Ukraine War Aid: Where Have U.S. Funds Gone and Why Has Support Stalled? | WSJ

The political stalemate in Washington is now impairing Ukraine’s efforts to repel Russia’s invasion. House Republicans say they won’t support tens of billions of dollars in additional aid to the war-torn country without a deal on border security on the southern U.S. border. With deliveries of military aid to Ukrainian troops continuing to decline, Kyiv could be hard pressed to replace its losses and maintain its front lines.
WSJ explores where U.S. aid has gone so far and what could happen if additional funding remains stalled.
Chapters:
0:00 Political stalemate causing funding issues
0:41 U.S. funding so far
3:32 Waning support for Ukraine
4:22 Proposed aid holdup
4:52 What happens if Ukraine doesn’t get more aid?
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[@Bdigital9482]

Meanwhile, a pentagon audit can’t even tell you the actual size of the U.S. military. Our military has not a clue what it actually owns.

[@spartacusreview]

The Pentagon is the most Corrupt Institution in human history.

[@user-ee7bz3ip2b]

A proper audit could probably scrounge up $100 billion in old weapons to donate

[@theotheleo6830]

@@user-ee7bz3ip2b Nah, they've already been stolen and sold to the drug cartels.

[@tanyaroberson9629]

Its always been like that.

[@thysonsacclaim]

That's nonsense.

[@motomarty8269]

These bureaucrats make me sick to my stomach.

[@theroldan8013]

enlist yourself

[@RorkesDriftVC]

All civilizations need administrative bureaucracies. I trust a bureaucrat more than a rich and powerful guy or organization out to make a buck.

[@rampage241]

@@RorkesDriftVC except there's a revolving door between the administrative bureaucrats and the rich orgs, so they are essentially the same people.

[@havable]

Its the elected officials blocking the aid. Also, when I was a soldier in the US Army I met the exact definition of "bureaucrat" so watch who you're insulting.

[@havable]

@@rampage241 "except there's a revolving door between the administrative bureaucrats and the rich orgs, so they are essentially the same people" Weird how painting with a broad brush is completely inaccurate though.

[@ScottReynolds003]

All of these weapons are ridiculously priced. All the suppliers are gouging us for a tax dollars

[@Teksoo1337]

Eu sanctions them selfs ☠ running out of money from a proxy war. just look every EU country's Debt you will be shocked ! let alone USA Debt.

[@gvjugsdj]

Y lo peor de todo es que sus enemigos tienen armas igual de efectivas a fácilmente 1/10 del precio

[@paulbedichek5177]

We aren't paying, they are surplus, the new weapons like $200K for a Javalin turned out to be a great deal,replacemet missles are $80K, they are effective and the money goes to pay high wages to US workers who pay us back with taxes.

[@Learner4FunLifePersona]

@paulbedichek5177, i’m sorry but wasn’t slavery abolished in 1865? This sounds a lot like the Broken Window Fallacy. A poor use of forced labor.

[@thulomanchay]

Weapons were reasonably priced. The hammer at $435, toilet seat at $640, with $10,000 cover. Its not fraud but "the truly costly problems are those of overcomplicated organization and rigid procedure."

[@bobmcnelis3648]

So, we send them the used equipment from our “junk drawer”, and we go out and buy the best that money can buy, and say “Look at all the money we are spending on and in Ukraine”!

[@Emma.Ari123]

Money and ammunition was provided!

[@retrojames4226]

That's exactly how it is. I grow green. I sell mine for high price, and buy top shelf from cali. I win both ways.

[@ziggyc3004]

Yes, and the politicians lie on top that saying, "We spend billions in Ukraine but can't do something." Also, can't forget it costs us a substantial amount to maintain and dispose of old equipment.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

The "junk drawer" is why Russia slapped them down like a bear slapping a salmon. The expensive stuff is what hurts RU, but when we ship that out it costs real money to replace it.

[@bobmcnelis3648]

@@trevorsutherland5263 stuff delivered to Israel within 48 hrs.

[@planetmikusha5898]

So the US government is accounting for equipment at replacement cost and not depreciated cost according to this report. The US taxpayers are sending even Vietnam War vintage M113 armored personnel and M109 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine, and the US government credits this support by its replacement value. Imagine you given a 1972 Ford Pinto to someone, and you account for it as having a value of $30,000 which is what a new sedan would cost!

[@robertharper3754]

That's how the Army was able to afford to buy more of the M113 replacements than were planned, they were very happy about that since they had run out of funds to buy the numbers they wanted to. Not to mention all of the orders US defense companies have been getting once everyone saw how well our older stuff performed against Russia's latest and supposed greatest!

[@shayaldwarka7907]

​@@robertharper3754oh yeah just like, how Serbia shot down a expensive new advanced stealth fighter with an old 125 pechora and also Syria used S200 against an F35 in 2015.

[@brooklynnchick]

I love your post!

[@jessiplourde9121]

Who even cares anymore

[@michalandrejmolnar3715]

This one gets it

[@Maximilien1794]

75 billion US aid, not 20.

[@cliffrunner]

The military-industrial complex is an independent empire in the United States. It needs wars and conflicts from the entire world to flourish. It gives me chill every time I think of this.

[@heetheet75]

EU just passed 50 billion for Ukraine, it's not dwindling. We're here for the long haul.

[@azklb]

🤡🪓🤣🤣

[@Deeplycloseted435]

I love how the media pretends they don’t understand what happened. Our “best buddy” got attacked, so “keep going Ukraine we got your back” suddenly became “this isn’t working you should talk to Putin”.

[@shayaldwarka7907]

No, they went from Russia is losing to we all must prepare for russian invasion

[@olcankanicok9125]

you cant talk with Putin negotiations dont make sense unless he leaves Ukraine

[@MrSloika]

The best time to talk was before the tanks rolled. The second best time to talk was when the Russians were on the back foot last year. Since then the Russians have recovered from their setbacks and are now slowly grinding the Ukrainians into a thin read paste. The Russians also know that no one in NATO has the steel ball bearings to take them on directly. Like the late war criminal Kissinger once quipped, 'To be America's enemy can be dangerous. To be America's friend is invariably fatal."

[@bansheep1]

What are you talking about? Negotiations with russia is illegal in ukrainian law remember?@@olcankanicok9125

[@bobwoods1302]

Trump is the only one who wants to talk to Russia. Everyone else knows Putin is a liar and there is no sense talking about anything.

[@IhorN95]

When US forced Ukraine to give up nuclear weapons, US committed to keep it safe, now delays in aid may be threat to Ukrainian survival.

[@Nope_handlesaretrash]

Good

[@Peti-kc6wg]

very good

[@archermadsen7744]

Ukraine can't nuke Russia.

