UK CAA Drone Rules About to Change? It Affects YOU!

The UK CAA (Civil Aviation Authority) is calling for public input on proposed changes to the drone rules for all categorys of drone operation. Take a moment to have your say on the proposed changes before they are finalised!
The changes would affect both commercial and personal use of drones, and are currently under review by the CAA including possible changes to where you can fly sub 249g drones like the DJI Mini series. Your voice will be important in helping to shape the final rules!
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[@nua1234]

CAA needs to stop random local authorities making conflicting bylaws.

[@fraserthomson5766]

Right, they stopped my near a railway on private land and moved me on. Railway copper thieves have started using drones in the area, so I complied, but I thought railways were ok. Wrong. Drones are perfect for railways scenes. Sucks Essex police don't agree, although I should also blame the signal wire thieves too.

[@philldownes8685]

more mug you if you too kany notice of them. if your ona footpath you can fly your drone. forget about local bylaws 99.999% of them are not law and will never stand up ina court. plus dont tell anyone your name and they are completely fucked.

[@DimmyV]

How you interpret them is the key. They have no control over airspace not TOAL. TOAL is important here

[@fraserthomson5766]

TOAL?@@DimmyV

[@Bobscotman369]

@DimmyV TOTAL NOT TOAL I PRESUME!! DimmyV Mistakes are so easy on tiny screens,peace my friend x

[@cbartley100]

As someone once said - If responding to surveys made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it.

[@tojj29]

Didn't understand half of what they were asking. No wonder people get bloody confused.

[@johnnymac26]

same here mate

[@ToxicGamer86454]

“You can get involved and give your input” 😂 your naivety is so wholesome and cute.

[@aireboat7988]

Are you suggesting any "input" from the public will be ignored? 😨 Perish the thought. 😂🤣😂

[@denaco]

lol i know. it's just a formality they have to do by law. once that box is ticked, they will proceed to the next step and start penciling in he new rules that they had ready well before.

[@aireboat7988]

@@denaco yep...you got it.

[@kevindarkstar]

And it ironically hilarious to talk about "keeping our freedoms" when in only a few years those freedoms have been slashed and slashed again, basically we're begging for crumbs from the table of our masters, makes me sick 🤮

[@RobR386]

I've been into RC for over 30 years, been flying self built planes and multirotors for 10 years and have some very big drones, I have my A2 CofC, although majority of my flying is done in a field well away from anyone or anything. I will be participating in this review, because I'm very happy with the current category system. I've always said, if they want to "license" the hobby, make it like the amateur radio license, where each tier constitutes to a category. In amateur radio there's three license tiers, foundation, intermediate and full, each one has certain privileges, full giving you everything. I hold a full licence, but had to do the other two licenses to get there, but you learn a lot on the way.

[@SBvice]

They don’t actually want our opinion/input, they want to tick a box to say they asked for it. They have everyone’s (who registered) details, yet don’t bother sending out any information that this is happening ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@philldownes8685]

EXACTLY.. jus tdont bother taking notice of this crap.. Gavin obviously watched the pratt geeksvana who talsk shit all the time.

[@whoshatwat]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[@fcava-ti7mb]

Totally agree !!

[@CM-1723]

Make it so we can fly further like in the USA

[@Stefan_Boerjesson]

Agree!

[@SBvice]

Don’t worry, remote ID is on its way here too, that will make it super easy for Karen’s and criminals to find you whilst flying

[@CM-1723]

@@SBvice remote i.d ? I'm still gunna fly mine were I do already anyway , bring on the Karen's haha

[@leathleyg5995]

That's one hell of a battery that will get a drone across the Atlantic...😨

[@CM-1723]

@@leathleyg5995 haha

[@k1ortia]

Let's be honest, nobody or no Mickey mouse Regulation is going to stop any of us flying or enjoying our hobby. As long as your flying safely and responsibley...just send it. Happy flying guys...😎

[@lee4318]

Couldn’t agree more.

[@joshexplores23]

100percent agreed

[@starofdavid9919]

Spot on.

[@grahambutlin8835]

Exactly

[@paulreading8980]

What problem are they solving? As far as I can see drones have not been dropping out of the sky and hitting people. The only thing I can think of is possible privacy complaints.

[@danielweston8077]

There is a KZbin video of a frauditor landing on someone's head, and another where landing in a busy park, a dog caught the drone....kzbin.info/www/bejne/imbXaGl6aN-gg6s

[@TheDeadlyraptor]

Where’s te email from CAA to all registered flyers as they have them all to ask us to participate

[@GAVINHR]

Nope! Sneaky eh! No emails have been sent

[@TheDeadlyraptor]

@@GAVINHR same a last “consultation”

[@elektriksheep]

100%. Great point.

[@wgh011]

On the BMFA/BDFA website, are you not a member?

[@Countleppe]

Since January 2021 The Flying Of Drone As A Hobby For Fun Flying Or Camera Work Is Getting More Technical And Complex Regarding Regulations. It Is Good To See ( NEW ) Sky Coppers On The TV, The Police Using Drones To Catch People. Gives The Drone As A Invention Positive Publicity, Instead Of Negative Views Regarding Flying Drones, By The General Public, Just Fly With Common Sense, Don't Annoy People, Thanks.

