Ultimate Metrology center (part one - Design )

[@RRINTHESHOP]

Thank you Dale for the shout out. I still like the stand, love the Art Deco look.

[@ThisOldTony]

nice! I've been wondering where you'd gotten off to. looking forward to the rest.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

HI Tony, Jen and I sailed to Cube in December. I have been playing catch up, and smoking cigars since we got back.

[@roycechambers7098]

Congrats on the sponsor Dale. Great design on the table and the designs in the panels are a really nice touch.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks Royce

[@G5Ckxew]

This is one of the few youtube channels I would be willing to pay money to watch. This project is so well thought out. I'm looking forward to watching the rest.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks for the compliment :-)

[@dixonqwerty]

Can't wait for the next part. Interesting topic and build.

[@ChrisB257]

Congrats on the sponsorship - must check them out. Wonderful project.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

I think you will like them

[@gordonagent7037]

Hey Dale, great to see you have a sponsor and can turn out interesting builds, well done

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks Gordon, Metal Supermarkets has already asked to help me with my next project. And it's a cool one, but I cant talk about the details just yet.:-)

[@SpencerWebb]

Your videography rocks, Dale!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks Spencer.

[@johnmcdonnell6109]

Really cool Dale! Can't wait to see part 2!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks John

[@aspenbanjo]

Dale, that is going to be really nice. Thanks for sharing!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks

[@bradymcphail9690]

so so interesting! I want to learn machine work very badly. after 40 plus years welding/fabricating I've never touched a lathe or mill. it's about time to learn. your channel will help tremendously!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Hi Brad, You are in for a great adventure. Working on those machine make me smile everyday.

[@bradymcphail9690]

Metal Tips and Tricks- my new journey will be so much easier if I do learn some machining methods. designing and building Industrial furniture and Custom Outdoor Kitchens and Living Spaces. I will also venture deep into blacksmithing and Bladesmithing. my life's highest bucket list item is to master all metalworking and woodworking.

[@HybridiHippo]

Nice build up!! Looking forward to see more!!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

There's a lot of interesting things I had to do to make this project . I hope you will like the rest of the videos.

[@HybridiHippo]

Metal Tips and Tricks i'll do like!!

[@TheMarcball]

Congrats on the sponsorship, very happy for you and for your channel's growth. Interesting project, will be watching... Keep on trucking (from France) !

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Im very excited about Metal Supermarkets support. Get ready for some more big projects

[@railgap]

I look forward to the rest of the metrology industry catching on to your insight. ;)

[@terrycullen6290]

Welcome back Dale... you were missed & hope you had a wonderful trip !! Congratulations on the new sponsor !! I hit there website and we have a store here in San Antonio I didn't know about. Rest assured I will be there often now !! Best Wishes

[@DoRiteFabrication]

Nice work Dale! Stepping the game up! I like, Really good engineering/fabrication.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks my good friend

[@RGSABloke]

Hi Dale, really cool project, I have been following Randy with his radius tool build. Keep up the good work young chap. Kindest regards. Joe.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks Joe, I think Randy's channel is great

[@ROBRENZ]

Nice build Dale, constructive comments ahead! The wiffletree is great and makes that side deflect less in the short direction but it does not make the plate any stiffer torsionally. Assuming you place the old single support side of the plate on the wiffletree side it will go slightly concave from the change of support locations. So you may want to have your plate resurfaced while on the new stand after changing from the original 3 point support that it was lapped on last. ATB, Robin

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks for your constructive comments they are always welcomed. My plans are to have it relapped next year. I want to let it settle in for awhile.

[@grahammcmurray8680]

ROBRENZ n. K

[@FredMiller]

Congrats on the new sponsor! Beautiful project.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks Fred.

[@geoffreyabegg9791]

Looking good so far, can't wait to see more!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks. It really great to have it.

