NEW RENDERINGS: Cleveland released pictures and blueprints of the downtown dome stadium proposal

[@dadamndon]

Consider this: if there were no economic impact, why would the mayor of Brookpark be so motivated to bring the stadium to his city? The jobs generated from construction, along with revenue from hotels, local spending, and increased income taxes, would directly benefit the city where the stadium is located. Unlike other Midwest cities like Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, and Kansas City, Cleveland doesn’t have a communal fund that shares suburban wealth with the metro area. This lack of shared resources is part of why Cleveland struggles economically, ranking as the second poorest major city in the U.S. Moving the stadium out of Cleveland’s metro area might serve the interests of a billionaire, but it would risk leaving behind the heart of the community that needs economic revitalization the most. Which is the most important area for a city.

[@OldBuzzardProduction]

becasue 365 days a year events could be happening which brings in big money and employees working , which is why I don't understand why Cleveland wont build a dome stadium in Cleveland, more people working, more events, more money but here is what will happen it will be put on the tax payers to pay for it - the Model law could help Cleveland by putting pressure on Haslem to put more money in the pot instead of Cleveland (WE ALL KNOW THAT WONT HAPPEN)

[@ryand5725]

Love how before the browns threatened to leave the city just said it wouldn’t have a big enough economic impact and would take too much from the city and now that they’re leaving it’s totally flipped…

[@rpippen3455]

This definitely will have an economic impact on Cleveland. The city has venues , Rocket Mortgage Field House, etc ., where acts have and can continue to entertain indoors. Just had the Rock and Roll Induction, plenty of hotels, etc. Already other established venues in the surrounding areas. Nobody wants to lose revenue from a big business in their city, unless it becomes a Negative, haven't seen evidence of that yet???

[@jpjohns2466]

Moving to Brook Park serves the best interests of the fan....

[@rpippen3455]

Many people looking at this like a Christmas gift from the Haslams ? but, Mom has to come in and tell us to calm down, we can't afford that gift! I appreciate you (Haslam's) wanting to give me your Bratenahl Mansion, , but we can't afford the taxes and maintenance. LOL

[@keithb445]

Yes, this is perfect please go with this option if possible...

[@larryambrose2660]

Where is the parking lot for the games? Half of those buildings will be empty. They need more entertainment in the area for those hotels to flourish.

[@SillyMan-w7z]

@@larryambrose2660exactly even with this new rendering the parking situation isn’t even better if not worse

[@deangee3131]

The tax money that has been funding the Cleveland Browns is a county tax, and all of Cuyahoga County has been paying the tax for years now and much more. Of that money comes from the suburbs and not the inner city, so stop it.😮😮😮

[@rpippen3455]

The City of Cleveland has been gifting Tax breaks to the Browns, like other big companies in Cleveland, not unlike many cities.. Not particularly the Suburbs. You may visit any business in another city/suburbs and give business, doesn't mean your majorly contributing with land and tax deals for that business and City

[@mrbear716]

I wish the Bills would've built the stadium in downtown Buffalo instead of Orchard Park.

[@ShoresyChirps]

Tyvis and G-bush are absolutely right. This all could have happened years ago, but the city didn't make this proposal until it was projected that they would lose 30 million dollars in tax revenue. Although I would much rather prefer a dome in downtown, I think Brook park is more realistic since Haslam would own the land in Brook park. I just don't see this happening.

[@rpippen3455]

Sorry, nobody (Cleveland) sleeps on the possibility of LOSING $30 mill or whatever the 'real" money would be. The Owner Haslam ,knows he has Public Opinion on his side, because everybody wants the shiny "new" Toy/ Dome Stadium and probably continued to asks the City for too much, whereas the city has more pressing NEEDS, than a $2 billion playpen. But, as a "Billionaire" he has many Fans willing to HELP him pay for the stadium??? So, forget about pressing needs, so some can go to a Maximum 8-10 games and a concert a year?? Even with all that, the City still trying to compromise and give him Burke Lakefront, he can use his own stadium designs, that's just a rendering on the possibilities of the land..but, if he's still refusing, it's just GREED!

[@MichaelSimmons-ee4ib]

Traffic situation could be easily solved. ODOT is already working on plans to reconfigure Dead Man’s curve. The architects who did the master plan really dropped the ball not incorporating that.

