Dillon XL-650 VS XL-750: Differences Explained

[@imbored742]

My 650 has the grease fittings on the pivots, so it was definitely a change made prior to the 750

[@aed53186]

imbored742 same. Bought my 650 in May of 2018.

[@bryco32]

same mine is a 2017 xl650

[@coupesix]

Mine has them from 2016

[@glennradford589]

bought my xl650 about mid 2016 i think and the actual frame looks nearly identical to the xl750 with the extra fill in strength support in the o frame as well as having the grease nipples on the pivot bolts.

[@conexn]

I know I have lots of problems with the 650 and glad they went back to the tried and tru 550 primer system. Lots of primer problems with the 650, primers somehow get on there sides, they hang up or stick, dial sticks on everything it seems, you have to get a primer even if you don’t need it which means your always having to put primers back into the system. I have gotten to the point I will just hand prime my cases first then throw them into the hopper, it is that much faster, plus I clean my cases and check them at the same time which is a 3 step process anyways (washed, dry, & walnut tumble), this way it cleans & polishes the brass inside and out, even gets the primer pocket and flash hole perfectly clean, does it really mater, well it does to me.

[@dvalinut]

Thanks for another great video! For once you didn't cost me any money😁 I'm not really seeing any compelling reason to upgrade my 650.

[@rhenzq1640]

My best bet for anyone new to reloading, like most 650 owners, we've had it as long as 20+ years, loaded millions of bullets. Proven and tested. I just love my telephone dial.

[@MCLBC]

Hi all, I spent 11 years in the Military Police but I am completely new to loading/reloading ammo. Any advice? I am looking at getting either the 650 or 750. Would like to see if I would be able to sell the ammunition I make as a side business. Any thoughts?

[@kcstott]

That priming system is the same as the 550B Something I’m very familiar with

[@netpackrat]

It looks basically the same as that on my SDB which I have owned since 1995.

[@larrrs3]

Yes basically it looks that they tried to come up with a new priming system for the 650 and scrapped it and went back to the same priming system that's always been on the 550 since the early 80s

[@JSF1965]

so to me the xl650 is a cross between a 550b and a xl650. as for the refinements they added with indexing ive added a roller assembly and works a treat, my late model 650 has the upgraded frame like your 750 also has the grease points on the bolt ends like your 750. great vid , answered my questions . will stay with my bullet proof xl650. love it.

[@110americalovingpatriot2]

Will the Dillion 750 reload large calibers like .338 Lapua. I know absolutely nothing about reloaders, but after paying 4 dollars a round for cheap ammo at Cabelas, I figure I better learn how to reload. I bought a Ruger Precision rifle chambered in .338 Lapua magnum last year and it's like supporting a teenager. I'm checking into claiming little Ruger on my taxes for 2019👍 haha

[@mikebeschen7748]

338 LM should be reloaded on a single stage press. To make accurate match ammo, there are no short cuts.

[@mikethorn2634]

Yes Gavin, the zerk fittings were added to the late production 650's. The upgrade is available from Dillon if you go to the 650 parts area. It sells as an upgrade kit as I recall for around $50.00.

[@bryanrothe4245]

And all your viewers under 40 years old is asking what the hell's the telephone dial LOL🤣😂

[@chrismauck2710]

ok boomer

[@Webic33]

Need to lower that age threshold by a decade or so.

[@kirkmartin2223]

I'm 37 and have a rotary dial phone with the 15ft cord

[@Nmdixon-cu7vm]

chris mauck wrong generation zoomer.

[@SigmaBallistics]

I’m 28 and remember the telephone dial quite well

[@TaeKwonJoe98]

The frame on my 650 is reinforced just like the 750 so you can see obvious upgrades to the later model 650 presses!

[@brother9916]

Yes the chain reaction of a detonated primer is rare, well it happened to me and blew up 97 primers. the tube did its job and sent the force up and not out. it was the Dillion 650.

