UNBALANCED - BMP-2M - War Thunder

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[@lonurad1259]

It's vehicles like this which has made me say for years there should be a system that changes the BR depending on what modifications are equipped.

[@airsoftpopcorn]

Do people in the comments really think that tanks that are easy to kill can’t be op?

[@somaticapollo6025]

at top tier yes

[@noobhue1997]

Aparently being able to fire four atgms strong as Khrinzatema's 9M123 almost instantly while on the move does not account as op for these people

[@OcelotSF]

​@@noobhue1997 so firing from a tank is op?🫣🫣🫣

[@noobhue1997]

@@OcelotSF firing what?

[@hyneksmid3293]

at this br it doesnt matter to face 120mm apdfs in 20 mm armor or 300mm armor.

[@blaken3824]

why does this get 8 atgms but Type 89 and CV9040 BILL only get 4

[@uniquescorpions4802]

It gets 1 reload.. that’s it, sorry operations manuals say how many ATGMs a vehicle carries

[@nathansherman5684]

A couple years ago the Maus could see this in a full uptier

[@dxhunter9170]

This does explain my (and my friend's) experience with the vehicle. We all got it one after another, and one after another we realised that its kinda doodoo stock. I eventually gave up on grinding it and swapped back to my beloved bmp3.

[@funwithmagnus8570]

I'm so close to this thing. My buddy I play with alot uses this to support me, staying a little behind and scouting, getting follow up atgm hits on stuff I've immobilized and watching the flanks. It's a great team vehicle.

[@bradleycavalier1311]

its atgms work, unlike tows currently.

[@samgus2000]

The fact that it is the same br as the bradley a3 is insane. It is more survivable missiles are better the gun is better and it has better missiles. that you can fire on the move. Gaijin really over rates top attack missiles. Also all 10.0 ifvs should have a stock apds belt.

[@everblades4]

bad take with the apds belts lol

[@samgus2000]

@@everblades4 na you incorrect, and you have clearly never played the top tier ifv's that dont have stock apds.

[@OcelotSF]

clown 😂

[@fowlWarDog]

something something game will never be perfect yadda yadda, nevertheless I will point my greasy finger at this thing and call it op because it will never hear these three little words: "launcher is deploying" yeah... fuck you Mr. "muh-statistics" Gaijin.

[@dilbob454]

HONESTLY, why in the fuck does the launcher on the Bradley have to unfold every single time. It never does irl at all

[@southcityflyingcolumn4874]

My favourite play with this is to use commander view turret down and flick atgms up from behind cover.

[@katgut]

Lol rus mains mad in the comments and rus spys coping

[@oofdotcom420]

I just unlocked this thing today and it might not be the best but stock atgms really make the stock grind bareable and actually somewhat different fun

[@somaticapollo6025]

ok now talk about stock tiger uht.. the tiger was so far the worst stock grind imaginable, i dont think it was a skill issue, but 38 rockets/4 hot3s and no gun at 11.7 was really painful. using certain modifications should change the br of a vehicle, which would solve a lot of problems like stock heat at 11.0. like the type 90s with heat should be at like 10.3

[@M_VERICK]

Now watch it getting nerfed or moved to 10.7

[@TomislavPuklin-x5m]

@adjustmentAttitude ATGM launchers are nerfed for mid range. Close range you can annihilate someone, long range, it's fast and agile. Mid range, most of the times you will not have enough time to maneuver the missile or outright hit the ground.

[@TrepidDestiny]

I wonder if the solution to a lot of balance issues would be dynamic BR's. Like if a vehicle is say 8.0 stock, but once you get X amount of upgrades on it, it is 8.3, then another X amount is 8.7, then spaded is 9.0? I suppose the only problem with that would be a niche case of even stock it's under tiered. You'd also have to account for spading it, but then only equiping like 1 overpowered module to keep it's BR lower, like gen 2 thermals, or better APFSDS, but I'm sure those could be accounted for in this system.

[@TheNerovar]

Every IFV higher then 10.0 is trash. BMP-2M is suck so much. Always play with 11.0. Terrible thing. Do not recommend.

[@samgus2000]

You don't need to fire all the atgm's to switch missile type. You only need to fire 1.

[@MrFoxtanz]

Vbci at 9.7 and the worst model gaijin can choose who aren't used by France. You have a better no weels IFV at 9.3 with bushmaster the Strf 9030. You have a slughtly weaker HSTV-L at 9.3 the Vcc80/60 without hoover spoted motor! Bmp2/3 at 8.7/9.0. And soviet continue let Bmp2m and PVO at 10.0! Even Japan have better IFV at a so lower Br than France who is a premium...

