ULTIMATE CAVALRY Power Rankings For Bannerlord Patch 1.0. & 1.9.

This is a 1.0. & 1.9. Bannerlord in Depth Analysis of 11 Cavalry Troops: Horseman, Mounted Skirmisher, Vanguard, Banner Knight, Vanguard Faris, Elite Cataphract, Horse Raider, Druzhinnik Champion, Heavy Lancer, Khan's Guard
This video is part of a Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord Playlist where we analyze each unit in the game and provide Data on their Performance.
1.0. & 1.9. Spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Have you ever asked yourself if the Horseman is Over Powered? Well i kinda hope not. But asking if Cavalry is OP in 1.0. is a legit question.
In this video we are here to answer just that.
Good thing i have more time than neurons, so i can dedicate a mentally insane amount of time in creating such videos.
There have been no changes from patch 1.9. to 1.0. regarding troops. So the data is still as valid as it was when the video was first released
And remember, criticism and constructive feedback are always appreciated.

[@LyonExodus]

Might i ask you your opinion on the Thumbnail?

[@hugobakker8826]

its great!

[@Carl007Jr]

I like it.

[@requiemaeternam3406]

Nice and clear

[@zuozuomu17]

简直完美 ！

[@AbelDuviant]

On the one hand, I love that cavalry is better. On the other, FUCK, KHUZAITS ARE EVEN BETTER

[@LyonExodus]

they haven't even followed the same proportional improvements than most. The bloody Lancer is 14,8x better than before. KHUZAIT MAFIA is real

[@yatmanto6952]

glad you point this out. they buffed cav by improving their thrusting aquratcy and tendency to coach, while also nerffed infantry by spacing them out especially defestating to the sqare formation's capability to stopping cav charge. infantry is going to hv a hard time in this patch.

[@macisasandwich]

+1 to everyone's comments on this video being the best yet. Your presentation on this video was spot on. I had no trouble listening to this video audio-only and got all my curiosities satisified. Great stuff man!

[@RovalisGTO]

Hey man, I just want to say thank you for doing these deep-dives into the numbers and running tests, extrapolating data, and delivering it with visual aids as well as explanation. You do a really good job and the game is probably better for having you do it.

[@roilad866]

Thanks you for your patience, precision, and dedication in making this video very informative and concise. Very usefulll video!

[@music4therapy189]

Loving your content, man. Been looking forward to this vid dropping since the update and will def watch when I get off work later! Keep up the good work! Your style very much reminds me of another successful KZbinr I subbed to (Freeze)... he does informative For Honor content, providing frame data and analysis. Back when I played FH his content was def a go-to, same as yours now with BL.

[@anthonychojvang]

Thanks for taking time to make this extremely detailed test!

[@LyonExodus]

Enjoy, until TW is going to change the AI again

[@lele_iO]

Thanks for all the work u put in this Video. Wow! Ill try more cav next playthr.

[@epyjacek]

This was great, I appreciate the data and you being open about the methodology.

[@LyonExodus]

the showcase of the tests will be always in all longer videos going forward. Just in case

[@KakavashaForever]

Great video as always, look forward to more!

[@Bappit_]

Did you get a new mic? Your commentary in this video is way clearer than normal. You’re not rushing anything and your data is much presented in a more understandable format. You’ve taken those feedback questions really well and this is by far the best analysis video you’ve made yet! Keep it up Lyon 😊

[@LyonExodus]

Same Mic as usual. I simply took more takes on certain parts. Before trimming it down to around 22m the audio file was over 40m long. I am glad the video format is clear and understandable, a bit messy maybe. but will look to clean it up going forward.

[@michaelhaverman710]

Its true I can hear him mispronouncing every other word with crystal clarity.

[@LyonExodus]

You just can't appreciate someone who is speaking a second language can you?

[@lessthanonegaming]

@LyonExodus always funny to me, I bet if you ask the average English speaker to pronounce (I'm assuming eastern European) languages like Romanian or polish they'd butcher every word lol

[@Eddison33]

Kudos to you for taking the time to run all of these tests! Increasing the horses' speed and charge damage is something that should have been done a long time ago. And it seems to do its job. I'm also really glad about Vanguard Farises not dying like flies) Khan's guards are still OP and, if we let them use archery, they would have slaughtered everything... but at least other units become better) Looking forward to see pikemen at work!

