UMP-45 Review - 34 Max Damage! (Battlefield 3 Gameplay/Commentary/Review)

[@levibailey6256]

Lol i cant believe he didn't see him spawn 0:45

[@Jdabomb93]

Probably thought he was a teammate. The blue icon of another teammate was over his head too. Lol

[@Fournier46]

0:45 WORST SPAWN EVER. XD

[@TheJoker-sz2zm]

I love that full reload of the ump-45 and m5k

[@seymourbuttz966]

I subbed after watching most of your videos, keep up the good work.

[@distortionofsacred]

I ran noshar cannal with ump for weeks. It was the most overpowered thing in the game.

[@muzzammil697]

Kim David nope

[@acog_quarks8753]

Hell yeah it is. I went 163-32 with it in tdm years ago. The damn thing is/was broken.

[@Pinkymilo]

Same, got 100+Kills several times using ump45/noshar cannals

[@notajtag4568]

Acog_Quarks, r/thathappened

[@notajtag4568]

Pinkymilo, r/thathappened

[@AUSeGuy]

Awesome video, lvl cap produces the highest quality weapon reviews by far. Perfect mix of stats on how the gun performs on paper but also personal opinion on how it plays in game. It's also nice that you don't just dismiss a gun because competitively it won't be widely used, most people are in the boat of liking a bit more variety to keep the game fresh.

[@fusionsagerYT]

this gun is an absolute BEAST but yeah it really does suck on big maps and if you really want a gun for all ranges , i sugest you to get, aek 971 or an94

[@muzzammil697]

d3rpweed - noscop3r K2002 nuff said

[@rynelloyd1022]

Rifles shoot rounds at a higher velocity, generally causing the bullet to go in and out, a gun that shoots a larger round such as the .45 shoots the round at a lower velocity, which means the bullet tends to hit its target and explode its insides.

I use UMP 3 hours and got >500 kill :D This gun is best for deathmatch.

[@HDSerbianGaming]

My top 5 weapons in Battlefield 3: M16A3 UMP.45 P90 SV-98 L96A1

[@VNSnake1999]

Should i put a suppressor on it ?

[@HDSerbianGaming]

Duc Duy Nguyen Nah I prefer stock with Red-dot sight.

[@memegod1548]

Duc Duy Nguyen nooooiooo

[@VNSnake1999]

will it reduce the recoil ?

[@Leap623]

Well said, Level. It's pretty amazing how they gave such a massive buff to this gun yet it still is hardly worth using. Says a lot about its previous state.

[@bobbudowniczygames]

My top 5 weapons is: (2014) 1. UMP.45/2,700 kills 2. P90/1,400 kills 3. ACB-90/ 1,100 kills 4. AEK-971/ 1,050 kills 5. M1911/ 1,000 kills Update 2016: 1. UMP-45/4,257 kills 2. ACB-90/1,934 kills 3. AEK-971/1,749 kills 4. M1911/1,738 kills 5. P90/1,563 kills

[@fireguy308]

Another note is that the 45 ACP round is inherently subsonic even firing most +P self defense rounds and all military ball ammunition. So when firing suppressed the rounds naturally don't make the super sonic crack that is common of high powered rifle rounds. Just attaching a suppressor doesn't mean the rounds fired are subsonic or completely eliminates the sonic signature. Suppressors simply eliminate the muzzle report much like a car muffler reduces the sound signature of a vehicle.

[@rthomas201011]

As long as youre up pretty clise it's a good weapon. I find I can take out some guys at range as I have good gun skill, however if they do too I am dead. I will have s ho with the mp7 once I unlovk it. On a side note I found a server today that has it s a banned weapon so some peoplr think its op at least.

[@theomegawolf562]

I love the ump 45.

[@VZNiels]

The major advantage of the ump is the fact that is perfect for the suppressor and the laser sight. Other PDW's have to get extended mags or require you to fill that slot with something else to be effective. The ump is one of those few weapons along the p90 that has excellent hip fire while silenced because of it's ability to have that laser sight and suppressor combo.

[@il7inn105]

i got 16kills in a row with this lol

[@101Hurricane]

Keep the weapon reviews coming. After the patch, weapon reviews are the most important of things.

[@EpicMRPancake]

Loadout Episode: UMP-45 Heavy Barrel Lazer Sight RDS/KOBRA/HOLO Whatever sidearm you want (i advise .44 scoped to take out those marksmen who are a bit too far away) I think the Heavy Barrel will make this gun a bit better at range while still retaining the close quarter damage, the lazer supplements CQC nicely.