[@jasonwoolvin3571]

Police probably been complaining about all the auditors flying over the police stations and not being able to do naff all about it.

[@danielweston8077]

Not just POlice Stations, but private premises, homes and other buildings. THe flights are almost always illegal in some ways. The frauditor buzzed someone and almost landed on their head., the one where they landed near dogs in a public park, and then complained because the dog caught the drone.... These flights are designed to be hostile and provoke a reaction that can be edited and posted on KZbin. THey give the CAA all the reasons that they need

[@anonymouse8205]

Small drone (249g or less) = fly anywhere except near airports Medium drones (249g - 2kg) = restricted flights in citys and countryside over buildings no flights near airports, and stay 25m away from people unless given prior permission. Uninvolved people become automatically involved if they approach you to ask questions. Big drones = 2kg+ get documented licences and permissions and flight plans and logs prior to any flight. Flight and people safety is priority.

[@anguscooper8132]

Agreed this is really good idea. Exactly what I've been thinking should happen. The 249g rules should remain the same. I think drones that weigh under 2kg shouldn't require logging flights and flight plans etc etc. But, if you are flying somewhere that requires permission such as an FRZ or one of Londons restricted areas then get the relevant permissions. If you need to fly in a restricted area like R157-58-59 or an FRZ, get the required permission to fly whether you have an OA or an A2 CofC. Also your suggestions for distances is great as well, if you're flying a drone between 250g and 2kg the distances should be reduced significantly and that should also include legacy drones. Distances should be certainly 15m if you're flying in a congested area. A common sense approach to drone flying should be taken. Your suggestion is very well put together and is very simple and would work for everyone whether that be for recreational or commercial work.

[@wgh011]

You missed the bit out referring to if it has a camera on it, then the rules change a little from what you have put, which adds to the confusion that already exists. If you are going to fly a drone, Google CAA and look at the rules for drone flying. It's not difficult and it s a good start to learning to fly legally, safely and responsibly.

[@srp01983]

One thing that needs to happen is for the so-called ‘auditors’ to start behaving as if they had brains. There are far too many idiots flying drones in a deliberate attempt to spark a confrontation so they can stick it on KZbin. They will spoil it for everyone else.

[@leathleyg5995]

Yep.......not only using a drone to bait people, trespass, and invade privacy, but then publishing it.

[@BareBritainAudits]

I do auditing and agree with you on this subject 👍💯

[@Markabblett]

Cheers for the heads up Gavin, Will fill mine in the evening.

[@DanSmithBK]

I own a drone, and I’m a private pilot. I know this is in opposition, but if you saw the BVLOS issue from where I’m sat, you might have a different perspective, as for me the last thing I need if I’m making an emergency landing is someone trying to fly their drone out of that area as fast as it’ll go while I manoeuvre for a landing! We train assuming the engine will die at any moment, so we’re ready, but having a drone involved really won’t help. Some distance I can agree with, but in view at all times means I don’t hit it when I’m already having a very bad day, as the operator can get it down quickly.

[@conorstewart2214]

Whether the drone is BVLOS or not will make little difference. If it is in the way then it is in the way and you can get it out of the way regardless if you can see it LOS or not. Basically what you are saying is that you want to restrict others hobby and/or work so that you can enjoy yours. Why are you entitled to use the airspace? Why do you have priority over others? Your engine dying is your issue, why should drones not be allowed to fly BVLOS just in case your engine dies?

[@wgh011]

If drones were flown sensibly and safely as they should be, this wouldn't be the issue it has become. Model aircraft pilots have been flying model aircraft for the neck end of 100 years WITHOUT any intervention from any of the authorities, do you not ever wonder why? This has all come about from drones and some of the irresponsible use and the bad attitudes, that I may add, you displayed at the end of your post.😮

[@conorstewart2214]

@@wgh011 It seems pilots and paragliders are very much against drones, since they could hit them but what are pilots or paragliders doing to protect themselves? Paragliders refuse to use any kind of device to broadcast their position (similar to what remote ID is for drones) and what makes it even worse is that they are pretty much silent so people can't tell they are there. Their arguments against using any form of remote ID like system is that they haven't needed one before (when they were the only ones flying at low altitudes), people just won't use them and because the systems are too big and bulky and they can't fit them on their harness or aircraft, which is complete nonsense since remote ID can be fit on drones. They are just making up any excuse to get out of needing something like remote ID. The person who made the original comment, along with a lot of other pilots fail to consider that if their engine has died and they are falling out of the sky, a drone being nearby or even hitting a plane is the least of their concerns, it is no different from if they hit a bird. Also their engine failing is their problem, not everyone elses around them. If their engine dies it is their responsibility to make sure they crash land in as safe a way as possible, if they hit a drone whilst crash landing then that is the pilots fault, the same as if they hit anything else or cause any damage to fields or similar during the crash landing process, shouldn't they have insurance anyway? It is not my fault if I am flying my drone, minding my own business and a crash landing plane or paraglider that is silent and comes out of nowhere hits it. It seems pilots and paragliders and similar think they are entitled to the airspace more than anyone else, even though most of the ones complaining are also just flying or paragliding recreationally. They want to enjoy their hobby but also stop other people from enjoying theirs. I fully agree that drones should be flown responsibly but why should we be restricted (like with BVLOS) because other people using the airspace refuse to implement systems that would make it safer for everyone or take responsibility for their own emergencies, especially when they are physically in the air and at risk of being harmed?

