Unboxing Daytona 3 Ton Stands with Circular Pads (58789) from Harbor Freight

[@luny_mrg8868]

Went to the store to look for the 6ton Daytona since I didn’t like the 3ton not having that extra plate welded at the bottom and was out of stock. Found this new style instock and decided to grab them. A little pricey at $99 but with 25% off I think I might pick up another pair when they go back on sale since i grab the last one.

[@a.c.e.7568]

I just picked up a set. Excellent quality: the welds are very nice and I assume have good penetration, the pin is a nice tight fit with no slop, the powder coating ? is very good. The rubber pad came off when I lifted the jack stand because they used a type of hard epoxy to hold it on. No big deal, the glue peeled off and the pad sits nicely on top of the metal pad.

[@themessygarage]

I'm not a welder, but it seems like that kind of tidiness in a weld makes it more-likely it's a successful one.

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

I have been researching these Daytona ESCO knock off jack stands and it appears they are rated for 3 tons (6000 pounds) as a pair that means they are really only 1.5 tons each for a total of 3 tons combined. The ESCO jack stands are rated 3 tons for each jack stand by itself. This is likely because Harbor Freight's Daytona knock off is made with softer steel.

[@themessygarage]

I don't generally like to speculate on things like metallurgy since I don't have the data. It's an odd thing that Esco seems to bounce between rating per pair and rating per stand, but as I said in my response to your other comment there's no scenario where I'd trust the 10498 stands with anything close to 6 tons. An F-250 truck approaches 4 tons and an F-350 can be over 4 tons, and there's *zero* chance I'd use an Esco pair for putting even just one end in the air for either one. That's doubly true at the upper end of the height range.. That's not a dig against Esco - I'm happy with my set overall, but 3 tons a pair is all I'm asking of any of my jack stands. If I had something requiring 4 tons like the heavy-duty pickups, I'm going to the 22 ton design or something similar.

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

@@themessygarage All jack stands should be used in pairs for safety, the difference is the ESCO jack stands are individually rated at 3 tons per jack stand, If you read the instructions all jack stands will also say to only have one end of the vehicle on jacks stands at a time. Now if you are only removing one tire you can use a single jack stand and that is where the ESCO shine, they are a true 3 ton jack stand, were as the Harbor Freight knock off copy is rated 3 tons for the pair making them 1.5 tons each.

[@themessygarage]

FWIW - when you look in the product manual on the Esco website (esco.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/10497_10498_10498_Instructions-01.06.2022.pdf) it states 3 Tons for the pair. If you look at their other stands, they all appear to be rated in pairs. I'm not sure what to attribute that to, but I'm guessing the correct rating for the Esco and Daytona stands is 3 tons for the pair.

[@NDEEZMiata]

Decided to drop the extra $$ on the Esco shorties as Esco carries the reputation. That and a jack as secondary failpoint are the only things between me and a few thousand pounds of death. Brand name/price doesn't always equal better, but it seems like the Escos are the gold standard outside of US Jacks which are considerably more and way overkill for my little Miata lol. About a $100 difference between the HF and the Esco shorties for a set of 4... I would love to save the money, especially if the quality is equal. Any updated thoughts on the two?

[@themessygarage]

I need to do a follow-up for sure. The answer is I'm 100% confident in the Daytona set. Honestly, they're much more cleanly-made and overall fit-and-finish is better.

[@NDEEZMiata]

@@themessygaragegiven they are almost half the price, that’s impressive.

[@Jynx0406]

I am trying to buy esco shorty jack stands and the quality is horrible. Bad welds, pin not fitting through holes. I hope harbor freight makes a shorty version. They are better quality.

[@themessygarage]

@@Jynx0406 My guess is you'll be pleased with the similar-design Daytona stands. Have used them a fair bit since filming that vid, and they've been flawless.

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

I don't know if you bought these yet or not but apparently the Harbor Freight knock off is rated 3 tons per pair which means each jack stand is only rated for 1.5 tons each, the ESCO is rated at 3 tons for each jack stand not as a pair. That tells me Harbor freights knock off is likely made with soft steel.

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

So I take it you never did a comparison video of the ESCO jack stands vs the Harbor Freight knock off jack stands. Are the Harbor Freight knock offs rated per pair for 3 tons (6000 pounds) or are they 3 tons (6000 pounds) each like the ESCO jack stands that are rated 3 tons (6000 pounds) each and not as a pair.

[@themessygarage]

I haven't - I'll try to get back it. When the Daytona stands came out, there was a lot of discussion on the topic of load rating. As it sits, it does appear that HF is claiming a 3 ton capacity for the pair (which is how stands are typically rated) and Esco is claiming 3 tons for an individual stand. Here's my take on that: I would not trust EITHER set for more than 3 tons. I don't know how the rating system works - I don't think I've seen another company offer a "per-stand" rating, and I don't know if that means Esco is claiming 6 tons for the pair (in other words, I'm not sure the ratings are additive like that or if it's the lowest capacity of either individual stand). But however that works, I would NOT trust 12,000 pounds to this design and build (from anyone). That's a huge amount of weight, and if I needed it I'd go to something along the lines of the 22 ton Esco (which seems to be the rating for the pair, not each stand) or its Daytona knockoff. The good news is I have nothing in my garage that approaches 3 tons/6K lb., so I'm well within a zone of safety in terms of the weight rating for both sets. I can't imaging dropping 12K* pounds on the Escos and feeling comfortable with that. Since this video I've used both sets a fair bit, and both have been flawless.

