Which players will suit up for the FINAL TIME as a member of the Cleveland Browns vs. Baltimore?

[@GuitaroMAN44]

The way Jay and others romanticize John Dorsey is pretty ridiculous. Yes, he's drafted better than Berry simply by picking Denzel Ward and Nick Chubb but essentially none of his other picks really amounted to much. Remember Austin Corbett? Antonio Callaway? Greedy Williams? You know how Berry got a ton of flack for drafting Cade York? Well, Dorsey drafted Austin Seibert. Dorsey also traded away that precious 2019 first round pick for Odell, a move that would end up being a bust. To Berry's credit, I'd say he's drafted defensive players better than Dorsey, outside of Denzel. JOK, Mike Hall, Isaiah McGuire, Grant Delpit, Greg Newsome, they're all at least decent. Berry's weakness is offense. Obviously Jed is a bust. Jerome Ford is fine. Schwartz and Bell were big third round busts but Cedric Tillman showed a lot of promise. Again, I'd give Dorsey the edge but I don't think its a massive difference like Jay seems to think.

[@Freeanthony57]

I miss when jay wasn’t on the show interrupting and talking over someone ever 30 seconds. If I took a shot everytime he interrupted someone I’d be dead 5 min into this video.

[@CarlaBrandt-d3w]

These guys are missing the point. It isn’t Berry - it is what the coach does with the talent. We have gone to the play off Steve so there has to be talent. What is left after that? QB is the big Gail.

[@NicholasAchladis]

If the Browns are good next year, and the Browns still have Myles Garrett, who on this show is going to say that they know nothing about football? Because if I remember correctly, you guys were clamoring for the Browns to cut JOK prior to last year.

[@damerey5232]

This team could easily turn around next season but they think cutting emerson and all these guys is the answer, we have had the worst QB play in the whole league, our defense were able to stop the chiefs and eagles, like we gotta relax, this new year

[@BKB0509]

I love how they change direction they loved Bell and some of these players until they failed

[@ness4501]

John Dorsey missed on the most important pick after goin 1-31, and Jay wants him back. 😂

[@justinwitmer1805]

I'm sorry Jay the difference with the rams is they drafted Goff and then traded him for Stafford. They got a championship quarterback

[@NoLimitWillx]

The definition of going into a discussion with a closed mind won’t even listen to his actual point and keep going at the point they see in their own heads

[@pyrogundam117]

I feel Bitonio and Garret will be back next year (unless Bit decides in a month or 2 he’s retiring) and that’s the ultimatum, if it looks like this circus again they’re 200% gone after the 2025 season. Also not every GM is gonna hit on and keep every pick, but if they’re not what they’re expected, they let them go instead of Berry being a hoarder and keeping each one as long as possible. JOK is gonna be his only hit, Delpit is ok and they only kept Newsome since he’s still on his rookie contract.

[@dawgtownbrowns]

Listen to these guys and the Browns will continue to struggle. The Steelers have the same conversations last year, but they chose to support their coach in front office and look at them this year. For the Browns --Stay the course, get rid of Dorsey, and make smart moves in the draft next year.

[@Zacarias-fi3fq]

Hate this thing w Watson cause it looks stupid because he looks terrible, but if he woulda been what they expected, it’s a great trade . 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@molonlabe9635]

I straight hate how Jay argues. McNugget is trying to make a fair point and both Bull and Jay won’t let him hardly finish his point.

[@jasonshepherd9076]

Yeah they sound stupid. They act like it's 1000 number picks in the draft.

[@wetmovie2705]

Jay is the worst on the show. ESPN knew to have him as a host topic starter, but not a opinion guy... he sucks, he's annoying. He's dog shit.

[@DawgcityClev]

Can’t stand either of them or that liar Jason.

[@darrellc6853]

I just can't take these guys seriously.. don't know how it's a show. I can't watch more than 5 minutes before they prove they are just saying ignorant things for clicks.

