed their VRAM issues, hell jedi too. It's kinda their fault buying in advance. When there are certain games 4070 can't run on ultra use, high or do custom, or wait for a week, simple.

[@Elinzar]

​@@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184 300 is still not that expensive for the mid range , and that a 500 usd card like the 3070 lasted only 3 years on no fault of its own except that it runs out of Vram is absolutely absurd, the dam core can beat the ass of a 6800 all day if it doesnt run out of Vram meaning the Gpu itself could have lasted more than 3 years without issues if it had idk, 12gb? also remember that nobody paid 500 for it, they paid 1000 because of the scalpers which is even more of an insult at this point

[@TroyEdinSammyWinchester82]

Hell yeah. I'll agree 100% and I remember the day that Jay's and gamers Nexus laid out the sad news, we lost EVGA. Hands down the best of the best for reliability, pricepoint and design. Sad day that was. But we can't blame them for abandoning the sinking ship helmed by Nvidia.

[@mdbattlefrog1913]

75% of people are still on 1080p.

[@vedranhorvat144]

You sold your soul for this video, after you were spitting on nvidia and 4070 so much....Low level!

[@BLAKROSS]

yep. last video I will check out from him. shame :( unsubscribe...

[@oliversmith2129]

Come on now, you gotta do what you gotta do

[@denisbaz6682]

Intelligent people can admit that they were wrong and change there opinions with time, but dogs like you are only after the hate of something )

[@ThisAintPizzaHut445]

The 4070 is a great card... for a 60-class product. It's insulting at $600.

[@andrzejwysocki609]

and now the 4060 has 16 gigs of vram XD

[@fattyusmcchubbs9200]

4070 should've been the 4060 ti for $399 that would be a banger deal.

[@nuffsaid7759]

@@andrzejwysocki609 this actually makes it funny and 4070 buyer must be raging at nvidia giving 16 gb for less money and not treating 70 class buyer any good

[@andrzejwysocki609]

@@nuffsaid7759 true but that bus speed is like what? 128, that is slowwww its like having a huge gas tank but a tiny engine in a car ( i think)

[@nuffsaid7759]

@@andrzejwysocki609 for 1080p with pcie 4.0 it won't be bad but you will absolutely notice it with 1440p

[@DrDoinks]

*Jenson from Nvidia enters UFD Tech’s room* *“Hey buddy, looks like your $100,000 cashiers check has been sent. You better start simping that 4070 now!”* 😂

[@koncepttheking4071]

Exactly. He spent the last 6 telling us how bad of a deal the 4070 is. Now he’s drooling over them

[@shinseitaizen]

This one is missing the mark. The point is not that there is a problem *now*. The point is that this VRAM issue is going to get worse. Objectively, given what developers are saying, they will need to use more and cannot spend time optimizing for lower VRAM amounts. In this scenario, having the extra VRAM headroom is going to increase the longevity of your card for future Triple-A titles. The 4070 will begin to lose out on performance for those same titles, where the 6950XT will operate at its best. None of this is to even mention how this comparison looks when AMD actually ends up releasing a current-gen model that competes with the 4070.

[@chefcc90]

There is "fine" and then there is better value, and the 6950 XT still seems like it is providing better value

[@FilthEffect]

Gpus becoming under spec over time will happen regardless. Stop being a melt over vram when you're probably not even on a 30s series card.

[@Vivicect0r]

I agree that it would have problems sooner then 6950xt. However, we are talking about 4070 here, 12 gigs is ok for it, its basically a 3080 but better RT and more memory. ( For the pretty same price, so I will still go on kicking this new price policy to the dumpster where it belongs.). Lets not go into claiming every card must have at least 16 gigs.

[@MrSandvich03]

​@@FilthEffectRemember the GTX 970 3.5gb?

[@stangamer1151]

"Longevity" is a very misleading term. There is no GPU, which can handle new games during a few years at the same resolution/settings. Future Triple-A titles will also require a lot more GPU horsepower, not just more VRAM. When the day of "12GB is not enough" comes, 4070 won't be able to run those future games at bearable framerates anyway. So you will have to reduce resolution and settings, which saves VRAM as well. Here and now you actually need just about 10GB at 1440p/Ultra, if the game is optimized well. The latest patch for TLoU shows, that game developers can actually do their job right and you definitely do not need 16+GB to play this game without any problems, in fact, 11GB is all it needs now for 4K. But 4070 can not run this game at 4K/60. And at 1440p TLoU requires only 9,5GB. And do not forget that AMD GPUs usually require more VRAM than Nvidia GPUs, which is shown in this video. And 6950XT is a faster card, thus it has more VRAM, so it can run games at higher resolutions/settings than 4070.

[@Cloudiroth123]

What it really depends on is what games do you own? Most of my catalog is older games that I can now run at high fps with high graphical settings. Metro Exodus Enhanced edition and Cyberpunk runs even better with my RTX 4070. I generally wait for games to get cheap on Steam and that can take a couple years after release. Realistically upgrading to a upper mid range card works just fine for me. The second thing is how often do you upgrade. Honestly just having patience will save you money on the games and you’ll get high settings with newer cards. The problem is when you want things “now.” I’m in a blessed position in my life but I still try to be smart with my money. All the money I spent in my twenties on games at full price rather than being patient and playing it smart has brought me some regret. But that’s life, we learn 😂

[@FreakyDudeEx]

dude defending the 4070 while getting it with such bad specs sounds like buyer's remorse to me... dude it doesn't fucking matter... they gave that card with that performance tier with such little vram.... people are not stupid.... people finally woke up to the BS they have been eating from nvidia... we can't use userbenchmark because they are super biased so everyone uses youtube comparison videos.... and now people understand much better even further than avg fps.... turns out nvidia has been making cards for gamers that does not have enough vram for many years.... unless you are willing to pay for the top of the line cards.... people are not stupid... and don't get me started on this "not for this type of class of cards" because that has been proven to be false now.... even with the correct settings on their class of cards, nvidia has proven every bottleneck in their 3000 series cards using settings perfect for their class of cards in the latest titles of games that pushes boundaries for the future of the industry, have their cards shot in the legs by vram if its not at least with 12gb vram.... and even the 12gb vram are still having artifacting issues.... this 12gb vram no matter the AI power and other BS stuff from nvidia that are proprietary.... yea its not gonna cut it for more than 1-2 years.... because the latest actual decently optimized AAA titles for the past 2 years are already in the 10gb vram range even on 1080p.... they had to make patches just for nvidia cards just to make you guys think ohhh look its avg fps is btr than amd..... while in the background, heavy artifacting is happening non stop every few seconds just from reloading assets or purposely unloading said assets the next few seconds on nvidia cards due to lack of vram.... not to mention star citizen's pure BS..... it makes anything lower than 16gb vram look like a fucking piece of shit....