[@wgh011]

@@conorstewart2214 My point was, until drone pilots started all the 'audit' nonsense and deliberately going out to upset people, displaying bad attitudes and fly outside of sensible, considerate and legal flying non of this was an issue. Illegal flying and irresponsible use of airspace is in the most part down to 'some' drone pilots. You can't argue that away however you try to. When did any form of flying, model aircraft, micro-lite, light aircraft, balloons hit the news for low passes over commercial or residential property or deliberately setting out to upset someone? Look around and open your eyes, do some research and I think you will find that before drones this was never a problem, I've used a field where micro-lite's were taking off, I waited until they were safely away before my flight and if I was in the air they waited for me to land, we communicated and looked out for each other. Yes light aircraft crash and model aircraft too, non of us are perfect. That said when I crash my model helicopter, not often but it happens, It's not a big incident..... I'm flying where I'm supposed to be and flying safely. We do need to share the airspace, in a sensible, legal and safe way. There's always been CAA rules and regulations for the use of air space and flying. Model aircraft users and micro-lite/hang gliders/gliders have shared the air space longer than drones have existed, quite safely and without the need for CAA intervention, why do you think that is?

[@jimmypop4001]

​@wgh011 hundred percent with you. I dare someone to contradict otherwise. Well put!

[@hal9058]

Excellent Gavin! I'm in the US and think your points are exactly what should be implemented here too.

[@Joe-wk9ow]

I hear the FAA is considering flying Beyond VLOS. Though I would say flying beyond VLOS is irresponsible in a city environment but keep in mind that remote ID is coming.

[@philsmeanderings7991]

Good luck over there , hope there is a change for the better.

[@starofdavid9919]

Change rarely is for the better.

[@highlandvideo5313]

Cheers for the heads up, Filled out and submitted

[@rockbyter2011]

Filled it in but just the usual third party generated questionnaire with repeat questions worded slightly differently. I doubt it will even be used.

[@Kingdrone]

Thanks Gavin doing it now! 😉

[@droneuseruk]

Nice one Gavin, Good to know we can have some input. Top man 👍

[@richardking4725]

There were no links below your piece in KZbin But I’ll look for the CAA survey myself

[@thefoodiechannelcookingfro1822]

problem could be this that although you may be able to see your huge drone, you may not be able to see the high voltage power cables it is flying towards or the telephone cables. Yes so therefore should be a definitive distance that you can fly. As there is likely to be things in the air that you cannot see, although you may be able to see your drone and so therefore I feel that technically they should be physical distance limit that reflects this make make sure sure that the average person can see things like phone cables and power cables that are in your target area of flight

[@Ivorengland]

Thanks Gavin. Tried to fill in the questionnaire but it is obviously written for the small percentage of professional drone users who already understand all of the issues and the jargon. That’s not the majority of us. First question is ‘Do you agree with the challenges with operational requirements identified by stakeholders, and why?’. What does that mean? Who are the stakeholders (obviously not just me) and what are the challenges that they’ve identified? The questionnaire gets more confusing from there onwards. Are they intentionally trying to block the views of hobbyists with a confusing and jargon filled form with no explanations of the questions so that the majority of drone users could understand what they mean? They will get a very biased sample from this in my opinion. Makes me wonder if they really want to know what all drone users think as I would argue that the majority won’t be able to complete the questionnaire unless they tick ‘don’t know’ for most of the questions. Alternatively if not intentional, the questionnaire designer may be so deeply entrenched in drone tech and rules that he/she can’t relate to the average drone user. Whatever the issue is, the CAA won’t get a true representation across all drone users with this (for most users) impenetrable form. Just my professional (researcher) opinion.

[@airshowvision]

I totally agree with you - the jargon makes it virtually impossible to fill the form in. Maybe Gavin can make a video of how to fill the form in and cu through the jargon to help us?

[@Ivorengland]

@@airshowvision If Gavin can help you and me that’s great. But the real problem is that, at a guess, that still leaves about 99% of drone users not being able to complete the form. That means that our drone future will be influenced by about 1% of drone users. I have communicated this to the CAA. However I don’t have much hope that they will rewrite the questionnaire so that ordinary drone users will understand it. Either the wrong people are writing the questionnaire or it’s intentional because they don’t want responses from the masses. As a professional researcher I’m afraid I’ve seen this sort of thing far too many times.

[@arnoldsnodgrass2953]

If you read the accompanying “Call for Input” document first (as they suggest on the survey page), it explains what the questions mean eg section 2.4 describes the challenges being mentioned. Etc. You can’t just fill in the survey without reading the briefing document.