[@chrisfranks2215]

I have had a 650 for years. I struggled with purchasing the 750 because of the new priming system. I finally pulled the trigger on the 750 about 2 months ago and I am super happy I did it. The new priming system is awesome! I have turned my 650 into a brass processing machine and the 750 is now my loader. I like to thoroughly process my brass separately. I know a lot of people don’t like to invest the time it takes to do that however, I do and the 650 makes it fast. I put a primer pocket swager in and can run over 1000 pieces of brass an hour in my 650. If you are struggling with purchasing a 750 just do it. You will not regret it.

[@amsb4dafunk406]

You, and I are birds of a feather. Except I handprime while watching TV. I can run huge batches, and not have to worry, or cleanup priming failures. My buddy has a security cam video of his priming system going boom. A full tube cascaded. He still have tinnitus. Good thing he was wearing his Safety Glasses.

[@Jiminico]

Ams B4DaFunk What press and what primers was he using? Did he figure out why?

[@zerocool4256]

What swager are you running and how do you like it? Thanks

[@chrisfranks2215]

Brandon I found one on eBay and it works really well. I can’t remember the name of it. It replaces the primer rod. I can process easily 1000 an hour.

[@trsgringo]

@@amsb4dafunk406 what type of press / priming system was it that detonated, and do you know what caused it?

[@InstructorMoody]

Years ago I had a 650 but the primer system often got hung up if a primer didn't drop properly in the "telephone dial" ring. I traded it in for a 550 and love its primer system. I think Dillon got enough feedback so they finally changed to the better proven system.

[@deathsicon]

Speaking to how rare primer detonation is, I have a few cases my brothers loaded (while we lived together) from a 550 when they forgot to switch the primer bar back to a small after I loaded my large primer calibers, we had loads that flipped the primer up sideways and crammed in but never had a detonation

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

I'm glad to see that someone else leaves the powder measure hopper full and gets the discoloration on the plastic too.... I'm too lazy to dump it every time.

[@johnfreudiger4185]

I HAVE A GLASS HOPPER WITH 2LBS CAPACITY AND THAT DOES NOT STAIN

[@pb1964]

I've loaded more or less 1.5 million rounds with 650... multiple primer explosion on a 650 it's total BS.. I've never had a single one in mine... and I've loaded a huge ton of federal primers...

[@FirearmTutorials]

I thought the same thing. I've only got about 30k on mine but still don't see how you could detonate a primer.

[@pb1964]

@@FirearmTutorials well, on a second thought, there's someone dumber than dumb around that have figured it out, for sure... 🤣🤣🤣

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Thanks for the comparison of the 650 and 750. The changes are relatively minor, but definite improvements.

[@looloo6322]

I live about an hour away from Dillon in Scottsdale. I visit the store a lot more than I should. I checked out the new XL750 when it first came out, it is a nice unit, buy not enough of a difference to justify selling one of my XL650s to purchase a new XL750.

[@kenbell8752]

Good explanation Gavin! I have been a Dillon fan from the beginning. I had a Dillon 300, 450, 1000, 1050 and currently I still have 3 550s. I don't like swapping calibers either! 😁

[@timvatter2559]

Finally someone takes the time to explain the difference between the 2. I have the 650 and like it. Happy to see the carried over a lot of the same parts.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

I made a video about this weeks ago

[@ericm3876]

I really like the 650 priming system more than the "550" priming system. The 550 priming system slide gets dirty and needs more attention than the 650 priming system. When the slide gets dirty, the bar stops picking up primers and if you are not paying attention you have an unprimed case hitting the hopper. Bonus for the 550 system, is at times it will not feed a primer that is upside down but not always.

[@dwightdhansen]

For years part of the reason to choose a 650 over a 550 was the priming system being better. Now it's considered the other way.... oh well. I have a 550B & am happy with it enough that switching to anything else doesn't make sense.

[@azyavapairangers6453]

I agree reference liking the 650 primer system.

[@derekfrench5293]

I have two 650s, one set up as small primer and the other large primer, and they both have zerk fittings. My next Dillon press will be the RL1100.

[@lbriant48]

Im getting into 6,5 creedmoor Long range match shooting would this be a good reloader ? im using Hornaday 147 gr match ELD ammo now and It shoots Tight

[@MarkBrown5150]

Primer solution is the same on my 550.

