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The Achilles Heel Of The Classic Era Mopar - The Dreaded Lower Control Arm Bushing

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Жыл бұрын

The torsion bar front suspension was one of the key engineering features that distinguished Chrysler Corp cars from their Ford, GM and AMC competitors during the 1960s and 70s.
But, as tough and effective and versatile as the Torsion Air suspension was, it has a design shortcoming that has cursed all aging Mopar A, B, C, D, E, FMJ bodies with unpredictable handling and difficult, unorthodox repairs.
This is the story of the Lower Control Arm Bushing. Why it exists, how it works, what makes it suck, and what you need to know before you rip in to repair or replace yours.
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@philliphill4901
@philliphill4901 Жыл бұрын
I did a complete tear down on my 73 Challenger and used the PST poly bushing kit with the grease pivot pins. Made a world of difference
@petergrey7125
@petergrey7125 2 ай бұрын
Good to know 👍
@IndirectConnection1
@IndirectConnection1 Жыл бұрын
That's the first thing I replaced on my 66 Satellite. I went with Mancini Racing greasable pivots and bushings. Time will tell how well they hold up.
@ex-engineer6657
@ex-engineer6657 Жыл бұрын
It's been a few years, but I used something similar on my "67 and 75 darts. The zerks are well cared for.
@MoparDen
@MoparDen Жыл бұрын
Mancini Racing has some nice solutions for our Mopars including suspension items as you mentioned. Alot of Mancini parts when into my '66 Plymouth restoration.
@stevea6722
@stevea6722 2 ай бұрын
Firm Feel Inc. has upgraded parts as well, as used by Rick Ehrenberg (Ebooger) of Mopar Action mag.
@BrandonLeeBrown
@BrandonLeeBrown Жыл бұрын
I raced stock body Mopars on circle track for 25 years and they held up well. I even used Mopar racing torsion bars. I can't say it's a bad design.
@regdor8187
@regdor8187 Жыл бұрын
Ditto...
@PiDsPagePrototypes
@PiDsPagePrototypes Жыл бұрын
Being able to use two spanners at once to set the camber and caster sure would help getting it to turn-left-only real nice. Take a leaf out of the left rear and putting it in the right sure wouldn't hurt either.
@regdor8187
@regdor8187 Жыл бұрын
@@PiDsPagePrototypes : Best rear end add on is the anti twist bar that the 60's Imperial has from a vertical tab just right of the pumpkin , with a heim jointed bar, to another tab on a bar spanning the frame at the seat back...
@regriemer2351
@regriemer2351 5 ай бұрын
Agreed, we did to, we have had about 30 Mopars in the family since 1967, never had a problem with replacing them, super easy to change it out should you need to do it a red assed monkey could do it in no time at all. 😃In fact I have a 1967 Chrysler Imperial Crown and tomorrow I'm doing the lowers on that car that’s been in the family since day 1. First time we have needed to change them, so I would say if they lasted 57 years that’s not bad of a design actually. The problem with this car is that the lower bushings are UNOBTAINIUM to get impossible , Rare Parts does not do them anymore , finally I found a set of compete control arms at AMS Obsolete Salvage in Georgia but Craig Stanley from West Hempstead, NY had just the bushings on the shelf, life saver 120 Bucks for the pair. They are a huge bushing only used from 1967 - 1973 in Imperial period. I will take photos of the process tomorrow and if any of you want to see let me know PM and I will send them to you. Reg
@danielstickney2400
@danielstickney2400 Жыл бұрын
An old tractor mechanic I worked with many years ago showed me you could shrink a bushing or a bearing race by welding inside it with a stick welder.
@TAVOAu
@TAVOAu Жыл бұрын
I actually don't mind doing these on Oz Valiant, one of those jobs people despise, but I'm cool with them. The "Special tool" we use, is a 1-3/8" tap. Screw it into the outer shell, then press out the tap. Welding a washer in, is another accepted practice too. One point to remember, is to only tighten the main nut fully, after the car is at ride height and settled. Hope it all goes smoothly Tony.
@grantlee2975
@grantlee2975 Жыл бұрын
Good point about tighten bushes at ride height otherwise they will chew out quick, same for all the other bushes on suspension’s
@PiDsPagePrototypes
@PiDsPagePrototypes Жыл бұрын
Don't forget to lube the bushes - they're meant to rotate on the shaft, but stop sideways or vertical deflection of the arm on the pin. If they're not lubed and not sliding round the pin, they bind and tear apart. Urethane bushings on a VC Valiant with the right alignment settings, turn them from a understeering cow into a neutral to power oversteer dream, mountain roads go from being risky to wicked fun, picking on ricers and euro sports in the corners. :D
@pauljcampbell2997
@pauljcampbell2997 11 ай бұрын
@@PiDsPagePrototypes Love the VC Valiant's. Great car
@704406bbl
@704406bbl Жыл бұрын
Tony, I went through that the first time on my 1969 Roadrunner. What a treat! I used a thick washer welded to the metal outer piece and pressed it out. I have 3 more Mopar's getting the rebuild. Go over to Harbor Freight, or Northern tool and get yourself a 20-ton press. I know you are a way more experienced mechanic than I am, but it'll save you some aggravation. I believe I will try the newer style ones on my 70 Road runner. All the best from N.C!