[@JakeBaldwin1]

Can't wait for pike blocks.

[@draxxbergeron3083]

Wow... great, high-quality video! Thanks.

[@savic101]

Amazing vid, they keep getting better Great stuff man

[@LyonExodus]

i am glad they are. i was a bit uneasy about this one. mostly due to the mess creating all of those layers was. But it turned out alright in the end. Not even close to perfect but you can expect the data part to get much better going forward

[@kellymccarthy7109]

Your videos are so fucking good. Voice, editing, visuals. Please don't change. You're definitely going to get a lot more viewers when this game goes live and comes to consoles.

[@GauisBfan]

Been waiting on this one-can’t wait

[@cadence5902]

great vid! excited for the pikeman vid

[@moiseman]

God damn that is amazing data. Thanks for the dedication, it's amazing data for someone like who hasn't played bannerlord in a year.

[@Gravenangel]

Amazing video!

[@Lionkncplays]

I would love some analysis on the mercenary troops like the Arboreal, Boar Champion, etc. I really like this type of videos

[@TheNEOverse]

They all shit from what I can recall. T4 potency often come across as half arsed makes them weak.

[@ethansmith8813]

Same dude. I want to try a only mercenary troop campaign

[@elliot9854]

Much prefer this layout of data, it's informative and comprehensive. thanks for your hard work

[@LyonExodus]

Will look to keep it as it is but make it more polished for next one

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Very interested to see this one, didn't realize there had been an update cuz I've been off in RPG land lol

[@LyonExodus]

Honestly i didn't even expect an update that fast. The duality of TW. 3 months of 1.8. but 1 week of 1.8.1.

[@3Abdul3]

Love this video ❤️

[@omnitheman9254]

Would have liked to have seen more gameplay of the units fighting each other so I could have "Seen The Results". But regardless this is a fantastic video, thank you for doing all the hard maths for me it was very informative. Keep up the good work!

[@LyonExodus]

There are only a few minutes of combat in the whole video. The idea was to have more combat but if i wanted to release the video around this time this seemed like the best option.

[@omnitheman9254]

@@LyonExodus To be honest with you, thinking about it now, if you added the combat gameplay the video it might have turned out way too long. I think you made the right call for the videos quality and message overall and in any case you can always release gameplay for the units some overtime. Anyway just so you now I have yet to see anyone cover the new mercenary units with gameplay yet, so unfortunately no one really knows how they operate "physically on the field" and if they're even worth getting? There is a new pike infantryman and new hammer infantryman and I don't think anybody has tested them or show gameplay of them at all... which is strange. Not even the sword sisters have gameplay. (Sorry just ranting, haven't had time to test them myself but will on release of the patch. Keep up the good work your videos great! )

[@LyonExodus]

i must agree that it did feel like the right choice to not use footage. Main reason was that if i used footage, while also providing the numbers on screen it would have become harder to follow, and overall wouldn't have left enough time for the on screen data to be read. It is indeed strange combat footage is missing. As far as my testings are going to operate: I do plan to test the new T5 mercs, but likely in a less deep way than the common units. Like i did with the Sisters in this video

[@omnitheman9254]

@@LyonExodus Awesome man and thank you for responding, looking forward to seeing the new mercenary units in action and I agree with you not adding the combat footage the video would have been too long I think. overall very informative video, good to have something I can go back to and look at in the future going into the new patch.

[@pendantblade6361]

F1+F3 intensifies

[@DecentVibes]

Love your detailed explanation on these troops! giving you a sub for amazing analysis. Off topic, i have many bow based companions but they are defaulting to infantry formation, is there anyway to force them into archery formation? Thanks!

[@LyonExodus]

Glad you appreciate the work. On the companions there is currently an issue related to that. There is who says the companions are assigned to the formation that better suits their skills. And other that says that they are assigned to the formation that better suits their background. Hopefully TW can figure out a way to fix it quickly, because previously, it was based on their equipment and it was intuitive.

[@varpix5026]

as always a great video.