[@knighthood_tech]

The 1% and 0.1% lows on the 4070 seem to be significantly worse in most titles. Isn't this already a symptom of running out of VRAM, or is the 4070 just a weaker GPU in general?

[@LhynkalTheFool]

Stuttering occurs when you run out of VRAM :}

[@gamesntech4827]

@@LhynkalTheFool or with a weaker bus

[@backfischritter]

When the avg fps are 20% slower, what do you think will happen to the 1% lows?

[@joydebnath_1485]

​@@gamesntech4827 does 4070ti have same issue?

[@nuffsaid7759]

How about both? it's a 60 series cards with clock speed up to moon so that it performs like a 3080 and it won't have much headroom for manual overclocking.

[@carlkidd752]

RT is still a resource hog. Adjust your expectations to your overall system. AMD dropping the cost of all their GPUs just shows how much margin there is. Nvidia COULD sell their GPUs at a lower price and really put the screws to AMD and still make a profit. As long as people are willing to pay the Nvidia "name tax", their prices will remain absurd.

[@Ďèlùlù_Ľ_è_ḿ_ó_ń]

Good for you for leasing the Nvidia 4070 E-Waste edition. If you're happy with it that's all that matters.

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

ye 3000 are probably worse than it though.

[@thatguy3000]

@@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184 Not the 3090 Ti though. That shit has 24 GB VRAM.

[@John-ft4hh]

how much nvidia really paying u?

[@CKdunno]

It’s a good card

[@alext5314]

Amd users are just as sad as huawei users

[@learnnx8517]

It actually is, the 4060 is shit but I recommend the 4070 tbh

[@obeliskt1024]

If this was priced at 500$ (knowing it's a 4060 on paper at best) I would just shut up and buy it. It fits perfectly on what GPU upgrade I require, 12gb vram, no more than 200w tdp and has 2 or 2.2 slot model cards.

[@davepianist84]

It's best if a last Gen card only gets down one tier, example : 3080=4070 3070Ti =4060Ti Other than that is a slap in the face of consumers.

[@skmskmx]

Thank you Nvidia for helping me chose 6950XT over 4070

[@mannyman139]

You're going to return it lol

[@slimshady1778]

​@@mannyman139 lmao Nvidia fanboy.

[@MYousuf-wu3ny]

@@mannyman139 LOL. I don't think so LOL.

[@MYousuf-wu3ny]

Good for you.

[@mannyman139]

@@slimshady1778 not a fanboy, I'm just speaking from experience that the gpu is shit. I dealt with the 5700xt drivers and months with the issues that it came with. Upgraded to a 6950xt and genuinely tried to remember when I was happy with a card not dealing with googling how to fix stutters, crashes and etc. It didn't hurt wasting $540 on my 4070 and I haven't had no issues at all.

[@relkyagreymoon12]

I disagreed big time with the VRAM statement. My 3080 (same performance as 4070) is able to turn on MAX settings and RT in RE4 at 100+ fps except for the texture because the card is out of VRAM. This is a real use case for me. I need more VRAM on my 3080. If you're not playing an AAA open world game, 3080/4070 can target MAX settings at 1440p. And if more AAA non-open world games start to use more VRAM like RE4, you need the 16gb. You saying 16gb doesn't match with the use case of a 3080/4070 is so out of touch.

[@mohammedghabboun9833]

True, the video also reveals that there is also a big misunderstanding between ram and vram,, vram is used for framebufee textures , models, lights etc but the ram is used for everything cpu side like ai, bounding volumes, scene graphs and game logic etc

[@LiquidSnake690]

I'm going to say this at 1440p the RTX 4070 is a good card but at the same time I agree with Pauls Hardware who said you usually get previous gen flagship class performance in the 70 class for less money not more money so the RTX 4070 should have been at least 20 percent faster than it currently is for the same price as the RTX 3070. So to sum it up the RTX 4070 is a good card at a bad price. Lastly I forgot to mention it but the RTX 4070's 12 GB vram is already not enough in some current games and will be an even bigger problem in future games.

[@thatguy3000]

I wouldn't say it's great for 1440p. 1080p? Sure, it's good for 1080p. Games like Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4 already need 12 GB VRAM with Ray Tracing enabled. Games have already come out that require 12 GB VRAM. 2-3 years later is probably gonna be 16 GB VRAM. So, no the 4070 needed at least 16 GB to be relevant.

[@giucafelician]

@@thatguy3000 Let's see here how things are in front of the 6800... not XT in 1440p... And one more thing, look at the power consumption The RT 6800 is not really that far from the 4070... kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIangWyNZ55pfZI

[@LiquidSnake690]

@@thatguy3000 I agree with you on the vram I just didn't mention it in my comment. Also I should have said it's good for games at 1440p today with the caveat that you might have to turn off raytracing and turn down textures in some current games and future games because it doesn't have enough vram. I tried saying the same thing to the youtuber TheGoodOldGamer in a livestream and he told me I can just turn down settings in games and said to just turn off raytracing because it causes terrible frametime spikes whenever he turns it on. The thing is though is that I've turned it on and I don't get frametime spikes in every game like he does. A person in his livestream chat told me to give him an example of 4 games that are optomized that need more vram. I thought of Resident Evil 4 Remake and said that the game crashes when you run out of vram I think and he said a simple solution to that is to turn down settings. The thing is I like beautiful graphics so I don't want to turn down settings or textures that's why I have an RX 7900 XT despite it being overpriced. I also know gameplay is more important than graphics but at the same time I want beautiful graphics with good gameplay.