@corey6393
@corey6393 Жыл бұрын
I think the most surprising thing to hear this time is that Tony doesn't have a press. I have one, and I do one half of one percent of the stuff he does. And mine gets used on occasion.
@Dr.Jekyll
@Dr.Jekyll Жыл бұрын
Right? A Harbor Freight press isn’t that much money and is plenty strong enough for bushings.
@luke8210
@luke8210 Жыл бұрын
Press? I use a bottle jack and the bumper of my truck as well as a block. I work on tractors all the time. Always works for me and its mobile. Cheers.
@Dr.Jekyll
@Dr.Jekyll Жыл бұрын
@@luke8210 that is a press.
@wayne5607
@wayne5607 Жыл бұрын
Tony I just pulled my set out of the mailbox for my 67 GTX about ten minutes before you put this video up! What are the odds???? Carry on I'm watching! LMAO!
@bw3506
@bw3506 Жыл бұрын
I'm running the urethane bushing kit on my Dart including leaf spring bushings. Seems like it works pretty good. Ride is more harsh but handling is better.
@junkorbust9498
@junkorbust9498 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for shedding light on this and showing how the torsion bar is attached. I have a couple of C-bodies from the era and I’m as yet not overly familiar with Mopars from this era.
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 Жыл бұрын
Better than disassembling the entire car to replace a timing chain.
@mtpocketswoodenickle2637
@mtpocketswoodenickle2637 Жыл бұрын
Or half a car for an alternator, or @zz end removal for burnt bulbs.
@ianhale4466
@ianhale4466 Жыл бұрын
Had to take the entire front suspension out for the control arm. The control arm won't fall out till you take out the hub and loosen the 3 disc dust plate bolts, id loose to try the cocaine they had, it must have been something
@HILLBILLY_HARD
@HILLBILLY_HARD Жыл бұрын
The air chisel actually works nice to remove them old bushing steels. Also the inner ones come off pretty easy if you heat them with a torch and use an air chisel to push them off the shaft.
@Broken_Yugo
@Broken_Yugo Жыл бұрын
Came here to say that. Aso it is somewhat critical that the nut be tightened at ride height. The rubber isn't supposed to slip at all, all the movement is supposed to be in the rubber.
@bbb462cid
@bbb462cid Жыл бұрын
I recall being 25, laying under a car in my driveway, staring at a rear control arm bushing and wondering how I was going to get it out without making the car fall on me.
@HILLBILLY_HARD
@HILLBILLY_HARD Жыл бұрын
@@bbb462cid yeah I was a technician for 20 plus years and worked in a shop. Lifts make things easier
@bbb462cid
@bbb462cid Жыл бұрын
@@HILLBILLY_HARD Thank God I have two buddies with lifts, one abut 6 miles away, today. I ended up using an old steering shaft as a drift, pounding it with a sledgehammer, while I was safely next to the car. Took for-evvver.
@donaldhalls2189
@donaldhalls2189 Жыл бұрын
I can see where that welding a washer onto the bush to remove them could be used in other situations, thanks for sharing, all the best to yous and your loved ones
@roelb3596
@roelb3596 Ай бұрын
Being a dentist way back I took the lower control arm's of my Roadrunner to the surgery. Lunchtime I used the turbine drill to cut a groove into the metal housing and got it out fairly easy. Now I'm retired and my '66 Fury needs it's bushings replaced🙈. Just hate even the thought of doing it. Thanks for the great videos Tony👌
@yurimodin7333
@yurimodin7333 Жыл бұрын
I was watching Roadkill Garage and Dulcich had a special tool he made for this......worked pretty slick.
@grantfuller2016
@grantfuller2016 8 ай бұрын
I deal with similar bushings quite a bit , I usually run a die grinder down the outer shell ( just enough to weaken it ) then use a sharp chisel next to the cut to collapse it . Care is needed, but it works good
@jonoskowski5545
@jonoskowski5545 Жыл бұрын
I bought and installed a poly-graphite kit from PSC in my old ‘68 Dodge Coronet in 1990. The outer shell of the lower control arm bushing stayed in the lower control arm. The car was from SoCal and I was lucky because there was no corrosion on the car. The suspension cleaned up with degreaser. That same suspension set up is still on the car today, and I have put over 20,000 miles on it with no issues.