[@LakeLake123]

Do you think they’re likely made in the same factory as the Escos? Comparing photos online they appear to be essentially identical, other than the finish and the pin’s leash/chain.

[@themessygarage]

Hard to say, but there are a few small differences beyond paint (post design, pad is attached for the Daytonas, etc).

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

No they are not made in the same factory as ESCO jack stands, first the Harbor Freight knock offs are rated for 3 tons as a pair, the ESCO's are rated 3 tone per each jack stand, the ESCO are stronger, the Harbor Fright knock offs are likely made from softer steel.

[@guysteel]

They should have drilled the second hole on the body 90 degrees to the first hole so not to have both holes "stacked" on top of each other. Seems like it would be stronger not having a hole above a hole.

[@themessygarage]

I'm not an engineer, so I can't really speak to the design overall. It's the same as pretty much all the post-style stands I've seen (Esco, etc.)

[@sethmoking]

Just got a set of the ESCO's. How do I insert the rubber pad fully? Pad doesn't want to go in all of the way and there's no instruction. Maybe just set the car frame on it and it will force it in. Would like to get them inserted before that, though.

[@themessygarage]

I'd put the weight on it and see how it goes. It shouldn't hurt the pad.

[@muggz1015]

I missed it if you did mention it but, how much are they? I could swear when I first saw the price a few weeks ago online they were $79.99 and there's a 15% ITC sale going on right now but they are up to $99.99 now.

[@themessygarage]

I saw that they were $99 the other day and was surprised. They were $89.99 when they launched.

[@dummkompf]

wheres the comparison video

[@themessygarage]

Sorry - life has gotten in the way a bit! A death in the family, the holidays and having to 'move out' of my garage for new doors has things a bit in a jumble. I'll definitely get back to it!

[@unrulee4848]

How tall are they fully extended?

[@themessygarage]

HF/Daytona claims 21-13/16", and I measured them unweighted to 21 15/16". My methodology there might be the difference, or when weighted the saddle compresses/etc. I put one of my Esco stands next to it at full height, and the Dayton is very slightly taller. (Esco claims 21.5", and measured unweighted closer to 21.75.). I would say that both stands felt a bit "sloppy" at max height. I'm sure they're fine, but I'm very twitchy about stands. At slightly below 20" they both felt rock-solid.

[@justride5463]

Just bought these, thanks for the video review. Has anyone tried removing / replacing the rubber pads, and have a source on a good fit?

[@themessygarage]

I haven't seen anything, but they're firmly attached. Having used them a fair bit since I got them they don't show any signs of coming off. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@felixvalenzuela6052]

Have you made the comparison video yet ? Do you see much difference ?

[@themessygarage]

I haven't done a video yet, but they work identically to the Escos. Honestly, I appreciate that the pads don't come off the posts!

[@angrygaragemechanic]

I have a set of Esco so next will be a set of these,and I'll be set 👍

[@c4sare4kiddos]

Wait u can have these shipped to u?

[@themessygarage]

At first they were an "In-Store Item Only" but I just checked and it does appear you can add them to a cart, so I assume that means they'll ship them. My Esco stands came in the mail, and the box was very, very beat up. I'd get them in-store if you have one close at all.

[@c4sare4kiddos]

@@themessygarage oh thanks I’ll def go to another harbor freights then before I try the shipping route. Appreciate it

[@c4sare4kiddos]

You said for vans these wouldn’t be safe?! These 3 ton or really 1.5 ton jack stand has 3000 lbs of support so 2 has 6000lbs of support and at any given time ur not putting load or distributing weight it would just be on a jack itself which would accommodate for the 1000lb difference (4000-3000 or 2 tons minus 1.5 tons) right?

[@themessygarage]

I really only meant full-size vans and trucks. I have put my wife's Odyssey on them and it was clearly fine.

[@c4sare4kiddos]

@@themessygarage so a 4200 lb camaro. Would be chilling right?

[@c4sare4kiddos]

@@themessygarage I plan to keep my 3 ton jack Daytona in place too, but say if I just relied on the jack stands then u think I’m fine right?

[@c4sare4kiddos]

@@themessygarage I really don’t wasn’t to buy escos bc they’re so expensive compared to the Daytona

[@themessygarage]

@@c4sare4kiddos I think the best way to say it is that my wife's Odyssey weighs about the same as the Camero, and I've been comfortable with that. Keeping the jack in place and tucking the wheels under the car are also things I always do.

[@EchoMeToo]

Thank you!

[@themessygarage]

Thanks for stopping by :)

[@clydecox327]

Can't do Harbor freight 90 warranties.

[@themessygarage]

Then add the longer warranty. Their logic is that if something is wrong from the factory it will show up quickly, and they can save money by only covering that by default. If you want longer, their warranty isn't crazy money.

[@VincentNguyens]

how tall are these compared to the escos shorties?

[@themessygarage]

Almost identical (sorry for the long-delayed reply!)

[@VincentNguyens]

@@themessygarage all good already got a set! Thanks