[@bendovernow69]

The law needs to be simplified and updated I agree But the police don’t know the laws and just close your down and take your drone if they can get you. You can fly happily in one country then cross over into another and they have a different view. Then add Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 and Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 to the mix plus add weights and No fly areas it’s too complex to follow.

[@DamoVit]

@Ivorengland - I hear what you are saying, it's all expalined in this .pdf publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Call%20for%20Input%20Review%20of%20UK%20RPAS%20Regulation%20v3_1%20(CAP2569).pdf

[@brian1979atlive]

i filled it out as well and yes as long as you fly safe you should fly where you want to apart from airports for ob reasons

[@kamikazekaos]

Makes me laugh how CAA, didnt even Email me This Info as im am registered, ridiculous joke

[@17cream]

Unfortunately at the time of writing the survey is closed. Any updates on decisions?

[@bigsighmusicdroneblogs1843]

Bang on Gavin I totally agree with you. Well said

[@davidgriffin79]

2:05 Kinitic energy, Ke = 0.5mV^2. Ke increases linearly with mass, but exponentially with velocity. So, twice the mass, twice the Ke. However, if drone A has mass m, and drone B has mass 0.5m, but drone B falls from a much greater height such that it reaches twice the velocity of drone A when it hits the ground, it will reach the ground with twice the energy of drone A even though it's only half the mass. So, the height at which any drone can fall from is more important than its mass, although eventually there'll be a max height at which the resistive force due to air resistance equals the force due to gravitational acceleration, i.e. terminal velocity.

[@Palmiped09]

I didn’t understand half the questions they were asking, it may be an age thing

[@hudsonbear5038]

same here, started tanswering then just gave in!

[@TempeiB]

In my understanding LOS means that we cannot fly behind anything that obstructs the line between operator and drone, regardless of distance. the term is not in ROS "range of sight", is "line of sight". if they don't explain it right I'll go by the literal interpretation.

[@GAVINHR]

Agree. Just like you “must be ABLE to see your drone” yes in able, doesn’t mean you have to look at it constantly

[@tonywoodford9164]

Having had several very love flying aircraft come out of nowhere VLOS was very important to avoid them. So I disagree with 2kl over water. Helicopter and gyrocopter can come very indeed

[@jaydronezz]

I'm a sub 250g FPV pilot. I build and program my own drones and fly in full manual / acro mode. I seem to have been thrown under the bus by oblivious CAA and camera drone operators who are the majority of drone flyers. What I / we do requires years of knowledge and experience, and from the self-build quadcopter/ wing category, come the engineers and the pilots. These rules go alot further than you mention, the requirement of GPS and remote ID modules in sub - 250g craft is technically impossible for certain craft, unless you want the drone to fly like a bag of spuds! Micro toothpick and tinywhoop drones will be technically illegal if flying them outside, because such technology for those craft does not exist. As our down-under friend Bruce Simpson so eloquently states, this is not about safety, its about compliance, AND effectively banning us from the airspace, to make way for large corporations to monetise the airspace. I think hobbyists need to WAKE UP and see what is really going on and smell the BS! ❤😂

[@Boyson66]

3:09 I was thinking exactly the same before you mentioned this. People will just start buying cheaper, less safe drones and not be scared of loosing them. Vlos won’t matter to them and the inevitable will happen.

[@jonathanrose456]

I do property surveys & need to get a drone/licence for thermal imaging of roofs. Any advice would be gratefully received.

[@peterc2248]

I have a sub 250g drone that I use very infrequently for taking aerial photos for my Parish Council - allotments, burial ground, church roofs etc. It has proved very useful but as I use it infrequently, I have to spend a lot of time charging the batteries - which invariably have gone flat, and trying to relearn how to fly it :-). As far as the rules go, they have always been pretty challenging to understand. I am no stranger to legislation and regulations but as ever, government agencies love to obfuscate mainly, I think, to put people off. In terms of danger, yes of course a drone falling out of the sky can be dangerous but compared to the dangers of road accidents, obesity and smoking, the risks are trivial. I would rather the Government spent their time and our money sorting out the more important things. IMHO of course

[@GAVINHR]

I agree completely

[@RadioJonophone]

Let's not forget that the limit of VLOS is dependent on atmospheric and illumination conditions. A fixed distance may well be disadvantageous. Visual means able to see and will vary with each excursion.

[@Motor_Mike]

Liked and subscribed👍

[@daabomb114]

We need that 249 g limit upgraded to a few more grams. Those mini drones are not a huge hazard. The second you start adding FAA compliant lights this arbitrary number doesnt really help.

[@GAVINHR]

I agree

[@anguscooper8132]

I agree. I think A2 CofC holders should have a bit more freedom in terms of distances from uninvolved people because there are situations where avoiding them can be quite challenging if you're doing commercial work but can still operate safely. Also in most cases uninvolved people approach us asking questions (not confrontation) causing distraction. I think drones less than 2kg should have reduced distance to uninvolved people and it can still be safe because people will be very aware of the drone being there. Plus like Gavin was saying, most of these drones now have obstacle avoidance and can be operated very safely close to people. The 249g rules should either remain the same or the weight should be increased to 1kg whilst offering the same benefits as they are still classed as small drones have obstacle avoidance. A more common sense approach to drone flying should be adopted in my opinion.