@czechappy
@czechappy Жыл бұрын
I know back then you didn't see very many 440 & 426 hemi Charger, Most of them was 383 & 318. I love your Charger
@michaellombard894
@michaellombard894 2 ай бұрын
Tony you are equal parts artist, engineer, mechanic, craftsman, economist and thespian! All rolled into one person! Great job, I'll be watching your great vids for a long time. Thank you.
@larryfriend2584
@larryfriend2584 Жыл бұрын
They are not that bad Tony. I have done them a bunch of times. But to my advantage, I had at my disposal a press and a lathe and a drill press. I usually turned both sides around in 3 hours, wheels off to wheels on.
@genehart261
@genehart261 Жыл бұрын
GM really did win this round with the massive lower "A" frame instead of the strut rod.
@rpmunlimited397
@rpmunlimited397 Жыл бұрын
Late 70s running A body cars with B body front clips on oval tracks we would torch the rubber out of the bushings and machine a UHMW plastic bushing and reassemble. Self-lubricating. zero looseness, never had a problem after that.
@stevea6722
@stevea6722 2 ай бұрын
Delrin bushings
@diegomunoz6256
@diegomunoz6256 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Uncle Tony for all the content.
@tcullen5895
@tcullen5895 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip on welding washer into the bushing. Would have saved a lot of chiseling
@MrTheHillfolk
@MrTheHillfolk Жыл бұрын
I remember a dude in school went over a speed bump coming into the lot, and the right side didnt come back up. Blame rust,it ripped the arm and torsion bar out of the body.
@pauberrymon5892
@pauberrymon5892 Жыл бұрын
Ooohh I hate it when that happens 🥴, it will definately put a quick end to an otherwise good day.
@curtislowe4577
@curtislowe4577 Жыл бұрын
🤪 I hit a speedbump in my high school parking lot entrance in my mom's '68 New Yorker early enough one morning it was still dark. The sorry #%**$&@
@williamrogers.
@williamrogers. Жыл бұрын
Steve Dulcich has a trick to rebuild these. There is a video out there where he does it. Weld a washer to the bushing and use a hammer to knock it out with a big bolt.
@Tech-ez1qj
@Tech-ez1qj Жыл бұрын
You are over thinking it. I pop those out with an air chisele in seconds.
@HILLBILLY_HARD
@HILLBILLY_HARD Жыл бұрын
I did one on a dart a while back and it wasn’t too bad. It wasn’t too good either but it wasn’t the worst thing I ever did at work. The bushings were completely gone and I replaced the worst side for my sales guys personal car. I just remember having to take a lot of stuff off and put a lot back but overall wasn’t terrible job… my snap on air hammer and a torch was very helpful with this job.
@matthewklein9225
@matthewklein9225 Жыл бұрын
Those snap on air chisels are lifesavers. I don't remember this being a bad job either.
@craigcontofalsky4387
@craigcontofalsky4387 Жыл бұрын
My brother had a 1970 Dart Swinger 340 back in 1973. He hit a pothole and the anchor bolt snapped off flush at the shoulder where it met the rubber bushing. His car was suddenly very hard to steer. We stopped and looked underneath the car and couldn't see anything initially. I had him go inside and move the steering. Spotted it right away. We limped home and bought a new control arm assembly. Probably if we knew better we could have bought the new anchor stud and pressed it in. That was the only trouble we ever had on probably a dozen Mopars back in the 70s. Drag cars and street cars. I personally like the design. We didn't own many high mileage ones though? Great video as usual!
@paulcox2009
@paulcox2009 Жыл бұрын
I definitely want to see a video of those non press fit bushings!
@alexlandsberger1423
@alexlandsberger1423 Жыл бұрын
There super easy, You just tap the pin into them with a hammer, grease them with provided grease and push it into the old shell
@0Sirk0
@0Sirk0 Жыл бұрын
As uncle Tony said, "It's knowledge you don't want to know."
@Torquemonster440
@Torquemonster440 Жыл бұрын
​​@@alexlandsberger1423 yep, .. just watch out for that grease !! It's like pine tar. Should stay put tho. ?🤷‍♂️
@allanmcelroy9840
@allanmcelroy9840 Жыл бұрын
@@Torquemonster440 i use ams oil synthetic grease as much as possible
@alexlandsberger1423
@alexlandsberger1423 Жыл бұрын
@@Torquemonster440 I think it's actually worse than pine tar it's like a chemical resistant silicone grease. I does stay tho, Ive done two sets of poly bushings and the grease stayed for 4 years before selling them
@robertbostelaar4615
@robertbostelaar4615 Жыл бұрын
Used the Prothane bushings many times easy to install.