[@berndbobbels2304]

Thank you !

[@Strat-Guides]

Wow this must have taken ages to do! Nice work. On a different note, I've done well over 2000 of these tests myself, are you suggesting my data is not accurate because I used RTS mod to speed it up?

[@LyonExodus]

Not as accurate as doing it on 1x speed. But taking 2000 samples for a general guide wouldn't be easy to do unless you call in a dozen other people. Keep the data but be aware that it is likely not the closest representation to a normal gameplay. For some type of units the difference is large, others not so much. Still, the inaccuracies shouldn't be Huge, and i find it unlikely that the general idea and different performance among formations changes much in terms of effectiveness. They might have worst or better results but the difference among each other might be similar. I suggest to run some 1x speed tests and if there is more than a 5% margin of error have a disclaimer somewhere that says the data is "simulative" or some other adjective that hints at possible inaccuracies. Unfortunately i realized that gathering this kind of data on Bannerlord was a pain back in 1.8. when i realized there was a significant difference between 1x and 3x. Mainly the Veteran Falxman were killing everything and i knew from my campaign experience that to not be true. Running 140 tests took me 7 hours. running 2000 would have taken you 100 hours. If you were to do all of them at 1x you would have the video ready next month, depending on your free time. If you want to cover as much as you can and keep the schedule you currently do it would be borderline insane to prep a video like that in less than a week or even two.

[@Strat-Guides]

@@LyonExodus I'm no expert in statistical analysis, my expertise was in physics, astrophysics and running data analysis for a few companies so I don't have a formal mathematics degree in statistics, but I do know how to do the basics. I ran tests on the 1x 3x issue you're referring to and over 50 test runs for each, the results were always within the same range. Using a mirror match would result in anywhere from +30% more kill to -30% more kills (in a vacuum one would assume a draw since it's the same units, same command, same formation, etc.) and based on your analysis saying 3x has worse results seems like it would fall in the range of that "noise". How many tests did you run to make that assertion? A couple more points because this did bother me some - I don't know of any other creator who does this type of testing and uses 3x speed than my channel, so it felt like you were trying to discredit my videos? I found that odd since I stood up for you (against the forum hooligans) and have been a supporter of you for nearly a year now. It's not a big deal, I'm confident in my videos being accurate so I don't put any weight into your digs, but from a personal level I thought it was a bit low. I'm hoping this is just a big misunderstanding and I'm reading into this all wrong lol but I'm having a difficult time seeing an alternative reasoning. And finally, 7 test runs isn't a big enough sample size to call your data accurate. Nothing against your testing, I think it's still useful to have a rough idea of what specific units can do, but to mischaracterize my 2000+ collection of testing as inaccurate and then proceed to call your tiny sample size of 7 tests as accurate just seems disingenuous. I hope i'm not coming off as attacking you, I actually love your testing videos. Keep up the good work and I hope the full release helps your channel explode!

[@LyonExodus]