[@LiquidSnake690]

@@thatguy3000 I also told TheGoodOldGamer that in the future the PC will be able to do path tracing while the consoles will do raytracing and he made it sound like I was a pc master race idiot which I hate using the term pc master race especially since I have consoles and PC and I play games on both. I also said raytracing and pathtracing will make it easier for developers to make games and he laughed at me and said pathtracing will never be a thing because he thinks graphics cards that will be able to do pathtracing like the RTX 4090 will be expensive forever but he forgets that all technology starts out expensive and gets cheaper overtime. I'm sorry about my rambling and long comments but TheGoodOldGamer and some people in his livestream chat really made me mad.

[@thatguy3000]

@@LiquidSnake690 Yeah, I know what you mean. Turning down Textures hurts the visuals hard. I don't just play games for the gameplay aspect only, I want to enjoy the visuals too. That guy named TheGoodOldGamer must be really dumb as hell. When RT was first introduced, everyone said it was useless and said that it wouldn't be the future. After the 30 series came out, RT became a thing and GPUs that could do RT became hell of a lot cheaper. The 1500$ 2080 Ti's performance could match the 600$ 3070 effortlessly. Old GPUs go down in price but new GPUs also give old gen flagship performance at a much lower price. The RTX 4070 Ti that costs about 800$ could match the 3090 Ti that was priced at about 2000$ when it came out. GPU performance improves gen after gen, it's just a matter of time before path tracing could be done by xx50 series GPUs at some point in the future.

[@heyflo1]

What the hell is this video? I thought the first 5 minutes (without the sponsored section) was purely sarcasm... And it ended up a promo segment for a 4070 that is a 4060 Ti at $599 MINIMUM that barely ties a 3080? And after hearing all the shitstorm about the 10-12gb MINIMUM of VRAM to be future proof, you just completely shake it away? That's one hell of a let down and a big sellout moment if I've ever seen one. Hell, even in EU this GPU is selling around 800€! And hearing that NVIDIA is going to release a 4060 with 16gb of vram but not on a 4070 that needs it the most?! Completely unacceptable and you should clearly stand your ground on these matters.

[@27Zangle]

$599 for basically a 4060 is the problem and other than a small mention near the end that the '4070' should be about $100 less, I felt this video kind of missed the point on why everyone is upset.

[@27Zangle]

@@rangerkayla8824 fair enough and good point.

[@yuehuang3419]

I downgraded to gtx 1070 and I couldn't happier. I could play at with 60fps. I am also happy that NVIDIA hasn't release a newer 70 class GPU with more VRAM to devalue my purchase.

[@CynHicks]

A thousand dollars is practically nothing but I'll pretend it is...😂

[@beau-urns]

i downgraded to the GTX 570 and couldnt be happer. Now i can play all my games at 380p at 60fps

[@valorantpro-zi4yd]

@@beau-urns 360p

[@orkhepaj]

@@beau-urns all your games are 2d kagura vn-s :)

[@lenz117]

​@beau-urns finally with the downgrade I can play eldenring as pixel art 😂

[@ATVProven]

What kind of nonsense is this comparing actual fps performance to vram usage lol. Microcenter asks can you do a Rtx 4070 commercial they arent selling, ufd says yes yes we can. 😂

[@conza1989]

Brett, you aren't an Nvidia shill, but boy, if you can't see how people would call you that after the first 5m of this video, sir you need to re-examine. Just because the founders edition 2070 was +$100 and now it's not, doesn't mean that the price jump isn't shocking, and the crypto + pandemic pricing can't be used to excuse this either, it's a rip off of a card. Then yeah, the comments on VRAM are silly, obviously, sorry they are, the 4070 has the performance of the 3080 which was clearly a 4K card at the time and the 10GB version was a really cruel joke Nvidia shoved on people, the 12GB card was barely better, but it was also 2-3 years ago, we've seen the examples where PC games are exceeding 12GBs now, I have no idea why you'd defend this decision, it's baffling. Far out man, the 4070ti beats it?! Yeah no shit sherlock, dude, do research seriously, look at videos by Hardware Unboxed and you can see plenty of examples where VRAM is becoming an issue.

[@Blo55]

The sponsorship was like two minutes

[@pixelward42]

4 min

[@TheIndulgers]

I think something is up with your Jedi Survivor benchmark. In Koboh after several hours of gameplay, my vram climbs and climbs FAR higher than what you're seeing. Even with RT off at 1440p. It doesn't really matter what you call it - optimized, unoptimized, good port, bad port. Regardless of the current state of pc game, if nvidia had given you more vram you would be having a better gaming experience and more longetivity with your $600 product. Even more egregious with the 4070ti at $800. The same company gave you 8gb for $380 with the gtx 1070. That 50% more vram for 1.6x the price. That’s what 7 years of “progress” is to Nvidia. Edit: The power efficiency is impressive for SFF builds. Pretty niche though.

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

because jedi was already patched.

[@TheIndulgers]

@@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184 No difference. The game can still report +18gb being allocated.

[@Elinzar]

Bret, You know why that card is so smol and efficient? It is because is only a 4070 in name, it is basically a 60 class card in specs!, Nvidia gimped from the get go the entire stack of cards except for the 4090 for some reason

[@denisbaz6682]

With your logic what should 4060 ti be ? 4050 ?

[@nuffsaid7759]

@@denisbaz6682 yeah it's a laptop card with 128 bit bus pay attention or maybe you don't otherwise you would know well at least it has 16 gb it will play anything at 1080 p for a long time

[@Elinzar]

@@denisbaz6682 yep

[@mikesapp3241]

No no it’s a TI86 calculator that’s what mine is. I got it at Kmart.

[@JCashBeatz]

@@nuffsaid7759my laptop 3070 had 256 bus dim wit.

[@fartcruncher98]

Did Nvidia pay you off or something? Why the hell are you praising the RTX 4000 series?!?