[@lllwarchildlll]

LevelCap I love the vids man. AND I luv the fact that after you posted this EVERYBODY is either running an UMP, or an M416 from yer other video. I swear dude if you did, you could talk people into running M26 Frags, and never opening parachutes if you said it gave you extra health.

[@kroser1983]

on console where the recoil is harder to manage with fast rate of fire guns it makes this gun very good indeed as you can get most your shots on target, with the damage i find it an awesome gun

[@iloverock6556]

i wasnt talking about the .45 cartridge, i was comparing the .45 to other cartridges. and where did you bring the 3m thing from. i was talking about the length of the barrel being 2 to 3 ft. 3 meters is roughly between 9 and 10 ft. velocity all comes down to the cartidge and length of the barrel, that's why pistols and PDWs don't compare to assault rifles and sniper rifles because their barrels are typically 4 to 6 inches in pistols and 12 to 18 inches on most PDWs. .45 wld B bttr w/ longer brrl

[@iloverock6556]

it all comes down to the size of the casing, and the length of the barrel, and the amount of powder in the casing. so dice kinda got it right, because the barrel is not that long so you dont get the increased muzzle velocity compared to a 2 to 3 ft barrel like on assault rifles and snipers.

[@mabadood3000]

Same. It's what helped me get heaps of level ups and other stuff. It rocks for me with Suppressor, RDS, and extended mag

[@Ebenezer563]

I know, I was talking about stingers. It wasn't ever supposed to stop stingers from locking on.

[@therogueforce]

The caliber of the weapon is only one thing to take into account here, the Scar H fires a 7.62x51MM NATO round which is a high velocity, high stopping power rifle round. The .45 ACP is 11.43x23mm which is made for pistols, it's far shorter and has a lot less velocity as well. While its stopping power is very high, it is only high at close range, and it won't penetrate that many body armors. The length of the round, the speed and stopping power of the round, all must be taken into account.

[@TheMarc9814]

The whole point of the range nerf was to distinguish this gun from the PP-2000. It was to show that the UMP was good for close range only, whereas the PP-2000 was for mid to long range.

[@MyChemicalBromance]

Great video, but I think one unique feature that kind of got missed is that the slow rate of fire and high-damage actually make this a pretty good weapon for serial engagements. You have the potential to kill just under 9 people in one clip without headshots, and the decent accuracy/slow fire rate makes it easier to keep the clip going through all those people. PDWs like the VAL may utterly out-damage it, but if you need to consistently dump half your magazine to get the kill you're not going to do as well against multiple opponents. Plus I find it pretty easy to get headshots thanks to the low recoil/fire rate.

[@diogenesfinewines]

Man, those were the days... 🥲

[@7thJustice]

It is actually usable now, but you really need to stay very close to your enemies, so it makes the suppressor a must pick.

[@MikeGoesBoom]

It's an smg, it's not supposed to have extreme range or accuracy. The damage + the amazing hipfire and the fast reload are what make this gun so awesome :)

[@Kristinn1989]

There one thing many seem to forget. PDW, or personal defense weapons, are just that. They are not primary weapons. You can throw one in with Recon if you desperately need a close range spawn beacon or something. But you can't expect them to perform as well as primary weapons, they are not designed to, and it would throw game balance out of whack, different classes get different primary weapons.

[@dannylew8299]

man I think the UMP buff was a welcome upgrade and gives me more reasons to actually be excited about the future patches. So far every patch feels like they've been improving the PDW's making for different play styles and tactics. Yes you are correct in asserting that the UMP-45 is still inferior to all of the PDW's but to play with it and do good is oh so satisfying. Guess it's a niche gun, and I'm okay with this.

[@MrChunk84]

It has a much longer barrel than the M1911 that allows the bullet to gain more speed making it hit harder and the increased barrel lengh also puts more spin on the bullet making it more accurate before exiting the muzzle.

[@WoWFanX]

Symthic actually shows the time to kill with the UMP-45 and the M5K are both 203 milliseconds. So if both people shoot at the exact same time, and land all of their shots, both players will die at the same time.

[@Crestfallen2596]

Hey LevelCap i used the UMP-45 as Recon on Canals with the EOtech, Flash suppressor . and laser and went 159-26 trying to get the specialization for it and just fell in love with the capability of it at short and sometimes medium ranges but i just dominated with it and help my team come back from a 100+ kill behind to win the game by 100+ kills

[@Flippin1911]

From a realism stand point, I think that the UMP patch is fine. PDW stands for Personal Defense Weapon. Usually meaning you're not going to be personally defending yourself from someone that is say 200yds away. Add in the short barrel/compact size and you're not going to have that great of accuracy. The min dmg should be higher, but its not something that is completely necessary. Most of the balancing patches DICE does are for situational cases.