I want to start by saying that the only degree i have is just having a decent intuition. and having played Bannerlord too much. I dropped school when i was 16 because i was one of those people who loved learning yet i couldn't be forced to learn something i didn't care about. Occasionally i study in my free time or i listen to experts about geopolitics, state politics, warfare, economics and psychology. But i always had an analytical and pragmatic mind ready to learn anything i need to overcome or understand what's in front of me. While being critical of myself when something is clearly wrong. On the "how many tests i run" i have run a dozen or more on this version on 3x. of 7 i took the data, and in the case of Cavalry the results were consistently better by a non marginal difference. Another thing is that a while back, when i was streaming, i could see the difference in performance from the units when the speed was higher than 1x. especially in sieges. With some foot units being much better than they would have been. Don't know what the exact reason is behind it but the calculations work differently. ( i was the 1st Bannerlord streamer by time streamed and i played over 4400 hours from patch 1.5.6. hopefully this gives you a rough indications on how many times i might have encountered my claim.) For infantry on this version i can't honestly remember. i work like a sponge and i tend to forget things in a few days. I haven't yet run archers, shielded infantry or horse archers. I understand that it might feel target at you, but the idea is the one of informing those who are interested in running tests themselves. i know a few of my viewers do and since the results can be different i wanted to make sure they can replicate it in the same manner while testing units for their games. Since i assume most people play on 1x and fight at the same time so that data would be more significant. It also works as a sort of preventative defense against those who might discredit the work going forward, and it did already happen a few times, so this time i wanted to make it clear from the start. My only goal is the one of informing, nothing else, (well if i could make a part time job out of playing a game i love that would be great). If i were here to try to get people to sub i wouldn't be doing this kind of specialized content. If you check my view/sub ratio is around 0,4% which is very low. Also to avoid any misunderstanding. I know i am the small fish and you are the big one. But if i didn't like your work i wouldn't have put you in both the suggested channels and in the intro. Nor i would advice viewers to check your channel when a question they have can be answered by one of your videos. I am not here to diss anyone, your works have a much broader aim then mine, and i don't think the difference from 1x to 3x is going to be too significant for most of the data you have gathered to become not relevant. A formation that doesn't work will likely not work regardless. You are definitely reading too much into this, as what is stated above is aimed at explaining. In the end i knew this difference from way before patch 1.8. and i confirmed it on that very patch, since testing on 3x would have more than halved the time i had to test, but i couldn't say it in any of my older videos. The difference was there in comparison and it's still there. A test is, and will always be a simulation, even when i call my data accurate is definitely a stretch. From my personal knowledge playing this game i think i have found the most simulative way to get down to a unit performance and i would love to be financially able to run more than 140 tests on such a deep subject but the time i put into this video was already immense. and the testings took a full day of work time alone. if i could do this as my main job the data would be even deeper, testing the units against all kinds of enemies and all kinds of situations. Unfortunately this is the current best i can do and despite the praise of a lot of people i still think i should do more. If i can dedicate this much time to this projects it's because i was always a smart kid with my money, but even the largest of reserves will run dry eventually. I hope most of your data is accurate and if i were you i would go ahead anyway. Like i said in the first comment. running 2000 tests would have taken you way too long to have a video people need as soon as possible. On "the way you are coming off" is the same way as most creators or public figures do one way or another (even myself). a bit of sane narcissism especially on the perception of the dig. This video is not aimed at just you, but as many people as possible. As a community we should support one another and there would be realistically no benefit to diss anyones work. I am a man of data at the end, if i wanted to fact check anyone, especially on a subject i based my entire streaming persona upon like Bannerlord tactics. do you think i wouldn't be capable? Once i had some sane competition with a streaming buddy. He basically said that i wouldn't be able to break apart the game and conquer the world in less than 25 years because i was a roleplayer. I took that extremely personally and i started to figure out a path to reach that simple end, just to prove a point. We set some rules like : No Khans, No Fians, No execution, No smithing, No simulating big battles, No Reloading and many more. While he ended up abandoning the run i took over the entire map on Winter 1 1099 just 15 years. It's funny because it was around the same time you also started your speedrun that ended in 16 if i remember. So yeah, if there was a point to be made and i really wanted to i can replicate what i did that week. The fact is that there is no point to make, your videos about formations and tactics were in line with my experience. Only thing that surprised me was you not knowing that Shield Wall was great for Cavalry but especially infantry when charging. It was something i proved and wrote about on the forums for my very first troop data gathering. That one was quite bad, i still overvalued Vs T5 performance If i have to assume this upcoming update about formations and commands is going to be similar, and they were both run on 3x then i think it's safe to say the data is accurate enough. Even if it might not be as accurate as running on 1x i don't think it's reasonable to say it's wildly inaccurate. Although some tests might, and i think being aware of that possibility is worth knowing for you. So that claim, aimed to everyone interested in testing ended up informing you as well, now it's up to your pragmatic self to trust my words or assume i am being petty. I am many things in life, cynical, judgmental, emotionless, narcissistic, anti-social and from what my father always says a big ass at times. But selfish, unreasonable, and petty i am not. You should see this argument like Steve Mould and ElectroBoom fighting over who was right about Chain Fountains. some sane criticism between the two of them. In the end they both got out of it knowing more than they did before, and their viewers did too. obviously this isn't the same for obvious reasons, but if i have to use an example of this discussion that would be it. Always be confident in your data, unless YOU are the one that thinks it's wrong.