[@Sirciel]

Because he has his own opinion aka not a sheep

[@jakobe_bryantgaming5580]

this vid rly didn't convince me that a 4070 is a better buy for $600 than a 6950XT for the same price. I don't need av1, I don't need fake frames. I just want a good gaming experience at a good price. I just bought 2 RX 6800's (still 16 GB of vram) for $580 (for both, not each), and they both overclocked to well beyond 3080 10 GB stock performance at under 260 watts! (in games it was more like 200 watts). I feel like those cards are still a valid competitor to the 4070, at half the price on the used market.

[@thatguy3000]

AMD has AV1 now too. The 6000 series should be supporting it too.

[@janbenes3165]

@@thatguy3000 AV1 is hardware component. It cannot be added to RX 6000 with software update.

[@JahidulIslam]

​@@thatguy30007000 series av1 hardware encoding.

[@magus32]

Is this a late April fools joke? How about the 4070 VS 3070? It's not even a upgrade.

[@passablegamer2536]

Much the same argument was made in reference to the 3070, a card which cannot load the HD texture pack for Far Cry 6 at 1440, a game not even two years old. If game developers are designing games with the intent to utilize a minimum VRAM amount, I think spending $600 to not meet that minimum threshold is asking for trouble.

[@mastroitek]

Looking at the last games I played they all take 10-13gb of vram (depending on res and RT), for example Metro Exodus ED takes 11gb at 4K, Hogwarts Legacy can get up to 13GB at 4K and RT on medium. So in the end I think 12gb are enough for 1440p at the moment and also for the next 3-4y (mostly because high and ultra textures look very similar during gameplay, so having to drop down settings in 2-3y is not a real problem for me). But, the small bus scares me, I feel like the card is and will be held back more from the bus than its 12gb of vram.

[@backfischritter]

​@@mastroitekyup

[@abnorth2276]

@@mastroitekI agree to some degree. But at the same time, why were games like battlefield 1 able to achieve incredible looking textures at all resolutions? And we didn’t even have 12gb vram cards then from what I know of.

[@mastroitek]

@@abnorth2276 I believe another example could be A Plague Tale Requiem, it seems like it takes about 9gb or vram at 4k ultra, which is impressive considering how good the game looks.

[@michaelmay962]

This video really misses the mark. VRAM is just a single pain point in a generation with many many pain points

[@ThisIsMeArnold]

"I don't regret downgrading to this GPU. You should get it. I know many of you target 4K and it can do 4K. Anyway, here's Witcher 3, 1440p, running at 31 FPS."

[@WASD-MVME]

Haha

[@dbwildcat20]

This is the worst take I've seen in tech youtube in a while

[@thepan]

Let's be real.. There's NO such thing as bad GPUs. There's ONLY badly-priced GPUs.

[@justincowans2677]

Looks like the 6950 is the way to go if you have the psu and case to keep it cool. Happy I got a 6900xt instead of waiting for the 4070 which I was planning on.

[@hotdog9262]

a good laid out case with space and airflow ..and undervolting. no problem

[@EwanShawcroft]

​@@hotdog9262undervolting being the major topic that is all too often overlooked. It can improve the thermals and efficiency of most GPUs, not just the notoriously power hungry ones. 100% recommend

[@angeloamaral9141]

I got a 4070 at Best Buy. I will pair it to a R7 5800x3d

[@GOTEEGAMING]

Yo light bill going be 150$ more every month lol

[@aouyiu]

@@GOTEEGAMING Ever heard of undervolting lol?

[@redinthesky1]

Like I've been saying since the 4080(s) were announced : I'd be fine with obviously downgraded specs or higher prices. Not both

[@Humanaut.]

This video is a perfect example of how money changes what you say.

[@starlightHT]

Paid videos..... I mean sponsored videos

[@agamemnonblanas8941]

I think this card should have been a 16gb one. Is it possible a 4070 to have 12gb and a 4060 to have 16? What are they thinking? Plus, I can easily grab a 6950xt for 650€ rather than pay 630€ and strengthen ngreedias monopoly.

[@modrribaz1691]

The same way they thought with the 3060 and the 3070, jfl.

[@chefcc90]

Can the memory bus support 16 GB?

[@scottbrowder8304]

the 4060 should have been 8GB, the 4060ti should have been 12GB, the 4070 at 12GB but slightly faster than the 4060ti, and the 4070ti should have had 16GB. then the 4080 should have come with 16GB and 4080ti at 20GB. but that would be a logical product stack and neither AMD nor Nvidia understand logic.

[@Apersonfarfaraway]

Because of the memory bus

[@dhLotan]

The 4060 ti with 16GB VRAM seems like a knee-jerk reaction to terrible 4070 sales and all the talk about VRAM. I'm pretty confident they'll refresh the 4070 to have 16GB within the next few months if product doesn't start moving and then they'll probably have to discount the 4070 12GB because it's painfully obvious people aren't interested in paying $600 for that.

[@dunningkruger9]

Upgrade to AM5 and pair the 4070 with a Ryzen 7700 (which outperforms the 5800X3D). That's a power efficient combo. The 7700 will run much cooler in that case. It might be time for you to make the AM5 switch which also gives you an upgrade path for a few more years. I did buy the 4070 recently. I game at 1440P. So far so good, but we'll see how it handles Starfield and the upcoming Cyberpunk DLC. That said, in many games, at 1440P max settings, I am CPU bound, so I'd really need to upgrade my CPU or upgrade to a 4K monitor before the performance of the 4070 was a concern to me right now. I also care about power efficiency. I did not have to upgrade my power supply to run the card. If I purchased a 6950XT or a 4070 TI, I'd have to upgrade my power supply as well and I'd have to factor that additional cost. I do feel like I took a calculated risk because I am concerned about not having 16gb of VRAM long term, so when the time comes, I will sell it and upgrade.

[@cavemonkey7634]

I just got a MSI b650 carbon WiFi paired with an And Ryzen 7 7700 the ram is Kingston fury beast 4 sticks of 2x8 (32gb) cooler master 750 vi PSU a gaming x trio 4070 and a MSI aio cooler 240mm. I just ran a cinebench test this morning and the scores were GPU: 17732 CPU multi Core: 1101 the temps stayed just below 90 degrees Celsius on both I'm running star field at max settings and getting 120-130 fps with DlSS enabled on balanced and I'm getting CPU temps at 58-68 degrees Celsius and GPU temps at 50-54 degrees Celsius

[@misaelperez1077]

It amazes me how a sponsorship makes you recommend a 4070 over a 6950XT.