[@SillyMan-w7z]

It’s still would be so cramped down there downtown. brookpark makes the most sense with way more spacing it’s not even that far from downtown

[@bjmartin1215]

Bull is an awesome dude when he's not influenced by Jay or Jason.

[@OldBuzzardProduction]

they rebuilt downtown thinking the browns - Cavs - Indians are not going anywhere you have Sherwin Williams and other companies downtown but if the browns move out that would suck for Cleveland because the only way your getting people downtown is if other big companies coming in and there are none on the horizon

[@edalexander6155]

Yes G your right. When they was coming back. They should have done right. So this should have of been thought of a year ago and brought to the table. I'd say the city is late. Again just like when Modell wanted back in 1990. Bull they drag there feet just like they've done in the past.

[@rpippen3455]

G Bush, I don't agree. Adam is primarily right. We're ALL speculating as to what is happening or when it was happening, behind the scenes, very unlikely the City just woke up to negotiation with a Major City organization (Browns,etc.). If you can't afford $10 beers and $60 parking now...just wait. You'll be watching that dome mostly from the TV, like the average fan, who has more pressing NEEDS!

[@deangee3131]

Why are cities and states begging for sports franchises and paying a lot of money to get them into their city? It's because they generate a ton of money for these cities and states that have these franchises. Remember everything that happens at that stadium is taxed. Gate fees or tax people staying in hotels. People spending money at bars emission fees, parking fees. Every Jersey sold has a tax on it. So stop saying the owner is the only one who profits If that was the case, the cities wouldn't be fighting over the sport franchises.

[@DeeGee-i8k]

Yes, Cleveland has given some tax breaks to the Browns, but they also collect all the money for parking fees. Special event fees, hotel taxes taxes on the workers at the restaurant. And employees at the stadium, so they get more than their money back.That's why they don't want to see the browns leave But the sin tax is for all of Cuyahoga County.

[@SteveDMV]

Looks cooler than the Brook Park underground dome stadium. Make this one happen.

[@douglasmeek9774]

The city of Cleveland still owes money for the old stadium! Wtf

[@rpippen3455]

Most people hollering for this dome stadium will go to see it once and then watch most games from home, like they do now! Waiting for that one event (concert,etc) to save up to go back to the dome. Shiny NEW Toy!

[@keithrowe1663]

If you’re going to build a dome I think they’re missing out on a golden opportunity; build it similar to Lucas Oil Stadium but extend the roof down, make the outside decor appear large wooden 2x4’s with a large arch opening in front; call it the Dog House. Make it an attraction itself

[@bjmartin1215]

There is probably a big difference in what the city of Chicago can do financially compared to what Cleveland can do. Bull is correct, this mayor hasn't been here all of those years.

[@brandethewine]

The more research I do (I’m a development geek) it’s actually sad that the Browns are finally developing something outside of downtown Cleveland. There is so much land.

[@brandethewine]

In actuality downtown cleveland is far from having development breakthrough. It’ll take a couple major corporations coming to downtown before the city to finally pull the trigger.

[@MichaelSimmons-ee4ib]

@@brandethewineif we can pull off this, they will

[@ryand5725]

@@brandethewineI think I saw sherwin Williams corporate headquarters is on the way.

[@brandethewine]

And they’ll keep punting but now we have a mayor who is letting people build and forcing them to build. They are putting pressure on developers to not buy land and keep it on their books to increase equity in their portfolios. Most of these developers have no intentions of redevelopment.

[@shaggy3255]

Bull said he doesn't know if a stadium would help the city....lol wtf?....better question is can they afford to lose it?

[@chuckbechara7472]

This is why Cleveland will always be last. the patrons that go to the game and will go in the future for the most part, dont live in the city limits of cleveland. tax breaks aere given to people who pay taxes. the poor don't pay taxes bull. it would be great to have the stadium downtown, but thats not going to happen. get over it , it is a wasted show to continue to beat a dead horse. look at the population numbers, income levels and tell me you would invest 3 billion + to build the stadium downtown or in Brook P{ark....this is a no brainer decision.

