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[@TheComebackKids]

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they are destroying the game so people will stop playing it and go to their new expansion

[@brianhorak5605]

LFM Ashen incursion. Have mount know route. Checking logs!

[@SqueeGodX]

Im waiting for that 😂

[@timothyhanlin1391]

The reason I stopped playing people ruined it for me I dont get to raid because I haven’t had the chance to raid. Its like a fucking job hiring but you don’t have experience even though you have raiding experience no one wants to explain a simple boss mechanic

[@10buchac]

Don't forget to have the inclusion weakauras you casuals 😂

[@noonesp3cial]

​@timothyhanlin1391 the game literally requires you to be complete loser irl.

[@esarms2092]

I tried doing no gatekeeping last phase and it was terrible grps almost always wiped on e6000 and menagerie. Realized how much easier it is when you gatekeep based on parses

[@Moons_Tear]

I really Miss new tabards at SOD, a Emerald Wardens and a Wayland Supply tabbard would be Dope!

[@DudeeSweet]

Little things like a tabard for getting exalted with one of the Desolace tribes are one of the things they could add and up their spawns. It'll encourage people to farm somewhere and likely PvP in between. I did enjoy spawning at the chained STV healers rather than spending half an event corpse running

[@Alicealexandra4]

What happened to the days we gz'd everyone on every level up they had, everyone was always happy it seemed. Phase 1 was bis.

[@amelio5720]

Levelling is so fast now with xp buffs its not worth gzing anyone, levelling has effectively been removed from SOD.

[@iCubicable]

Its a totally different mindset on private servers. People actually talk, imagine that

[@Alicealexandra4]

@iCubicable I actually started on private server last year and honestly it was way more community and a lot of fun and why i fell inlove with the game like many others. That's why I was excited and happy at the beginning of sod because it reminded me of that. I've definitely thought about trying another private server again tbh.

[@SAMGB4H]

LFM ST, checking pre nerf, nerf logs and only accepting degens with 1000+ dps

[@daltonnelson94]

Not a fan of overly challenging raids in SoD. I want to play meme specs, goof off with my friends, and collect loot.

[@awe6376]

Yep, I don't think people play classic for the "challenge" especially in vanilla, which SoD is based on.

[@user-ym5ot7oc8w]

I wouldn't call raids that are cleared within 24-48 hours of release "overly challenging". Lol. I was able to pug clear ST day 2.

[@Neiji_SF]

@@awe6376You forget or were probably too young and didn’t play but people DID play Vanilla when raids were challenging and were exponentially more difficult when new raids came out.

[@Neiji_SF]

It took 69 days for Onyxia’s Lair to be cleared. 154 days for Molten Core’s first clear. 77 days to clear BWL. 113 days to kill C’thun. And 90 days to clear Naxx. But let a raid in SoD not be cleared in a day and everyone loses their mind. Just goes to show that the generation of gamers are feeling more entitled and don’t want to put in the work it takes to get shit done. Their excuse: “I don’t have time.” Well, that’s a fuckin lie, you’re playing WoW. You have time. Another excuse: “well, I play classic because the raids were easy and laid back.” Yeah, after they have been nerfed, class talents revamped, everything theorycrafted inside and out, DPS so dumb that most boss mechanics can be ignored. You want an easy SoD experience? Come back in 15 years. 😂 for the players that don’t quit, they’ll figure it out for you.

[@awe6376]

@@Neiji_SF I did play in Vanilla, started a couple months late. I did raid Ony, MC, BWL, ZG and AQ20(I think once). And I can tell you, the raids weren't hard at all. This might have been different for AQ40 and Naxx, but those others weren't difficult. I was one of our "top" healers(in terms of heal output and mana efficiency) and in retrospective even I did a lot of things wrong. (missing/wrong enchants, wrong consumables, focusing one spirit/mp5 over +heal(priest), no worldbuffs and the list goes on. My friend was top 3 dps ... he played dwarf MS warrior. There were a lot of things why those bosses took so long to be down, e.g. when was even the first MC raid? Likely weeks into the game. How long took it to open the Gates of AQ? Preparing frost resistance gear for Naxx? Get consumables in general? You didn't have huge realms, so your playerpool was much more limited and had to work with what people you have. When you invented a tactic for a boss they where kept secret so other guilds don't copy your tactics and you got an advantage when recruiting new players. The you had hardware problems, which nowadays are basically are a non issue. Addons where much less widespread and less elaborated. Knowledge in general was way harder to come by and much less widespread. Like no wowhead were you could look up pretty much everything. Therefore people were just really really really bad, even from perspective from the past, but even more so from todays perspective. And the biggest thing those thing were all the level 60 endgame. We are now playing "Level-Up" raids, these are meant to be pugable, with random people, with suboptimal gear, low on consumable requirements. They NEED to be easy, if you want to be able to achieve above things. What they could do, is announcing the first 2 weeks raids will be overtuned on purpose to give hardcore players a challenge and after that they nerf it to make it pugable, but the only thing they said so far is something like this: "Top players will breeze though it, average player will struggle a bit" Just because it took a longer time to finish a raid, doesn't necessarily mean it was difficult. Games are also played way way way more efficiently nowadays. People stockpile everything to get an edge and so on.

[@bmmarti3]

I think the week 1 health level’s were put in on purpose to challenge the world first guys. Now that world first is over they are trying to actually tune it to where they originally intended. That said, I’m in support of the raid nerfs. It was not realistic for the average WoW player to do in a Pug group.