[@denisbaz6682]

6950 xt is dog shit that you can only game on, nothing more

[@misaelperez1077]

Tell me that you are a Nvidia fanboy without telling that you are a Nvidia fanboy…

[@Chamsou_]

@@denisbaz6682 the card ain't dogshit but amd is loosing a lot of customers because they're not really good gpus for content creation

[@JCashBeatz]

@@misaelperez1077tell me you are a amd fanboy. U probably have a ryzen and a radeon combo 😂

[@misaelperez1077]

@@JCashBeatz Actually I’m a happy user of a 3090/13900Kf. But I’m not blind to AMD products over Nvidia.

[@BLAKROSS]

Disappointing video.....after ranting so much about latest nvidia launches you post this video? Praising and justifying this card? Very low from you.

[@SirSethery]

The card itself is good. The price is bad. But that's because the entire market is still bad and Nvidia is taking advantage of us.

[@Refi_Van]

How much was the bribe from Nvidia/Microcenter? I'm curious 😂

[@ESSA20]

Sombody got paid, sell out!

[@maag78]

OMG this dude is all over the place... I will say though, I love my 4070. I find myself using that system more than my 4080 for some reason.

[@DeuxVitae]

4K is the future. Hence the 4070's gonna loose the VRAM race pretty soon. Especially with games like Starfield on the Horizon. 😞

[@nadtz]

I'd be impressed if that happened anytime soon though. 4k is still an order of magnitude behind 1440p in the steam surveys and 1440p is still like 1/5th of 1080. While it's not an objective measurement of all gamers it's a large enough sample to say that 1080p is still by far the most popular res by a very large margin.

[@aFutureSelf]

4k is too expensive and the huge hit in fps doesn’t make it seem worth it yet. Also, you’re at the mercy of buying expensive cpu/gpus going forward. If maybe the future, but that’s just it, it’s the future and not now. Also, the vram issue is way overblown anyways. Not everyone on pc plays AAA titles on ultra 4k 30fps lol. One of the benefits that makes pc gaming worth the price is getting that buttery smooth 144-360fps, even if it is 1080/1440p.

[@XPkoolXD]

The video shows several 4k games running great with 12GB VRAM or less. The real issue is software that is poorly optimized on launch and patched weeks, months, years after the release. Publishers are releasing games in poor quality and making early buyers pay to be their QA team. I happily wait until it's in good working condition and by then it's often half off in price too.

[@aFutureSelf]

@@XPkoolXD yea that too. New graduates and cheap talent in the game dev space is starting to show up on the market. It's super apparent with the shallow writing as well.

[@Orisha1990]

No, you're not. This is what they said about the 3070 and look where it is now, this shouldn't even be a slight concern at this price point for this money. A "concern" now is a 3070 situation in 1 years time where some games don't even play.

[@diegomanjarres4094]

You have to check image quality, because some engines might be sending low resolution textures not to go over ram.

[@nuffsaid7759]

examples halo infinite , Hogwarts lrgacy and forspoken

[@andreasbeshkin8852]

@@nuffsaid7759 it doesnt do that in hogwarts or forspoken

[@janbenes3165]

@@andreasbeshkin8852 It does, HU showed it in this video when talking about those specific games "Nvidia's 16GB RTX 3070... Sort Of: 16GB A4000 vs 8GB RTX 3070"

[@andreasbeshkin8852]

@@janbenes3165 doesnt happen with 12 gigs unless you’re playing in 4k but if you play 4k your budget should be way past a 4070 anyways

[@GWT1m0]

@@andreasbeshkin8852 People were playing in 4k at 40ish fps with the GTX 1080ti, why shouldn't the expectation be that 4k 60hz should be the standard on a 4070 by now ?

[@jeremyhouse129]

My reality told me to go with 7900XTX from Sapphire.

[@pm4009]

I came from a GTX 1080 and Im really enjoying the RTX 4070. The difference is like reality and Neflix's Cleopatra

[@DanPyjamas]

Yep I just replaced my liquid cooled 1080ti with a 4070. Its so much better at 4k. Plus I can use it for other things like Blender, which ruled AMD out

[@Leowulfs]

A horse drawn wagon is also slower than my truck on the highway what’s your point since.

[@darrenm5797]

I think right now it's fine, and maybe next year its also fine. I think 2 years, 3 years it's likely to not be good enough, and if VRAM becomes a bottleneck, it bottlenecks HARD. That is my issue with it. Raytracing, I almost never use it, its not worth the load vs visuals. I suspect I will need to upgrade my 3080TI 12GB in 1-2 years because of this, I sure wouldn't be buying another 12GB card right now if I had a choice.

[@Hyatice]

We'll see how rapidly the market and requirements change, but I just upgraded from a 1080 (non-ti) to a 4070 when a really good deal turned its head. Funny enough, I didn't even upgrade because I felt like I needed the performance bump (I was actively looking for a decent price on a used 3060ti, for reference). The 1080 has been handling 3440x1440 ultra textures in almost every game I've played *just fine*.

[@mr.electronx9036]

that's why even wouldn't buy a 4070ti...12GB for 800 euro is just criminal It's a fast card but dude, 12GB???

[@stangamer1151]

In 2-3 years 4070 will become 1080p GPU. No one can say for sure what will be the minimum game requirements then, but I doubt you will need more than 12GB for 1080p at that time. VRAM usage grows pretty linear (excluding those horribly optimized PC ports, which eventually improve it's performance and VRAM management after a few patches).

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

Consoles have around 12-13gb of usable memory for games and that is shared across CPU and GPU. So if 12gb becomes not enough then it's entirely the devs fault.

[@thatguy3000]

Go for something that has 24 GB VRAM, like the 3090 Ti or the 4090.