[@sandroian4596]

Or end the war 😂

[@musikmedravnen]

Look at article 4 in Budapest Referendum, it only states they'll help during a nuclear conflict. It's phrased very poorly.

[@Iamthedudeman00]

I know it feels like not much progress has been made, but that is much due to Russia’s initial incompetence that got us overly confident. Considering that US and NATO has mainly provided defensive weapon to Ukraine, and Ukraine is still holding the line so far, itself is already a respectable feat. I think it is just that we start to grow impatient and Russia is counting down to the day that Ukraine aid stops.

[@vasilykotikov6916]

Da, you are right comrade. We learned our lessons...

[@reynardus1359]

You should volunteer.

[@1individeo]

It was not incompetence, it was two things : 1- over confidence of the Russians 2- Ukraine breaking the Minsk deal because Boris Johnson thought they could beat russia

[@MarkNOTW]

I hope when you say incompetence, you don’t mean the alleged “siege of Kyiv”.

[@ralphbuysyourcar]

Holding the line? Ok buddy 😂😂

[@williamguru]

The money has mostly went into the pockets of a few at the top of the military industrial complex.

[@oleksii000]

Source?

[@Joaquin546]

This just shows how little people have a clue about military aid.

[@ebbeb9827]

60 billion is peanuts when it causes a major military rival such big problems. US spends 800+ billion per year on defense

[@apokatastasian2831]

ON DEFENSE....escalating global conflicts on behalf of a corrupt little 3rd world money laundering depot is not defense

[@levismith7444]

Still, 60 billion is more than Japan spent on its maglev train connecting the entire country

[@danh7411]

@@AlexIvanov-zd8hg Its interest is literally Putin's delusional interest. What did he do last time? Singing a paper saying Alaska belongs to them? Lol?

[@attilamarics3374]

@@danh7411 That didnt happen. That news is entierly a media creaton. If you read the articles ENTIERLY you would even know., because they admit it at the end.

[@ROFLtheWAFL]

@@AlexIvanov-zd8hg Russia was happily soaking in European money for their natural gas and oil. The Europeans were/are phasing out their nuclear power plants, meaning they were on the way to becoming even MORE dependent on Russia. All Putin had to do was wait, and NATO might've dissolved on its own.

[@user-tp9en5cx3h]

Most of America's aid to Ukraine increases production in America. So no matter how you look at it, it is a help for self-help. It just makes the wheels turn faster in America.

[@jamesgeorge9467]

Lol yeah helping the military industrial congressional complex.

[@TonyDSG]

So trickle down economics work now?

[@aerojetrocketdyners-2538]

​@jamesgeorge9467 you have the understanding on the Defense policy of a 2 year old. Like bro, you are a literal global hegemon who is involved in many things around the world and you are needed to maintain the current global financial system that everyone benefits from

[@jamesgeorge9467]

@@aerojetrocketdyners-2538 lol

[@reformed7939]

So sending all of our wealth to other countries helps Americans prosper? If you feel that way then you can pay my taxes too

[@ian2372]

Here in the US we have many problems of our own, we shouldn't send a single dime to defend Ukaines border until our own border is secure. No more aid to Ukraine. It's not our border and not our fight.

[@hagenneulen815]

Plese don‘t forget defense spending from European nations to US defense companies - probably much more in for US economy than US spending for Ukraine. By the way: US military spending was about surplus stocks which partly was due for scrapping (Eg cluster munitions)

[@Tbone1492]

Let's not forget those millions of shells were free of cost

[@SpyderNL696]

Since the Ukraine war 233 billion dollar and counting for US defence industry

[@stunningandbased5516]

​@@SpyderNL696Replacement cost as a comical accounting trick, the actual cost might be a fourth of that.

[@ryannoble4789]

Russia has learnt from earlier fatal mistakes and has adapted.

[@ua697]

Really

[@ComissarYarrick]

Hardly suprising. Even very stupid people can't be stupid 100% of the time.

[@latino_God]

Adapted how exactly? They’re still using the same old WW2 tactics and getting slaughtered on the battlefield

[@AaSs-ln9mm]

​@@latino_God yeah, yeah, Steiner counteroffensive about to save Berlin right now... Sorry, its Ghost of Kyev, of course. Also situation in Maryopol is complicated, but Ukraine army still hold the city. I mean, still being evacuated.😂

[@DrDemented9885]

Yeah those tactics are beating AFU

[@mrsgtgatsbytr6934]

US politcs should communicate/ educate the normal US citizien on how the money is spend. For every Dollar you spend, 60ct goes to US companies = US economy. Thats a great deal

[@CommeradeZhukov]

Or, the money could be spent on American citizens so they get a hundred percent of the purchasing power up front rather than sixty percent of a trickle down with secondary inflation.

[@Tomorrison28]

Goes to corporations that pay CEOs millions in bonuses and their workers peanuts. Meanwhile the American taxpayer foots the bill and gets NOTHING in return.

[@victorchen9170]

Straight to the pockets of Lockheed Martin and Raytheon

[@mrsgtgatsbytr6934]

@@Tomorrison28 well that’s a problem in the us tax system and not Ukraine’s fault. Ever heard of share based compensation?

[@mrsgtgatsbytr6934]

@@Tomorrison28 I disagree with “NOTHING”. US soldiers will not have to fight in the baltics against Ruzzia when they attack NATO.

[@mannyhernandez6507]

Surplus military equipment still retains a dollar value. This does not mean new money spent, it means inventory levels.

[@thysonsacclaim]

And the government values it at the price to BUY IT NEW

[@stationd5]

@@thysonsacclaimaka money laundering

[@gags730]

I want to go with you when I trade in my car... it should be one heck of an experience. Just tell the car salesman what you told us here... Oh, see if you can get me free floor mats too! hahaha

[@trogdortpennypacker6160]

​@@thysonsacclaim No it does not, we use net book value. For a vehicle we use 5 years for, after that it's value is zero. Does no one watch the news? How do you think we found that extra money back in June. We are not using replacement value bud, we are using net book value for valuations.

[@johnnyweissmuller5838]

@@trogdortpennypacker6160 in your logic, then 0 dollars spent. Eveything sent is more than 5 years.

[@user-bs3br6sx3r]

No one taking about the corruption?

[@thulomanchay]

Where? Ukraine, Russia, USA.

[@fleisbester612]

@@thulomanchay Ukraine and the US

[@Intel-i7-9700k]

The good West is under attack by the Putin. There is no time to criticize ourselves.

[@treeaboo]

Frankly corruption is always factored in when budgeting, there's most likely more corruption on the US side really, it's just that they're better at hiding it. Corruption is the ultimately unavoidable price you pay for any large scale project, especially as nation states, as unpleasant as it is to say it's not really a meaningful factor in these sorts of things.