[@cinnamonoa]

I just wish the Type 89 could still fire on the move :(

[@teci95]

Everything Russian in this biased game is undertiered. I have all of Russian vehicles and other nations too, playing since 2013 but it’s just not fun and boring knowing that you are being handholded to the death with turmst,t80ud,2s38,su25k etc spam to the death. Oh and this little bugger bmp2m can shoot on the move itself atgm. Something other nations cant and need to be standing still. Thats a big advantage. Да Comrade. Our propaganda is tasty!!! Mind you I know Western games have same propaganda too for their stuff. Im just tired of these stuff

[@Petkopanchov]

blame Churchill, for starting the Cold war...

[@leflavius_nl5370]

I think the base BMP2 is a lot stronger for its BR. Not sure right now, havent played the 2m in a few months i think. It loses its supermobility :( if i recall correctly Edit: i have no idea how they were stock anymore. It's been years since i spaded both

[@WoozyK7]

It's decent at best. What really kills this vehicle for me is the lack of mobility. It's hard to be aggressive.

[@stpbozin8253]

I would rather talk about other balance. For example of situations with planes and AA's when at 9.3 you can have AA's with ir missiles but planes with flares only available for you at 10.0. And this 9.3 AA's with missiles often playing at 8.7 and at 8.7 you have planes like mig15/17 that stood no chance against this. What makes difference between this game and let's say other tank games is that in this game you have planes. But the balance between planes and AA's are broken in a favor of AA. So you have to have really op cas plane to use it successfully. But if you have average plane you just getting fucked by AA's. Also if you don't have that op broken cas plane all if you can do is to play tanks and hope that those who have this op broken cas plane wouldn't see you. Also weird how one side can have op cas and op AA and other side can't have any of this.

[@airsoftpopcorn]

The game should be balanced towards aa, otherwise there would be no gamemode for ground vehicles

[@airsoftpopcorn]

But yeah, it does suck how at some brs, one nation will have both the best aa and best cas

[@stpbozin8253]

​@@airsoftpopcorn yea maybe balance little bit in favor of AA is ok. But look. AA already have bunch of advantages over planes. AA have radar it can see planes way before planes can spot AA. AA cost much less points. On top of that tanks have mounted machineguns so they can shoot planes aswell and some tanks almost like AA. If we not talking about top tier with all the termal vision cameras with huge zoom and guided bombs/rokets. Then planes in a disadvantage by default. AA can see plane on radar at 10km or so. And a plane visually can spot things from like 1-1.5km. Maybe if it's a desert map you could spot something from 2km. But if it's a city or forest location you just have no chance to spot something that is not moving. Planes could be a problem for ground vehicles only if no one is using AA. But if there is few AA spawned then plane couldn't even get close to battle field and have to stay away dodging shells and missiles.

[@tac2oo7]

50% winrate with russians at 10.0

[@OcelotSF]

Ok idiоt proven - shooting planes w piercing rounds. So op

[@PompousMagnus]

No where close to being an OP tank. Dies way to easy, not capable of making aggressive plays, and cannot get instant damage resulting in either you trade or just die outright. Its a good tank but not even close to being OP. People complaining about it are just coping or just bad players, you literally should never die to the BMP if you are paying any attention.

[@zinnsoldat6493]

Bruh , I killed it a couple times with BMP-1.

[@drzy_mek]

Its crazy how incredibly wrong you are Its one of the most cancerous vehicles in the game

[@iUseSporks]

Lmao can’t be aggressive? Dead ass I didn’t know there was any other way to play it sometimes I don’t get a nasty flank but most times I do and you can say goodbye to half the team

[@zinnsoldat6493]

@@drzy_mek fox is far more worse

[@kju520]

​@@drzy_mek it checks foolish players, probably what happens to you.

[@SlicerJen]

it is good in the right hands, it is good when spaded. sooo....anything good, raise the br until it is unplayable. WT business as usual. got it.

[@sepehrnourazar9705]

You know how many times this thing just ate away my APFSDS rounds with 600 mm pen , nah this is not unbalanced it's too balanced

[@gasparferrandisromero1075]

you should play other nations, verse other vehicles, and you would see that gaijin stupidity with high pen bounces is all around every nation

[@DOOM_A-O]

10.0 Russia lineup is insane. 2s38 (disgustingly broken) BMP2m (I regularly use mine at 11.7 and do very well with it) the Sprut2 which has shit armor but is very good in the guns and optics. the 152mm T80 with the most pen of apfsds in the game and the SU25. Its an insanely OP lineup. BMP2m and 2s38 should both be at minimum the same BR as the HSTVL, not the same BR as the dogshit bradley.

[@jacknineteennineteennine1869]

remove the stock ammao, give it the second best armore piercing and move its br up or remove the best ammo, plus removing the thermal and give it an lesser version (1st or 2nd), plus remove the abilety to lounch on move and then move it down in br ffs

[@Petkopanchov]

or maybe learn to play and stop blaming vehicles for your massive skill issue problem...

[@Max-hn5fs]

@@Petkopanchov bmp2m reserve tier then?