[@tedyi8588]

What hell just few days ago he was smashing 4070s

[@TimLongson]

NVidia really needs to fix their prices and release refreshed VRAM versions of their existing RTX 4000 cards: 4090 $999 -24GB VRAM 4080Ti $899 -24GB VRAM version 4080 $799 -16GB VRAM 4070Ti $699 -16GB VRAM version 4070 $599 -16GB VRAM version 4060Ti $499 -12GB VRAM version 4060 $399 -12GB VRAM version 4050Ti $299 -12GB VRAM version 4050 $199 - 8GB VRAM version If they still want a huge profit margin flagship GPU, for people willing to pay for the very best, they could release a new RTX4090Ti / titan with 48GB VRAM, display port 2.1 & PCIe5 for something between $1,500 and $2,000. This pricing would be consistent with the previous pricing, even taking into account the cost of living inflation. They should not charge over $200 for ANY GPU with 8GB VRAM, nor charge over $500 for any GPU restricted to 12GB. Buying a GPU with less than 16GB VRAM in 2023 is buying a short shelf life, already showing obsolescence in some recent triple A games, graphics card!

[@nuffsaid7759]

4090 24 4080 24 4070 16 4060 16 4050 12 why don't you want people buy 60 and 50 class card have a good experience ?

[@TimLongson]

@Nuff Said NVidia are about to release a 16GB RTX4060Ti.

[@nanoevil]

Coming from a 1080ti im pretty happy with my 4070 and it is definitely what i needed on my sff / itx pc

[@mr.electronx9036]

dual slot gpu 👌

[@EwanShawcroft]

Yeah, can see massive benefits for SFF builds. I'm sure 12GB will be fine for 95% of games and only a tweak here and there for the other to play smoothly. 16GB would definitely have been appreciated though 😅

[@SirTE0]

The only "issue" with the RTX4070 is that when you enable the RT in 1440p performance are really poor (30fps in The Witcher 3 are a total shame in my opinion). This is a 1080p (RT On) card.

[@modusaparandi8239]

That nvidia cheque is REAL!!!!

[@klipk7296]

the internet's response any time someone has a differing opinion

[@WASD-MVME]

Sponsored by Microcenter and that good side of daddy Jensen's jacket

[@Johnwick-ed7vo]

Well I'm not a fan of trying to tell anyone what to think but in this video I have to say you just come off sounding like a Nvidia fan boy, it will be interesting to see if you're still using a 4070 4 years down the road praying dlss takes care of your frames and if your still able to game at 1440 higher settings. Also at the price alot want it to game at 4 k more than it does

[@JustSomeDude31]

By now a 4070 should be a 4k low end card already so yeah. Especially with 4k in mind the vram options nowadays are bollox. What a lot of people seem to miss the point of is that the vram options and the price they ask for the cards are completely off balance. And longevity is completely thrown out of the window. Besides that game engine technology is also improving fairly fast which means optimization for lower end graphics cards which lack VRAM just takes more time than most developers have. Having more VRAM across all tiers only promotes better game development and longevity of hardware (wich is great for sustainability as well).

[@Johnwick-ed7vo]

@@eternaldarkness3139 true lol but that's my real name, not a movie, and not that he will care, but he did lose a subscriber

[@clem9808]

As a previous rtx user it's so hard to choose the 6950xt over the 4070. I settled with the 4070 ,and I genuinely feel so happy about it. 😊

[@mac-no4zd]

hey man, i have a rx6600 and i’m looking to upgrade and i’m stuck between the 4070 and the 6950xt, the power consumption of the 6950xt and thermals is turning me towards the 4070 do you think the 4070 is worth it. Also I’ve never had an nvidia gpu so are the features it offers solid

[@natem1579]

@@mac-no4zd I was between 7800xt and 4070 for ages but what tipped the scales easily was finding out the absolute gulf in image quality there is between DLSS and FSR, which is why I bought a 4070 today.

[@middlebean694]

@@natem1579 I feel that on another level. I bought my 6950xt about a year ago and I regret it tbh. I would have rather had a 4070 because of DLSS. With my 6950xt I only have FSR which is less than mediocre video quality and native isn't even an option for me tbh.(I want frames) Tbh, I am even thinking about selling my 6950xt rn and buying a 4070, or even a 4070ti.

[@middlebean694]

@@mac-no4zd I have a 6950xt rn(for about a year now), and I must say that I would rather have a 4070 because of the video quality between FSR on the AMD cards, and DLSS on the 40series cards. I am even thinking about selling my 6950xt for a 4070 rn tbh

[@mac-no4zd]

@@middlebean694 thanks for the reply man, but ye i agree fsr on my 6600 is ass ik it’s not a high end card but it makes games unplayable for me because of the picture quality. I’ve decided i will get a 4070 because i play vr from time to time and amd has had problems for me when trying to play

[@groove269]

What a sell out , how much did they pay you to push this card? SMH

[@abram-green]

You have completely missed the point. Yes, I know, this is just a desperate bid from Micro Center to get rid of 4070s, but still. The worst part about this is that I fully agree with a lot of the stuff said in this video. You don't need 16gb of vram, power efficiency is good, and it is unacceptable that we're left with last gen's table scraps for AMD's offerings. Despite this 99% of people don't care. A good majority of people run ATX or MATX cases, and so that means that the cooling benefits of the 4070 is worthless compared to the 6950. On top of that, ray tracing is still extremely niche, and despite the desperate bid from Nvidia to push it, it's still only good on "cinematic" games, and less than worthless in everything else. At the end of the day, people care about raw performance. The issue now is that Nvidia and AMD are in a race to the top, with little regard for the products that people actually want. Both companies are being childish and petty, and both are terrible options right now. The shortage may be over, but this is still the worst time to buy GPUs. Wake me up in a year when people still haven't bought the 4070 and prices are rock bottom because companies just want to be rid of these things.

[@iamnizorro9781]

The whole problem is that people don't want to and, in my opinion, shouldn't buy cards that are only good enough "RIGHT NOW". People should be buying cards that will last more than 2 years before needing a replacement. Especially since the 3070 and the 4070 both are capable of running games at a higher settings for a later games as long as there is enough VRAM to support it. The power of these cards are great, but the low VRAM is there as a way for nvidia to keep up with their planned obsolescence...

[@calebsmith7179]

Nvidia does have such a card, but it costs $1600 on the low end and $2,000+ on the high end.