[@Keithlfpieterse]

Kudos to the makers of this item! In 6.33min you covered the terrain of "What a War Economy" is in a manner many textbooks about the Military Industrial Complex fail to uncover in thousands of pages. Even Noam Chomsky needed more words than the WSJ item.. I appreciate this compact rendition which certainly does not lack CLARITY. Thank you Wall Street Journal!

[@rozmaril]

Oh, and Noam Chomsky lost respect many years ago...

[@Z0DI4C]

Ahh, Noam Chomsky, the leftist version of Henry Kissinger.

[@TheCaesarion]

You trust the media?? 🐑

[@Keithlfpieterse]

@@TheCaesarion : It is unwise to respond when you have failed to grasp the gist of the comment. Think before you ink!!!

[@DrDemented9885]

Chomsky need to follow kissengers lead. There both infections upon humanity

[@kurronen]

We pay billions now, upgrading and sending old Gulf War equipment, or else... we will have pay trillions in 2025! Every 10,000 Dollars spent now saves 1 U.S. soldier's life and saves 100,000 Dollars in Veterans Administration in 2025 benefits for that lost U.S. soldier.

[@unsalbulent]

How many ukraine people traveling and living luxury lifestyle in other coutries now?

[@zerotheboxer]

​@@unsalbulent go ahead list them

[@cyclewisconsin105]

@@zerotheboxer He sounds like he was raised to be a crybaby.

[@zerotheboxer]

@@cyclewisconsin105 sounds right seems he lives near Moscow

[@miket8909]

How much do you think an open border costs us?

[@SenorTucano]

How much has been lost to corruption?

[@canelop4p181]

A lot

[@abhisekgogoi1043]

Not enough

[@GeneSlasten]

Plus 10% cut in top of it ! 😮😢😊

[@MileHile]

Not a dime, according to the IG.

[@SenorTucano]

@@MileHile 🤣

[@bubbadogproductions7403]

When the US puts a aid package together, they don't just pack a briefcase with 20s and fly it to Ukraine. Much of the funds allocated is spent in the US on equipment and ammo, which means pay checks for American workers.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

So, its really a "Jobs Corps" for the MIC?? That's why we should get on board with it??? Insanity.

[@bubbadogproductions7403]

@@trevorsutherland5263 If that what you got out of it ok

[@axle4662]

more like checks to the mic and politicians,not american workers

[@pogo1140]

@@axle4662 Someone has to make the ammo, they don't make themselves. Thats minerals that have to be mined, processed and smelted, computers that have to be built and so on

[@CaptinLongdong1]

No. They also load pallets of cash. Google pallets of cash Iraq.

[@taraskucherenko6661]

Thank you for a well-made report

[@frankpointgod7747]

but you are a bot ha ha ha ha

[@zacharyFNG]

why not build factory for their defence industry either in ukraine or somewhere nearby then they can increase production on their own "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime"

[@antonsierikov7253]

In fact, they work on that. But you understand that Russia regularly attacks military plants in Ukraine. No doubts, it is possible, but more difficult

[@zacharyFNG]

@@antonsierikov7253 i understand that but it's been done in the past and we have alot of great minds or build the factory across the boarder by a few miles

[@khanhnguyen-tt3ff]

and give away trade and military secrets plus building a factory take least 5 years and putting near or in a warzone is a dumb ideas.

[@zacharyFNG]

@@khanhnguyen-tt3ff news flash they do have military factories already and they can reverse engineer the equipment they already have so that makes no sense i never said give them military secrets

[@magigooter2096]

Factories outfitted with the machines, tooling, personnel, and logistics to make modern weaponry take years to come online. Russia would missile strike them long before they were operational and even if they missed a few, what would the war look like by the time they started rolling out usable equipment/munitions? Ukraine is in a no-win situation and the backseat cheerleader Western media is slowly coming around to it.

[@user-fp8hq3bx1b]

There is absolutely no reason that a Javeline should still cost $200K. That’s just gouging to the max. If Iran had the technology, they’d produce it for 1/10 of that and still turn a profit.

[@latino_God]

Iran can’t even build a decent tank or jet fighter 😂

[@Intel-i7-9700k]

That is why Russia is unexpectedly strong. The West thinks that GDP and military budget can be compared numerically. While Russia actually builds a 10x stronger military for every penny spent, due to their lower wages and much higer efficiency. Same goes for Iran and China.

[@treeaboo]

@@Intel-i7-9700k Certainly not efficiency, but definitely purchasing power parity, which is in Russia's favour due to dirt-cheap labour and cheaper materials, largely because of the cheap labour.

[@Intel-i7-9700k]

@@treeaboo I think it is a lot more efficient than NATO production though. Russia armament production is a lot more efficient due to the largely absent expensive management class, and due to them, contrary to NATO, not feeling superiority to others due to high-tech weaponry.

[@latino_God]

@@Intel-i7-9700k all destroyed Orc military junk littering Ukraine soil disagrees with you!

[@Ghhyuttgg]

And US weapons sales went up 51% last year to over $250 BILLION. Sounds like a great return

[@DTMC00]

Woah the russian bots showed up in force on this one.

[@nomad789]

The only part of the russian state that somewhat works

[@trevorsutherland5263]

yet they are always vastly outnumbered by the Ukrainian bots; strange given the relative population size.

[@eioclementi1355]

@@nomad789 nope its just the part of you're side that doesn't work

[@DTMC00]

@@trevorsutherland5263 you are confusing bot with legitimate person, friend. Lots of Americans genuinely support Ukraine. I can verify by talking to humans in real life...

[@WrathOfLust]

@@DTMC00 like faking who? WHO in US wants us to give more than the 150 billion we already gave to a corupt country on the russian border? 2 years we tried to "help" all it did was just get more of them killed, they lived in peace with russia for 100s of years, until we came with democracy and got half a milion of them killed and wounded. All they had to do is say no to NATO for peace. BUT rUsSiAnS aRe EvIL... bro we have a real life example in Georgia, they said no to NATO and Russians didnt touch them for a DECADE. This is literally just Bidens way to launder money.

[@savagecub]

As a former Army attack helicopter pilot of the Cold War era whose job it was to learn everything possible about my Soviet adversary this is money VERY WELL invested. Considering too that 60% of the money allocated is actually going to US defense companies with US workers is outstanding. By helping Ukraine we are significantly WEAKENING the conventional military of an adversary that has had nuclear missiles pointed at our country for over 60 years. All without the cost of single US serviceman. To say I’m ALL for it is a huge understatement.

[@johnnytsunami3695]

You know what you're right one thing America gov doesn't do is pour trillions into it's own military industrial complex imagine if the was didn't happen our military and weapons production factories would be starved.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

You cannot possibly be telling the truth. A soldier would NEVER hire others to fight his enemy for him; he would have the honor to face his enemy himself.