[@alanbenson2936]

Hi Dale, love the topic. Many years ago I worked on some very large surface plates (8ft x12ft) that were supported very much like your design, except that the ball feet sat on different surfaces. One sat on a flat, one in a cone and the third in a V groove that was aligned with the cone. This allowed for expansion of the stand or the plate and also positive location of the plate. I seem to remember that it was called a Kinematic Support, although it was over 50 years ago.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Hi Allen. I found the information in your comment very interesting. thanks

[@terrylarotonda784]

Looking good. Great thought process.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks Terry

[@Regalmetalworks]

Pretty awesome idea! Also nixing those casters was a very smart move. Pallet jack is the best solution. One issue I had on my welding table, was the leveling feet snap like twigs when moving with a pallet jack if you hit anything. My top weighs in around 1700lbs. But that is easier to fix then a failed caster! The table looks great btw!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Cole thanks for your comment. I did over build the leveling screws. You will get to see that in one of the next videos.

[@wyattoneable]

Very interesting build so far. Amazing in fact. I'm a beginner at lathes and fabrication so I think I'm in the right place to learn.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks I think you will like the rest of the series

[@19cmurry85]

Whiffletree! You are the freakin man! This is so awesome. I've only recently started learning about metrology tables and I instantly had a problem with the 3 point support system.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Hi Chase, Thanks for your great commants. :-)

[@mchiodox69]

Cool project! Thanks for sharing.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

:-)

[@sickboymech92]

That layout table if F'in beautiful. great job!!!!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Hi Ronster, thanks for your comment. It been a dream of mine to make this table for the past 2 years.

[@sickboymech92]

Well, your lucky I usually have to wait decades to achieve my dreams.

[@outsidescrewball]

Enjoyed!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks Chuck :-)

[@fytanman]

Great project!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks, It great to have. :-)

[@PeterWMeek]

Nice design/build,. As several others have said, "Nothing built too strong ever broke." A note on castering heavy objects: the casters need to be chosen so that any two can support the entire weight plus any likely impact forces. The reason being that unless the floor is PERFECTLY flat, there will be times when the weight IS supported on only two casters. Add forces from hitting a crack or small object on the floor and the requirements increase greatly. Four Bessel points, with two self-aligning, might be technically better, but all (as far as I know) surface plates have the final finishing and flattening done while supported on three clearly marked points. Changing that to four points disturbs the factory flattening. You may intend to get your particular plate reflattened while supported on the better system, but until then it is likely to be less than factory accurate.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Peter Thanks for your input on the casters. I most cases I use 6 casters. it helps moving they object over the expansion joints on concrete floors. But my shop in Atlanta has no expansion joints.LOL

[@skirkdouglas]

Great looking stand. Hope you cover the how you fabricated the drawers!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

I have dedicated a whole video to it. :-)

[@felixcosty]

Thanks for the video. I have one observation on your stand, the pivot point all the weight is on the two edges of the tubing. Was wondering if it would be better to over drill the hole and weld in a tube so the pressure is more spread out. Other then that nice build.

[@royreynolds108]

Very good thought. Spread the load out for more surface area. Reduce the chance of crushing the tubing wall. I would suggest using a rubber matting instead of cork to reduce the chance of disproportional crushing under load. The matting is more uniform than cork.

[@MrGunPilot]

I don't know anything about the points Dale is presenting, but I was curious about the strength and influence the granite weight will have on that thin wall tubing and pivot bolt also. I hope that doesn't make me appear to be a troll. Great video. It's good to see the channel pick up a serious sponsor too.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

I could have done that. We will see how it works over time. if it fails I will do a video on it. :-)

[@deemstyle]

Cool project!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks

[@wehtjns]

Amazing, can't wait for the next videos

[@BuildSomthingCool]

It will be coming out soon.