[@fraserthomson5766]

It can't go up much higher, but I agree it should be up to say 350g which would give us longer battery life.

[@anguscooper8132]

@@fraserthomson5766 I agree. Even if it went up to 600g would be good as it would allow those with the Air2 or Air2S more freedom as well considering they're still classed as "small drones".

[@fraserthomson5766]

I'd rather get hit in the head with by a 350g than a 600g'er.. lol@@anguscooper8132

[@pixelukulele401]

Yup, i did just get a DJI 3 mini 3 pro and their wasn't any clear rules on what i needed, to fly, my ocd in finding out as much as possible about my hobbies made me find out, there's loads i didn't know, i still get a bit confused on some stuff but i have only had it just over a week, i do have the op I.D and i even got the flyer I.D even though i didn't have to. I've only just learnt about sssi locations, that was fun finding out about because they're blooming everywhere. And by laws, i thought it was just dont fly by airports and prisons. I am thinking about making a little business from it but ive learnt i need insurance. This should all be info on the box or description when buying from places like argos. Oh and register your done lol. More rules than owning a car lol.

[@johnnymac26]

nice one mate but im sceptical after that last information input they allowed us seems like they skipped over our wishes and that crazy clear sight of orientation is just nonsense

[@illusion1361]

I don’t believe that people giving there opinion to the CAA will change anything they just want you to believe you can have a say there going to do as they please anyway the uk is becoming all about control of what you do say

[@daveadams4128]

were lucky were being consulted, I doubt if we were still in europe we would

[@fafcast]

The writing was on the wall for drones in the UK, when the news reported that "48 hour drone flying over Heathrow" some years ago. Aside from it obviously being sheer BS (summer battery , eh?) It appears most people didn't know drones can't fly for 2 days, and were only concerned their flight was delayed or re-routed. This turned public against the drones, and together with a couple more stories sprinkled in, like "a creepy loner flies drone to ladies window, as she gets out the shower." Bingo, any new rules that come from a tiny handful (who probably do have something to hide in that big manor estate) will never have a problem . Mark my words, you will not be able to have a flying camera of any size for any purpose, unless you are vetted up to the hilt, kinda like carrying the nuclear codes. I give it less than ten years tops.

[@davehodgkiss]

Brilliant video Gavin let’s hope the CAA get I right regards Dave

[@lordrod7328]

Bet you there going to be a tax to fly any thing which goes up into the skys

[@MrStreetboy80]

The caa already know what they want to do and will, it’s making space for commercial drone use from big organisations and I believe auditors have had an influence on their decisions. I think the categories are ok as they are because I took the time to learn what they are and what they mean for my type of flying. I’d agree that all drone users should have to have flyer I.d and operators licence regardless of weight, it might give pilots a better idea where they can fly and maybe encourage them to research it a bit more. Manufacturers should notify on packaging that flyer I.d and ops licence is required. People buying toy drones don’t even know these exist.

[@hariboholmes4638]

Enjoy the hobby while it lasts.. Once commercial drones become more commonplace we will be regulated to death.

[@MattLeech]

Can I use my sub-250g drone to inspect my own roof?

[@kwilson5832]

I agree with Gavin about VLOS. The argument for keeping the drone in sight seems to be with safety in mind. But if it is going to just fall out of the sky (I know Gavin says they don't, but you can never be sure!) then it will fall, regardless of how far away it is. The operator won't be able to do anything about it. As long as you can see the general area where the drone is, then i can't see the problem. As far as privacy is concerned, let's compare it with people walking past my house. They might look in my window and I wouldn't think anything of it. They might even have taken a photo as they walked past. That wouldn't bother me, as I would have closed the curtains if I needed privacy. Google 'Street View' has an image of one of my rooms. However, if someone was to stand outside, taking photos of my property then I would be concerned. To put this into context of a drone, I don't see a problem with them flying over my home, again, as long as they're not loitering. If they're just passing by then let them carry on.

[@grizzlybear2702]

Off topic but i would love to see a range test in urban environment of ether the new air 3 or autel nano to test out the new 5.2ghz frequency. If choosing between the mini 3 pro or autel nano which would offer the better signal. I currently have the mini 3 pro with the FCC hack.

[@hariboholmes4638]

3 Pro with FCC superior in every way.

[@danielweston8077]

The biggest threat to our hobby is the "frauditorrs" . DJ Audits, SE Audits and UK Meet the Tyrants are examples They simply use e drones to harass people and companies, often breaking the most basic rules when they do so Hostile use of drones plays right into the CAA's hands, and gives them valid reasons that the public will support

[@Malsaxbythewater]

FYI I am Just back from trip to Norway and Sweden and all drones size are regulated and must be licensed and insured

[@k1ortia]

Good job we don't live in Norway or Sweden then!