[@ChopperChad]

What exactly about Russia makes them an adversary?

[@Bobbydyland]

100% It's giving equipment to degrade a half century of military buildup by Russia, and at the same time, funding upgrades and replacements for our own outdated equipment. There is no downsides to helping Ukraine.

[@AbuBawa-sw1ut]

The thing is that no matter what they still have nuclear weapons to stop any of your aggression to their territory.

[@888YangJi]

what happen to fullest support.as.long as it take ?🙄

[@Intel-i7-9700k]

It became "as long as we feel like it"

[@888YangJi]

@@Intel-i7-9700k 😂😂

[@mrcommonsensefairness5608]

It turned into: "Until we run out of money."

[@danielb516]

dosnt sweden have a much cheaper version of an anti tank weapon thats like $ 1500 a pop .

[@zico1583]

SRAAW Short Range Anti armour Excellent weapon 💪 Weapon

[@danielb516]

@zico1583 i wasnt really sure how much $$$$ quessing from what i thought i heard . Thank you

[@Stormwern]

Not wanting to spend ~5% of the defense budget on ending Russia as a global threat is so stupid it's hard to put into words.

[@giganigga9624]

Ukraine is not effective enough. They failed most of their counter offensives.

[@IronKreisel]

@@giganigga9624 Russia has 3x the losses compared to Ukraine. The counter offensive was doomed to fail without air superiority, enough mine clearing equipment and enough equipment in genearl. This is a relatively cheap deal to get rid of the russian threat once and for all, and we are not taking it because of misinformation and upcoming elections. Sad.

[@Smarcue2025]

Ending Russia in what way?? The sanctions didn’t work as Russia is outproducing NATO in military hardware and its replacing old equipment with new one

[@lolkevandewitte1713]

Sharp😎

[@crazygamingyt7245]

⁠@@giganigga9624because not matter what weapons u give it matters on the skill

[@gordonmacdowell8117]

As stated in the video and in a similar one (that goes into more detail) by Task and Purpose, the majority of the money earmarked for Ukraine is spent in the US, either on the military or to US vendors (which means more US jobs). A ton of military weapons and weapon platforms being decommissioned (like the M113 carriers) were sent and money used for replacing things that would have been decommissioned anyways. The US would have probably sent their ancient A-10s, but they don't have a lot of survivability in battle spaces where the enemy can fight back. Desperately needed armor arrived last year, but a lot of it arrived too late to be deployed in a summer counter-attack. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qX3OmIWAps6das0

[@MrSloika]

More US jobs! Money borrowed to build gear that's immediately blown up is an example of an efficient economy? How about doing something crazy like spending money in America TO BENEFIT AMERICANS? Yeah I know, crazy.

[@SimplySketchyXbox]

@@MrSloikait’s literally spent to build weapons in America…….

[@radudumitriu9444]

@@MrSloika Relax Ivan :)

[@user-wz7ef1fv4m]

Oh wow!! what a logic!!! If that is the case then why don't Europeans deal their own problems by investing the tax payers money into weapon production thereby creating jobs for the europeans and a boom for their economy. What you said or task and purpose channel said makes no sense. Task & purpose makes 3-4 videos a week on critical subjects many of which are far beyond his understanding. Of course he would have to say something different and outrageous to get the views. USSR went broke and eventually broke up because the union was investigating heavily on military and mass weapon production rather than focusing on other sectors of the economy. The USSR was spending 5% of their budget on defense but the CIA suggested that they could be spending as high as 11-12%. By your and task & purpose channel logic shouldn't the Soviet Union have witnessed an unprecedented economic growth because they were creating so many jobs? No wonder out of all the informative & excellent military and war related channels. Task & purpose is your go to.

[@dennisyoung7363]

It's not creating jobs, it's creating an expense to tax payers.

[@user-um7lq3dw5c]

A lot of money for the arms industry

[@user-ee7bz3ip2b]

The European Union is almost on parity with the US economy. They need to kick in to gear, considering they are most at risk

[@khanhnguyen-tt3ff]

The European Union economy( Germany) basically is build on Russia cheap gas, and it a big ask to divert funding form social program to fund defend.

[@ursinecanine9657]

The funds haven't "gone" anywhere and you know it wsj. An point zero of the US military budget has been allocated for Ukrainian spending in American arms sector. The allocated sum, spent with your manufacturers, will be repaid in full. Just like Britain did after ww2. Your dealers get paid by government, then Ukraine repays your government. Your making easy money and supporting freedom and democracy.

[@debeichmann236]

Simple and easy to understand. I don’t know why people want to complicate the issue other than to support Putin.

[@boxcutter0]

Your number is incorrect, and much of the aid is essentially a gift. Europe should have been doing more for decades… I’m for improved aid to Ukraine, but improved oversight & accountability is also needed.

[@ReRiderChi]

ukraine is going to pay us back?

[@alexeyeryomin2962]

Simple & easy - 100 000 000 $

[@garzongarzon7514]

But if ukrania loses the war nobody gets payed, and other countries will no longer trust EEUU

[@lovebaltazar4610]

Ukraine can exhaust russia's stockpiles if they keep receiving support from other countries, that's how they win. No side will run out of soldiers.

[@johnnytsunami3695]

The West isn't even able to out produce Russia at this point

[@trevorsutherland5263]

Wow. Ukraine 38M, Russia 144M. So when Russia only has 106M people and Ukraine the way of the T-Rex, then the war ends?

[@lepetitroquet9410]

@@trevorsutherland5263 At most 300k ukrainian casualties according to the russian MoD. So 150k per year during a very high intensity conflict and with Russia having the biggest of advantages they could ever hope to enjoy were the western aid to continue. So to kill 38M, it would take, assuming that they completely stop making babies at all for some reason (8.5 baby per 1000 inhabitants per year in Ukraine), it would take 253 years for your absurd scenario to take place. I can assure you with absolute certainty that Russia would be completely exhausted way, way before such a long time would have passed ;p.

[@DoubleGoon]

@@johnnytsunami3695 They are already. Putin just had more reserves of obsolete Soviet era tanks.

[@Klote3241]

@@johnnytsunami3695 we dont need to out produce Russia. we are not shooting 100 times and missing 50 to 75% of the shots. Ukraine's artillery is almost a 1 for 1 ratio when it comes to artillery kills. People saying we need to out produce in weapons have 0 sense of what Ukraine requires to win this war.

[@FunDogStory]

The US withdrawing her support suddenly has been depending on congress throughout the history of US involvement in many wars. It is not a new issue.