[@TheHEAVYmetalMONK]

To preface I know this is a game but the damage stats are about right for the 45ACP which is the ammo that the UMP uses. Slow moving, heavy hitting bullet that drops quickly.

[@x408GT408x]

It only holds 25rounds because it doesn't fire your avg 9mm. It fires a fat 45acp which is as big as it gets unless you got a 50.

[@NikiHerl]

If you (your squad) equip something twice (or even three or 4 times), it doesn´t have any additional effect, so each perk should only be used once

[@Silavite]

I know. The longer the barrel the higher the muzzle velocity due to the fact that the gasses from the explosion from the gunpowder have.

[@TyP0100]

the UMP-45 is quite an efective weapon, one thing though is in the video a supressor was used and that really hurts the fire arms performance, i personaly dont think that a being hiddden is better than having more power with the high velocity rounds. if the ump had a forgrip than it would perform better as well its a perfect close quarters weapon as said before because i can put two rounds or three in some one and they're down, but at longer ranges its a pain to deal with,

[@ericgte]

You're definitely right with the M1911 min damage vs the UMP45 min damage and the dropoff. They use the same round and the UMP45 even has a Longer barrel than the 1911 - about 3 inches longer, which should increase velocity slightly thus increasing the range.

[@ackerkartoffel8627]

true true but the long range drop off totally makes sense because its a very heavy cartridge, the bullets have a very low velocity around a third of the bullet speed of the JS-2, CBJ-MS, MP7, P90 or the PDW-R which actually is a carbine

[@MartinWTBJunk]

Increased by a factor of 9!?!? I would never use anything else on noshar! That's 225 damage up close there!

[@Zsinj3]

Used this in TDM after watching this, was getting 30+ kills per round out of 100. Just nuts. Had a few triple hip sprays in canals. Beast close up, just beast

[@sidtai]

i think dice has more ump a more-specialized gun and it is a good change. its interesting to see a slow firing weapon good at CQB which is usually dominated by fast firing guns

[@StefanAndre182]

Well put. I have serviced star'ed every weapon in the game for that same rationale.

[@1hiphopopotamus1]

actually both the weapons that fire .45 acp rounds in this game (m1911 and ump 45) are both 3 hit kill at close range but they lack power at a distance

[@عبداللهرويشد-ك5و]

If it's a three shot kill, that makes the M1911 pistol have the same feature, because they're both optimized for short range and USING the SAME bullet type (.45).

[@adityabaddela2526]

0.46 how did you not see that dude that spawned there right in front of you

[@GuitarzOnFire101]

Yea I was a little bit afraid that it would be just a map where you had to drive like 5 mins before seeing someone, but it's not! The maps are really amazing!

[@lg3659]

Exactly PDW's are designed for close range, they're not meant to do the same job as an assault rifle, they're designed to do massive damage at ranges where you can see the whites of your enemies eyes, you need to learn not every weapon has to perform well at medium to long ranges, and there not going to make it really easy to use, they might want it so you have to practice and get good at it, i like it, i did quite well on ziba tower, conquest dom, close range using 2-rd burst it does its job

[@kabloosh699]

Realistically speaking if you were going to go make the damage similar what guns do anything shooting a pistol round is generally going to be inferior to rifle rounds especially if we were going to be factoring in body armor.

[@majortwitched]

All I can say about calibers not doing the same damage is "Dice logic". BFBC2 is a great example of such things: M1911 did 33.4 base damage UMP45 did 20. They just seem to use names of guns and their clip size. Not mention that M95 the 50 cal sniper does NOT always kill with one shot to the head, it has a worst damage model than the M40a3 a 7.62 sniper.

[@LtMadWolf]

I have been using the M5K With holographic Sight and extended mags. Its decent but the gun can still use another buff eaither in Faster reloading time or a very small increase in damage.

[@thijs966]

Canals is a great map to test guns. Has short and mid range. Tops floors etc and it's probably the map which is played on the most of the servers

[@nerd101fantasyfreak]

well the range wouldn't matter if you took the suppressor off because it takes the range down by a lot because the rounds travel slower to it's target there for reducing impact damage

[@Pow3rus]

The UMP45 have a 200mm barrel and the M1911 a 127mm barrel (for the classic one) so normally with the exact same rounds it should be more powerful

[@wizzzer1337]

i swear i made a post about this a few months ago in Battlelog or EA-UK, and what i stated is that the SMG's should behave like in COD, which is very simple yet actually a logical solution- the big bullets of the UMP have a ton of energy up close so they do a lot of damage from close range, but at long ranges the damage drops a lot... so now it's perfectly balanced for what it's really supposed to do!