@ramrunnergarage5941
@ramrunnergarage5941 Жыл бұрын
I did not finish your video before commenting, but that poly bushing is what I used, worked great. Don't expect much resistance when installing the pivot pin.
@jaystrock613
@jaystrock613 Жыл бұрын
Uncle Tony, I love my 2003 Toyota Matrix. It has almost 200k miles on it. It runs like a champ, burns a little oil, handles great on the twisty mountain roads I live near. It is a four door hatch back. 30 miles per gallon. That little 4 cyl. 1.8 liter engine with auto trans. is very zippy and fun. I am not trying to impress anybody or race any body. I was a hot rodder back in the 1970's.
@jamessouthworth1699
@jamessouthworth1699 Жыл бұрын
I thought you were going to say the Achilles heel was the upper ball joints...at least on the A bodies. It seemed like they didn't last as long as they should. I loved almost everything else about the cars though and I didn't even mind changing the other front end components when they eventually wore out. The only other complaints I had about Mopars was all the electrical power being fed through the bulkhead to the amp meter and those pesky wiper pivot seals leaking. Man I always wished I could rebuild a transmission myself and rebuild the bottom end/short block of an engine myself. I was fine with the top-end but I never did Master the bottom end. Keep up the great videos Tony.
@benjamincresswell3713
@benjamincresswell3713 Жыл бұрын
Man oh man you're right about sending all those amps thru the firewall bulkhead block into the dash. I knew 2 guys who had Hemi cars that they got out of storage and started up to let them warm up. Both went in the house and came back out to a marshmallow roast. I always thought there was fusible link protection for the whole car. One guy didn't know why his car burnt, the other guy said it was rodents chewing the wires. He figured under the dash. ben/ michigan
@richjordan9375
@richjordan9375 Жыл бұрын
Many many years ago I talked with Global West Suspension about bushings for Mopar control arms; they produce the Del-Alum bushings for other makes; they said it could not be done properly for the lowers because of the strut rods. The control arm can't move up and down on its pivot in a perfect single plane because the strut rod makes it move slightly forward and back during travel, and the 'give' in the rubber bushing was needed to prevent binding (or bending) of suspension components. Urethane has a little bit of give (Global West's delrin bushings did not). I've never tried urethane but I do remember spending many hours trying to replace the stock bushings (with new stock bushings) back then.
@Hipsters_N_Hippies
@Hipsters_N_Hippies Жыл бұрын
That’s one of the first things you should replace Besides the brakes. And also all ball joints. Including the tie rods. Steer and stop should be at 100% then figure out powertrain/electrical after the foundation is set.
@bryanaisenbrey7188
@bryanaisenbrey7188 Жыл бұрын
I had my Coronet front suspension rebuilt with poly-graphite bushings. It was a huge improvement, but squeaked all the time afterwards.
@SavingChevys73
@SavingChevys73 Жыл бұрын
I re-bushed and rebuilt the front end of my 73 nova with sledge hammer on a tree stump. Took two days and a huge amount of determination. I was 19 or so. I still have the car.
@Green69Fish
@Green69Fish 7 ай бұрын
Going into the cold winter months here, so my 69 Barracuda is getting a complete front end overhaul. Always good to read and hear others experiences, saves a guy some grief for sure. Luckily i have a press at work. My kid brother got me watching your channel Tony.... good stuff!!!
@FrankF-vp4pt
@FrankF-vp4pt Жыл бұрын
That B body float has a big part to do with this from what I'm understanding, or any era mopar with this setup. Thanks UT!
@8632tony
@8632tony Жыл бұрын
I worked at K-Mart Automotive in 1974. Almost all the work I did was front end work and brake jobs. Mopars were my bread and butter with the front end stuff. Nearly new Dusters, Satellites, Chargers and Road Runners would come in and I could make money betting the front end was worn out already. Lower ball joints seemed to be the biggest offenders, but control arm bushings and idler arms were right up there in the frequency of needing replacement. I'd put it on the rack and invite the customer to accompany me while I inspected the suspension because I knew I was going to sell them some front end parts. I jiggled the idler arm of a road runner once and the thing literally fell apart in my hand. It was a wonder there hadn't been a tragedly already. As impressive as Mopars were in most ways, I was least impressed with the quality of the front ends they designed.
@regdor8187
@regdor8187 Жыл бұрын
Hardly believable, had MOPAR's all my adult life (over 60 years) usually over 200K miles each, never had one fail, usually replace the joints around 125-150K miles....