[@flash301]

I am sure no matter what happens if be monitored like laws of e-scooters

[@SquareoftheyearFM]

If I suddenly can’t fly a drone close to buildings then I’m stuffed. I just bought a Mini 3 Pro for inspecting buildings 😮

[@gygg]

I use a drone professionally and the number of times I get asked what I’m doing and then follows a story about a drone user spying on peoples property are too numerous to list. I feel the CAA will actually loosen rules preferring technology advances to improve drone use, particularly where they mention GPS and user access.

[@Rivaboyz1987]

I’m thinking of buying a drone will be my 1st one ,looking at the air 3 or mini 4 pro any suggestions??

[@GAVINHR]

Both great drones with little to choose between them, if you are in the UK hence watching this video I would say the mini 4 pro is the better choice

[@marcwhitfordevangelist5618]

Thinking of buying a second hand dji mavic mini. My knowledge of drones and flying them are nill. Do I need to register it, and as mentioned in the video, are the rules still the same for the sub 250gm category?

[@GAVINHR]

Hi there, yes you will apply for an operator id and place it on your drone, aside from that - happy flying !

[@marcwhitfordevangelist5618]

@GAVINHR thanks for the quick reply. I am currently watching a video on rules, and it seems VERY complicated and hard to understand.

[@Matt_warren_photography]

Totally agree with your distance theory! That would work a treat!

[@marcelowilson-barnett3768]

Thanks but you can not zip around crowds even sub 250g

[@GAVINHR]

That was exactly my point - if people don’t know the rules they won’t know they can’t do that

[@riddioughp]

They have twisted the meaning of line of sight tho, it doesn’t mean that you can actually keep eyes on the target at all times… it means originally, to be able to fly out a direction that you can clearly see has no obstacles within. The aircraft could be in line of sight but may not be visible…..

[@dukeofdevon5608]

How many people have been injured or killed by a falling drone? 0 i bet

[@paulshanesmith]

Ironically the form is pretty representative of the rules, over complicated and badly written. As a mini 3 pro flyer I'm happy with the status quo, I just wish there was a simple and single web page I could point the now rare officious non flyer to in order for them to quickly educate themselves I'm doing no wrong.

[@wgh011]

There is, join the BDFA or BMFA.

[@darrenwindle3592]

Just bought a hover x1 125 gram selfie drone .is it classed the same as my mini 3 Pro Thanks.

[@GAVINHR]

Hi there, yes it sure is! Great drone they are fantastic

[@darrenwindle3592]

​@GAVINHR anyone know the laws in tenerife. Thinking about taking the hover . Thanks

[@andyl2201]

I love my photography and my drone is my saviour because I am wheelchair bound I use my drone to take photos I would not normally be able to take. It seems NOW everywhere I go I can’t fly my drone. The New Forest where I live have outlawed drones the coast/cliffs and parks are all outlawed. The rules and regulations are getting so my life is depressing 😡

[@nigelprice1831]

Cctv and ring cameras clock us everyday too

[@RaggyAl1971]

Its not the drones that are the problem,its the people that fly them,break the regulations and generally have zero respect for the safety of those around them that needs sorting out,tougher penalties when caught and charged would be a way forward.

[@CalmBiker]

I think the regulations are complex but understandable. They could do a lot more to make them clearer though. A review of this seems like a very good idea but my concern with a lot of the questions is that they'll lead to people with older drones finding that they become illegal to be used. These expensive devices shouldn't become waste because of poor legislation. I do wonder how much the people flying over businesses to annoy people and gather KZbin views will cause additional restrictions for people who want to fly legally, responsibly and without annoying people.

[@lovelifeloveboat]

I do wonder that as I am 100% certain that those 'auditors' have raised an eyebrow with the sub 250g class - oddly though, has anyone seen the most recent Google Earth Pro resolutions - they are better than my drone!!

[@mototoki]

I don't see why the freedoms of sub 250g could not be preserved, and this could be done by making Flyer ID mandatory. a Flyer ID forces you not only to read the rules, but understand them. Bear in mind a Flyer ID does not cost and is valid for 5 years. I think this simple change would bolster the integrity and standing of the community.

[@MrVideowill]

The difficulty with filling any government form in is that they can be very disingenuous. For example, should we simply the rules? Sounds innocuous enough and they know that most people we'll answer that question "Yes, definitely". Well of they said the rules are: 1. No flight above 120m 2. No flight further than 75m from the operator 3. No flight within 200m of any building, person or structure They've just granted you your wish whilst making it fairly impossible to fly anywhere and even where you could fly it, the flight would be exceptionally dull! When you answer these questions, be very, very careful and always define what you mean in the free text box. If there's no free text box allowing you to explain accept it's a loaded question!

[@AndyRobby]

anything they do will be to take away what you have.

[@OniMetsuki]

wow, are you Sure you want to to reduce visible line of sight to the lowest common denominator ? Careful what you wish for.....

[@testpilotian3188]

Every time there’s one of these “consultations” the more I see people just saying fuck it i’m now breaking the law for doing something that was perfectly legal yesterday and it was only made illegal because “reasons”. Should have 3 rules for hobbyists: Don’t endanger other people. Don’t be a dick. Have public liability insurance, If you do anything outside of a hobby remit, like a bit of auditing, or filming the local manor estate for a mate, you fall under commercial use and must follow the 500 pages of regulations covering them.

