UMvC3 Zero: Lightning Loop Tutorial

[@25mrkeys]

TK means "tiger knee". To tiger knee just means to "jump cancel" any directional motion by inputting up-forward at the end.

[@CrimsonSnow]

The beginning of the combo usually you hold down L for your charge button to make things easier. Once you use Soul Genmu that is when you switch to using another button like M or H.

[@mitche110]

TK means Tiger Knee. Basically what you want to do is add an UF (Up+Forward) motion to any regular ground special. For instance, the Raikousen. To TK the Raikousen you need to input: F, D, DF, F, UF. Doing this quickly will result in the game thinking you've done a super jump, into an air special move. Try to out. It works with any move. Just remember the UF motion at the end. Also, try Youtubing a UMvC3 TK tutorial, I'm sure they'll be able to explain it better than I can.

[@ExeCaptain]

@DoubtedPlatypus It means Tiger knee. For example, a TK'ed hadouken is 23698+atk. A TK'ed Raikousen is a 623698+atk.

[@ExeCaptain]

@heavenprodigy The only lightnings that were not TK'ed are the ones after the lvl 3 buster. There's no way to skip the lvl 3 buster, a straight up TK raikousen wouldn't work because the opponent falls too fast. For the last question, you do not TK that lightning after the lvl 3 buster.

[@ExeCaptain]

The buster can charge during the animation frames of sougenmu. The L raikousen before sougenmu is when I start charging the buster, combine that with the charging time from the animation, and it will always come out fully charged.

[@romann921]

Thanx, I'll keep working on it. Gotta say it does feel different from doing other Z motions, probably because its in the air.

[@ExeCaptain]

@AlvShiokawa 1) I think you mean Sougenmu, but anyways, you don't have to hold up together with the buster. You can just jump up and release it, the timing isn't too strict. I think what your problem might be is that you can't get the lvl 3 buster to come out fast enough. If that's the case, then for the Raikousen before Sougenmu, make sure you hold L as soon as you do the L raikousen. By the time sougenmu finishes, the buster will be charged to lvl 3 guaranteed.

[@ExeCaptain]

@AlvShiokawa You want to do the raikousen as quickly as possible after the lvl 3 buster. The first TK lightning should come out fast, the second should come out slow. It seems odd, but by slowing down the 2nd TK lightning, the shadow's lightning will keep them airborne.

[@heavenprodigy]

Thanks, it's whiffing after the lvl3 buster, back to the lab to make this work

[@ExeCaptain]

@heavenprodigy If it is whiffing exactly after the lvl 3 buster, it means you're not inputting the L raikousen fast enough. If you are talking about the TK lightnings, make sure the first one is done as quickly as possible, and the ones after that are done at an intermediate pace.

[@ExeCaptain]

@AlvShiokawa 2) Sometimes it does whiff. Make sure the first TK raikousen comes out as quickly as possible, then slow it down for the 2nd one. If you go to fast, it seems like the shadows lightning whiffs. Hope this helps!

[@kikook222]

You have to be charging the buster before you even go into the super. Once you do FDF L, do not let go of L. Also, delay the jump to give a little more time for the charge OR activate the super a little later.

[@Accel345]

after you press light for the lightning start holding it and activate sougenmu with medium heavy, and then pause for a split second and jump back and release buster

[@fenrirbr]

the epic music amuses me

[@heavenprodigy]

Thanks for the video I been waiting for someone to explain this loop, I have a few questions from the video it looks like every lighting was TK'ed but the notion states otherwise also from the point when you activate the shadow super do you have to lvl3 buster to get the loop going or can you skip the lvl3 buster and just go straight the TK lighting ?lastly when you activate Shadow mode and jump to lvl3 buster how would TK lighting move of your already air borne from the lvl3 buster? I never un

[@kellerprime]

Hey nice vid...but what i've seen on the zero forums on SRK is that instead of doing the 2nd TK L raikousen you can do a TK H raikousen instead, so this gives you more time to fully charge the buster while he's falling back to the ground, which then you follow up by a buter shot & then a L raikousen then repeat the process

[@romann921]

Not as much, been practicing, and been getting it down a lot better, thanx :) Just had to get used to the timing after the buster

Thanks for making this tutorial :D, really helpful, congratulations for the effort :). But I have some questions here: 1) What makes the Raikousen Loop easier to connect? When I start it: When I activate Genmu Zero, should I keep holding up, together with the buster button, and then jump and release the buster? Or should I keep holding buster button, wait for the opponent to fly up a bit, them jump and shoot buster? 2) Sometimes the 2nd TK Raikousen (I choose H button version) misses.