[@DawgcityClev]

@@darrellc6853 Exactly. Or they same the same stupid 💩 every show. I unsubbed months ago.

[@raymondengle3372]

This is 20 minutes of attempting to enrage the fanbase.

[@in8inity150]

Those teams know when to get rid of bad players. Our Browns hold on to bad players

[@josephvittorio7105]

Hi strongstyle117, I've been advocating that for over a month. I'd even offer Vrabel Vice President of operations position so he can be in charge of player procurement and development. Maybe if we get enough people voicing that opinion the front office will keep him. The franchise would be better off for it

[@wetmovie2705]

What sucks is Minnesota took someone off Andrew Berry's staff and they're great. Yet another guy in our building and no one can spot Talent. They cant spot Talent on the football field or in our front office.

[@joyboy7900]

Please let Mike speak

[@Maleekster]

STOP TALKING OVER EVERYONE JAY AND BULL!!!! DAMN!!! I get you’re all passionate, but the show ran so much smoother when you guys were away and G ran it. Learn from him, he actually lets people get their opinions out before saying his. Normally just let it slide, but this episode was just too much arguing and yelling over each other.

[@thacryinggame]

The big one for me is Tom Brady. Brady doesn’t want to be in Cleveland any longer. Sad smh.

[@Big-browns-fan-314]

I don't think Barry an Kevin is the problem

[@AbdulAziz-mu6kq]

No G. Bush.... I'm OUT!!!

[@stephenayeni992]

I am with McNuggets on this.

[@OhioBaller11]

Jay if you fire Berry then you MUST fire Stefanski! Both must be held accountable!

[@jaybake]

Should have read ravens drafts. Nobody drafts better

[@deanbowditch7329]

Whatever the Browns owner does you know damn well its going to be the wrong decision..... Guaranteed

[@notnow41371]

Ray Farmer was the worst GM in Browns history...

[@nflnmichael]

no way! andrew berry is way worse!

[@ness4501]

Jay is so dumb, I’m shocked ESPN didn’t extend him, he has perfect espn low sports iq energy.

[@t-Ott]

You guys sound like skip bayless & shannon sharpe talking over each other and yelling.

[@brokenelevatorpitch2610]

The rams drafted an all pro this last draft what are you talking about. Berry is horrible

[@ShadowSelf216]

Rams GM is great at finding talent

[@nflnmichael]

yea berry is awful

[@scanner743]

The Browns should save the embarrassment and not show up for the game

[@charlesbutler2106]

Listening to these guys' logic on what the Browns should be doing could explain why we will never win anything. You dont just find players like Garrett in the draft every year. That's right, let's rebuild with the same people in the building 👷‍♂️ 😂

[@wcjohnson123]

Shouldve Done the Cardinals. They Drafted Kyler Murray during that time

[@strongstyle117]

Thoughts about offering vrabel the GM job?

[@nflnmichael]

better option than berry

[@DK-BayBay]

AB is not good at drafting at all. JOK and Delpit you can say are hits, but they were also first round talents that fell to the second. He ignored position groups for years, due to analytics and then had to overpay to fill those voids. The analytics approach of trade down for more picks that they have been doing since 2016 has got them nothing but 1 playoff win. Its almost been a decade. Idk why he's even here outside of money. He's probably fired next year, so what's the point of holding on to him. Why should they get a 2 year rebuild window? That had no plan to get out of the DW contract if he sucked and no plan behind him if he sucked or got hurt. Ownership decision or not its bad. This fool drafted a kicker in the 4th and DTR in the 5th chasing a Purdy type diamond in the rough. Outside of being aggressive and making an occassional big trade he's not a good GM. He overpays FA's all the time (maybe he has to its Clev) but the evals on those guys are bad because they come here and stink. Conklin has been the only FA signing I can think of that has done well for them in 5 years. Wild.

[@tomshed6302]

AT ADAM THE BULL, PLZ GO BACK ON VACA!! YOU ADD NOTHING TO THE SHOW...