[@530horace]

THE GUN IS NOW AWESOME!!!! Unbelievable stability when moving, manageable recoil amd High damage output in close-mid range.

[@UncleAwesomeRetro]

Great video :) As far as I know, you are the best youtuber to review weapons.

[@WoWFanX]

I made a mistake in interpreting the website's data. They do kill at the same time at extreme close quarters, but beyond that, the MK5 kills faster.

[@Troublechutor]

Good review. Agree 100%. I tried it about on Strike at Karkand with the impression that at long range I might as well just use a pistol since the damage is roughly the same and frankly the pistol is probably more accurate. However, up close, its like a shotgun... it has the same feel as firing a FAMAS really out to 20m in terms of TTK... but the mid/long range fail is too hard to ignore. Still, I love it. will use it more now. Would like to see the Min damage bumped to 13/14 given its ROF.

[@vudoo8996]

Lvlcap, do you think for air warfare the stealth specialization should make the vehicle invisible to air radar other than stationary AA? Air radar is the most used and it eliminates the point of really searching for an enemy pilots, similar to proximity scan where even if your prone or not moving you still show up on the radar. Players rely heavily on them to much.

[@Larcifron]

Personally love the blue navy camo because it was one of the unlocks in CoD4:MW. Had some beast runs with the MP5 with blue or red camo. Tho that camo looked more like tiger stripes if I remember correctly. That game was fun back then :) Now, similar camo's just brings back some good memories.

[@megahammerhei]

the UMP is fun in range off 1-8 meters... Everything above it drops back to 10 damage very fast.

[@ntmbro]

i was playing on hard core norsha canals tdm with ump supp and 1911 s tac and i was out gunning everything but shotguns and was still droping people to a range with relative ease i have fell in love with this and i think ill use it on everything but assult and sniper if i want range till 100 stars

[@philosofrenzy]

This is true until you leave point-blank range, where the damage falloff of the UMP is rapid, but the AEK's is not. What's more, it doesn't take into account the fact that people tend to miss with a bullet here or there--the average player misses between 75% and 85% of the time. The higher RMP makes individual missed shots less significant.

[@jaysonhaven8980]

I completely own with the UMP, i think the issue with it is that people treat it like a assault rifle/carbine, when it is a oversized pistol with a big magazine and damage output. Also,strap a laser sight to it and you dont need to ADS ever.

[@silvershotthebeast]

I'm pretty sure that .45 rounds for PDWs are still the same for pistols. So... Powder is the same, and the casing only holds the powder and bullet. But, the velocity does matter, just at 3m it is pretty much stupid to even bring it up. At 3m you're dead from any gun.

[@TyP0100]

the 9mm round has more velocity and accuracy. also i personally like .45 caliber rounds over 9mm but the .45 ACP round is very different from the .45, and to make it easier its like comparing the M60 and the M249. one has more power while the other more speed and velocity and accuracy / so when i say power i mean more ability over the other

[@OneMadZomb1e]

Nice video man UMP will be getting some more love

[@FabianR87321]

I just love your videos dude. I just watched 7 in a row. You sound so professionel.

[@zubirhusein]

The round contains more energy by virtue of velocity rather than mass. 45 acp bullets usually weigh more. If a 308 was traveling at the same speed as a 45, the 308 would have less energy because it has less mass.

[@CaptainKeyes90]

Levelcap is aware of M1911 getting higher minimum damage than the UMP because of balancing reasons in the patch but its still wired because both shoot the same rounds. Also he compares UMP to M5K which always outdamages UMP and to MP7 which outdamages UMP beyond 8 meters (symthic.com). Furthermore UMP shoots slow which is unforgiving because you always miss some shots hipfiring in close quarters. So M5K is better in close quarters and on medium range nearly ervery other PDW is better.

[@me4919]

The problem the trying to make everything completly accuate is that the p90 would be completly op. the 5.7 round does about the same damage as a 45 round and is extremly accuate.

[@NeoCat1993]

I found this one quite effective on range if you use single-fire or short bursts - took down some snipers with it.

[@TVR161]

I was actually a fan of the m5k before but it just feels beastly now in CQC

[@relentlesss2012]

ump 45 great for close quaters yeah but i think you forgot to metion how little recoil and vertical kick this weapon has with this gun at close to medium i can pretty much thread my entire magazine into an enemy with out missing i think this imao is why it outclasses other pdw's in this range category

[@XM4N1AC11]

The UMP is soooo good! Its mainly a three shot kill. Run Kobra RDS, Flash Suppressor and Laser sight. A-m-a-z-i-n-g!