[@groundzeroarmory]

We are wanting to purchase one of these for our company. But we're not looking to spend $2,800 if we can't purchase the primers too... Sell us some primers, and we'll make the purchase

[@CommonCentrist82]

You should do a Dillon XL750 giveaway... and the first giveaway should go to whoevers name is Steve 82.

[@brightideas5782]

Just inherited one of these and found 20,000 primers and shell casings and bullets my dad had after he passed away 😞 so I must say I'm now emotionally attached to this dillion 1050. Thanks for the awesome video 😊

[@Webic33]

Bought my xl650 in late 2016 and I have both the zerks and the zig-zag casting pattern of your 750.

[@douglassnyder1292]

I really appreciate these videos. Very professional and informational. Thank you. I have been trying to decide whether to get a 550C, or a "loaded"(bullet feeder, etc.) used 650 in excellent condition for a very nice price. This helped.

[@MountaintravelerEddie]

Wonder if the powder will throw 42.5 grains of IMR4895 and then the next case is 43.9 grains to blow up my fucking rifle..... Never had a good powder throw in these things

[@JohnDoeEagle1]

I have a Dillon RL-550B, Dillon RL-550C, Dillon XL-750, RCBS Rock Chucker, Redding T7 Turret, Lee #90045, MEC 9000GN Grabber 12 gauge, MEC 600 Jr 12 gauge.......I wouldn't give up, trade or sell ANY of them because they all have a purpose in the overall grand scheme of things.

[@lbriant48]

good vidieo !!

[@ericm3876]

@gavintoobe, the later 550 & 650 presses added the zerk fitting, unfortunately, mine do not have it.

[@MPGunther1]

Sorry I'm late to the party ☹ So the priming system is similar to that of the 550 which IMHO is the best on the market

[@DimaProk]

More like they copied off Hornady :) same thing

[@netpackrat]

@@DimaProk Other way around... Dillon has been using that priming system for a very long time on other machines, and you may note that Hornady didn't expand their line of progressives beyond the 1960s era 366 press until after the Dillon patents started to expire. Some other manufacturers didn't wait, found themselves in court, and ended up paying royalties to Dillon. Mike Dillon not only made money off his own press sales, but also off the sales of some of his competitors. 8^)

[@DimaProk]

@@netpackrat Good to know, I was just poking fun without actual knowledge :)

[@hartlandaerialsolutions2567]

So basically a 650XL improved and a Hornady AP improved priming system?

[@dannyclark8885]

If the 650 primer system was worth anything they wouldn't have changed to the far superior system on the 750. The 650 is a steaming pile of junk compared to the 750.

[@Mustangaein]

I have 2 Dillon RL1000's and they are great. Just cannot get any parts for them anymore. I have never had any issues with either one, They are setup for 223 & 308. I have 3 RL650's and they are setup for pistol rounds. The only issue with these are the primer jams which makes you have to take it apart to get to the plate so you can get the prime out. Cannot see changing to the 750. I also have 4 RCBS 4x4's and these are rock solid and will last forever. The only issue with these are changing dies and this takes time.

[@tedk8093]

At 5:40, camming systems - are they interchangeable? I have I dunno, about a billion reloads through my 650. My friends and I, that is. And that *jerk* the indexing makes that splashes powder, is that eliminated??? I did by an aftermarket gadget with bearings that goes under the shell plate. But it does that doesn't solve it and it gets dirtier quicker, blah blah.

[@jasonwoody8041]

looks to me like if someone was so inclined they could self upgrade a 650 to a 750 if you change the platform over. what is your thoughts on this? mind you the frame would still be the smaller of the two but everything else might be swappable...

[@Majja13]

I would like to know this as well.

[@billmaas4294]

When I got my 550 25 or 26 years ago and they said what is a zerk.

[@ericgilbert7194]

Great video. Explained what I needed to know. Thanks!

[@chriscahill9671]

I recently purchased a xl750 i have 2 xl650s on bench I'd to convert xl750 back to xl650 priming dial

[@jtotheshua885]

I’m looking for the best model for 300 prc. Anyone else loading for that?