[@justinwitmer1805]

Yeah I can't stand Jay anymore, your an idiot to trade Garrett, an NFL rebuild takes 1 year, we're a good quarterback away

[@richardfish8379]

you are not in rebuild mode turning you off att.

[@justinwitmer1805]

Does Jay say this sh.. just to stir the pot? Where G bush and tyvus and other dude

[@scanner743]

All of you are wrong like a dog who is strong and he belong to Hong Kong when he jog in the fog

[@Big-browns-fan-314]

Stop wit the Garrett trade stuff like that a good move hell no come up with a plan an fix the puzzle u have n place u dnt go into rebuild nor do you wave a white flag like ur tanking like be 4real u let Myles go we will be a even bigger laughing stock den all the years of losing an no one will wanna play here

Ward too

[@GuitaroMAN44]

Its typical Jay overreaction. I love how he says he loves Myles and yet always said TJ Watt was the better player and gave the impression that he'd want Watt over Myles. Jay's opinions change with the wind and he always approaches discussion topics from purely an emotional standpoint.

[@fmthebaron]

Ward is injury prone and has a horrible history with concussions. They should try and trade him while they can.

[@Big-browns-fan-314]

@@fmthebaron he isn't dat injury prone even with the amount of concussions he's had he still hasn't missed that many games what is still extremely reliable and the best man or one of the best playing good coverage man to man whatever He's still a pro bowler let the league and pass breakups even though if there's anybody I would trade this the court piece of any organization including this one it would be Ward but still I wouldn't do it unless the price is irresistible

[@Dawgpound50]

Whine whine whine smh yall annoying

[@StevenC32]

I think Joel Bitonio will play one more year depending on who the Browns sign as a veteran quarterback to start next season. If the Browns sign someone like Zack Wilson or Daniel Jones he may choose to retire, however if they sign someone like Kirk Cousins or perhaps Aaron Rodgers, then he will be intrigued and will probably play one final year.

[@nflnmichael]

I cant think of a worse GM than Andrew Berry, Made the worst trade and contract in nfl history (deshaun) then after 30+ draft picks he's only managed to draft 1 probowl player. Took jed wills with a top 10 draft pick! Traded Baker away and hes clearly a better QB than anyone on the current roster... the list goes on and on

[@mijwil]

Check Tampa Bays - every year the past 5 years produced starters....... Cleveland is historically bad.

[@kdude1300]

I looked up Tampa bays draft and you are wrong. They are league average at drafting too

[@mijwil]

@@kdude1300 have to disagree w you. Here you go. These are all starters or currently playing meaningful minutes. You can’t compare this to the last 10 years for the Browns. And my list isn’t complete. There are other guys on the roster from these drafts. 2024 Graham Barton Jalen McMillan Bucky Irving 2023 Calijah Kancey YaYa Diaby Cody Mauch 2022 Luke Goedeke Rachaad White Cade Otton 2021 Joe Tryon-Shoyinka K. J. Britt Robert Hainsey 2020 Tristan Wirfs Antoine Winfield Jr. 2019 Devin White Jamel Dean Sean Murphy-Bunting 2018 Vita Vea Jordan Whitehead

[@kdude1300]

@mijwil only a few of the people you mentioned are true starters. If that's the route you wanna go then for berry 2020 -Wills started for 4 years -Grant delpit -Jordan Elliot- played significant snaps for 2 years -Harrison Bryant -Donovan people's jones 2021 -Greg Newsome -jok 2022 -Martin emerson -alex Wright -jerome Ford 2023 -Tillman -dwand jones -issiah Mcguire 2024 -Michael hall You can make a list for most gms of starters/contributors.

[@kdude1300]

Zak zinter has promise, he was set back due to breaking his leg so we will see if he contributes in 2025

[@mijwil]

@@kdude1300nope. Wrong again. My list has at least 2 current starters on the team right now for each draft year. Some may be recovering from injury like Windfield, but he’s the #1 when healthy.