[@ColinFyfielduk]

I agree with a lot of what you’ve said. How ever giving someone meter a limit on VLOS (like we used to have) will result n that distance being a lot less for everyone. Ie the limit for someone with poor eyesight trying to see a mini 2, so about 100m. I feel the sub 250g drones are in for some much tighter new restrictions. All I’d really like to see change in the current rules are a requirement for better training, especially those with a sub 250g as there’s no requirement for any training on those right now

[@Proper-Kernow]

some of the caa questions almost feel like entrapment. i feel they already know what the want to do, and that is limit the freedoms of sub 250g drone users, and the questions steer you into agreeing with that sentiment. The major problem the caa face is less drone law, and more public photography law which the caa has no power over. The caa can only write aviation laws, and can only give guidance on photography and privacy. When considering drone rules, the caa has to remove photography from the arguement. For example, would the police kick off like they do if drones didnt have cameras, probably not, so its not the drone thats the issue, its public photography which is a protected right. The caa main focus is on public safety from a falling drone, and wider aviation safety from a drone collision, or at least thats how it should be.

[@MrMesospheric]

So many factors here. Chinese manufacturers effectively making 'law plus' for UK pilots through adding 'buffer' and extended 'no fly zones', as opposed to statutory NFZs in which it would be lawful to fly. Then we have the quiet transition, quite improper, from 120m max flight above ground beneath the drone to 120m max above launch point - all prompting Remote ID report to police to come knock on your door, potentially repeatedly. I fly in mountain areas, so can expect to be harrassed endlessly if Remote ID goes ahead as proposed. The CAA says "5000 reports to police" about UAS, but we all know how ill-informed public and authorities are; I've asked them under FoIA for numbers of those reports leading to prosecution or admission of guilt by way of police caution. I will bet a tenner that they won't be able to tell us.

[@GAVINHR]

Please please feel free to update me on the FoIA becuse that will be VERY interesting!

[@sirrodneyffing1]

"Consultaions" are just performative. They know already what they're going to push through.

[@michaelbabyyaz1480]

Wow...asking the public....that is scary ! Hope nothing like that will happen here in Denmark !!

[@aireboat7988]

Don't worry it's just a box ticking exercise. "We have consulted the public...BUT..."

[@SBvice]

Exactly, they’ll ask, but they won’t listen and will just do whatever they want anyway

[@leathleyg5995]

They "consult the public" then ignore it...... Its a tradition in the UK.

[@danielweston8077]

Unfortunately, we have frauditors in the UK who make hostile flights over companies and private properties simply to force a reaction from the company employees, this is then edited and placed on KZbin. It is these companies' and individuals' complaints to the CAA that will fuel many of the changes and are the biggest threat to the freedom of the sub-250g drones. WHat should also be mentioned is the National Security Act 2023 that allows some bodies such as Government and Police to set up their own "NO-Fly" zones over their premises

[@grahamherbert3612]

I refuse to comply. Fly Fast, LOS, & Free.

[@Bertie22222]

In a nutshell about surveys, Sadiq Khan is interested in your opinion.

[@canicant]

Now, I remember why i gave up the RC hobby, too many people with too much control. I really am better off without the headache.

[@johndavies5985]

Been thinking about getting my first drone but on seeing the amount of red tape involved I find it off putting to say the least. I appreciate the need for rules especially concerning aircraft and people but the level of bureaucracy seems designed to destroy any feeling of fun.

[@AlanHunt73]

Done 👍

[@GAVINHR]

Needs just mate! Hope you’re well.

[@AlanHunt73]

@GAVINHR I'm all good thanks Gav. Hope you are 👍

[@stevenfoleyuk9404]

500 Ton Jetliners fly over cities and Roads and yet they think a sub 250g drone presents a danger ? No Drone has brought down an aircraft or cause any injury and yet they want to put more restrictions on flying a Drone . Utter nonsense .

[@bzaden]

Who is the CAA? Never heard of her before

[@michaelmacdonell4834]

I'm still dealing with the sad aftermath of Brexit ( yes, again) for several of my friends who voted Leave because of fears even more stringent regulations were coming from Brussels. Inevitably, they didn't happen, and now we are in the clutches of a Government hellbent on regulating every aspect of our lives, however ridiculous.

[@ghostrot]

Not all of us fly dji film drones

[@Stefan_Boerjesson]

Is it possible that Brexit "allows" UK to get even worse? In line of sight... If I put my 25x telescope on a tripod and follow the drone....? Why is flying out of the camera picture disqualified like it is? Stopping in the air, looking 360 degrees around, checking up and down.the awareness can get much better then "visual line. The distance, where on the map is, is hard to tell even one hundred meters away. The kinetik energy aspect might apply to hybrid drones. What is the free fall speed of drones in this size? Lots of drag from still standing props and body. Not even Ukraine will use a Mavic 3 pro in sports mode for a kill.

[@Guide504]

I'm looking to review the CAA's fitness for purpose regarding drone legislation, and their insanity driven by irrational fear rather than fact!