[@davebittel7776]

Primer system going back to the 550 priming system. I've definitely had less trouble with that type than the rotary style on my 650s,

[@GunNut37086]

that linear primer feed sounds like it'd solve my problems with debris and poor timing between the "phone dial thingy" and the primer seating pin. I get at least 2 or 3 mangled primers per sleeve.

[@StephenB2]

I bought my 650 about 7 years ago and it has Zirk fittings

[@hk93shooter]

so the went back to the 550 style primer feed. interesting. once you go blue...

[@sergioreyes3578]

Having a problem with primer drop 750xl the tube does not drop any primers what do I do?

[@toddmajorowicz801]

Call Dillon

[@hkg3a2]

The zerk fittings are a late 650 upgrade. My 650 was like yours and I got a new set of pins with zerk fittings from Dillon several years ago.

[@chriscahill9671]

I live in Australia there is draught off dillon products every thing

[@DakotaTrucker]

Does the 750 have case activated primer feed or will it still spit out primers needlessly as you run up the press or clear it

[@billybags6134]

Never ever had any priming issues with my xl650. Nothing you showed is worth upgrading to the 750.

[@Ultimatereloader]

The XL-650 priming system works very well, but there are two things that I feel are improved on the XL-750: 1. it's a true on-demand priming system 2. it maintains a safe separation between priming area and primer stack.

[@chriscahill9671]

I have had problems xl750 priming system

[@spraynpray]

I got a 650 and my dad got a 650. Neither worked. Their support was shipping me parts, have me buying tools, etc. I ended up moving to Arizona. I drove my press over to them to show them it didn't work. They kept it for 2 months, called me to come pick it up. They admitted it didn't work. That's it. Just have $2,000 into this setup that doesn't work. It can't prime small primers so no 223, the reason I bought the press. Further, the dump chute on the 650 prevents the lifter from coming down. That was my first issue. I told them they need to harden that part or change the stamping. They sent me a new one and my dad, but all 4 chutes had the same issue. I told them there's something wrong there. When I went to their store, they have a showroom with display units. So I checked the chute. Same problem. So I mentioned the chute problem and they said it isn't a problem, they've never heard of it being a problem. Everybody online said it wasn't a problem. Everybody said I was crazy. I said, "Then you've never actually used your 650." Anyway, when Dillon said they'd never had a complaint, I said oh weird, because your display unit doesn't work because of the chute. We walked 15 feet over to it. I ran the arm down so the platform raised. As it went up, the chute was scraping it, and flipped under it when the platform went past. I was unable to bring the arm back up due to the chute being in the way. The old lady tech was flabbergasted. Somehow nobody has ever tried to use a 650 to notice it. So I showed them that I added a slight bend to my chute in one dimension so it couldn't bend over under the platform. Like thousands of people swearing by stuff they've never used. I learned to reload on a dillon 550, and used one a lot. I figured the 650 wouldn't suck, but I now have both mine and my dad's and they've been collecting dust for a decade. What an embarassment.

[@strawberrymochiiz]

So helpful. I'm getting tired of my Lee Loadmaster and how finicky it can be sometimes.

[@phillipg9345]

Ugh where do i start. I had a Lee single stage turret press, like it. Then had a loadmaster, priming issues even detonated primers, squib loads, broken plastic parts... garbage. Moved onto a 650xl and never looked back!

[@strawberrymochiiz]

@@phillipg9345 One day I'll get rid of the loadmaster and get a Dillon.

[@terryhill8832]

You never saved can you ever say exactly how much one of those machines cost actual dollars and cents

[@legalsolutions07]

Looks like Dillon discontinued the XL650 as I can't find it on the site. The 750 priming system looks exactly like my RL550.

[@jonathanlogan6647]

Can confirm late model 650s have grease zerks

[@Bobshell-tw8xy]

My 650 has the grease fittings and to damn bad they figured out that the 550 priming system was best. After I bought a extra priming system for my 650 at 100$ and it’s way easier. But I still love both my Dillon’s. Wouldn’t never use anything different. Been loading for 25 yrs on my 550 and about 4 yrs on my 650.

[@caseymeadows9320]

i think i'll just stick with my two 650 XL with grease fittings

[@tmtaylormade]

Casey Meadows can u load most rifle and pistol cartridges?