@ex-engineer6657
@ex-engineer6657 Жыл бұрын
Rebuilding my 67, then 75, darts, I welded steel plates to the bottom of each arm to stiffen them for better handling with a hole drilled to access the torsion bar adjustment bolt. Pivot bolts with zerk joints and poly bushings throughout, lots of grease. I won't say they tracked like Ferraris, but they were better than new. I drove some new darts over the years, so I knew. Thanks Tony and family.
@yehornaumov5893
@yehornaumov5893 Жыл бұрын
Suspension is hard dirty job on most cars Old or New the same.
@chabby8391
@chabby8391 4 ай бұрын
I just tore down and redid the entire front end on my 86 Chrysler fifth Ave…took me 2 weeks… hammered out the damn bushing with a chisel as the manual said. Never had more regrets
@fratzogmopars
@fratzogmopars Жыл бұрын
64 Dodge shop manual recommends using a 1-3/8 inch tap, inserting it half the depth of the bushing. Then use a hand press and a blunt drift to force the bushing out. I thankfully haven’t had to replace mine yet.
@bluemule3891
@bluemule3891 Жыл бұрын
Hi T, with all of the deepest respect. All control arm bushing are locked in place, and the arms rotate around the rubber bushing and not the bolt. The rubber bushing flexes rotationally and keeps pressure on the inner sleeve to maintain its position. This is why you have to "load" the control arm with the vehicle weight, and the spring/T Bar in place, if you don't and tighten the control arm you will over torque the rubber in the bushing when you have the vehicle sprung, leading to premature failure, or the vehicle will have the "Carolina Squat". Also you are right, one bushing was never enough for a heavy car like this, Ford trucks use two bushings. Anyway not trolling, just adding knowledge at no extra cost 😉 Blue Mule N.C.
@sjake01inKS
@sjake01inKS Жыл бұрын
This video is very timely. Getting ready to go through the front suspension on my 67 barracuda. Thank you UT
@ClaremontClassicGarage
@ClaremontClassicGarage Жыл бұрын
Nightmares of my youth doing them with no press. But on these rusty northern cars usually by the time you actually got the torsion bar and the arm out the actual bushing was the least of your worries.
@HalJalikakik
@HalJalikakik Жыл бұрын
Brother, I am sooooo with you on this. My '74 Challenger needed new bushings and I got a lesson in this awful project. I grabbed one torsion bar (passenger side) with my hand, gave it a twist, and boom... it came out. Drivers side torsion bar... whole other animal. I hammered it, heated it, bought an item from Mancini and destroyed it... I even attached a 2-ton come-along and wouldn't release. I FINALLY found a really short KZbin video from a guy that put an electric (or maybe air) hammer on the back side and popped free. So, I went to a local equipment rental place and told 'em what I wanted to do... they rolled their eyes. It literally gave up after 2-3 seconds.... WOW! Getting the bushings out was also a #$@! Basically, had to weld a washer to the old ones and systematically destroy them with a vice. For the install I went to O'Reilly's and borrowed a tool that worked really slick. All of this stuff was new to me as I never really tackled anything like this in my life. I hope to NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER replace lower control arm bushings again!!!
@dtiger8317
@dtiger8317 Жыл бұрын
That is the exact reason I went with Chevy's all those years ago That torsion bar set up is freaking crazy A pain in the ass oh and did I mention crazy.
@Dr.Jekyll
@Dr.Jekyll Жыл бұрын
He didn’t complain at all about the torsion bars. You think it’s crazy because you’re unfamiliar with it. Moreover, you avoided a whole brand of car because if you’re unfamiliarity with a well-designed system? That says a lot.
@benjamincresswell3713
@benjamincresswell3713 Жыл бұрын
After 20yrs cutting mufflers off, skinning the muffler pipes, and saving the exh and tail pipes, I made my first attempt on the LC bushing. Piece of cake. I just skinned it. Just like an 8N cylinder liner, then hit it with an air chisel. Then I used a ball joint press to put it back in. You need a few resources like sockets and short pieces of muffler pipe, but it's easy. Get everything ready then heated it up. Not enough to burn the rubber, but enough to make everything smoke pretty good. I had water ready to cool it after. Then press it in and douse everything. No heat on the pin. ben/ michigan
@Anthony-nw5zv
@Anthony-nw5zv Жыл бұрын
I had a 71 New Yorker and the the first time I put my foot in the carburetor and just as Uncle Tony said that front end came up and went 3 lanes to the left! That was scary 😳. 😆
@woodendoorgarage
@woodendoorgarage Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip with the washer. I plan to rebuild whole suspension on my 67 Charger this summer so you likely saved my a lot of grief. 🙃
@JestersGarage
@JestersGarage Жыл бұрын
This is exactly the reason why I sold my '74 Scamp. I kept having issues with the front end wandering all over the place and I had no idea what to do to fix it. I replaced every bushing on the front end but couldn't get it figured out. I believe the K member was wollered out. I ended up selling the car and getting back into Mustangs. So my dive into Mopars was short lived. That lil 318 ran great though. I eventually saw the car a few times on the highway and was excited to see that it was still alive.