[@paulbedichek5177]

Yes,but Trump is a communist , we were have never been in danger from such a traitor before.

[@lordgarion514]

The funds went underground, and the funding stopped because the funds went underground. Seems quite simple.

[@j.erickson8571]

We better help Ukraine as soon as possible. This will not end well if American support is blocked for months under the current circumstances. How long can Ukraine hold the front line without ammo or weapons? It is a matter of time until we have a nightmare scenario. Even on the defensive, you need ammo to hold back the enemy. And, by the way, it is our fault the counter-offensive failed. Everybody knew about the air superiority problem.

[@johnnytsunami3695]

Ukraine got everything they asked for except F-16s they were the ones who claimed they would be in Crimea, they were the ones who made trailers about the counter offensive. They are the ones who said what we gave them would be enough to push Russia out.

[@thesquirrelscream6414]

@@johnnytsunami3695 When did they say that?

[@j.erickson8571]

@@johnnytsunami3695 That was then, but the problem they are facing is happening now. We can point fingers at each other, and still, Putin's army keeps pushing. They have made serious mistakes, and I am sure they know it. I want to see action from Congress.

[@-KOMMUNIST-]

Себе помоги😂

[@johnnytsunami3695]

@@thesquirrelscream6414 They said the goal of the counter offensive was to push Russia out. They only went on the counter offensive becuase they were given what they believe they needed to achieve that. That's the who point of a counteroffensive.

[@filipmitrovic4103]

Ukraine is paying huge price for being "friend" with US as Kissinger once said.

[@dirtyharry6297]

Kissinger is totally compromised guy who loved money from any side.

[@cryptdk2400]

durka durka orc language

[@domerame5913]

They are paying for being 'friend' with US? i'm pretty sure they are paying the price of having russia invade, being friends with US only correlates with being successful

[@naturalnonsense]

we already paid higher prices for being friends with russia in the past

[@dirtyharry6297]

EU have no problem having US as a friend. Never mind compromised old man

[@uptoapoint7157]

Lots of sticky hands for the money at both ends of the deal.

[@Joaquin546]

You have no idea what's going on.

[@ramal5708]

The other side of the argument is that these "pricey and high tech" weapons killed more Russians than having to have send US troops to do so, sending troops and maintain them costs way more than sending only weapons and vehicles. The war in Vietnam in the first year US sent troops there costed 12 billion dollars in 1965 only for the troops and vehicles but not economic aid for the South Vietnamese, that's about 120 billion dollars today adjusting inflation, imagine asking Congress for 120 billion for the war against the Russians. The US sent 110 billions worth of both economic aid and military aid so it's cheaper than what the US spent in Vietnam.

[@342Rodry]

The west was slow in helping ukraine, this war would have ended a year ago in the summer counteroffensive if ukraine had all the weapons they needed.

[@Blue_Monk_]

😂😂😂 are you talking about Russian Counter offensive?

[@342Rodry]

@@Blue_Monk_ this war is all about ammasing equipment and crashing against a wall, and that apply for both sides.

[@NowAndToEternity]

@@342Rodry you should be a comedian like Zelensky cause your comment is so funny and you are a joke.

[@eioclementi1355]

This war will never end on the battlefield

[@SomeOne-ph1gw]

⁠@@eioclementi1355i personally think that the war will end, when Putin is no longer in power. Until that day this war will continue.

[@SiLoMixMaster]

When this all inevitably fails spectacularly, Zelensky will become the scapegoat and be blamed for it all going wrong.

[@KennyNGA]

To be fair he did many things wrong

[@SiLoMixMaster]

@@KennyNGA True but so have NATO

[@hohhan1978]

​@@KennyNGAdo you mean all things?

[@hohhan1978]

To be fair he has been blamed to do stupid harmful desigion since he became President. Now he just getting up to speed with his stupidity.

[@the_steamtrain1642]

I mean let's be real here, so far the majority of what went out was old stuff anyway, I kinda dislike Adam Something but I think he made a perfect example (not quoting directly) - Israel gets to bomb the Gaza strip every day with the newest equipment while Ukraine has to make due with old stuff that would be taken out of service in a few years anyway if you compare Nato and the EU to a friend group they would be the group that bickers for a week about how the bill from last dinner should be divided among them

[@MrMacavity]

Europe is still supporting Ukraine as much as we can, but more help is needed for sure.

[@vladddtfan]

So not a single case of any funding being stolen.. what is this story about?

[@yankee1376]

The long, hard war.

[@georgecostanza2695]

You forgot to mention how much goes straight into the pockets of politicians and oligarchs… I’d figure around 20%. Anybody who’s been to Europe lately in places like Rome, Milan, Paris, London, Ibiza, and Monaco, one can easily see with their own eyes how much cash these people (from a war torn country) are spending… they aren’t shy about it.

[@jamesscott4574]

Probably not 20%, that's Russian level corruption. I'd estimste closer to 2% corruption. The west has its issues but nowhere near countries the rest of the world generally speaking.

[@oleksii000]

Source: ruzzian trolls on the internet with no proofs?

[@georgecostanza2695]

@@oleksii000 I can’t be bothered to look it up, but if you must have it, the proof is out there. Numerous officials have said, on numerous occasions, on the record, that a sizeable portion of the materiel and monetary support going to Ukraine simply can not be accounted for.

[@oleksii000]

@@georgecostanza2695 the only resources I could find are linked to ruzzian news. Very reliable 😂

[@milliondollalic]

Intro is vastly misleading. We have allocated $113.4bn for aid to Ukraine, of this $113.4bn, we have sent roughly $75bn so far.

[@user-oi4tj4pp8q]

The military 'aid' is calculated on the replacement price, but most of the stuff being sent to Ukraine is old kit ready for replacement anyway... so essentially the pentagon is getting new stuff the old stuff is put to use and the pentagon doesn't have to find ways of disposing the old stuff.....

[@DDWRT88]

@@user-oi4tj4pp8qI'm sure many third world countries would love our abrahms tanks or howitzers or helicopers for that matter.

[@HiMr9]

Hold a vote to see what the American people want to do. And while your at it, do the same regarding the Southern border.

[@Izzy-qf1do]

Keep drinking the Kool aid

[@thulomanchay]

The vote will show the American people want to go to war, and keep the Southern border open.

[@Joaquin546]

The republicans screwed themselves trying to tie military aid to the border! 😂😂

[@TheRightONe-et3gh]

AND ISRAEL?

[@HiMr9]

@@TheRightONe-et3gh , especially

[@RegCostello]

WSJ failed to mention that the latest spending package included 14 billion for border security, that it had cross party approval but was voted down due to Trump's intervention. They also failed to mention that the EU funding is agreed on by all members except Hungary.