[@bruh-nb8hf]

Don't call it unbalanced I haven't unlocked it yet😑

[@salt_of_souls]

Unbalanced? Bro the 2M is ok since there's literally other veicules that now are way more broken, 2S38,F-104(9.3) qre some exemples, and the whole 7.7-8.7 is fucked because gaijin cant make ww2 veicules and early cold war veicules match maker balanced.

[@notnurfcreanga]

stop running around the wagon trying to justify leaving the bmp-2m at its battlerating

[@salt_of_souls]

@@notnurfcreanga so, what br you think it would be good for him?

[@gasparferrandisromero1075]

@@salt_of_souls he's gonna say 11.7

[@notnurfcreanga]

@@salt_of_souls atleast 0.7 higher than it is rn

[@salt_of_souls]

@@notnurfcreanga no, I think 10.3 would be good for him. but im general gaijin need to change they ranking sistem

[@zinnsoldat6493]

Is that new Logo

[@Catboy-up6qj]

The best moment for the bmp 3m is when the enemy is spawncamping😈

[@somaticapollo6025]

3m? do you mean 3? or 2m?

[@Catboy-up6qj]

Bmp 2m sry my mistake

[@IIW4RHAWKII]

I fucking hate this thing

[@Luisasophie163]

compared to lets say the puma on the same br its really strong because of the firerate and the tandem atgm because they can be fired while moving. i would say the thing what makes it kinda op is not the vehicle itself but more the close range city maps we get all the time. The crazy thing is rly as i spaded it the stock tank is so fkin bad but spaded... another story. Btw the bmp is taking alot of damage in the front quite often XD but you cant rely on that

[@uniquescorpions4802]

Considering the Proxy fuse missile nerf, the weak survivability, it’s slow. I think it’s balanced where it is. Plus my god the atgm speed is like a 9.0 atgm. Reliably I kill things with the 30mm, I’ve found the ATGMs to really not be super effective.

[@fulturk4306]

Its strong but not op tbh, the 2s38 is definitely overpowered

[@stevie.die_9051]

The actual premium situation at 10.3 and 11.0 made 10.0 games nearly always as a downtier br. So stop talking bm2m is unbalanced. Just let this vehicle stay where it is.

[@Zealot2024]

The PUMA, 2s38, and the bmp 2m all neef to be like 10.7 minimum

[@Ferreira_Jakuzure]

The Puma currently is just a worse version of the vilkas

[@salt_of_souls]

No, the PUMA is the most okay in ALL of the IFV, no atgm or special Shell. Just "good" armor and ok pen for a quick cannon

[@samgus2000]

​@Ferreira_Jakuzure eh I mean the puma is a lot more survivable. And can't be ammo racked. I have been ammo racked in the villas. But I'm not saying the vilkas isn't better. But it isn't just a better version of the puma.

[@Zealot2024]

@@Ferreira_Jakuzure the PUMA refuses to die.

[@Ferreira_Jakuzure]

@@Zealot2024Yeah that happens sometimes, the PUMA is in no way a bad vehicle, just don't think the it should be in the same br as the BMP-2M or the 2S38 wich have better armament and are just as mobile or in some cases faster

[@wifi_soldier5076]

I hope Gaijin add the Tiger truck with the same 30mm cannon and 6 ready to fore kornets.

[@flareamv5503]

excuse me BMP2M is op? IS IT PLAYERS OR GAIJINS FAULT THAT RUSSIA MAKES AMAZING WAR MACHINES ANSWER IS NO i play USA and Germany Russian tanks in war thunder are easy to kill and i mean super easy cos of how nerfed they are fucking T90M the most advanced and well protected tank to ever exist in real life and be in service in war thunder has bad reverse speed (irl is 16km/h) had rounds from the fucking 1970s and has no lower plate armor or ERA on the lower plate so nothing in Russia in war thunder is hard to kill or op if you are a good player

[@nuklear7074]

Most nation are using "outdated" ammo right now. Modern APFSDS does not care for ERA and would be just point and click. Also an upgraded T72 is by no means the best protected and most advanced tank.

[@gasparferrandisromero1075]

Propaganda got you hard

[@flareamv5503]

@@nuklear7074 i didnt say upgraded T72 i said T90M just cos T90M is basically an evolution of T72 they are in no way similar and yes it is the most advanced machine ever to enter service and saying T90M is a upgraded T72 is like saying that M1A2 Abrams sep V3 is just upgraded M60 makes no sense to compare them

[@nuklear7074]

@@flareamv5503 The T90 is an upgraded T72 nothing more or less. The A version was a T72 with the firecontrol system of the T80. It may be heavily upgraded and modernized but its still basically the same hull.Also in which way is the T90 the most adanced tank " ever"? Poor reverse, a nearly unprotected autoloader and the complete lack of neutral steering are just a few faults of the T72 series. Sure it may be cheap and does its job but its by no means the most advanced tank. And why would you even compare a M60 to a M1?

[@nuklear7074]

@adjustmentAttitude More like comparing the Tiger 1 to the Leopard 1.