[@caseymeadows9320]

@@tmtaylormade yes

[@whliving]

How high is the top of the 750 above the bench (to the top of the case feeder) with your inline fabrication mount? Specs say 38.5” for the press with the case feeder, plus 10” for the mount. So, 48.5”? I ordered my press and I am ordering the in-line fab mount, but I am building a bench and don’t have the press or the mount for measurements. I have a low ceiling in my basement so I need not build to high. Great channel btw, very helpful.

[@lancesemba1719]

where did you get the cool stand setup?? did you make it?? Id love to be able to slide my loader on rails like yours

[@Mayhemsr1]

Inline fabrications stand

[@chriscahill9671]

U make some valid points about the 2 presses 650 and 750 I have just delivered a new xl750 i have 2 xl650s I'm taking my time installing etc I previously owned 3 RL1050 press I like priming system 750

[@trimat2016]

Seems to me they should have called the 750 the 600, as it's a 650 with a 550 priming system. A backwards step IMHO. I upgraded from 550B to XL650 25 years ago and never looked back. The reciprocating bars on the Dillons (powder measures and primer feed), have always been the weakest part of their system, prone to wear and requiring more frequent cleaning. I have had a 1050 as well for 20 years now and i really wish it had the 650's primer feed combined with the 1050's primer seating.

[@kochj0713]

Here is the MAIN ISSUE with the 650XL.... The priming system …. It can jam up due to dirt from primers. or GOd forgive you, by mistake have moisture left in the used primers (wet cleaning system, no issue with the corn cob types/ dry case cleaners)

[@davidrogers1279]

I have 2 650s and was thinking about selling and upgrading. After watching your video, I see zero reason to up grade. Both of mine are running at 100 % with zero issues after years of service and 10s of thousands on one press. The other 650 is much older and has loaded over 100,000 between myself and other owner. The only reason I have not gone to the 1050 is because of the warranty. Thanks for the comparison.

[@badoldboy5557]

Same primer system than the 550. If you are looking for primer problems with the 550 press at youtube... I got an 550 and 650 and I know why I don't take a 750

[@aadempse00]

Well they fixed the primer tools from blowing up. Yes this can happen on the 650. Force a primer that is misaligned and you can have a chance in igniting the whole primer tube. This has happened to me. Luckily the primer tube is reinforced and shot the inner primer tube into the ceiling.

[@noneya135]

I know this is an older video, but I'm hoping you still see comments on this. I'm trying to plan out my next workbench with the goal to have a 750 attached to it in the future with the UltraMount system as you have it. How far is the handle (where you grab it) from the ground when it's at its lowest position. Also how high is your work bench top from the ground? Knowing those two numbers I can figure out the bench height I would like to have.

[@hobbeeswe7472]

You are truly The Man, excellent walkthrough as always. With all your knowledge I was kind of hoping for a quality verdict, is it worth it to go for a 750? You know, enlighten us followers 😊

[@Physics072]

My xl650 has the Zerks on the pivots.

[@BSDCLUB]

Any chance you could tell me the dimensions of the footprint of the full set up, of the 650 xl? I'm trying to figure out where I want to put mine, but am having a hard time finding a good spot for it. I'm going to be working in a confined space, so I am asking around for anyone that is willing to help out and measure theirs. Thank you in advance if you answer!

[@chriscahill9671]

Very good video especially the close ups and explanations I have 2 xl650s Thinking about buying 750 and Rl 1100 223 and 308

[@m118lr1]

I have a 450. That is the press I started with.

[@CWfist]

Yours came out after mine (the 450Jr) as an improved" version

[@Pje3ski]

Ok looks like a 650 with a square deal priming system on it. Always worked good on the square deal.

[@IMPACTSHOOTING]

Awesome vid!

[@sampsy2896]

My 650 came with zerk fittings

[@mustanggreg66]

I ordered my Dillon 650 in late 2012 and it has zerk fittings on the left side like the new 750.

[@ZhuJo99]

yep,same on mine, bought as second hand in 2017.

[@luckyguy3341]

What is the difference in price between the two?