[@QurikOfficial]

This is a good strategy to give the sweats something to do while 98% of the populations is still enjoying leveling content. Plenty of time to nerf overtuned content to a reasonable state. I'm pretty upset they nerfed BRD though. I had the best time fighting level 54-57 fire elementals to get to the bar. THAT, was fun and rewarding, nerfed for the plebs just like a retail dev would do.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@QurikOfficial you enjoyed picking up reports and dreamengine for 4 hours untill 50? xD

[@larewt]

@@akhsdenlew1861it beats running around killing mobs for low drop rate items for way longer. It was honestly a nice change of pace because it was pretty brain off but also very fast so I got to go do the other things I actually wanted to do. I also used it to level an alt and get the full 6 set on him which is great because I didn’t play it in phase 3 so it’s gear was stupid bad lol

[@Fridolin.745]

The latest wave of nerfs was just killing all the fun out of it. What's the point of a 20man raid that is basically as easy as a LFR? Every boss is dead within 1-3min? Really dissapointing considering the bosses were really not "hard" but at least felt rewarding because it took long, like in og vanilla. I am nowhere near a tryhard but we downed first boss under 1minute and it felt so dumb.

[@user-gr3jd2fi1h]

You give the devs way too much credit. What’s more likely is that it wasn’t tested properly before release.

[@Richard00H]

Not a fan with what the dev team did with SoD. Leveling brackets have become like mini retail expansions. Classic+ was supposed to be additional things to do at max level with some quality of life updates. They blew past that and went full retail mode with minimal quality of life changes. We got the tedious rep grinds and quests of Classic with the pacing of retail. Classic content is now irrelevant. They managed to make original questing and dungeons irrelevant. Now all there is to do is do the new stuff like the rep grinds and quests for the new items and runes. Original quest and dungeon items at these brackets are now obsolete.

[@derace1987]

well its seasonal and the phases are short what did you expect?

[@Xorzun]

@@derace1987 It's not ridiculous to expect that the original vanilla gear would atleast remain somewhat relevant. The way they've designed the new content, makes 99% of the old content a waste of time.

[@Burlehmangus]

@@Xorzun yea, as much as i have been enjoying SoD, i do agree that i thought the gear progression would be horizontal, including the raids...like BFD would give the same level gear the BFD og dungeon did, just with cool new procs etc

[@bmc3301]

I feel like player base is increasingly degenerate with this phase. Can’t put my finger on it, but this phase just doesn’t feel good

[@josipmarasovic2436]

same feeling from start p1 was still best even tho im playing shadow and p2 was awesome for me still to much shit to farm i just cant do it

[@Chrenno]

The idea of SoD is nice imo but players ruined it for me honestly now i m back on wotlk and waiting for cata.. kept my hunter at lvl 46 in sod didnt bother to lvl 50

[@timothyhanlin1391]

I commented on another post but I have to say it’s the sweats in the community sulking up this game and creating this sense of Sweats vs. Casual. It’s to the point where it’s you no life it for a couple weeks or your behind massively

[@ButtButt-lf1db]

Yeah me and all friends quit. Not even about it being good or bad, it's just the principal at this point. Incursions were the final nail in the coffin for this company as far as I'm concerned

[@yegor6763]

Had the same feeling since P1. I quit because of it as it was just not enjoyable to play with this community. Private servers seem to be way better though with people who actually enjoy the game for what it is.

[@dudeerino2226]

The difference with SoD difficulty and retail or classic is the very short time windows each phase and raid has to be worked on and farmed by guilds. Blizz has to make sure most guilds can clear within enough time to then farm before the next phase is coming down the barrel.

[@xcheater14]

They need to make it easy to PUG

[@JordanG2024]

They’re leveling raids as well. I presume level 60 content they’ll have a lot more reign to create challenging content to separate the casuals from the hardcore player base.

[@Pennyforathought]

Phase 3 is challenging because at this point, burnout should surely be hitting even the most passionate of players. Coupling that with the initial chaos that results from no PTR and us doing the beta testing, this phase might feel like a flop. I think if folks are not liking it, back off for a bit/until next phase, and come back for level 60 content stronger for it. In the meantime, come here for updates to stay relevant! (That advice is also my plan!)

[@dave88861]

Love this take as opposed to everyone else just bitching, whining, moaning and complaining like entitled little brats.

[@Pennyforathought]

@@dave88861 I think most gamers will arrive at a similar take, problem with comment sections is you typically only see the build up of emotion and not the positive result that follows! WoW has lasted as long as it has because it’s core people take breaks when burnt out and then return. (but boy do we complain first haha)

[@austinrychlik4961]

If this was retail, id say too fast on the nerf. This is seasonal though with only 10 lockouts for this raid. Gatekeeeping it from the casuals this version of the game was intended for is the opposite of what the WoW team envisioned for this. "Arcade style raids" isnt progression raiding, so yes nerf it. To make it unpuggable kills any casual players desire for the season. Was hard enough to pug gnomer on a fresh toon with no logs, let alone logs being the deciding factor if you get an invite is not good for SoD. Its supposed to be fun and easy, ghats from the developers mouths.

[@esarms2092]

I feel like gatekeeping is necessary especially with how bad some people are. Tried no gatekeeping in p2 and majority of grps i had wiped on e6000 and menagerie some even disbanded.

[@Kryxian]

@@esarms2092 I was in group that disbanded in P3 on last boss, had no problem in P2 btw, join randoms and I have to tell you the nerfs that they are doing are not enough, people struggle in Gnomeragan in P3.