[@davidszep3488]

I did downgrade from a 2060 super to IGP, and i couldnt be happier, skyrim running like a dream in 1080p low settings. We all know 12GB vram will not be enought 1-2 year later...so stop trying sell it for us.

[@cotasa]

I got a 6800xt new for $499. 16gb vram, 100w less than 6950xt and same performance of the 4070

[@freespeech3608]

seen many of your videos but this is the first one where you sound like a sales man. 😁

[@wrusst]

AMD's fault for the 4070 being overpriced. Thats some weapons grade cope there . Id probably just power limited or under volted the system and still got similar performance without switching parts out .

[@ot7302]

What did i just watch 😂

[@daviddamasceno6063]

Guys, no... just don't. Make a Raid Shadow Legends sponsored video if you need the money. We understand. But this!? No, just... just don't.

[@volt101x]

12GB is actually more than enough for modern gaming..... 16GB is more of a future proof setup

[@martingo2680]

It depends on the game. I play resident evil remake, maxing out the settings will use all 16gbs.😢 And of course it reduces the frame rates. Still it's playable.. but at times you can feel the struggle. So it really does depend on your game.

[@GRForm]

Just play Diablo IV. Even 24 GB VRAM gets filled up.

[@Naughtydudedavid]

Bullshit. In 1080p it's almost fair, but in 2K it starts to suck. Not talking about 4k... Speaking of upcoming games, Starfield, Next Tomb Raider, GTA 6, will require A LOT MORE THAN A 4070...

[@alexandreporter705]

I like this channel but this video gave me a "sponsored by Nvidia feel", even if everything you said is true, and I know that is, it is super easy to believe that this video is sponsored.

[@backfischritter]

Amd wants to sell a new 8gb card as well. Ypu are ware of that right?

[@geardawg1358]

Interesting video, it is very easy to see what the driving force of this video was.

[@JustSomeDude31]

I don't agree the 4070 does not need 16GB VRAM. Yes if games are better optimized you could argue that the traget performance of a 4070 class card does not require 16gb VRAM persé. However the existence of lower than 16GB VRAM cards does require game developers to optimize for lower vram cards, which is a time consumptive task to begin with. Which can be better spent on other game development aspects than optimization for lower end vram options. When lower end cards which target a lower end performance tier have more VRAM, they still target those performance levels they intend to do, except they can handle higher quality textures as well. So the performance roughly stays the same but the actual graphics quality will go up just by having more VRAM. And developers don't have to spend as much time optimizing for lower end VRAM options.

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

we're not buying GPUs for developers to be lazy. a 3080 10 GB is still faster than 6800xt at 4k and 1440p, without raytracing, so if VRAM matters 6800xt should've been beating 3080 now.

[@JustSomeDude31]

​@@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184 It's not about being lazy, it's about technological advancement pushing what developers are able to do. When a developer has to work 2 extra years on a game just for optimizations of lower tier hardware, it is not only negative for a developer but also for a consumer. VRAM has nothing to do with the "speed" of a card. Speed and graphical performance are two different things. Now 3080 10gb has less graphical pefromance than a 6800XT even though the 3080 might be faster. However lack of VRAM can cause slowdowns nonetheless, depending on the graphical settings you choose.

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

@@JustSomeDude31 if they were able to fix it in just 2 weeks there's no way they need 2 extra years in optimizing the game. Can you show me that 3080 has worse graphical performance than 6800xt? Cause the only thing I've seen worse is FSR 2 compared to DLSS 2 in 1440p. Textures are one who mostly use the VRAM as many as possible, and there's not a single guy pointed that 3080 looks worse than a 6800xt on 4k, hell that's actually the opposite because you'll be using DLSS/FSR on both cards. Funnily enough, hardware unboxed had to stop benchmarking certain game because 6800xt just can't run it as he said on his 6800xt vs 3080 comparison.

[@JuanTorres-gn2ss]

facts rtx 4070 12gb ti version 16gb and 4080 maybe 20 but i guess 16 is fine

[@JustSomeDude31]

@@JuanTorres-gn2ss I can only see viable options for nvidia's line up if the prices drop substantially. A 4080 16GB (current one) a 4080Ti 20GB and then the 4090 24GB (current one) and maybe even a 4090Ti 32GB. As for AMD, 7800XT at 20GB, 7900XT 20GB (current one) 7900XTX 24GB (current one) and perhaps if they manage to create a 7950XT at 24GB and a 7950XTX at 32GB. (and every other lower tier card starting at 16GB for both nvidia and amd, but prices are what need to come down in all ranges to make the so called current high prices in line with what they should have been in the first place.) Edit: and then there is a baseline of 16 to 24 gb VRAM with 32GB for the enthausiasts. Which eventually will be within a more substantial baseline for the game developers needs in the not so far future.

[@mikem2253]

This is why I bought a 7900xt with a glorious 20gb of vram. Until Nvidia wises up and get their vram game in line, I won’t be a consumer of theirs.

[@lewis571]

This is inconsistent reviewing. You were bashing the RTX 4070 and now praising it in a span of two weeks... Someone been given a big cheque... Unsubscribed.

[@ImperialDiecast]

coincidentally 4070 sales are so bad that i wonder of tech reviewers are getting "encouraged" to make new videos praising them.

[@dannygavin9458]

I always use to be a pc guy, but the prices for 40 series are too stupid. I bought a ps5 and switched to mac book pro for work. Gaming on pc isn’t worth it anymore.

[@saadneo30]

Nvidia though by paying this guy would help selling the 4070. Hence they just announced cutting it off 😅

[@Amfibios]

Nvidia = free marketing to MS and Sony. They must have sold a crap ton of consoles because of this greed.

[@geracervantes2362]

look like the your use case is a niche within a niche of this hardware enthusiast hobby that we are in. Thanks for the benchmarks and for validating that buying my 6950xt was the right move.

[@backfischritter]

Dude why are us still running around on yt trying to validate you purchase. Just have fun with your card.

[@geracervantes2362]

@@backfischritter i'm not actively looking for video reviews for personal validation, i just saw an interesting video and got a "look at that, i did the right purchase " moment

[@TroyEdinSammyWinchester82]

​@@backfischritter you must have been watching this video during your reply. You copied this guy word for word. Have some originality man.