[@ExeCaptain]

I'm not too sure about the ryuenjin coming out, since I've never really had an issue with that. But the issue here seems to be your motion with the TK Raikousen. Being able to do the TK raikousen motion is a lot different from doing it after a normal aerial raikousen. Don't worry about practicing the loop too much, make sure you can consistently do a lvl 3 buster>L raikousen>TK L raikousen.

[@ExeCaptain]

@AlvShiokawa You could hold up and do it, but you don't have to. But even if you do, I'm pretty sure the lvl 3 buster would be fully charged by then.

[@ExeCaptain]

@kindofdifferent07 Any assist that helps extend Zero's combo can work. All you have to do is land a hard knockdown and then jump>H sentsuizan>L raikousen>Sougenmu>lightning loop. Zero can even do it without any assists.

[@kikook222]

TOD do involve DHC's BTW. That's why it's called a TOD, as long as you can build the meter to DHC then it's considered a TOD combo.

[@ExeCaptain]

You basically end things with an up motion. For example, a hadouken is a 236 motion, a TK hadouken would be a 23698 motion.

[@BowlineDandy]

Tiger Knee which means you jump then you do shoryuken motion in the air but really fast (thats why the loops are really low)

[@danteMdie]

Wow... Watching this vid really has that strange effect of "NOW I'M MOTIVED"

[@KazikaroInei7550]

Holy shit, you actually play the same EXACT team as I do. Also nice tutorial video btw, but I just want to ask, do you know how to end it with the Jam Session setup like Sam's Club did in Texas Bar Fights? I'm pretty sure you can connect the last launcher with Jam Session, and also you could use that to connect with the Raikousen loops too. Also btw you play on PSN or XBL?

[@TheSigmaNinja]

Ok first I'll say the obvious, it just takes patience as I'm sure you're aware. For the directions I use 6238. I had the same problem with the Ryuenjin. The problem is that you're simply going too fast, try slowing down. You have more time than you think. After the air Raiko pause for just a sec before you go in the TK Rais. After the two TK Rais pause again so the enemy can fall a bit and get hit by the Real Zero's buster. If the Shadow's buster hits it gets kinda weird. Anything else just ask.

[@ExeCaptain]

It doesn't matter. In this video, Strider is only used as an assist extension. You could also use Dante, Vergil, Doom, and many more. You don't even have to use an assist extension.

[@ExeCaptain]

My best advice would be to make the motion as smooth as possible, not as fast as possible. If you use a stick, make sure you can hear all the "ticks".

[@devak451]

Great video, very helpful. Thanks!

[@valmanway]

Just keep up the practice. Zero is the best character in the game, but also one of the hardest one to master. If you are using a pad, make sure to address the A (or L hit) to the right trigger, and B (or M hit) to the left trigger so it's easier to buster charge.

[@ExeCaptain]

Depends on what you play on. I play on a stick, so my advice is to do a forward motion, then a qcf. The key is to be very smooth and not go too fast and miss a direction. If you play on pad, I can't help you too much there.

[@ExeCaptain]

Once you release the buster, do a L raikousen. As you do the L raikousen, you can hold down the L and then immediately switch charges.

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

After thinking about my earlier comment your right. It is a marvel game after all so "broken" just means "normal" after all lol.

[@ExeCaptain]

The problem is that you're going too fast, not too low. I find that the 2nd TK raikousen is the one that usually drops if you do it too quickly. So yeah, you are right that the hit box disappears. I also find that if you can to a super jump TK, this is no longer an issue. Personally for me, I can't do those consistently though.

[@NathanIWN]

Adding forward jump to the end. The notation would be 6239 + L. Hope it helps!

[@BowlineDandy]

Yeah, but the question was not related to Zero lighting loops just to TK in general. Yeah no its standing jump L lighting loops twice then M lighting to buster, etc

[@ExeCaptain]

@AlvShiokawa I'm actually not too sure. What I do is I just do 62369 motion. Keep practicing, took me a long time to get it, but it was worth it.

[@Hieixa]

lol woot! i learned the loop yesterday! thanks for the video @ExeCaptain c:

[@Accel345]

either medium or heavy, its just a preference thing

[@KumaKing]

Sorry im a little new at this, what is TK mean? Oh and do you use the M Raikousen or H Raikousen and then canceling it into buster as soon as Raikousent hits off the ground. ive been doing M but clearly you are better at this than me so i could use some help :/

[@leonblackk]

1) lo haz echo? mi personaje favorito es zero y la verdad que he visto mil combos con el y son pocos los que son verdad como te dije el oponente se recupera automaticamente tras los 30 golpes aprox ... y no es que no sepa jugar he jugado lo suficiente como para save lo que puede hacer zero y tu video hay mil como esos he visto miles no pretendo criticarte solo es mi opinio ya que conozco sus movimientos