[@sinistersilverado965]

the 14 billion wasn't for border security, it was to hire more bureaucrat's to process asylum applications

[@RegCostello]

@@sinistersilverado965 Wrong. Biden made compromises on border security which were acceptable to the majority of Republicans, but Trump publicly intervened to scupper it because it would have also helped Biden politically. In the same vein he stated that he hoped the economy would crash so that it would hurt Biden politically.

[@mattsmith-ri3lp]

Trump....lol. You realise he's not in the government 😂😂😂

[@aeroman5239]

It's because the WSJ is just another version of Fox Entertainment masquerading as a legit newspaper. WSJ supports "guess who"? Yup, the Orange Jesus.

[@downstream0114]

@@mattsmith-ri3lp That doesn't matter when you have a cult of personality.

[@user-microburst]

Putin’s reach in the reps is something Reagan would no believe you if you told him in the 80s after coming out of a time machine

[@Fuzzybeanerizer]

Really makes you wonder what hold Putin has on Trump. And possibly others.

[@user-cx7pe7ly7z]

I pray for more funding and aid to go to Ukraine, God bless

[@denonavarra5567]

Me too

[@againstviralmisinformation510]

I don’t, I pray for more funding for American citizens

[@Polish-Knight]

God does not help child murderers

[@cliveloosley8018]

What your piece fails to recognised is that a huge proportion of the military aid sent to Ukraine has exceeded the officially designated service life. At that time it is considered unusable by US forces, technically without monetary value, and its removal from service stock triggers new purchase orders for American manufacturers as a matter of course. Washington, has therefore been able to send much of this technically unserviceable and valueless equipment to Ukraine, at no cost to the taxpayer. But when announcing aid packages, instead of saying “We’ve had to replace it anyway, because it’s service life has expired” it is portrayed as being a financially valuable “gift” to Ukraine, and has the value of new, replacements attributed to it. This means that in addition to the lucrative ongoing procurement contracts which rely on specified service life and replacement, The administration has been able to secure funding to pay for an enlargement of U.S. military stockpiles, by pretending that aid to Ukraine has cost exponentially more than it has.

[@DDWRT88]

So you are saying we are sending Ukraine Howitzers that do not work and need to be replaced???

[@riocox6445]

The Rand Corporation is running out of us aid. Please Please help these folks. If this keeps up they may not get as rich as they want to.

[@slimerone]

MOAR MONEY!!!!

[@RorkesDriftVC]

It's taken 2 years, but it looks like NATO has awakened to the threat. Stocks are so low. For example, Germany would run out of 155 mm shells in a matter of days. Building capacity will take time.

[@thulomanchay]

It will take three years. I know, Germany said so. NATO say Russia will attack them in three years. How do they know? Simple, NATO will provoke Russia again in three years.

[@migproductions4045]

What a load of COBBLERS! The world will remember how the US cowers in the face of Russia.

[@craiglefevre4087]

Seems like many ex military are honing their resume for positions in the defence industry.

[@bigmidge7104]

Kinda makes you wish the last 2 peace agreements between Ukraine and Russia weren't stalled out doesn't it? I feel for the Ukrainian and Russian people who had to die for nothing.

[@danielstory2761]

Putin is unwilling to leave Ukrainian territory. If a murderer says he wants to stop fighting, but refuses to leave your house while continuing to swing his knife at you, what would you do?

[@moiseshuerta3984]

​@danielstory2761 You put your wife and children lives at risk for a house? Ya obviously don't have a family. A cat?

[@danielstory2761]

@@moiseshuerta3984 If your house is your country, there is nowhere else to go, and your family is inside the house, yes

[@moiseshuerta3984]

@@danielstory2761 Over 190 countries to migrate to. Ukranians desperate to leave Ukraine well before the war. First choice of destination:Russia.

[@bigmidge7104]

@@danielstory2761 do you really understand what this war is about? Do you understand why the cold war ended or why the Berlin wall came down? What about the Cuban missile crisis? If so, you can understand why Putin wouldn't want a US/NATO Navy base in Crimea.

[@greatndit]

do you know the real price of javelin missile ? patriot rocket ? himars rocket ? do you know if the price is overpriced ? only a few people know and that's exactly how corruption begin

[@SeanD808]

4 mil for a patriot missile.... total corruption...

[@greatndit]

@@SeanD808 Agree 👍

[@K17ASU]

And russian Kinzhal costs below 1 mil, yeah....

[@paulbedichek5177]

Yes,the prices are well known, they are very reasonably priced. But they need to be fighting in Russia ,not Ukraine, missles and aircraft destroying Russian roads, power plants ,rail and arms factories.

[@greatndit]

@@paulbedichek5177 Aaah yesss , of course we can search it on google right ?🤣

[@TheNemocharlie]

If money is the problem in supporting Ukraine, just wait and see the cost of not supporting them.

[@pietskiet42-_]

What is the economic value of Europe for Russia? Europe has no significant mineral deposits compared to Russia 😅😅😅

[@kevinfrost7180]

I would just like to point out that if the United States abandoned an ally in such a situation everyone else would do the same with the United States. There is an interview with Giuseppe Conte, former Italian Prime Minister and now parliamentarian where he said that we must stop buying military equipment from the United States is to focus on internal production and today it was announced that Italy will supply itself with leopards with gun produced in Italy, I invite to consider this fact

[@bradleyanderson4315]

Just lately Zelansky had to fire yet another aide. He had spent $40 million for 120 mm mortar ammunition but Ukraine had received bupkiss.

[@Fuzzybeanerizer]

The old Soviet corruption does not die overnight, but at least you say the guy got fired for it.

[@downstream0114]

Fighting corruption.

[@ik9116]

No he just fired general Zalushny....

[@ryanclark3967]

@@ik9116 fake news.

[@khanaliqasim1757]

​@@ryanclark3967It happened now

[@Adam-jj8yy]

We the people are poor at home!

[@marklumpkin]

To the Big Guy!

[@MonkeydPuffy609]

Idk about war torn, look like their citizens enjoying life, partying etc..

[@Riomojo]

If you can’t defend yourself in war with $114,000,000,000 of free money, you deserve to lose.

[@thulomanchay]

That's flawed. You need more.

[@odissey2]

The actual military aid id only $1 bil per month. That's all. The rest is... you know

[@thulomanchay]

@@odissey2 The 1 billion dollars per month was for the running of the Ukraine government. Its separate from the military aid packages whose value is in tens of billions per package.

[@odissey2]

@@thulomanchay Nope. 1 billion per month is all the military aid (shells, munitions, etc. ) for the Ukraine army. That's it. That amount does not include salaries or any other "humanitarian" aid.

[@123Dunebuggy]

The cost of defeat is much higher.