[@TimeStream76]

It's just what ya get used to. I dig the ump45 when aggressive sniper time is needed.

[@YasonYou]

I don't remember what video it was, but does anyone remember a comment where someone said they think Activision should sue Dice for stealing the UMP?

[@jokecukie]

Yes. Holo, laser and flash supressor works best for me too.

[@wrestling1911a1]

. 45 acp is a defensive pistol round only to be used no more then 50 yards, the 308, a standard hunting round and military rounds is capable up to distances much greater, the .45 isn't used for range....

[@Gumnball]

Always loved the feeling of the UMP45, so badass.

[@admiralbeotch462]

It works like a SMG from COD. I don't mean to start a fanboy war, but it's like the MW3 UMP went to battlefield. It has clear irons, and great max damage, better than that or most ARs, the only downside I see is it's fire rate of 600, which is low for SMGs. Range isn't really a problem since it's an SMG, and you just need to use it like one.

[@Phoenix44439]

Hi Lvl, I was using this new UMP-45 and was noticing something rather annoying. I was playing the CQ maps and in one game alone I had 5 deaths from enemies that were left at 0% or 1% HP. I've never had an incident where I've had so many enemies at once be left with that little amount of HP and end up getting killed for it. 5 times in one short game seems a bit much. If you could reply to this with an addition to your review or whatever that would be great. If anything I'm glad I pointed this out

[@FM4AMGV]

it has a higher alpha, one shot makes them reconsider there move, one of the reasons i like the G3

[@gambistmedialinywood861]

For a load out use a Famas only with a flash light with a non suppressed g17

[@XM4N1AC11]

Oh, I used to hate the UMP but I figured out how to use it effectively and it worked out great! I tend not to use SMG like the PDW's but in my opinion the P90 is probably better than the UMP.

[@fahrenheit016]

I am surprised that so many people insist on using a foregrip on assult rifles that still has pretty low recoil. it just fucks up your accuarcy

[@Shubdooba]

...Yeah, actually. Thanks for the correction. But anyway yeah, you remember those old spencer rifles that came out after the one shots, right?

[@maarc3D]

Consider the damage in hardcore, aka "As it should be played". Two shot kill at close range to kill. It just makes sense. Unlike normal mode.

[@LobbySurfer]

Rpk uses irl 5.45 rounds, the same ones that are used in ak-74m. Did you mean PKM/ PKT (PKT isnt really in the game)

[@wizzzer1337]

the minimum damage of the SCAR-H is 20, that means the the SCAR-H at long ranges can kill at 5 shots, even at extreme ranges of 200 meters. i do very well with the SCAR-H in big maps, and i see people wo are really good using the SCAR-H to drop people at insane ranges. at longer ranges the UMP is just an UMPA lumpa, and SCAR-H is charlie from the chocolate factory.

[@therogueforce]

Nope, as I said, the .308 is a rifle round, take a look at an image of the 2 rounds and you'll understand what I mean. What caliber the .45 ACP, is nothing compared to the length, and velocity of the .308. The .45 ACP's energy transfer is about 835 Joules at best, while the .308's energy transfer is about 3,500 Joules. It being a high-velocity round, it can also pierce body armor, while that .45 ACP will do nothing. As I said before, there are more factors to take into account other than caliber

[@omegaxtrigun]

They didn't sneak them in. They said there were going to be 5 more premium weapon skins.

[@samwilliams6820]

But if all rounds did the same damage in bf3 the bolt action snipers (apart from the m98B, which doesn't have another gun that fires it) would be rendered useless and obsolete because the semis would outclass them. Same goes for the shotguns, which I believe all fire the 12guage rounds.

[@TheMainMan318]

this is one of the best mid to short range guns in the game for me. i literally rack up the kills when i use this gun, its my last resort if my team needs to pick it up and get some kills

[@zubirhusein]

45 is only slightly more massive than a sniper round such as .308 Win/7.62x51. Velocity is more important than mass, and the diameter of a round is not that important.

[@CognizantCheddar]

You're talking about hipfire accuracy and accuracy while moving as 'handling'. Well, those are objective stats, and anyone who goes to symthic.com knows all about them. That category includes lvlcap. Lvlcap is just making the point that at extreme close-range (when 'acquiring targets' doesn't really matter, because they're already right in front of you), the UMP's time-to-kill is no better than an HMG. And he's right. You also need to consider that the HMGs will suppress almost instantly.