@ExeCaptain Hey again, well, about the thing of holding up, and the one of waiting for the enemy to fly up a bit and then jump up and shoot. The one in your video (wait for enemy to fly up and jump and shoot) seems to make Zero reach the ground earlier than holding up + L during sougenmu. This is important for me to know, because, the higher the enemy is in the air when Zero lands, the easier it should be for the Tk raikousens to connect, right? :)

@ExeCaptain another doubt of mine is, does the reason for the 2nd TK raikousen (in my case, H raikousen) whiffing, is because of taking too long to do raikousen after lvl3 buster (after sougenmu), or because i take too long to do the first tk raikousen, or both? Also, about doing 2nd tk raikousen fast, I do this in fear of the enemy touching ground, giving how close he seems to the ground. So even with this, slowing down for 2nd raikousen will still hit? Also, thanks for the clarifications :D.

Hey again ExeCaptain :). So, I was thinking on the what you told me about doing the raikousen right after lvl3 buster and as quickly as possible (Which should help with the thing of 2nd tk raikousen whiffing as well?). And about holding up ( num keyboard 8) and L buster. What if we hold diagonal-up (9 in numerical keyboard) + L? Would this help make raikousen come out quickly after buster? I mean, we are already buffering the forward motion when we hold 9 :D?

[@xxlifeispeachy17xx]

for the "z motion" you wanna think of it like throwing a fireball except you press foreword first.

[@Chayraz2]

"...he may be the best in the game." Why am I not surprised. Megaman Zero is so badass he made it out of Megaman X7 with most of his dignity.

[@aznxhmr]

Before, i was having trouble doing this too, but i notice if I wait a second after you start the sougenmu (while holding doing L when you do the super), it would be charged... it takes some practice to figure out the timing

[@lucasbiittner4642]

nice

[@TheSigmaNinja]

Shoutouts to ExeCaptain, thx for being patient and answering my questions bro it helped a lot :D

[@ExeCaptain]

@KazikaroInei7550 I actually use a new way to start the loop now, since I find it to be more consistent. I could be wrong but I think the hsd gets too high to connect the last launcher with a jam session. My new way is basically the same as this one, I use jam session instead of vajra. I find that it gives me more time to charge for the first buster shot. And I play on PSN.

[@edmondYJ]

what does TK mean?? :O and question, do you use Hienkyaku, during the loops? cuz it looks impossible without it....

[@ExeCaptain]

Yep. I'm not entirely sure if Mihe uses a 360 pad or not, but he can pull these off very consistently. The type of controller you use is not that important, the only things you will need are lots of practice and lots of patience. Good luck!

[@ExeCaptain]

I haven't really tried it, since there was never any need for it. But I'm pretty sure it is possible, considering I've done it with lvl 1 x factor.

[@DarkhadouX]

If you hit with 2 buster shots all you have to do is make your 2nd TK Raikousen a TK H Raikousen. I'm sure you've seen my video with the modified loop (same damage).

[@ExeCaptain]

You can switch charges. In this case I was holding the M button to charge the buster.

[@metallica6207able]

if you start charging the buster as soon as the cutscene for sougenmu starts, you will have a lvl 3:)

[@NightmareBA]

Do you have to use the buster shot during mid-lightning loop? Do they fall out if you don't? Also, does it matter when you use the buster shot while you are doing the lightning loops or can it be done whenever.

[@CrimsonSnow]

Think of it exactly the same as performing a TK hadouken motion, but you're pressing forward first.

[@ExeCaptain]

@AlvShiokawa Well actually, I don't believe it makes a difference. In fact, it may even be the case that if they're too high up, the loop doesn't work. The part in the video that shows me hitting with 2 buster shots illustrates that. But again, whether you wait then jump or jump up right away doesn't really matter. If you look at one of my newer vids, it shows me jumping up right away. The most important thing is to do a L raikousen immediately after the lvl 3 buster.

[@klyzTV]

instead of holding the charge with L then switching charges so you can lightning wouldnt it be possible to hold a H charge the whole time by pressing H during the lightning ( so the H doesnt come out but you still start charging)

[@Karnage202]

@Anjelllo9607 u have to switch ur charge button mid combo to m or h

[@KazikaroInei7550]

@ExeCaptain Well it's either what suits better, personally going into Jam Session is easier with only one relaunch combo and you could just get 1.1m with just two meters. Ah I play on XBL. :( Well if you live around the South to play for Final Round in GA, I'm definitely going there.

[@Purgatoriesify]

delayed hyper combo. when you're doing a hyper combo or just finished doing one, you can follow it up with another one as long as you've got another character as well as the meter.

[@ExeCaptain]

Well its not like you have to, but you should. By using the buster shot after 2 TK raikousens, you maximize damage.

[@dat1soldier]

i saw this combo used on chris g for a perfect and a loss to him he was so stunned by it

[@ExeCaptain]

@kellerprime I guess that works too. I'll edit that into the description.