[@Danny_Roman.]

Spot on Gav. I hope that the majority of the none drone flyers dont sabotage the system and fill it wrong 😮 or shall we say the do-gooders😅

[@MediaWebservice]

Disturbed and annoying people like @anonaudits 🤬, for example, mess it up for those who are serious about their drone hobby. Figures like @anonaudits harass others with their drone and then you get complaints. In principle, these persons should be dealt with for abuse.🙄⚖️

[@DEADB33F]

@@MediaWebservice Yes, but as they're always keen to point out they "aren't breaking any laws". ....so now the laws are being tightened. Well done fuckheads thanks a bunch!

[@Lee-zg3gx]

The more people we reach with videos like this, the more chances of the CAA not screwing it all up....... but will they ACTUALLY listen to us the public? probably not, then do it their way anywway!

[@ianlloyd100]

It stopped affecting me when registration started. Never registered, never did their silly online test, don't have a silly flyer I'd, never stopped flying my mavic, safely..... Never will... Let's see them prosecute anyone for doing safe stuff....

[@steve00alt70]

Its because of the drone auditors on youtube thats why. And anyway people will just make their own drones from scratch, like racing drones if these rules are changed.

[@apurvas_journey]

Heyyyy .. damn you channel is dope 🤘🤘😍 thanks for all the videos.. I came across your channel cause of the gimble issue , saw the video you made 2 years back regarding the gimble issue and I recently bought mini 2 SE and facing exact same issue of gamble tilt 🥲, I would like to know was that issue fixed ? Are they still facing same in mini 2 SE , mini 2.. thaanks again buddy.. subscribed and liked🤗🤘

[@stephan20008]

It's knobs like dj audits that ruin the 250g drone category.

[@Quoii]

I have not really flown my DJI Mavic 2 since 2019 or so. From what I understand, I need a flyer ID which I got today after passing the test and an operator ID. Do I also need to get the CAA A2 certificate to fly? It won't be commercial, just for my own photography in mostly quiet spots but given they will be sightseeing spots/tourist attractions then there might be some people there from time to time.

[@starofdavid9919]

No, flyer and operator ID is all you need.

[@andrewmaudsley7692]

i have big problems with flying to the caa rules to the point i just go and fly when i want be that safe, i fly a lot of FPV and now they have said the drone orientation must be know at all times without the use of looking at the screen for data, as this would now be passed on to the spotter, i do not see how this would work as i fly small 50-150 grams fpv racing drones, and you cannot make out the orientation after a very little range, i tend to fly this little drone type around me within 1km about one or two feet of the ground, flying at the park, my link range is something silly like 40km for the contrall link and over 10km for video link be that in line of sight, i will never be able to fly them at that range myself as the battery will run out long before i loose range, i also fly a mini 2, i say fly them things are what i like to say, plastic hand holding drones, anyone can fly them, there is some skill needed for the camera, but for someone like you said going to the shop and flying, i tend to keep within 2km with this type of drone as i know i will have plenty of battery life and made to help get the thing back, with a home point, a map, also a RTH if all else fails, the rule also about having to read the user manual before taking off and keeping all software upto date, i do not agree with this with hand made drones as when something has been testing to work, you should not update it and to leave it alone, my crossfire verion is on a old one and have never had a single problem and it just works so why update the software and add something that could make it go wrong, also manual, you do not get one with home made ones unless they want you to read all the github or something on how it works, CAA and FAA clearly want us all out and to sell the sky to amazon and other alike, why not just make space for them lets say 120-150m they have and pay for, they can have all the extra cost with remote id and tracking , i see no harm me keep flying my small toys where i am safe to do, yes i have flown at busy parks but never had a problem and people know it is me flying, have family's come up asking questions, the normal, how high can it go, how fare, how fast, i respect animal's and keep my distance and also land and speak to all the dog walkers, spotter and VLOS rule need to go for anything that can safely not need them, as it should all be about safety

[@alancooke8682]

Funny how we had no problem for years flying RC ‘Aircraft’ until drones came along….🤔

[@brymstoner]

honestly, i think it's time to scrap vlos for drones which are technologically safer, like dji. keep it for the cheapo wifi drones. but kit like dji are capable bits of kit. so capable they're used repeatedly for beyond vlos recon in the ukraine war, a place where active russian electronic countermeasures are often in effect. that should tell you something on their capabilities to stay airborne.

[@combatwombat71]

The Campaign Against Aviation strikes again!

[@gerryrozema8338]

You miss the point on 249 grams. It’s not about it falling from the sky, it’s about how much damage it impinges on a airplane when hit by that plane or helicopter. Sub 249 is not going to bring it down.

[@GAVINHR]

It’s absolutely no the point I’m afraid and the 249g is entirely based on kinetic energy and how much harm it could inflict to a human by hitting them.

[@airshowvision]

@@GAVINHR Just for interest's sake - how much does a football weigh and how much does it ACTUALLY weigh when it is shot at full speed by an idiot in the park who thinks they are the next Ronaldo? The odds of being hit by a falling drone compared to that scenario must be millions to one yet virtually no rules regarding footballs etc . . .