[@Psyopcyclops]

Using a time period with a massive crypto boom and a pandemic as proof of what a card is “worth” to consumers is an absurd premise. They were largely being bought up by crypto miners because they could make their money back on them. When a product has a ROI built into it, and doesn’t just play games, it’s an entirely different product for an entirely different demographic.

[@AustnTok]

I downgraded my 3080 Ti to a 4070. I already have a 4080 in my main rig so top of the line performance in my 2nd PC wasn't what I needed. I replaced the 3080 Ti with the 4070 FE because the 4070 has AV1 encoding, it uses 150 watts less than the 3080 Ti with very close performance, and it has DLSS3 and Frame Generation. Plus, my 3080 Ti is kind of sentimental and I'd rather keep it knowing it works. All in all, the 4070 impresses me. A lot. It impresses me because the 4070 Founder Edition is the same size as the 3060 Ti and 4060 Ti, and it also runs at up to 200 watts just like the 3060 Ti also runs at 200 watts. So the 4070 is the same size and wattage as a 3060 Ti but it performs almost neck and neck with a 3080?? Thats impressive. I don't care what anyone says. Should it cost $599? No. Thats pretty expensive. but I can and do recommend the 4070 to anyone building a new PC. the 12gb of VRAM will be good for a few years to come. 12gb of VRAM isn't great. but its enough

[@SirTE0]

I agree with most of what you said but we can't spend 600$ for 30fps in The Witcher 3 (1440p, RT On). This is a 350$ card for 1080p (RT On).

[@AustnTok]

@@SirTE0 wait what card are you talking about? you said $350 card but the 4070 isn't $350

[@SirTE0]

@@AustnTok I'm just saying the RTX4070 should cost $350 (this is its real value).

[@AustnTok]

@@SirTE0 oooooh. Sorry, I misunderstood. But yeah, I agree. The 4070 should've been called the 4060 Ti 12gb

[@markojovanovic6928]

No, I don't want to target 1440p high with a 600$ card. I want 4k 60fps high with upscaling, I want a better than ps5 experience with a pc that costs twice as much as a console

[@enzookz8901]

I think hardware unboxed put it really nicely, phrasing them "Having more vram is beneficial because texture quality that doesn't have a performance impact, depend entirely on vram and even when your card starts getting older you can crank the texture to the max and lower other settings with the game still looking incredible due to highly detailed texture, increasing the life span of the card"

[@chalpua8802]

You will 100% need the VRAM for 1440p high refresh gaming in the future. The 6950XT will outlast the 4070.

[@jackcartier7508]

least obvious nvidia fed

[@informedchoice2249]

It doesn't offer unprecedented performance for a 70 class card. In fact, it's less of a leap than previous iterations. It's also $100 more than the last 70 card. This is nonsense.

[@marcchapleau8343]

The RTX 4070 is a great GPU if you think "short term" and you play at 1080p for the next 2 years the games that were released before 2023. If you play at 1440p and plan to play the new games that will release now, then prepare yourself to use mid to low quality settings. till you're gonna upgrade to at least 12 go VRAM at 1080p and 16-20 gb vram at 1440p. More and more new releases need a minimum of 12gb VRAM at 1080p. Its a fact.

[@jendrizzyy]

What's wrong with 1080p lol

[@marcchapleau8343]

@@jendrizzyy When you try a 1440p display, you wont ask that question anymore. Even now at 1080p, more and more game tittles have some vram issues and bandwith limitation with a RTX 4070. The game just cant load all the textures properly. In 2023, any GPU with 8 gb vram is a waste of money. NVIDIA is forcing me to buy AMD GPU because RADEON just have more VRAM. What's the point with retracing if you lack of VRAM to do the job? Your GPU wont be able to deliver its potential. Its a stupid move from NVDIA.

[@jendrizzyy]

@@marcchapleau8343 sadly they don't make enough white monitors to satisfy that need for me, ASUS did bring out a nice one recently but price point is a bit high, black monitor won't go with my set up ;)

[@marcchapleau8343]

@@jendrizzyy If you think that VRAM and bandwith is no more relevant in your gaming enjoyment then the color of your monitor, apparently, you know nothing about hardware specs.

[@joedoe2120]

nothing short term about the 4070 it will last a very long time no doubt.

[@Excadinator]

15:50 Americans: I knew it, I'm not fat, I'm size constrained!

[@stratonarrow]

I picked up an open box 4070 for $479 and I’m blown away. And I didn’t even have to upgrade my 650w PSU.

[@alberta3157]

for that price everyone would be above the sky, congratz on the great deal

[@starvader6604]

i think you meant $579.. $479 is kinda 🧢

[@glens18account]

@@starvader6604 I just got a 4070 ti for $695. Deals like this can happen under certain circumances like needing to clear inventory or something.

[@cheetahfurry9107]

I was just watching the video and I got the gigabyte windforce 4079 for 479 at bestbuy 2 weeks ago. It’s been a great card and crushes my old 2060 6gb.

[@TherD0001]

UFD's lickin' some shoes rn. More sponsorships I guess?

[@ABAviation747]

I used to be a Nvidia fan. My pc has a Nvidia 1660 rn and its working like a charm. But I’m looking for upgrades now and I’m going to consider a 6800xt now rather than a nvdia graphics kart

[@BadCodPlaya]

Just bought one bud and is better than my 2070 super it replaced. Just amd's streaming codec sucks vs Nvidia on obs imo

[@nonsuspiciouscolour]

@@BadCodPlaya Nvidia on top for content creation and streaming

[@macus23]

That card is what I am looking at too. I think as a community we need to tell Nvidia to do better. This isn't the mining boom anymore...

[@thatguy3000]

@@BadCodPlaya It's better for pure gaming though.

[@GoodboiOfficial]

kind of sad how you didn't disclose to us, that nvidia paid you lots of money for that review

[@Havanu81]

8gb for high texture settings without RTX, sure. but ultra textures and RTX? That going to be a problem for quite a few upcoming titles that rely on the consoles' dedicated decompression hardware, even with FG.

[@siema14123]

I downgraded from 1060 6gb to 4070 and dont regret it