[@heavenprodigy]

Ohh ok thanks I read the notation wrong, I'm have to play around with it a lil because I tried it your way when it time to jump the buster was at lvl2, it feels like I have to start charging before I do the last lighting into the shadow hyper

[@BlitzkriegID]

it really helpful, thanks man.

[@Accel345]

you have to switch the button you are holding down the buster for

[@ExeCaptain]

Once you do the normal L raikousen, hold L, and then switch charges.

[@TheSigmaNinja]

Any tips on consistent TK Raikousens. I agree with you on the difficulty as I can pull this off two out of five times after just a week of practice, but I just have problems maintaining the loop.

[@ExeCaptain]

@AlvShiokawa If it works for you then go for it. I don't think it is necessary, but if you find that it helps, then great.

@ExeCaptain One more question :D (They keep coming haha). Does it help if i buffer the forward motion (6 in numerical keyboard), so that when i go for the TK raikousen (shoryuken and diagonal up) i only need to go a half circle upwards ( 23698)? And about said buffer, is there an exact moment when the game starts registerding the buffered 6? Because lots of time when even while holding 6, the TK makes L sentsuizan :( .

[@KumaKing]

oops not raikousen..thats the lightning move right? i meant the one that hits off the ground...crap i dont remember what its called..

[@romann921]

Every bit helps, thanx :)

[@Soulexr2]

all i can say is just keep practicing until its natural only hard part for me at first was the TK motion just remember Forward, qcf then up forward

[@ExeCaptain]

@DarkhadouX Interesting, thanks for the input.

@ExeCaptain He he, you are right, I confused Sougenmu with Genmu Zero, my bad. Well. About the raikousen before sougenmu, I think i hold L as soon as said raikousen starts, but then, I notice that if i hold up + L, if I release L as soon as the buffered jump happen, Zero doesn't sem to have lvl3 buster on. Does this happen because i took long to charge buster or I do indeed have to wait a bit after sougenmu ends and then jump (like you show in the video) for the buster lvl3 to be ready?

[@X831HUSTLER]

When your doing the loop do you jump straight up or diagonally back?

[@Fkjlh]

Hey in your opinion, which one is easier? the first or second way?

[@BowlineDandy]

What i do is set LT to L and RT to H. Just dash using M+H on your pad, and rock and roll!!!!

[@kaikai_soraaaa]

Glory

[@bullseye3054]

Ik this is fckin ages ago but it really helped me a lot getting to the point where i land these in real matches. But my problem is how do i make one buster hit while in sugenmo state

[@edwin813foxx]

Can someone tell me this I try to do it but when it it comes to the loop it self I always end up doing a fake out one and when I do it it isn't as much as hits as this why is that?

[@kikook222]

Eh, I don't like doing the M lightning, I've been doing it my for so long it would take me too long to train my muscle memory.

[@fleiboi17]

Having trouble switching from light buster charge what should i use to charge the buster to continue loop

[@Tmathh]

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. iv been doin that...interesting thanks

[@Chinny0120]

That's the trade-off.

[@TheSigmaNinja]

I use pad. After the aerial Raikousen should I do the first tk raikousen as fast as possible or can I pause for a sec? I find it works better if I pause but it drops sometimes. Also could you tell me what's happening if I end up getting Ryuenjin instead of Tk Raikousen after the aerial Raikousen, am I going too fast or missing inputs?

[@yaboi1497]

Hold while doing L raikousen and sougenmu. that should work. It takes awhile to do it. just concentrate

[@Aunesto110]

I dont know how to cancel the complete buster in the lighting loop to start the loop =//

[@yuethomas5609]

Thanks every since my guys beat me I've benn training wit zero:) first I need a new controlling

[@ExeCaptain]

Well not completely all the way. Every time I release the buster, I would hold the L button after the following raikousen, then I would immediately switch charges to the M button.

[@3sstudent]

i activate and hold for buster then jump after activation and my buster still wasnt charged

[@romann921]

any tips on doing a flawless Z motion? i can't seem to get more than a few in at a time.

[@blinkshadown]

could you make a video without assist ? also idk if its me but im having big trouble doing this in my vita, i had no problem whatsoever in the hori stick, but its hard to hold 1 button and press the others being that theyre so close i end up screwing it any tips there too?

[@yangsing]

I can generally do the loop but the hardest part for me is charging the buster long enough during the loop to get level 3. Half the time I don't charge it long enough. "Notice how I jump up and shoot the buster as soon as the shadow's lightning finishes. Doing so will give a fully charged buster shot." I'm kind of confused and what the above quote means?

[@trysephiroth007]

There's so much damage and hitstun scaling that the air S wouldn't hit and even if it would you wouldn't be able to get a Rekkoha to hit because they would get up before combos.