[@andrejparunovic6888]

The US is not at war. There's no "defeat"

[@123Dunebuggy]

@@andrejparunovic6888 The possible defeat of Ukraine.

[@chopinmack5418]

Where Have U.S. Funds Gone ? Most going to the pockets of , 1. The Military Industrial Complex 2. The politicians of both the US & Ukraine ( and their wives )

[@briancavanagh7048]

Perun & Task & Purpose do a lot better job of explaining the situation. The misinformation is overwhelming to the uninformed is beyond belief.

[@ionelcalinmicle6176]

Ukraine has lost, stop wasting money on them 😂

[@ChrisWBarker]

Europe needs to pick up the slack if we can't rely on the US

[@nenasiek]

We are, slowly, within 18 months we will have the same production capacity as russia but its taking to long. I also think our politicians are starting to understand that the u.s main focus is now asia not europe

[@pogo1140]

Europe provided almost half the aid

[@MakerInMotion]

@@pogo1140 Yeah if you count socks and underwear as "aid".

[@pogo1140]

@@MakerInMotion One of the Baltic countries sent it's entire military helicopter fleet to Ukraine, France donated much of it's brand new SP Artillery, Poland raided it's warehouses for anything that the Ukrainians could use as soon as they got to them and put them on trains to Ukraine, even taking apart some of their MiG-29's and sending them as "spare parts" and yes, some like Hungary refused to send anything preferring to cooperate with Putin.

[@dthompson7643]

@@MakerInMotion The democrat's offered to send rainbow flags and pronoun badges.

[@GSorinYT]

One should ask how is the inflation and unemployment so low in US in order to figure out what's happening, all while Europe got the short end of the stick

[@walteralcostan]

$$$$$ MONEY MONEY MONEY for Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, RTX Corporation and BlackRock!!

[@dpie4859]

I am deeply disappointed in Republicans not helping Ukraine. Its also supporting Iran, North Korea and China -Russian allies by not helping Ukraine defending its freedom. Shame on you!

[@michaelwilson9921]

But its not Republicans stopping further aid to Ukraine. Only one man is responsible for that - Joe Biden. It is he who continues to choose illegals and his open border policy over Ukraine.

[@AlexIvanov-zd8hg]

Freedom? Do you mean Ukraine defends nazi regime?

[@saiford-mg5qg]

america goverment for american people, america taxpayer for american people.

[@shayaldwarka7907]

Defending freedom. Ukraine was already occupied in 2014 with the help of western backed neo nazis that they funded. Making Ukraine a puppet. Now cry when russia reacts back to NATO'S aggression. Republicans know better that Russia is not an enemy. Superpowers should not be at war with each other. Defending your borders against invaders is what is best. Just how russia is concerned and took action against NATO terrorist. Republicans are doing the same

[@utubesuckbad]

@@shayaldwarka7907 woha there, that's a lot of copy pasta there igor. +1 potatoo shall be added to your account keep it up putler is proud of every vatniks

[@nicofit3656]

They saw that they got no return on their investment and just dropped them like a bad habit.

[@elchicano187]

Help Ukraine 🇺🇦 now!

[@janvanpelt5572]

Nobody understands " Life is a deal " better than the US weapen industry !!! Without wars the US goes broke !!! 😂

[@ludimilojko546]

Ukraine does not need weapons, it needs a PEACE!!!!!

[@ua697]

"Peace for our time" 1938/2024

[@itsyaboimirage3473]

"Peace" under russian occupation?

[@IronKreisel]

@@itsyaboimirage3473 Yep exactly. And after that Moldova needs "Peace", then Estonia, then Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, etc. etc. Its time to stop these orcs now.

[@mata9806]

​@@itsyaboimirage3473 Russia is liberating their people from a nazi regime. Go educate on this warr before pointing fingers.

[@khanhnguyen-tt3ff]

@@mata9806 yeah to live in a communist regime , hey everyone can lie on the internet

[@_VforValentine_]

This is why I think Poland is militarizing. If Trump/USA leaves NATO at least they will have a good standing force.

[@EdinProfa]

They had one in 18th century and in 1939. also.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

Poland looks strong on paper, however Storm-Z has two years of brutal combat experience. I would not put my money on Poland being able to stop Russia by itself.

[@amogus7617]

​@@trevorsutherland5263If u take it into perspective, poland can crush russia, but theres still a huge roadblock like belarus.

[@pandatv5181]

what kind of shrooms are you on xD@@amogus7617

[@mathewguerrero8203]

“Makes no sense to shoot a 4M missile at a $20k drone.” He’s right cause, war is a business.

[@user-Bornagain]

This is the price of American intervention in the world. It doesn't come cheap.

[@jaymichaelruss6872]

Gotta love how us Americans made a deal with Ukraine in the 1990s (I believe, dates may be different), if Ukraine, then number 3 nuclear power in the world gives up their nukes to Russia. We promised to protect them against all Russian agression. We’re doing a horrible job at keeping our word.

[@SeanD808]

Did they pass a law regarding that? Ukraine isn't a US ALLY....

[@papapsych2746]

No we didn't, and Ukraine broke the Budapest Memorandum at the end of 2021. Ukraine did nothing but sell arms to African warlords in the 1990's to early 2000's, they would of sold nukes too.

[@davidwolf8991]

@@papapsych2746 "Budapest Memorandum at the end of 2021" what an idiotic statement to make, you do realize that Russia annexed Crimea years before.

[@papapsych2746]

@@davidwolf8991 Crimea is 99% Russian, until 1954 Crimea was in Russia, and given to Ukraine by Nikita Khrushchev. Crimea also held a referendum where surprise, surprise, its Russian population wanted overwhelmingly to be a part of Russia and not the new De facto regime. It's not realistic to expect Russia to give up its only black sea port in any degree because Victoria Nuland and John McCain said so. I could bring up plenty of examples of the United States doing the same thing in the past, and currently ongoing in Iraq.

[@davidwolf8991]

@@papapsych2746 That is straight up historically wrong. "Crimea also held a referendum where surprise, surprise, its Russian population wanted overwhelmingly to be a part of Russia and not the new De facto regime." The 1991 referendum in Crimea was held as part of the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Citizens were asked to vote on the independence of Crimea within Ukraine. The 1991 referendum is considered to have legal standing as it took place within the framework of the Soviet legislation. Subsequently, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Crimea joined Ukraine. It's crucial to note that the Russian Federation recognized the 1991 referendum, leading to further complications and controversies. Furthermore there have been multiple other bilateral treaties, Russo-Ukrainian friendship treaty in which Russia recognized Crimea as part of Ukraine. You have been fed so much disinformation its just annoying. " It's not realistic to expect Russia to give up its only black sea port in any degree because Victoria Nuland and John McCain said so." The Russian-Ukrainian Fleet Agreement was valid until 2042.