[@rpippen3455]

PLENTY of Rich who don't pay sufficient Taxes, they receive "Tax Breaks" on many projects, etc.. The main question is why is anyone, middle-class or Poor willing to Assist a "Billionaire"to Pay up to half, for a $2 billion dollar Dome Stadium?? Lets pay Disneyland to build a Domed Amusement park here next, where the entire city residents will not only pay half the cost, but then pay to visit the "Domed" amusement park with the family and the Park's High Prices, year round???! Most are going to visit that proposed Stadium as much as Disneyland, not much...Forget the bills, etc., let's go broke for fun., helping the "Billionaire" pay for HIS "unnecessary" Bills (Stadium), that seems to be more important to many??? Lol

[@larryambrose2660]

With all those buildings right around the stadium where are people supposed to park for games?

[@Reglar_Cat]

This doesn't show the whole thing. See the NEO Trans story from yesterday

[@UncleGabe216]

Well now Progressive Field and Rocket Mortgage Field needs $40 million in taxes for renovations

[@stilldaclowns24]

A winning football team would be nice.

[@frontierlandfrank5314]

You could take the worst sections of Cleveland and the best. Switch the occupancy of who lives there. The bad sections would be better within 3 years and the nice places would be bad.

[@Lsmoe]

Bull My man I'm concerned about your health. Looks like you are struggling to breath Boss !! Not trying to be mean or rude . Just concerned !

[@SillyMan-w7z]

It makes the most sense to go to Brookpark

[@JustinClutter-b1r]

More foot traffic in downtown where the old stadium is and put the dome up

[@paulgoodwin3640]

Jimmy could pay for it if he hadn't tanked the Browns checkbook for "Rub and Tug" Watson. Now he have to suffer through this pathetic season because Truck Stop Grifter couldn't admit he f'ed up before it was too late.

[@photonfartsqueeze6694]

I’m not sure how Haslam thinks he’s going to pay for a stadium in Brook Park. He doesn’t want to use his own money, state funding won’t cover it in full, and BP doesn’t have the tax base to cover it.

[@edalexander6155]

Where's the parking ? Not near 🤔

[@bjmartin1215]

Tyvis "Giggles" Powell.

[@Reglar_Cat]

Definitely bad for the city if/when they build in the suburbs. And it will be worse than when they lost the team to Baltimore because the city will lose the revenue associated with having games etc. downtown for a much longer period of time.

[@joelbrooks3198]

Nobody cares.

[@rpippen3455]

The City could and most likely were dealing with Haslam, but possibly the greed of the owner, wanting too much from the city? A "Billionaire" who already has, "hardworking " people willing to give him up to half on paying for this dome??? Life must be good for fans who are able to Help a "Billionaire" pay for a $2 billion dollar Dome. Lol

[@onlyonezay419]

Bull was in them trenches 🤣🤣🤣 yeah man EC is a nasty nasty place but it’s our hometown for many of us

[@edalexander6155]

There baiting Jimmy.

[@ryand5725]

Bull said he doesn’t understand why it became a thing that the community helps pay for the stadiums… Don’t buy into that line of thinking… It has always been that way and it’s a good thing. And it goes far beyond sports teams. When a real estate company (cough cough dan Gilbert bedrock…) wants to redevelop an area and make hundreds of millions off the redevelopment, the city chips in a billion for infrastructure… when a power company wants to build a new power plant that costs billions they get half of it in public funds etc etc… why is it that people think that sports money isn’t as green as say real estate money? For example… Anything that brings tourism, jobs, shopping, medical facilities, is good and benefits the city and therefore it’s okay for the public to incentivize the private organization to bring their business their or keep it their… Also, when you have sports teams and tourism venues and things like that in an area, it raises the standard of living and attracts new people to the area, which stimulates all aspects of the economy and when corporations see that they’ll consider moving to those areas as well…

[@chrisc3118]

Vote NO on the new domed Factory of Sadness. How about put a great product out on the field FOR 10 YEARS instead of this annual garbage and then we can talk about a new domed factory.

[@user-jpwiremans1575]

These three are not good together i learned nothing they constantly talk over eachother 7min in ckicking to something else.

[@allamericanveteranaav5234]

BTW Just a fun fact: The location of this stadium happens to be the very spot where model sold the team at on a jet in the middle of town.Forget about the cost to build what about the annual cost to maintain is millions of dollars and they will justify another sales tax to pay for it. Why doesn't cleveland have a rainy day fund to pay for it, maybe 4 billion like other states/cities. I am a huge browns fan and have been all my life. I have always thought that the Browns should be a fan owned franchise like green bay. Then we would never have to address what model did or anyone from doing in the future.