[@Superkwaji]

What you mean 10 lockouts people are gonna be raiding this at 60

[@derace1987]

@@Superkwaji why? theres hardly anything special in it thats better then mc stuff?

[@esarms2092]

@@Kryxian groups that do a slight bit of gatekeeping have had 0 problems clearing in my experience and it takes like 15 more minutes to find someone decent

[@jimmyhopkins4095]

nah, i dont think people looking for a super challenging raid, i dont have the time to wipe on that shit for hours

[@weeb1854]

No one is saying super challenging… if you can’t comprehend to walk into a puddle so you don’t get one shot then you probably don’t deserve to raid lol

[@ScubaStephen]

Agreed

[@Neiji_SF]

This guy thinks avoiding one or two mechanics is SUPER challenging 😂😂😂 and doesn’t have time. Anyone who plays WoW and also says “i don’t have time.” is a lie 😂

[@derace1987]

@@weeb1854 well but this is a lvl 50 raid and at best it should be a bit challenging. Which for the average player still is. Of course people who play the game since 20 years and now every raid its piss easy.

[@janhst97]

Blizzard think its already endgame

[@k1ller1nc]

They need to add more ways to get the waylaid supplies rep. I havent seen a box drop in weeks....

[@Alicealexandra4]

Yeah why did the completely stop dropping p2 and now p3. I've only seen 2-3 drop the last month and everyone rolls need lol

[@thebenis3219]

I have legit seen two boxes since the P2 change man. I gave up hope a long time ago

[@Burlehmangus]

yea i was wondering this too! done tons of dungeons and open world content...and ive gotten 1 box

[@Overblazer]

HP of a raid boss being insanely high is not a difficulty scaling it is just a snoozefest and time waster, the nerfs are great, this is classic let me enjoy some nice mechanics and the fellas I'm playing with

[@belavet]

Keep in mind that if the HP into low, that translates to avoiding mechanics. We saw plenty of examples of this in classic (not just sod) raids, and even some in gnomer and BFD. I think 4m hp was stupid high, just saying there needs to be some level of balance. If I had to guess, they just threw a dumb number out there in fear that things would be way too easy again. And, as it turned out, the number was way dumb lol.

[@Overblazer]

@@belavet Didnt say make their hp too low but at some point people will outgear the content and it is fine

[@TySoVm]

It's seasonal. You dont want people not clearing the raid for 3-4 weeks, then 2 or 3 lockouts later, next phase...

[@tacticalchili]

Nerfs were needed with 1 lockout a week. The chance of coming back with the same 20 people to progress on 2 bosses with only 8 lockouts is very slim.

[@ironbull3894]

I've maybe played phase 3 for 30 minutes. Got ganked at the ashenvale nightmare incursion nonstop.

[@mithicash1444]

Problem number 1, you play on pvp server when you clearly aren't suited for a pvp server.

[@unholydead9513]

I leveled from 41-50 by running around in a circle 30 times. Super fun

[@shakyrob6512]

And since there is two level 50 ones... Expect the same next phase to 60

[@michaelgraceffa7197]

Where at?

[@ScubaStephen]

You're not mad though, right?

[@unholydead9513]

@@ScubaStephen idk it was pretty boring. just inventory sorting simulator

[@michaelgraceffa7197]

@@unholydead9513 where at?

[@jamespadgett8660]

While I generally agree with your take on raid difficulty, the loot in ST doesn't warrant such a spike in difficulty. There are some OK pieces, but most melee weapons are garbage to pre raid options since they have terrible weapon speeds. The itemization is off too, with these stats barely being better than Gnomer gear.

[@belavet]

My guess is that they don't want to make it so that 60 raid stats are so busted that they don't know where to take them. Truthfully, BFD was the single biggest jump in heat quality I think we might ever get.

[@mithicash1444]

I was thinking that about my BiS ranged weapon. The 50 bis is only a 20% base dmg increase compared to the 40bis weapon.

[@Burlehmangus]

@@mithicash1444 it has to be......with runes and new ranks, plus stats being absolutely insane compared to what they previously were, were already facing insane levels of creep. people are doing 2k+ dps at level 50....people were only doing 700-1200 dps in NAXX 40 in classic. if gear keeps increasing at an insane rate, along with runes, etc, what do you think will happen when we set foot in mc/bwl/aq/naxx? even if they make them 20m, it'll be a complete joke. theyre going to have to rework some stuff already, but i think theyre trying not to have a complete rework.

[@Ben-ek6pj]

One thing I would love for the devs to notice is the degeneracy of the Arathi battleground. In phase 2 it was an amazing experience because everyone that played it, played it because they wanted to / for fun. Not because it was the most optimal way for grind honor. With the phase 3 blood coins now giving half the honor as they have given in phase 2, AB has become an afk clown fiesta. Every game there are at least 3-10 afks "defending" Farm/Stables. Whichever teams has more "valiant defenders" loses. Reporting seems to do nothing. @Devs: Please revert back to the phase 2 blood coin honor reward or actively punish afk behavior inside bgs.

[@theIssacStory]

this game is unplayable in phase 3. even on the off chance I get to an incursion layer that isn't dominated by horde, the damn thing sucks me into a layer that has nothing but horde on it. i was escorting someone in Ashenvale in a completely empty layer and watched the NPC disappear as I got sucked into a layer with about 50 horde. then I get killed 5 times just trying to get the incursion quests, much less being able to pick them up an actually do them. SOD was a good idea, but its clear at this point that there was no plan the devs don't know what they're doing. The raid is too hard to beat, the PVE event lets people collect thousands of gold and level to 50 in a matter of hours, leaving them to do nothing but grief everyone who wasn't logged in the first couple of days....there was clearly no plan for this and they are just grasping at straws at this point.