[@Strat-Guides]

@@LyonExodus Sorry bro, I did read this but I just don't have time to really write a good response lol but I didn't want to leave you hanging. I'm still behind on my video for Friday. Also, I do pop into Flessons chat a couple times per week and saw something about a Podcast - I'll be more than happy to chat as long it's not too long of a time commitment (hour or so should be fine). Best of luck with the channel after release! I think we are all going to see a significant increase in traffic as high tide lifts all boats :D

[@LyonExodus]

Thanks for responding. For the podcast i was aiming at not more than 1:30h a week. But we can discuss this at a later time when we are all less busy. I hope as well that all of the community channels will see some big increases in views after the release to consoles. I have to improve in my editing but for some reason any of my videos overshoots my subscriber numbers with ease. Kinda wish the algorithm was a little bit more helpful, there are so many Bannerlord players that would find them interesting yet my best videos only got around 100K impressions after a month. it personally feels kinda low.

[@phantom3969]

pretty good vid!

[@derpani9100]

Haven't watched the video yet, but i am excited :)

[@ilikecatsandstuff1]

Crazy how different it feels now after so long of being able to mostly ignore cavalry in battles. I think that fear of "We don't want another Swadian Knight situation" made them scared to make them good.

[@pikachudj8069]

They literally can't make anything worse than khuzait khan's guard. They already made a Swadian Knight situation with them and i would much prefer an insane cavalry line than some insane horse archers.

[@LyonExodus]

that was what i thought as well. the Swadians of Bannerlord are the KGs

[@kdrhn9601]

@@LyonExodus I found out that druzhinniks cancel out khan's during my battles.Arrows didn't do anything against big shields, and druzhinniks were good in close quarter battles

[@pierofasulli1076]

swadian knights are historically accurate too

[@stefankatsarov5806]

@@pierofasulli1076 Khan guard too, in therms of horse archers being the strongest cavalry in the world intil the gunpowder era.

[@relentlesslyquirky2904]

This is really great data! Thanks you for taking the time to assemble it! One question i have though is how to interpret some of the data. What does it mean to have a good k/d versus a good kia? Isnt kia all that matters since its how many troops are lost after the battle is over? Or does k/d indicate something kia doesnt?

[@LyonExodus]

KIA is generally the main stat to look for, less casaulties can mitigate a low KD at times. The KD is a general indication for comparing the units performance from one another. But a low KIA combined with a low KD might also mean the units killed their enemies faster and triggered the victory notification sooner (like the Khan's in comparison to Cataphracts). In the end i think most people find KD to be a more easy to understand stat in comparison to KIA.

[@tequilasunsetus8847]

Oh my God! 25 minutes of content on Bannerlord so also with my favorite charts?! Dude, you're a miracle! You said at the end of the video about the pikemen. Have they really become... better?

[@LyonExodus]

they did improve, a lot actually. i never really run any deep tests on them on previous patches because they just weren't good. But they are much improved now. It doesn't necessarily mean they are good, but 100% better than before

[@kalziumbones1557]

Underrated channel

[@LyonExodus]

very much so. Not even want to lowball myself.

[@adamoneil5317]

Damn, I am starting a Battanian Calvary playthrough in a few days. May say my character is half Battanian, half Sturgian so I can get some Druzhina Champions in my party as well to help out a bit.

[@crazyelf1]

Interesting test. Does this mean that the Wadar Hotblood is the best new horse in the game now? Or would a horse with less speed, but more charge damage work better? Like the Royal Destrier?