[@Xdc5]

Ukraine doesn't need and has not asked for US troops. They need weapons and equipment.

[@pyromcr]

That’s a massive lie. The Hohols have been begging for full NATO intervention for a long time

[@xpowerlegendx]

But why does a 155 shell cost so much?

[@arceusthegod2325]

It costs 800$ i think

[@wrightvcx2249]

I must say good reporting by wsj.

[@ik9116]

Brought to you by Raytheon/Boeing/GeneralDynamic/Grupman .....

[@wrightvcx2249]

​@@ik9116 lol

[@krishnakatikitala-bw1xo]

But wait didn't Russia ran out of missiles last summer and all they have in their hands are shovels 😂😂😂😂

[@zornanrichards]

Russia was running out of missiles, but due to Iran and NK, they have replaced stock for both missiles and parts for domestic production. There are always groups that aid sides in wars, many times groups support both sides.

[@Mr.Patrick_Hung]

@@zornanrichards You listen to too much American propaganda... Russia makes missiles, lots of missiles and can always make more. They still have extra to sell to Iran and North Korea.

[@krishnakatikitala-bw1xo]

@@zornanrichards fun facts all these countries are under heavy US sanctions for decades 🙄 ...I mean some out smarted you Brandon .. the trajectory of the war is sealed sellensky 😂😂😂

[@avik4343]

​@@zornanrichardsthey are only buying drones and ammunitions from them. Russia does not need to buy missiles from others.

[@januszkorczak8172]

They ran out missiles, but assembled new ones with western chips because sanctiones don't work and nobody cares about it in the west.

[@web2yt488]

Dont forget US are now exporting more Natural gas to Europe, replacing Russian gas. This is highly lucrative and a long term boon Also, the funding goes into modernising and scaling up US domestic industry. Its rejuvenating US manufacturing and ensuring they are better position to deter Chinese government aggression

[@lostline01]

Uuhh the problem is that Russia still sells an enormous amounts of gas to Asia plus gets a lot and i mean a lot of money from selling weapons and nuclear plants all over the world. Russia's income is not only natural resources

[@SeanD808]

They just "put on hold" more LNG terminals... Biden is Satan...

[@francotrinh5692]

Thanks to the sanctions enacted by Biden,many countries begin turning their backs on the US dollar and the cooperation between Russia and China made China became stronger

[@user-ss2kw2tm9l]

What Chinese agression? When was the last time China invaded a foreign country? And in how many nilitary conflcits has the US been involved since the WW2? It's borderline ridiculous how perhaps the most warmongering nation in the world accuses CHINA of being aggressive.

[@user-oi4tj4pp8q]

Russia has lost out on market share in armaments firstly because its arms have proven to be not that great and because they are in need of their own production for the frontlines- delays and non deliveries are normal.. in fact they are now massive importers of arms and related products from North Korea , Iran and China @@lostline01

[@aker9046]

Save you a click, and six and a half minutes: Q: Where Have U.S. Funds Gone? A: Corrupt Ukrainian officials' pockets!

[@itl_diecast]

Surprised it didnt make me subscribe before I could watch

[@tesac_182]

US aid or US debt ?

[@Joaquin546]

😂😂😂 you know nothing

[@user-xd2xc9xd9w]

These large sums are not just assistance to Ukraine, it is a reduction in the likelihood that young citizens of the United States and NATO in general will have to deal directly with the same losses that the Ukrainians suffer.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

So, your slogan is: "Support taxpayer money for Ukraine so they die and we don't"

[@user-xd2xc9xd9w]

Unfortunately, the situation is such that Ukrainians have nowhere to go. And the United States and Europe, partly on the part of government bodies, partly because of some of the citizens of these countries, were forced to form such a valuable argument. I would like to point out a not unreasonable argument.

[@Tbone1492]

Stop it....They can't even move anymore. That argument is old. If he wanted NATO. He would go for it

[@Tbone1492]

@@perhloRAT #2014? Maybe you right. Obama was weak. How is this NATO problem? Millions of Ukrainians want Russia and millions don't. They tried and couldn't get through!🤷‍♂️

[@shatchett0]

That is an unbelievable number for Ukraine. Unreal.

[@pogo1140]

What Ukraine got was the annual Russian MOD budget. Since then their budget has nearly doubled, an the aid to Ukraine will need to increase

[@Darelis-ft3gm]

Ukraine needs peace!!!

[@maxbounce5736]

There’s too many comments suggesting that the Budapest Memorandum obliges the signatories to anything. A memorandum is not a formal treaty. Look it up, the US (and others) never guaranteed anything to Ukraine.

[@Fuzzybeanerizer]

Apparently the Ukrainian-language version used a firmer word than the English "assurances" but yes it is more of a moral obligation than a legal obligation... and I guess you don't believe in keeping those?

[@Fuzzybeanerizer]

I will point out that the actual President of the United States, President of Russia, Prime Minister of the UK, and President of Ukraine all got together in one place and at one time to sign the Budapest Memorandums. It was taken pretty seriously, not a trivial task delegated to low-level diplomats.

[@martusialuba]

It was an obligation and not a law. Not supporting Ukraine now, just shows that the US is not a reliable ally.

[@maxbounce5736]

@@Fuzzybeanerizer, Article IX. External and Internal Security, paragraph 5 reads: “The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.”)

[@maxbounce5736]

@@Fuzzybeanerizer I do, but the US doesn’t so… Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner (National Security Archive).

[@RorkesDriftVC]

The Ukrainians need all the support we can give. The U.S. has a lot more to lose in this fight than most people realize.

[@devilik3692]

🤡🤡

[@jsimmons9969]

Like what?

[@avik4343]

​@@jsimmons9969like , a proxy state like Ukraine.

[@dthompson7643]

@@jsimmons9969 Don't you know that Putin is planning on invading Alaska next🤣

[@RorkesDriftVC]

@@jsimmons9969We've had 80 years of peace in Europe because of collective security. I know Ukraine isn't a part of NATO, but NATO is at stake. Putin wants to end collective security. Smaller nations will be more open to intimidation. This becomes destabilizing.

[@briand5379]

My favorite part is equipment that was going to be destroyed or given away to developing countries is being sent to Ukraine and that's considered a part of the aid package.

[@lolsovs]

Imagine reducing one of your major strategic enemies to bits, just by spending fractions of your annual military budget and 0 (ZERO!!!) of your own soldiers.... And then still complaining about it.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

?? Russia is vastly stronger today than they were two years ago. Your comment makes no sense

[@charlemagne9449]

tell this to ukranians 😂

[@lolsovs]

@@trevorsutherland5263 sure bro, quality of troops usually goes up as recruitment and training is sped up...