[@Burlehmangus]

alright a few things about your doom post. yes, there were problems that werent/still arent great. but open world/dungeon leveling was never much slower than incursions, and after only 3 days of incursions the nerf came in and dungeons/open world are now faster. the "thousands of gold thing" is way hyperbolic...it was more like 500g from 40-50, and that got nerfed in 8 hours. i went 41-50 and made less than 160g. thats less than i would have made just questing. The raid is easy as shit now after only 1 lockout and 2 nerfs. youre dooming about stuff that doesnt exist, and if it did, it was only for a couple days, in a version of the game that you came into knowing was essentially an open beta. seems like you just want to doompost for the sake of it, and arent ACTUALLY playing the game or know anything about whats going on.

[@JustinKenward]

So when P3 dropped I had to work. As soon as I heard the incursions are being used to cheese players way to max in like no time flat. I jumped on to SoD and.... avoided the incursions at all cost. I don't have fun cheesing my way to max in less then a day. I played the game as intended and am having a blast doing so.

[@shifterashtongue2684]

Also something else: checking the xp gains, the easy reputations the easy catchup mechanics the gold for everyone etc. THIS IS NOT a solution to your problems, the DEFINITION of an rpg is to GET BONDED WITH YOUR CHARACTER, sod (and wow lately) feels like DIABLO forcing me to play multiple characters or im losing on stuff like extra professions. the DEFINITION of what KEPT people playing for years is what they ACHIEVED on all those journeys. Sod is giving everything for free,literally weekly roulette for upgrades that are almost the same as ur last item, no flavorful ability altering sets, everything special is cosmetic. if i quit i wont miss stuff because i NEVER TRIED for that stuff. World of Altcraft..... is no rpg...

[@ChazzleDazzleVideos]

The 30 day restriction is absolute bull that is a restriction on a starterr account and it sucks, so if i went and paid the sub fee and still could not use parts of the game i would demand a full refund and the sub fee because you arebpaying to not be able to use the game. This has not affected me as i have played and had a sub since vanilla even when im not really playing i keep it in case i want to hop on and have fun pr chat with friends i have met over the years.

[@commandermilander4674]

Let us shamans pump brother stop snitchin xD

[@ScubaStephen]

Haha, frrrrr

[@Neiji_SF]

Y’all are self snitching by uploading your logs and giving Blizzard analytics to look at 😂

[@vampiricalchemist]

I agree on raid difficulty, once we get to endgame raids. Not for level up raids lasting only 2 months. Youd have to do heavy preraid prep for each alt, on a raid that will only be relevant... what? 8 lockouts.

[@je213]

I've recently convinced my sister to try out SOD and she hasn't played since the original wotlk and she effected by the AH and trading restrictions... it's like they don't want returning players. And yes this is her original account from back then.

[@i.t.5291]

Bosses are now fine for an average guild like mine. They even have to nerf the mobs HP more cause my members are complaining that the raid is taking too long complete. It took us 3 and a half hours to clear ST on the first reset on Tuesday.The age range of my guild members is from 20 to 40 years old. Most of them have a job, girlfriend and some of them even kids. People want to clear ST for less than 2 hours!

[@da6odfather]

11:55 They needed to lower the health. There is no doubt we are strong, especially for level 50's. However these bosses had as much health as Naxx Bosses, a 40 man level 60 raid. We're 20 level 50's. I'm all for tough fights, I spent 2 hours a night for a full week on just Lich King before the damage buff in ICC. But we also need to remember this is a seasonal casual game mode. This mode was designed around the people who wanted to play the old game they loved with a new twist. Not for the people who play this game 14 hours a day 5 days a week. There's also a difference between difficult mechanics and a health sponge, learning a fight and winning after you figured it out is fun. Knowing the fight and having to spend 6-10 mins to just bring down his health is not. Difficulty should be about mechanics, not "double it's health and damage".

[@zc644]

Yep

[@seabhacgra517]

One of the biggest issues I have with the epic crafting questline is that it's gated behind raid progression. We'd cleared the first few bosses in ST and my questline to investigate ST by the guy in the cave still won't complete. Someone said on a forum you have to clear the first 6 bosses and considering we are a casual guild and the current difficulty of the raid I just shrugged and decided that I won't be able to do epic crafting for a while.. feel free to correct me if anyone knows different! :) - Also exceptionally dissapointed with how hard casters have fallen in DPS.

[@chc2650]

You can join a cleared raid one week just for the quest.

[@ryangraper]

All you have to do is kill the fordt 2 dragons. It was bugged that it didn't show quest complete but it is. Go to itharius and turn it in

[@Thatwowguy22]

You finish the investigation quest after you kill the first 2 dragons. It’s not the 6th boss it’s the room where you fight tthe 3rd and 4th boss

[@jslaughter95]

the crafted gear is literally meant to be BiS, if your guild is casual why do you need to have it immediately? and it's literally week 2 bro, have some patience

[@zombiebolt4202]

thanks for the update

[@MaldonadoFamily-lo8cn]

im a keep it 100% these are lvl up raids that ar relavent for 2 months max and for us dads that get to play 5 hours a week if were lucky realy dont like getting gear after the fact every time were lvlng up cuz we need logs and consums and per bis and 4 hours to prog just to get into a group when its curent content. phase 1 was great

[@strionkeyphor7705]

having incursions on a daily lockout will make it feel even more like a chore or mandatory feeling like you cripple your leveling by not going there once a day to do it

[@blinktq1579]

It's not just brand new accounts it's if you let your sub expire and you resub. Which is what I do. Blizzard fix this shit

[@Kemachris]

Nothing to fix. Bots often use hacked accounts aswell.