[@brucec954]

A work of art! So it looks like you end up with a 3 point support after all with two fixed, and the third with the pivoting beam. Hmmm, this looks the same method shown in a book on steam locomotive suspensions from 1860 that I am looking at.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Hi Bruce, That is interesting. this kind of stuff is used everywhere. :-)

[@Ron_EZ]

Dale, great setup for the trolls, you don't want to make them work too hard, LOL great video!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks Ron, We have to make it easy for those lazy #@$* LOL

[@pierresgarage2687]

Hi Dale, Where have you been...??? Great project, nice to have a metal supplier to sponsor the channel and projects, it reduces the kinda non-objective usage of a tool or something to sell, after all, metal is metal... Good freedom type kinda sponsor... ;) Keep on... Cheers, Pierre

[@BuildSomthingCool]

HI Pierre, Jennifer and I sailed to Cuba, and I have been trying to catch up since we got back. I'm very excited about my new sponsor too, they are already asking about my next project.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Cuba is a nice place to visit... Next project, great...!!!

[@MrSailbadthesinner]

Great met centre but I think it is missing just one thing. A cover to protect that expensive plate and keep it clean. I love the panels, so nice to see someone take the time to make something look good as well.

[@sahkram]

nice job and presentation. keep it up.

[@exactengineeringllc5254]

I like this design, its very creative and kinematically correct in supporting the surface plate, however, the 4 legs would benefit being on whiffletree as well to reduce racking of the frame. another nice option would be to make two of your pin supports adjustable so you can level the plate. I would be interested in understanding the deflections of this design prior to building it. If you want to share it i can model it in FEA and optimize the structure. I would be happy to share results. at any rate nice work and refreshing to hear references to Airy points and Bessel points. Airy points are so simple and elegant. For minimum deflection the support spacing (centered about the midpoint of the beam) is 5/9 x Length. Works for everything and always. Exact constraint design!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

HI< I lke your proposal please send me an email so we can talk about it. Dale@ metaltipsandtrick.com

[@mossad77]

Of all the multi part series builds I have watched on KZbin this is by far my favorite. I have been putting together material to build a 16 drawer rolling tool chest with assembly top and was wondering what the ratings on your drawer slides were? I'm sure you mentioned it in this series but have gone back and couldn't find it. Any other reccomendations outside of using plywood to mount the slides?

[@anthonydibiase3373]

Hi love your video do you have plans for your 1/2 dome cutter post tool holder

[@BuildSomthingCool]

No, Im still woking on the prototype. mayby some day.

[@machineshopatthebottomofth3213]

really looking forward to seeing the rest of the build. Just a quick bit of a comment on surface plate supporting. You need to meet two criteria, not over constraining the plate (you have met this requirement) and holding the plate in the same way as when it was lapped. Your arrangement supports this better than when it was lapped and so you may see a slight concavity at the rocking support end.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Hi, I plan to have it certified in about a year after the plate has settled down. It will be Interesting to see how much it has changed.

[@perspectivex]

Assuming you weren't going to move such a table (I know that's not the case in this video), could you build a container where you currently have the whiffletree/whippletree and fill it with concrete or epoxy etc. and get a very flat surface that would support the granite plate evenly enough? Second question...would such a whiffletree set up make sense for supporting the frame of a small d.i.y. cnc machine, to keep the frame from twisting?

[@IronHeadMachine]

Outstanding Sir!

[@xtomzta]

IronHead Machine indeed! superb!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks Tommy

[@eduardopinto8605]

eta mão de obra de primeira qualidade .. parabéns ,

[@BuildSomthingCool]

obrigado

[@kazwo]

thats the best treehouse ever!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

LOL

[@bradymcphail9690]

sir, I want to ask 1 more ?, can you or do you have a video to go from the very beginning. how to set up a cutting tool into the lathe and or milling machines? I mean the most beginning beginner video for both Lathe and milling machine.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Hi Brady. I think you have a great Idea for a video> I wish I had time to make it right now. sorry.

[@ronmurray3092]

This Video from Joe P. might help a bit. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z37Vm6F_mNiWrqs

[@ronmurray3092]

or this one is more basic.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYDRgXithZ6VeaM

[@Raul28153]

to get a better finish make a LONGER handle. That will give you more control in the rough spots and a smoother slower progression through the cut. After that you might consider tightening up the rotating shank. I used a large tapered roller bearing from a nissan minivan transmission it is dead smooth.