@onusgumboot5565
@onusgumboot5565 Жыл бұрын
I've owned a lot of old Mopars over the years. I used to get them for next to nothing, because the handling was what you describe here. I called it the "Show me a rut and I'll follow it anywhere" handling. The problem was always the upper control arm bushings though, never the lower. I currently have a '73 Dart Swinger. It had the same issue when I got it. New upper control arm bushings, and it drives great.
@davestarkey7519
@davestarkey7519 Жыл бұрын
Wow! That video spoke volumes. You explained things I had always wondered about. Thank -you.
@MikeBrown-ii3pt
@MikeBrown-ii3pt Жыл бұрын
*Sarcasm alert* Living in the rust belt, my favorite part of any project is working underneath it, especially suspension work! There's nothing like rust and dirt in your eyes, hair and mouth! Seriously Uncle Tony, a 20 ton H-frame press from that tool store that the Snap On boys love to hate is only about $250 and the 12 ton is even less. I bought my 20 ton years ago and it's been a godsend!
@curbmassa
@curbmassa Жыл бұрын
Every expensive tool I ever bought I ended up using it way more often than I ever anticipated.
@Fleetwoodjohn
@Fleetwoodjohn Жыл бұрын
It probably helps to leave the pin to k member nut loose until it’s back on the ground resting to eliminate some of the deflection in the bushing.
@tongoio
@tongoio Жыл бұрын
That makes good sense to me. Thanks for that tip!
@Doc_Fischer
@Doc_Fischer Жыл бұрын
If you go with the polygraphite bushing you just remove the rubber that’s all jacked up and leave the bushing sleeve in place . Grease up the poly bushing and slide it in . I picked up the set from Rockauto with the oversized (bushing side) pivot pin and the best thing of all is it’s greasable . ProForged 12010003 I use a ball joint press to push the old units out .
@kart70
@kart70 Жыл бұрын
I look forward to the assembly video.
@Slushdawg
@Slushdawg Жыл бұрын
These are a piece of cake. You don't need a welder. I thread an 1-3/8" tap into the outer shell, and press it out. Works every single time. I've been doing it that way since the early 80's and it's literally painless.
@4speed3pedals
@4speed3pedals Жыл бұрын
Uncle Tony, have you ever used an air chisel to remove control arm bushings? Basically, you aim the chisle between the inner parting surface of the bushing flange and the lower control arm so the chisel acts as a wedge between both. It may need to be held at a slight angle towards the control arm to get it started (all around) but be aware that too much angle will cause the chisel to dig into the arm. Once you work around the bushing, angle the chisel to push the bushing away from the control arm. Personally I have never done a Mopar bushing but I know it works well on typical stamped steel control arms and I realize there is less contact surface between the 2 parts.. Once removed, coat the control arm with a thin coating of Never-Seez so in the future it will not rust in place. I had contacted the manufacturer and they recommend it's use for press fits where corrosion can be an issue such as tie rod ends, suspension bushings, ball joint studs. It does not cause problems or a part to become loose. An air chisel is worth trying. For the ones I did, the inners were held in place by the bushings. It moved them surprising fast. I agree with the manual.
@LongIslandMopars
@LongIslandMopars Жыл бұрын
I learned so much again. Thanks Uncle Tony. Now I got to look at mine in my dad's 66 Coronet.
@chilee6994
@chilee6994 Жыл бұрын
Thanks,, for this old school information.. and tutorial
@Mr81smc
@Mr81smc Жыл бұрын
My first car was a 1968 Barracuda, didn't run, 104,000 miles. My Dad worked all the time. He bought whatever manual I needed. I worked in a Harley Davidson dealership and we would weld a bead about an inch long on two sides of the inner races in the steering neck. That shrank it just enough to get it out when much trouble.
@bbb462cid
@bbb462cid Жыл бұрын
I am a GM guy to the bone. But I dig Mopars. Not all of them are pretty, but they are all cool looking. I wish there was a vintage GM channel like UTG.