[@LyonExodus]

depends for what use: For personal i prefer maneuver, tankiness and average or below average speed (not less than 45). For AI i think an horse with a good charge DMG and a lesser speed like the Destrier is probably the best. The Banner Knights performed very well against infantry. For over 200 skill companions probably a slow horse with a ton of charge DMG. I'd love to run some tests using character reload in the future to pint point the best performing horses

[@joaomarcelo7708]

As it should Cav is supposed the be the tank of the middle ages, not some equal (as if balanced) to the infantry

[@LyonExodus]

Space dedicated to Advice/Suggestions/Critiscism and more about the video

[@mefestofell6652]

Last part of video was great! It will be rly intersecting to see how exactly ai now fights. Does it still miss spear charges, does it still stands in middle of enemy troops then fight and smth like that

[@LyonExodus]

They thrusts seemed to be faster and more effective overall in comparison to 1.8. The Horse Charges knocked people down and killed more frequently as well. Couching wise, i can't say for sure, since Shield Wall was the best performer for this tests the troops didn't couch. Although, i did notice the Banner Knights having, quite literally, a couple of less casualties against lower tiers when Loose was used instead. So it might have something to do with that? Can't tell for sure unfortunately.

[@odaizoh]

big improvement in production quality and it is much easier to follow the comparison of the units. well done.

[@tmantonytv1166]

I like the clips used in the intro

[@LyonExodus]

great to know you appreciate the memes. those are the highest quality thing you will find in most of my videos.

[@AzoiatheCobra]

Question 1: any reason for not testing against CAV? Some times One has the cav engage the enemy CAV. Question 2: i understand why testing against lower tier troops. God i can ser the different results when comparing with Higher tiers. My question is why do the resulta differ, and in some cases the lower tier engagement got "worse" while the higher tiers got "better"... Why the "good" performance of the lower tiers? Any plans to do a army compo for each faction?

[@LyonExodus]

First thanks for your many questions, i'll do my best to answer them in as few words as i can. 1) Cav V Cav is very similar to dismounted performance, which is not in the video and was planned for another one that wasn't made. Other than that, time, time, time, time. running all the tests + editing took way over 100 hours... 2) Dealing with higher tiers relies more on DPS and weapon type of the unit (generally speaking a mace will be better against high end armor than a sword. for cavalry it's a bit more complicated,). while lower tiers relies much more on the armor of the unit and weapon DMG. This can make some units better at dealing with lower tiers and others not so much. 3) I do plan on making some tactics guide for each faction, quite simple and not too edited since lately i have very little time for myself. But more likely, i will be back to streaming on a daily basis because i haven't played bannerlord a lot in the last few months.

[@shadowdragon1396]

Thank you for explaining your testing process. I had been wondering how you were getting your data. It’s good to know. Is that method the same you’ve been doing for all your tests? Can’t wait for the other unit videos. Keep it up!

[@LyonExodus]

Yes, it's the same as patch 1.8. For some troops i will change it or i will even add more tests going forward, so comparing is going to be a bit tougher, but if i do, i will make sure to let you know in the intro.

[@vaspia19]

I LIKE

[@gogogusto]

@LyonExodus question for you: back when you looked at archers, you remarked that even the worst ones were worth having simply because they are archers. With the Battainian Horseman being so weak, is it worth having anyway simply for being a Cav unit, or is it so weak it is not worth having at all? I ask this because if even the weakest units are useful enough to give you a reason to have them in your army, or at least in a single-culture army. If the former, then it seems fine for them to be the weakest horsemen - Battainians aren't known for that anyway. If the latter... then there is a problem, no? Edit: Rearranged the wording to make more sense.

[@LyonExodus]

No, i would still consider the Horseman an " avoid if possible " unit. The mounted skirmishers seems to be doing their job better at dealing with infantry and archers. They bring some javs that you can use in combo with the Wildlings and are likely better in sieges.

[@gogogusto]

@@LyonExodus that's what I figured. Let's hope they get around to fixing that when they are done buffing the Khuzaits 🤣.

[@LyonExodus]

NO KHUZAIT SHALL NEVER BE WEAK!!!

[@game_critic]

Great video. The data validates what I've been noticing, that cavalry are now something to be reckoned with, as they should be since I'm paying a premium both in hiring and maintenance costs. I bet you feel like your Sturgian horse raiders now though after pouring through data. "Glad it's over"? Also, I refuse to promote pikemen. I have long lasting PTSD by trying them out when I first started playing Bannerlords. They SUCK! When I see one show up in my garrison, I feel like it's the Christmas fruitcake that nobody wants. I pack him up in my army and go donate him to the nearest pikemen homeless shelter, usually Sargot since I know they're going to revolt anyways. Probably because too many pikemen live there....