[@Burlehmangus]

@@Kemachris lol that doesnt matter. It doesnt make it the answer. So my personal bank just changed from Visa to mastercard...theyre sending out new cards to everyone and failed to send the first couple batchess to a lot of people, so were going like 3 weeks without cards, and that overlaps my sub time. this kind of stuff happens to a LOT of people. So those people and myself, or just people who take a break for a month because they cant afford, get punished for half of an entire phase during a once in a lifetime version of WoW, making it nearly unplayable, simply because sub dropped for a couple days? This is beyond fucked up, and youre a goon for thinking its normal/okay.

[@XPISTOS-ANESTH]

Let's put it like that in glad i quit in second phase still first phase got special place in my heart.

[@tokdavid]

I think one way of solving resto shamans healing issues would be making healing rain a bit stronger. Also making earth shield way better so it can compete with SR as they share rune slot. That would make resto shamans more interested in taking mana tide totem. As it is now we dont really need it.

[@H-D-D]

I healed the other night as resto shaman. I cant imagine using healing rain over overload where my , lesser, healing wave and chain heal has a 50% chance to heal again for 50%... healing rain does bad healing... and with all the moving players will just walk out of it... its not a good ability to build tier sets around

[@zc644]

Agreed, never was a fan of it and the healing is weak

[@esqueejy]

Keep in mind that alot of the rankings, especially healing, is heavily dependent on mechanics. Having to keep moving all the time to avoid things or not stand in stupid heavily favors classes that do not have to stand still to cast everything.

[@krucible9369]

Is it Classic + or Retail - ?

[@shamusfamous8520]

Even after performing, 7 hours 40 to 50 300 gold, gear set

[@trevsguitarstash4967]

Incursions are a major disappointment for so many reasons. Thought it was instanced... The content itself had all the fun min maxed out of it with tons of ppl only doing 1 quest type, running around, ignoring mobs..its a mess and absolutely not fun at all. And because it's the best way to level, at ALL LEVELs, it kills the prior fantastic LFG Dungeon community... now we only do 5 man dungeons as a 10 man raid to get wild offerings. Blizz probably thought wild offerings would help keeps lvl 50s in dungeons helping others level for their own gain , but nope we min maxed that as well. This phase sucks and im sad to say it.

[@robertpickerill7596]

After the Friday maintenance, I was unable to send mail, post, or buy off ah or trade for over 24 hours. I've been playing wow since classic came back.

[@simonramos5553]

The difficulty is fine if the phase is 6 months or longer. The problem is there’s so much to enjoy in SoD and no time. Play multiple different specs on all classes? Why not, we’re here to discover

[@TheBull300]

"The problem is there’s so much to enjoy in SoD and no time." can you lety me know what there is to do in SOD because I am trying to find something to do since phase 2

[@larewt]

@@TheBull300grinding the rep for the insane exalted items. That ring is better than most trinkets that existed in classic. Wild gods farm for more loot. Doing the dungeons to get the upgraded loot. Going through the world to discover your runes. Doing the STV event for the upgraded items. The ashevnale event got moved to a daily so it’s great for getting the wsg rep if you hadn’t done it yet or on an alt. Leveling your professions to max at 300. Some of the professions items sell for tons of gold. Then there’s the raids. Sunken temple is fun. Seeing how few people it takes to clear gnomer is also fun. With the increased level speed I also have enjoyed leveling alts and getting to try some of the runes and playstyles out that I didn’t have time to do in the previous phases. If none of that interests you that’s alright too.

[@michaelwood3922]

the big complaint i have for holy paladins is we got 1 rune this phase (technically 2 but both are for helm and lights grace still hasnt been fully solved)

[@tacticalchili]

**Incursions** On PvP servers please put level 70 guards around the quest turn in to discourage pvp during pickup and turn in. Also please consider placing the quest giver in Ashenvale on an elevated pedestal that is unobstructable by players and their mounts.

[@Veile91]

I'm affected by this. Long time wow player just created a new account. First days were just normal then it changed to my disadvantage...That's so rude and uncool. Your bags fill up with stuff and you can't send it to a bank alt, you can't list it on the auction house you can't trade it to friends ... Just a very dumb decision at least mske real players get around it somehow...

[@mithicash1444]

I think characters should have a level threshold where that restriction is lifted at the very least. They say they try to combat bots and gold purchasing, so forcing them to level to say 40 or 50 should at least make it much harder without hindering new players that much. It's stupid because I was 40 within a week of my new account and level 50 for almost a week before the restriction went live. Now at raiding level 50 I am locked from ant interactions with other players for another 10 days... No consume, no gold grinding, no gear trades. Can't even send a letter with plain text, no items or gold.

[@ASample-uy5qw]

As a warrior main I knew we would be back towards the top near the end of SOD. I even managed to pull off 800 dps on morphaz and hazzas WITHOUT wind fury.

[@Alejandro_87]

What spec you using?