[@bradleypowell3986]

Y’all from the suburbs need to be quiet on this one unless you are for a regional tax

[@MichaelSimmons-ee4ib]

THIS 1000%. Cleveland brought the team back, and yall didn’t contribute a thing. Now you want to take the Browns? Criminal.

[@JB-pe2yn]

Residents of Cleveland are paying the taxes but y'all are too broke to buy a ticket. Majority of people going are from the suburbs. We will NOT be quiet.

[@4411825]

I usually don’t agree with Adam but he is far more grounded! It’s a shame seeing two black men who are so disconnected from reality! Football 🏈 is played for 8-11 games and the present stadium is more than adequate for that purpose!

[@onlyonezay419]

Lmao that’s the entire point of the dome. Too get usage out of the property all year around🤣

[@4411825]

@ What are all of these events that you magically are talking about 🤷🏾‍♂️ Cleveland has the IX center, the convention center, Gund and Wolstein to name a few where events can be held! The average fan especially the people these two host should be speaking for can’t even afford to go but I’m supposed to be concerned about some carpet bagger oligarchs phallic symbol 🤦🏾‍♂️!

[@4411825]

@ Also when did Cleveland Browns football fans want to play in a dome when that isn’t even Cleveland Browns football 🏈

[@onlyonezay419]

@ none of those hold the amount that a brand new state of the art dome would

[@onlyonezay419]

@ that dome is not being built for folks who can’t afford it I’ll give you that

[@BrazenBlack]

Saying you don’t know if the best thing for Cleveland is the Cleveland Browns playing in Cleveland is cowardly. Of course it is.

[@danmize5106]

Typical liberal talk.. I don't sub to hear your political takes... stick to sports and sports topics. BTW, explain exactly what the "rich" are getting away with @adam. I'll wager that you have no clue what you're talking about and you're just regurgitating liberal talking points.

[@rccollins1456]

you should of heard bull the other day why Tyvis said the economy stinks... Bulls reaction... what is wrong with the economy... gee bull other than grocery prices, gas prices, home prices... everything is great. :)

[@ncmike15]

This has everything to do with politics. Politicians & local law are the only thing standing in the way of the wealthiest people in our country having their way with taxpayers money and making decisions that will impact generations of people in Cleveland. Don't think for a second that the Haslam's wouldn't flush away any bit of revenue that feeds back into Cleveland to fill their pockets even deeper. I think you're confusing "liberal talking points" with the reality that politics plays a huge role in all of this

[@jakobgriebeler7223]

He literally said he doesn’t have any idea 🥴

[@danmize5106]

@@jakobgriebeler7223 but yet he takes the typical liberal stance of spewing bullsht... People made statements with ZERO knowledge and ZERO facts to back up a point. Bull has totally lost me as a sub and fan...

[@paulgoodwin3640]

Here's a crazy idea, unsubscribe. Typical GOP morons who think everything in America should cater to their wants like a little baby. You are a weak pansy who complains instead of just moving on. Oh my god, you subscribed, they should just be so grateful and only discuss topics you like. Seriously pathetic, grow a set!

[@TheSSUltimateGoku]

Why does the rendering not have an outdoor since they literally proposed to have the stadium be renovated outdoors stadiums are meant to be played in the elements enough of this done shit.

[@dreadbull5039]

A dome is happening. You better wrap your head around that fact

[@tpassmedia]

A new stadium that cannot be used 5 months out of the year is never going to happen. Any new ones are going to be closed to be able to host other events.

[@CharlesEBright]

The NFL is different now. The dome is happening.

[@MichaelSimmons-ee4ib]

I hate it, but yeah, a dome is inevitable for the kind of investment they’d need either way.

[@Reglar_Cat]

Jimmy has wanted a dome since he's owned the team (and probably before that, when considering buying the team). It doesn't matter that the winters don't come as early and aren't as severe as they used to be. What I don't get is that they are talking about spending billions but are saying that nowadays a retractable roof is impossible. Milwaukee was somehow able to build one for baseball in the 90s. Edit: Construction began in the late 90s. It opened in 2001

[@Bill-w4z]

Sure, let's get into business with the biggest crook in the NFL. If this is done regionally fine but Cuyahoga alone can't pay for it. Let's expand the sin tax to five counties.

[@scottmalek3482]

Build the dome downtown and never forget browns fans Jimmy and d haslams are the worst owners in professional sports