[@LyonExodus]

the last bit about the units is a bit of a funny comedic relief ending, i don't really have a favorite cavalry unit, but the Horse Raider are indeed glad 1.8.1. is over. The Pikemen insults are gold.

[@game_critic]

@@LyonExodus Feel free to use the insults in your next vid. I'd get a kick out of it. haha

[@tomtanaorden]

Whilst on 1.9 i saw banner knights with banners

[@LyonExodus]

You sure it wasn't a Knight? Cause T4 should have priority for banner duties. Although it's meant as a joke since i had nothing else to write there.

[@fraser311]

Wait, so am I wasting money by buying the most expensive war mounts? Does this impact what horses the mounted unit gets when upgrading?

[@LyonExodus]

Any horse can be used to upgrade a foot troop to a mount troop and likewise any warhorse can be used to upgrade an already mounted troop to an higher tier one (only when required) So yeah, buy the cheapest horses you can find of the category (mount/ warhorse). you don't need to find a specific one. The game will always use the one in the encyclopedia regardless of what horse was actually used. Lame Horses as far as i remember are also good for upgrades. Only ones you can't use are the packing ones: Sumpter Mules, and the packing Camel.

[@lonemexio]

Pike troops need to pole behind the infantry shields thats effective especially in pvp

[@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS]

Only thing I like about sword sisters is no mounts needed to upgrade a horse archer.

[@jimmyselsmark7346]

All this info pumped into my brain... so many hours of testing... and I get all the data in just 24 minutes... what is not to like?

[@LyonExodus]

you can ask the 0.9% of users that disliked.

[@jimmyselsmark7346]

@@LyonExodus I'd say they are trollin, how can you not appreciate it when someone puts in the time and effort to make a video about a subject that clearly interests them, you made the topic of the video pretty clear. Or maybe I'm just a lazy "numbers nerd" ;)

[@LyonExodus]

i am honestly surprised it's less than 1%. but i guess the thing is: No matter what you do, or the amount of effort or quality. Someone is still going to hate your work regardless. i don't mind it really. I evaluate much more people who provide feedback rather than those who click a button with a thumbs down

[@JhonDoe-ny1rn]

Dude we need updated guides since 1.2 combat AI was dramaticaly changed, saw quite armor/equipment changes for some troops, plz make an updated guides for best troops.

[@LyonExodus]

I am sorry to inform you that's unlikely to happen. I am sure there are others out there that will pick up testing or have already done.

[@ThePinheadRapidz]

​@@LyonExodus What you up to now bro? Appreciate all the work you've put in over the years 🤜🤛

[@LyonExodus]

@@ThePinheadRapidz Thanks for checking in. I am still studying while working a part time job in an office. I am doing alright, can't really complain at the moment.

[@TAEHSAEN]

Great video man. Can you do a scientific video (like this one) and then follow it up with a more casual "Tier List" video that describes the pros and cons of each unit and puts in a tier list? You will then have something for both the casual viewers and the nerds who want to check out all the statistical details in the first video.

[@LyonExodus]

i will see if anything can be done after the data on 1.9. performance is done. I used to make some tier lists a few months ago, but i was never satisfied with the "speak into a microphone hoping to make sense" format. In my mind if i will ever make another tier list it has to be a fusion between my old analysis and the tier list itself. It might end up lasting over 1h

[@TAEHSAEN]

@@LyonExodus Fair enough buddy. The thing is most of KZbin's.viewers are casual players with short attention spans. Given that it is to your benefit to make one entertaining short video with a quick summary of the tier list, and one long scientific video to capture the nerds. This is a niche market so it's best to try to capture both scientific and casual player base.

[@LyonExodus]

you do make a good point. But i suffer from acute brainfarting so even for making a simple tier list i have to write down a 2000 words script. I'll ask the community in a poll about it in the next days.

[@TAEHSAEN]

@@LyonExodus Awesome man. I think you deserve a lot more success here but you might have to lower your standards to maximize your success in world full of short attention span monkeys haha

[@requiemaeternam3406]

The sisters are good when you haven't horses ti upgrade your Cav, they Simply spawn a charger out of thin air...imho Battanian horsmen works well mixed 1:4 with mounted skirmishers, the enemy Will expose their backs and flanks to javs and get totally wrecked, if you dismount them when the enemy reorganize you can even refill javs from infantry.