[@mrfrog3350]

Should be great having a good supply of metal for your projects.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Thanks, They have been great to work with.

[@LordOfTamarac]

"Nothing built too skookum ever broke" -AVE -Tom Lipton -Michael Scott

[@19672701]

Sure be nice if you make some new content,you have one of the best channels.

[@nowayjerk8064]

cant wait to see where the horses come in to play

[@JyrkiKoivisto]

You might have gotten better surface finish with the radius cutter if you'd set it up on the center line.

[@tailormachineworks281]

This looks pretty slick Dale. It looked like the insert was a bit off from the center line of the stock, more than what I think we would normally have. Just curious if there was a reason for that? Congrats on your new sponsor.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

You were not supposed to see that LOL. Sometimes I just make mistakes. This time I just want looking closer enough. :-)

[@newton9837]

The radius tool is essentially a boring bar with a crank handle right? You might be able to adapt ThisOldTony's boring bar design. His design has a screw adjust and a graduated dial. Maybe the next prototype. Great vid!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Yes you a right, they are very similar.

[@justtestingonce]

What metrology?

[@ParenteGrande]

To make a concave using your tool flip the cutting tool 180 degrees and try it!

[@McFingal]

Nice work from your primary troll!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

LOL

[@howder1951]

You can always live with "over built" . Underdone never satisfies; asTL says "Nothing too strong ever broke!" Well done.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Great advice :-)

[@jongmassey]

funny lookin weather station...

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Did I spell Metrology wrong somewhere in my video? I have known for epic spelling mistakes . Meteorology

[@jongmassey]

Hah, no not at all Dale, just winding you up ;)

[@edrick57]

In the optics world, we have a similar problem in supporting the primary mirror of reflecting telescopes. You seem to be converging on a similar solution to this problem,with perhaps a bit simpler rig. See www.loptics.com/articles/mirrorsupport/mirrorsupport.html for an example. Note the multi-level whiffletree arrangement of the support pads. This example also has an electric fan to help speed up thermal stabilization.

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Hi Ed , Thanks for putting a link in your comment I found it a very interesting article

[@jamespilcher4557]

As a friend of mine is want to say, "I didn't set out to build the weak link."

[@BuildSomthingCool]

I really like that statement

Hey why don't you shoot in 4K? Everybody nowadays shoots in 4K. I wanna see the mishaps you make more clearly!

[@BuildSomthingCool]

Because I would have to buy all new cameras, But if you want to buy them for me, I will start to shoot my videos in 4k

[@antmallett6065]

That surface plate looks to be more than 3 inches wide...

[@BuildSomthingCool]

LOL, Yes I have been informed of my mistake :-)

[@antmallett6065]

heh, heh, seriously though, a very interesting video. Looking forward to the rest of the series.

[@gh778jk]

loose the wheels.... surface plates should be on fixed structures... not on wheels Also..nice idea about preventing metal beams sagging.... just take structural steel that is thick enough.... that would omit all this 'over-engineering ! Paddy

[@XcelentTom.]

Calling it a metrology station and not using the metric system is really aggitating me. Why does the imperial system stil exist...

[@marcbotnope1728]

Step 1 : Be filthy rich so you can afford an massive granite surface plate..

[@BuildSomthingCool]

LOL

[@roleic7246]

These Bessel points are overrated. If you lap your surface plate on the actual supports and don't take it off or move it and your lab has stable temperature then it is not that important how you exactly support it. An iso-mount (=whiffle tree) helps to make the rigidity of your support structure unimportant. But if you have large temperature changes you loose your accuracy anyway. A serious measurement laboratory has to have stabilized temperature. So you need an iso-mount and temperature control and lap your plate under those conditions. Then accurate Bessel points are not that important.

[@jamesconnors5653]

I'm out. This is problematic.