[@Warchrist]

@@Alejandro_87 the dreamist

[@C-wey]

1:53 Blizz's answer is "surely, your account is less than 30 days old" This is simply not the case everytime, and it's discouraging that they brush over full accountability. We had several guild members who have much older accounts than 30 days who were restricted from trading/ah etc. They are obviously understaffed and rushing their work, implementing things without much testing or auditing. This is seen in many ways- some examples being: accidentally pushing /equipslot macros to 15/16 instead of 16/17, while the /use remained at 16/17. Glad stance is [stance:1] when the rune is applied, which pushes all other stances UP a number instead of making gladiator [stance:4]. This is breaking all macros that use [stance:1/2/3] forcing players to make entirely new sets of macros and swapping their buttons every time they swap boot runes (which is not fun to do in the middle of a raid). This has been a rushed implementation and it's unfortunate that blizz seems to under-invest in this product.

[@mithicash1444]

I have seen a couple of people saying that the restriction is not just for new accounts but for new subscriptions. They reported that they renew subs manually month to month which flagged them as "new" gametime. The only way to avoid it they said was to keep subs continuous. That might be the case with your guild. Additional option that nobody wants to admit is that those people in your guild could have used bots or bought things with RMT. Nobody wants to admit it, BUT it is much much more common than people realize. That is why they may have been flagged too.

[@C-wey]

​@@mithicash1444the month to payers would make sense, especially for who I am speaking of. It definitely wasn't rmt. The three that asked what was up with have no gold. If they bought gold i'd have seen proper consumes on them this week instead of last phase's and not heard them bitching about how expensive they were saying it seemed impossible to be spending 7g/mongoose

[@Bubajumba]

I wouldn't mind if it was challenging for longer but its good to remember this is level 50 leveling raids, we are not in endgame yet

[@cogglews]

The auction house limit has been sooo annoying to me. It's been a pain in the ass.. I'm level 43 and have two weeks left before I can trade and ah.

[@shifterashtongue2684]

About nerfs: i dont know what formula blizzard has on making something hard, the real deal is to make many people do specific things at a boss or the group wipes. Healers have to do that, dps have to do that, ranged have to do that, tanks have to move or swap etc.. different tactics for everyone that REQUIRE communication. Giving bosses too much damage and hp is not hard. Its just a frustration AND it reminds of RETAIL that you have "hardness MODIFIERS" like m+ or m raid that just scale up normal things and you hit stuff and you dont see hp move. 2nd: MAKE HARDMODE THAT DOESNT ALLOW WB OR CONSUMES(faps prot pots etc play a major role to tactics) if you want different type of hard

[@organix8979]

Another reason why locks are hurting is UA is not properly scaling as well as not snapshotting with haunt and the fact they full on nuked lake of fire making it a useless rune in single target and you no longer get the lake of fire buff to help rain of fire damage in AoE. Feelslockedman

[@corypadgett3350]

I heard a lot of people clearing are mainly on horde due to shaman stacking with shamanistic rage, making mana problems non existent, what comp are you running in your guild?

[@danb6551]

I think with a 7day lock out we need to be able to complete the raid. Especially when we are getting Bis and pre bis for the next phase from these raids

[@Neiji_SF]

I’m sure the people in 2005 classic felt the same way. 🙄 The instance has already been nerfed enough that if you’re not making any sort of progression, it’s personal responsibility. LEARN the fights, LEARN the already nerfed mechanics, and feel some sort of accomplishment when you complete the raid. Going forward, future raids shouldn’t be less difficult or even on the same level as difficulty that ST is on right now at its nerfed stage. Classic has spoiled everyone into thinking raids should be brain dead and should be completed in one day with no effort but forget that those raids came out 19 years ago and since then everything has been flushed out in terms of getting the most dps as possible to avoid raid boss mechanics.

[@bigbossadidoss8678]

@@Neiji_SFpersonally, I don’t have time to wipe on stupid stuff for hours multiple days on end.

[@Neiji_SF]

@@bigbossadidoss8678 The fact that you’re playing WoW shows that you have time. Stop with the excuses. Anyone who plays an MMO and says “I don’t have time.” clearly has fuckin time.

[@bigbossadidoss8678]

@@Neiji_SF I quit before p3 start actually. Because I just truly DONT have time. And tbh, no one should. What an absolute waste to spend every waking moment in a game like this.

[@Urteilsdrache]

Not only arcane has to move alot and losing AB stacks, balefirebolt still is bugged not getting the dmg increase from the AB stacks.

[@omgcrazykid]

The problem we are having is about blizzard screwing up royally and nerfing it days after release where people have already used and abused the mechanic… the damage has been done then they go to try and fix it which affects the casuals because everything is inflated so it’s impossible to do anything…. Certain things leave alone!!! You fix it same couple hours of release or not at all.

[@HealingHaven-333]

The new drop rate of nightmare seeds needs to be addressed and blizzard seems to listen to content creators. Doesn't matter that fresh accounts have 30 day probation, the moment seed drop rate was nerfed ppl immediately went to buy gold risking their main accounts. They are forcing the very thing they are trying to get rid of because no one is waiting 10-15 weeks to get shoulders + enchant, when now only 20 to maybe 30 seeds drop in a clear. Farming was an issue in gnomer but that isn't the case with them gated behind boss kills, no reason to nerf the drop rate so low that even the non gold buyers are now buying gold.

[@Sindragozer]

I would have liked for them to hold out on some of the sunken temple nerfs as well.

[@olivertoth5282]

Ranged hunters should be in the top 3.