[@sig7798]

Hi Gavin, My 650 purchased in 2016 came with Zerk fittings and my body casting looks the same as the 750

[@Tainted-Soul]

Is the bullet dropper ok for Lead head ? as in .44 mag ? thanks for any info if not I'll just have to hand load that bit , also what the best loading system for Primers as in loading the rods ? Large and small primers thanks

[@TylerKnouff]

My 650 has the extra material in the frame, and the “newer” fitting you talked about. I got it the year before they changed to the 750 lol

[@TMS5100]

So basically the xl-750 redesigned the priming system to a linear slider very similar to the hornady l&l ap.

[@deankruger9146]

I just had a primer mag failure on my XL650 and it was my error but over 100 primers went off. Yes it does follow around the primer rotary disc and up the primer magazine. $25.00 in parts and back in operation. Lesson learned!

[@frankw7266]

I've had my 650 since '96 (still have the VHS instruction video), loaded hundreds of thousands of rounds on it... the only time I've ever had to reach into the spare parts bag was because of a spring that I lost, and Dillon still sent me a free one even though the loss was my fault. My opinion on the 750 is that they changed a couple things just to say they did something "innovative"... not a fan of the 550 style priming system, never had a single issue with rotary feed on the 650, never a single detonation.

[@b0ng0man]

a couple of my friends use a 650 and had the whole colunm of primers ignite.i have a 650 and broke jsut about every spring on it.

[@endutubecensorship]

So, if you were starting out what would you prefer? XL650 or XL750?

[@boricuaarecibo9259]

That's me I'm very new to reloading I never reloaded ever. I bought the 750 2 months ago. Needless to say it hasn't arrived yet. I wonder if I made a mistake. Maybe I should have started out reloading on a turret press like the area 419 zero press. What do you think?

[@endutubecensorship]

@@boricuaarecibo9259 I haven't started or tired it either but I think theres so many people happy with Dillon products you cant go wrong. I have been told to start super basic, a single stage press. I believe that fundamentals is important then you can speed things up from there. If you can find a single stage press for cheap I'm told it's a great way to start.

[@bogey19018]

My xl650 had a primer feed malfunction. Blew the primer tube rod into my ceiling.

[@jimgaffney4524]

99% sure my 650 has the grease fittings

[@squrilebrain]

any chance of upgrading them to be full automatic with the motor set up like the beast dillion super 1050

[@lanceschul]

If you want to see how to set up each component of the press in great detail, look at 76Highboy on KZbin. You’ll be up and running in a hurry. XL750 is awesome.

[@georgeyetka7689]

late 650s have zircs

[@nicholashoward2556]

u talk too damn much.. get to the POINT

[@larrypesek8818]

Thanks. My old 650 purchased in the early 90s does what I need it to do but was wondering what differences there were.

[@jasonwoody8041]

hey gavin i own a older 650 and a newer 650. the newer 650 has the greese fittings as well as the stronger frame lime the 750.

[@alp9532]

The later 650 has zerk fittings

[@bobkohl6779]

Went back to the old Star priming system

[@HuntShootOffroad]

You missed the second spring stop, improved camming, new spring loaded finger and quite a bit more. I'm not sure you really bothered to note the differences to be honest. I must say I missed the increased strength in the frame in my video comparison.

[@the1bulldurham]

And most importantly the taller work area that gives room for taller cartridges.

[@HuntShootOffroad]

@@the1bulldurham yes I believe it can do 338 Lap now

[@deante1022]

Just bought the 750 because of your reviews

[@Ultimatereloader]

Good deal, you will LOVE IT!!!!

[@deante1022]

@@Ultimatereloader thank you for the content will be looking forward to future videos

[@Billbobaker]

Great video thanks for sharing. My XL 650 has the beefed up casting webs and grease fittings.

[@Gunker02]

After watching this, I can affirm, Dillon is definitely a better designed press than a Hornady LNL. IDK what the issue with my LNL is but it can't seem to stay in sync. Its either the shell plate won't fully rotate or the primer mechanism doesn't work properly. Definitely going to be getting a Dillon

[@bradburkham7817]

Watch Gary to set up the press on video from Dillon. Much easier to understand.