@Anthony12valve440RB
@Anthony12valve440RB Жыл бұрын
First. Nothing like pulling the hub , torsion bars, and strut rods just to replace a bushings. Love it lol
@HANDBALLDIEHARD
@HANDBALLDIEHARD Жыл бұрын
because you need a good press to install them ? Back in the day i just bought some polyurethane bushings , brought the lower control arms to my local auto parts place and they installed them for 20 dollars . not an issue at all . The Mopar front suspension was designed for stock car racing ! Tony thats a Cool trick to remove outer bushing collar if you have a welder , never saw totally gone rubber bushing , but i worked on them in the 80's to early 90's., my own cars that is .People may not like how this suspension takes bumps and pot holes , but i near the end of owning one found that front drag shocks made the ride amazing ! Adjustable Drag Shocks ! Yes on the street for bumpy roads ! no more bottoming out ! they fight the front end from collapsing and allow upward travel ! Its like stock shocks on this suspension system is designed to destroy it !
@anvilsvs
@anvilsvs Жыл бұрын
I've been doing these since 1970, probably done 15 of them on my stuff. Unpredictable handling? Difficult repairs? Huh? What planet is Tony on?
@davidvincent2051
@davidvincent2051 Жыл бұрын
I spent the first 16 years of my mechanical career doing suspension, both standard and high performance. Those were my biggest hate. Unfortunately word got around that I knew how to do them and I was doing them constantly.
@baileyhatfield4273
@baileyhatfield4273 Жыл бұрын
Spot on, if somebody has the arm out already....most shops would charge some stupid low fee to get them out and in, assume they come out good. Would save i'd guess HOURS of pain.
@brianb5779
@brianb5779 Жыл бұрын
Lookn forward to seeing those bushings
@JacksoNR26
@JacksoNR26 9 ай бұрын
I looked it up on the web and there are some good selections for greasable lower pivit shart bushing kits, so thats good news,
@jimrudolph1582
@jimrudolph1582 Жыл бұрын
It’s been a decade or three for my last mopar bushing experience and I know your pain. Usually when they were gone I’d be replacing a lot of other equally worn out parts and it offset any headaches I’d have with these. Just one of those wtf things that cause the high rates of divorce and alcoholism in the trade. I’d like to see those fancy ones mentioned. Mandala? Sound nice and precise.
@marks8052
@marks8052 Жыл бұрын
Always a lesson with UT, thx for that. Now you will have to do a bushing install, then spring install
@YODAMAN5
@YODAMAN5 Жыл бұрын
Awesome vid UT. ME to feel that way about the LCA Agggggggg. I replaced mine and installed new LCA bushings and pis that you can grease, so much better....MOPAR 4 EVER.
@midnightexpress1567
@midnightexpress1567 Жыл бұрын
All my Mopars suffered with vapor lock Big pain in the ass. Still loved em.
@allanmcelroy9840
@allanmcelroy9840 Жыл бұрын
Already played with these a few times on my own dakota: 1st was replacing whole front end...had to remove lower control arm with tortion bar attached, cut a slot on control arm then hit on ground with skedge hammer few times. That finally popped it out. Also, 2nd, i recently replaced upper ball joints. Driver side fine as i was able to cheat with jack only; on pass side i had to put jack stands under front end first. Removed caliper and considered attacking axle nut but could not find right size socket. So lossened tortion bar 10 turns and then put main pump floor jack under the brake rotor. That did it...finally
@pokebass1
@pokebass1 Жыл бұрын
I actually made a special tool just to use to install all of the pivot pin assembly. Being a machinist sure helped there.
@ianhale4466
@ianhale4466 Жыл бұрын
Aye you probably dont need this little tip but a ball joint clamp works well if you dont have a press, if you tack it to something waist high its almost a fun job. Also to anyone who may need to read this, the washer idea works if your a decent welder, if you just pucked one up from harbor freight, you either have to weld the washer to the inside, so if your weld breaks the burr still keeps the washer in place. If all else fails chisel the edges towards the inside and just lay slag upon slag till it fills up just DONT TOUCH THE EDGES with the welder
@shanew.williams
@shanew.williams Жыл бұрын
"It's a bad scene, a bad scene." lol... Love it.
@earlarthur9378
@earlarthur9378 16 күн бұрын
I feel you brother. On my 1966 Satellite in high school, I had to do these and after failure after failure, I had to finally pay somebody to do them. Then 15 years later, I had a 1974 Duster with shitty lower control arm bushings. Now this is still "pre-youtube" years and I bought a tool to do them and it still sucked more than Texas in the summer time. Now, 35 years after high school I have a 1965 Barracuda that had bad lower control arm bushings. I said in no uncertain terms, "screw that I'm not dealing with them" and replaced both the upper and lower control arms with QA1 arms LOL. Problem solved forever!!