[@chubbies55]

People couldn’t clear week one in lvl 50 gear OBVIOUSLY the cry babies are right and needs to be nerfed😂

[@Grawwler]

Ive tried to sell a nightmare card for ,4 days now. Starting to doubt its a moneymaker

[@jarebear8139]

Ret paladin: make divine storm holy damage 2. Hammer of wrath rune usable at 20% and reduces its mana cost by 80%. 3 hammers and you’re oom

[@MrOnePieceRuffy]

To not tune at least the 7th Boss would've been the much bigger misstake, especially if they just have "fixed" the chease like now, because it's still too much adds spawning and now this casting dragons spawn all over the room instead of one single place, with the chease tactics. Even they lowered the health, the boss itself got actually buffed, even with the health pool nerf.

[@bejeta7]

I agree with you on difficulty, except that these phases are only lasting 2 months. Difficulty reduces the reason to do them. Why struggle if I'll never get loot in time for the phase ends?

[@wutangfury9283]

Warriors are coming

[@Stallx99]

The mats for filling waylaid has gon up to the point you are losing gold. Unless you farm the mats for yourself ofc.

[@kyebaxter4825]

The raid *can't* remain more challenging because there isn't enough time per phase to do that. This isn't retail. Classic everything is a loot pinata. There is no reason to keep it hard.

[@onlygravity]

I truly think horde have such a different experience than alliance

[@dsinsocal]

The difference between the top and bottom healers is 100 HPS. The difference between the top and bottom DPS is nearly 500 DPS. Why is it so difficult to tweak a few abilities to close that DPS gap to about 200 DPS? Bring everyone to between 500 and 700 DPS. Oh, that's right... PvP screws everything up for PvE. I forgot.

[@joshuaiwanicki8685]

Looking forward to enjoying P3, only concern I have is adjusting the Ratchet rune. No reason this needs to be the same as P1 and needs to be adjusted

[@Thatwowchannel]

When are these changes in effect ??

[@MichaelMullins1014]

Priest rune surge of light is bugged. If PoM crits while I am mid cast flash of light it will remove the buff at the end of cast and not let me have the next cast instant cast. So I lose the proc

[@Afterhours.101]

"DRUID has a ton of healing absolute S tier" ya. when you have mana.

[@wessel31]

Innervate

[@YOUTUBE_CHRIS]

IDGAF what anyone says... I'd love to have barbersop and Transmog in SoD

[@GCatalinStefan]

Well, about Retribution Paladin... Feels again the spec is left out. 1. No fast weapon for our current playstyle. 2. The wrist slot is just too bad. Improved Hammer fo Wrath rune - Hammer of Wrath costs 1/4 of our mana pool so good luck spamming that. Purifying power - Reduces the Cd of Exorcism, which gets reseted anyway. Amazing! Holy Wrath costs 1/3 of our mana pool and does next to no damage. 3. At this point in time the Purifying Power and Glyph of Divine Storm can get swapped and Retri is actually going to be in a good spot for the rest of the expansion.

[@zoharielle]

Not sure that the warrior will scale so much, rage generation is already through the roof !

[@Jefftmartin189]

Fury warriors don’t have bloodthirst or impale yet, so yea rage isn’t an issue but those 2 talents are gonna shoot their power through the roof at 60, plus all the insane gear, warriors will be doing over 6k dps in MC is my guess

[@sydsweiner6516]

In regards to challenge. Thrash 1 shotting tanks isn't challenge, exploiting to have all adds spawn on the boss isn't challenge, 11min bullet sponge bosses are not challenge. If you want challenge then do retail mythic

[@belavet]

It's so weird gatekeeping where a person should be allowed to expect challenge. While I agree that some of these mechanics are dumb, why would you say to go to retail? The new phase dropped less than a week ago as of this writing. The doom and gloom people predict is just mind boggling. Say what you will, I think there should be some level of coordination and gameplay outside of just "Zerg boss really fast". Otherwise it's just another participation trophy.

[@sydsweiner6516]

@@belavet exploiting using a wall like every guild did is not a challenge. Random thrash 1 shots are unpredictable how is that a challenge?

[@MrGlogge]

If you want mindless zerg bosses go play vanilla

[@Apostolnixx]

@@MrGlogge or sod

[@TahitiSkeez]

18:00 I was doing 1000 HPS on the last few fights in ST on my arcane mage. You're right about arcane healer having the highest skill ceiling in the right hands. I can already tell you there's tons of hidden jutsu I guarantee most mages don't know about.

[@Kryxian]

and a guide on wowhead for mage healing is really bad, that is bigger reason for bad parses, than people might expect

[@brokkrgames2778]

Thoughts on the new announced MOP leveling content announced for retail client???

[@stehley07]

Rogues are back baby, now we can gate keep the raid

[@tommycoleman3680]

Hot Take - Most mmo's would be better without a player driven economy. No player to player trading. Make a dynamic auction house, similar to how the wow token works but with every item. Supply and demand moves the price up and down by a percentage.

[@codysneaux3538]

For years everyone asked for no PTR testing with raids and content. Now that we got it, everyone is complaining about it not being tuned properly.... One thing I hope the Devs can reign in is the spell effects of the new runes coming out. I know they changed the SPriest rune some to make it less....blobby....but that is one major turn off for a lot of people in retail. More spell effects doesn't always mean better. Keep it clean for Classic, especially since Classic enemy affects weren't designed for a giant hockey puck on the ground.

[@nachorealname5566]

Wait the crafted items effects that say nightmare work in the raid also not just the incursions area? That is way better then. I was going to skip making it.