[@BaskinTimi]

Is druzhnik champion still the best inf btw?

[@LyonExodus]

Haven't tested yet

[@DestroyerOfOgis]

Druzhinnik Champions still not on the podium, not on any video 😥

[@LyonExodus]

Hey, look at the positives. They are overall better than the Banner Knights as cavalry

[@DestroyerOfOgis]

@@LyonExodus Actually you know what, that's fine. If we're going down, we're taking the Vlandians down with us.

[@LyonExodus]

that's the spirit

[@CeriusXD]

Where are the streams? QQ

[@LyonExodus]

They will come back, eventually. When i can get someone to help me out with the videos i can do some streaming in the meantime. But right now i can't fit them in, sorry.

[@blazezz1101]

The biggest travesty is that patch 1.9 has two pikeman units with the addition of the Hired Elite Pike. Maybe the Vlandian Pikemen can now claim themselves to not be the worst unit in the game (but the 2nd worst unit).

[@LyonExodus]

baby steps

[@terrificlife1576]

From your exp in 1.9 is better Fians or Khan Guards ?

[@LyonExodus]

no match. KG are still the top dogs

[@terrificlife1576]

@@LyonExodus Is it better melee or range ? How do you use it ? range for infantry and melee for archers ?

[@LyonExodus]

@@terrificlife1576 Archers in this game are very good. High tier Archers are a bit overtuned. Generally speaking i try to split my armies between infantry and Archers. But with cavalry being this good in 1.9. that 50/50 might be something like 30 Infantry 30 Cavalry 40 Archers/Horse archers

[@terrificlife1576]

@@LyonExodus I was asking how you use the HG , you use them range or you send them in melee ?

[@LyonExodus]

you let them shoot i guess. if needed they can join the melee. but you definitely want them to shoot

[@kasim12341kasim]

Cav actually works now, so now it’s op LMFAO.

[@thx1138thecrane]

Only when not bugged.

[@Kanabei]

Please don't get discouraged by the forum's "Khans are OP and archers are superior, so your analysis is meaningless". You are doing great job and keep them videos comming.

[@LyonExodus]

Oh, i know the quality of my work ethic very well. Those people are just "training" in how to address some arguments the right way for future use. And serves to keep my biases in check. It might get me mad and heated, but it's all something i need to improve my thought process during those situations and find good counter arguments based on facts.

[@AEspiral]

RBM lovers? It's me!!!! ❤️ The patch did cavalry better. Now just the infantry is useless. But archers are stilll the better troop type.

[@abseits_ger7274]

According to strat gamings statistic video, cavalry are inefficient in just about everything never actually winning against any shielded infantry nor shock troop and even fall against archers in equal tier and equal number. What do you say about that considereing your extremly diffrent statistic?

[@LyonExodus]

Let me start by telling you that me and Start are on good terms. Now let's explain why the two videos claim different things, it's not going to take much: it all comes down to methodology. We simply looked for different things and got different results. It's that simple. I hope this explains it. If you don't want to believe me than the smartest thing to do would be watching a few of the 1.8. videos and see if you agree with the points and the data of that patch. if you do then you will likely know you can trust this ones as well. if you don't, then i am afraid there isn't much else i can do for you.

[@kya6816]

Maybe low tier units spear makes them perfrom better. Looks Onehand spear Ai improved a lot. Now they even can stop calvarys passing by side to attack other line. But still pikemen is shit

[@phamthienphuc3951]

wait Calvary was bad before ?

[@lupus_croatiae]

Square formation won't be as useful as before. Not sure about pikes. This is a big change.

[@FacemanGaming108]

Calvary become stronger, Rip battanian & stugian.

[@LyonExodus]

Battania is definitely not feeling good right now. Will see about the Sturgians

[@Carl007Jr]

The Aserai are the weakest faction in the game. Even if the Aserai were improved, relatively it changed nothing. Vlandian, Empire, Sturgian, Battanian, and Khuzait units were improved as well. The Aserai are totally useless.