[@mithicash1444]

I am a old player on a new account. I pushed my character to 50 in about 2 weeks. Then they pushed this out and I am locked for another 10 days or so assuming I have to wait until til my second billing cycle on my subscription. Well, I can't buy consumables or mats to level my professions eventhough I was able to do it fine the first 2 weeks of my play. This is really bad management by blizzards. My character is basically crippled for 2 weeks and it is exactly for the first 3 lockouts of my guild raids...

[@hitman01234567]

I think Blizzard are not owning up to a stuff up they made. I know a lot of the people that were having the issue that they were not able to Trade/Use AH or Mail, were account that have been active along time. I know that because i was one of the people affected was for only 2 days before they fixed it. My account has had an active Subscription since 2005, so in no way a new account.

[@daisyou812]

This is the first phase I dont have access to a guild every day so basically im pugging and doing all thr different events myself. Let me say i went the first night to incursions and by the time i was able to get in the game again 1DAY later it was a speed loop no kill had to have all quests to share just to join a group….😂 so I now see the difference when ur trying to figure out how to jump on a train already moving. So when running my alt i created a group and when new people would join i asked if anyone was new to the incursions or had questions took like 1 minute and we would contiinue no issues. Let me say there are no videos that explain that. What quests to discard what the loop is why….etc. it take one minute of kindness and u meet people some are even new to wow…. and yes, they speak english. So when u are “speeding” ur way thru content maybe the others that arent as fast might not mean they are trash.

[@zacharyklewin3603]

I think the nerf was warranted. I think any of the "level up" raids below 60, even when 50 is the cap right now, should be puggable, and ST was flat out unpuggable as it was. Also, post nerf ST is still harder than gnomer was. Only other change I think they actually need to make is more loot on bosses at 20m 1 lock out per week

[@davidherrera8528]

I’m still waiting to see if decay is better than sandstorm for melee hunter

[@Spiff-ht2sh]

Couple of points: Raid shouldn't be harder than what we have seen, the fall of retail was the stupid "challenge to good players" theory and fragmenting the raids into lfr/normal/heroic/mythic. The raid should be a fun activity where the challenge should be to get a group together. It should be a fun and fast activity for people having some time after school/work, not a second job where you have to have all buffs, enchants, top gear... and so on to be able to kill 1 boss. The challenge Gnomer and BFD have provided has been ok, gnomer last 2 bosses was maybe over tuned. This Sunken Temple tuning is just ridicules and should NEVER have gone live. It is so anti SOD and classic/vanilla as you can get it. Daily Quest: Those are so stupid, and they work the opposite of how you described. Adding daily q FORCE people to play everyday. I don't understand how people can argue that adding daily will reduce the amount played. What it is doing is only making it so that you have to LOG IN EVERY DAY TO DO IT... or you feel like you fall behind. Casual people will not be able to play every night and so they will feel like they fall behind a lot. If you want to reduce the amount played you should make the q give more rep. Then you have to play less. Speed of leveling, by increasing the speed at witch we level we are reducing the value of the world content. Fast leveling might be fun for alts but we are not experience the WoW world any more. Staying in incursion for 10 hours and hitting 50 is kind of stupid. Why couldn't they just add a NPC you talked to "Apply level 50!". Then we could "start to play the game" right away instead of staying in the incursion? That being said what is needed is shared rep gain for all character you play. Then you have to do the "boring" rep grind one time. And you can swap it up by doing part of it with different characters if you like. If the grind then is to short reduce the rep earned and give cool rewards. The need to start to think about how they can let people play more characters and specs on the same character without being penalized.

[@tharonchapman400]

Earth Shield and Water Shield should synergize so that Every 3rd Earth Shield charge consumed also consumes 1 Water Shield charge.

[@emberalus2229]

A way to buy runes that kind of suck to get would be nice but for some of the runes it's cool to do them atleast once and unless you play the same class as an alt it will be a new experience (for some of them only tbh tho).

[@Danjk100]

A BOA flight pat book for alts!! That’s way is needed next phase

[@UchihaDiablo]

It sucks that shaman weapon enchantment timer hasn’t gotten buffed

[@gscgold]

Well at least they're making an effort to do something about the bots in the game because holy hell, they are all over

[@jasonmorgan27]

Blizzard needs to get sued for bait and switch laws. If they that announcement first and part of TOC then great. But for people like me that already had their accounts for 2 weeks and then cut off at the knees it’s total bullshit. It cost me a raid spot in a top 3 guild because now I can’t buy req pots and level profs to raid. Blizzard is the very worst pos company out there. I PAYED real money when I signed up, this is terrible

[@davidullrich3677]

yep batshit insane

[@itsbalang1659]

Blizzard should add HC at this point (Only the rewarding cosmetics or mounts), at least that way parses and dads get same gear and there will be world 1st race hype too.

[@PigsxArexAwesome]

season of dads shouldn't have a boss with 4 million health. however free loot isn't fun. they need to find the line between pug friendly and not just a push over

[@Zugoon]

"ACTUALLY" SO GOOD XD

[@stevenbaffy7937]

I really do like how fast it was to level, even if it was a bit monotonous. I can always go back and do the quests for the rep / gold. I also really like that they included both PvP and a Rep set that are pretty close in power as a raid "starter" set. Hands down the best thing so far is the runes. I am slowly gravitating away from my Boomkin and towards my Rogue as a main. Boomie is fun, but I just love playing the rogue more. On that note, one thing that I was excited about that has been EXTREMELY underwhelming is the ranged runes. Also, I am not sure why they did not give us fan of knives, shuriken toss is garbage for an AoE...