@robs1852
@robs1852 Жыл бұрын
After that thorough explanation, I wouldn't mind seeing Uncle Tony remove the other side. Maybe add working on things at the end of the videos. Doesn't have to be a tutorial, but it'd be cool to see some of it. I think a good number of us would watch the entire thing
@tongoio
@tongoio Жыл бұрын
Yep. Replaced the bushes on my Australian Chrysler Valiant not long ago. I could not work out where the assembly pivoted. Couldn't believe the rubber bush flex is what Chrysler intend for such an important bearing. Anyway I got the outer bushes out by welding 4 longitudinal beads spaced around the inside.. they basically fell out with a tap from a drift. The inner bushes my trucker neighbor showed me to emboss longitudinal lines on them with a cold chisel and BF hammer which stretches them so they come off. Had to use a press to get new ones in though.. they are tight!
@CheezyDee
@CheezyDee Жыл бұрын
Now I'm kinda glad I only had bent bar Mopars. Many moons ago (1998ish) I changed the bushings in my 5th Ave with polyurethane and they came out pretty easy with a crappy holesaw and lots of water, similar to the job I did many years later on my Bronco. No press and no chisel, the only way it could be easier is if I had a oxy/acetylene torch to just burn out the rubber. Leave the outer sleeves in and squeeze everything together with a vice. What I didn't like is they don't give you enough grease, buy extra and use it liberally. After the job my old Chrysler drove like a new car but it squeaked like a million chew toys in a puppy mill. I think the biggest problem with the F/M/J suspensions is not the lower but the upper control arm bushings. When they wear out the camber gets wonky, and if you drive through ruts the front end is all over the place. Easy to replace, easier to just loosen the adjustments and pry out the uppers and re-tighten them, at least until you get the replacement bushings.
@jimpoticher5100
@jimpoticher5100 Жыл бұрын
My dad always told me that Mopars were like Klingons!😂 I still like the old Challengers and chargers I'm just used to working on my Chevys still like the channel great job!
@johngartner6710
@johngartner6710 Жыл бұрын
I use an 1 3/8" by 6 tap in the outer shell of the lower bushing. Run the tap in and press on the tap to get it out.
@albertgaspar627
@albertgaspar627 Жыл бұрын
I hope that front disc brake swap is the one Richard Ehrenberg suggested in Mopar Action magazine--he had a great article once on how the "other guys" spindle swap was poorly engineered.
@tracyanderson7337
@tracyanderson7337 Жыл бұрын
I had the weld on the mount on my 75 duster frame break loose and it sent me into the other lane when I went over a hill. So definitely check those welds and possibly beef it up.
@hull5768
@hull5768 Жыл бұрын
"overbuilt throw away cars." Never heard that excellent 👍!
@rodeleon2875
@rodeleon2875 Жыл бұрын
great explanation of how they work (or don't). seems like there would be a lot better solution like a bearing or something.
@strattuner
@strattuner Жыл бұрын
absolutely the first thing i do to my mopars is fix this number one problem with a mopar,the lower control arm bushings,it will never hold an alignment without them being dead on,i use urethane,i want just a little movement to offset the ripples in the road and don't want it transfering to the steering wheel,go uncle go
@joefrasson8997
@joefrasson8997 Жыл бұрын
Olds Toronado uses the torsion bar suspension on a full perimeter.frame. GM's first try at this set up and it drives like a dream and lasts.....
@billburkart9087
@billburkart9087 Жыл бұрын
FYI Uncle Tony. Dennis Collins from Collins Brothers Jeep has a big auction at the end of April with some nice Texas Mopars.
@VinnyMartello
@VinnyMartello Жыл бұрын
Interestingly enough, my 1972 International Harvester Travelall Station Wagon has torsion, bars that go to the upper control arm, BUT it uses identical control arm bushings to a vintage mopar.
@WhitentonMike
@WhitentonMike Жыл бұрын
Back in the early 80s we raced Mopar circle-track. We wouldn't even bother replacing the bushings. You could get a k-member with the entire front suspension from wrecking yards for $20. We'd just swap the entire lower control-arm rather than deal with those stupid bushings. Now we would go with the urethane bushings. Nobody made them back then. We considered making aluminum ones but never got around to it.
@peters8758
@peters8758 Жыл бұрын
Had at least 7 mid-60’s Mopars as daily drivers, but about 15 years after these were born I quit trying to house and feed them because rubber was ALL becoming pooched. Switched to Chevy Vega’s because they could be picked up cheap, bores steel sleeved, could take a 45DCOE Weber carb (with the right Offy manifold) and sometimes came with a T-10 5-speed. Then found out how easy to install a SBC mill…
@Grumpy-sy7wr
@Grumpy-sy7wr Жыл бұрын
While it's apart, don't skimp on changing, or at least checking the radius rod/brake reaction rod bushes too.
@MoparRob440
@MoparRob440 Жыл бұрын
Where are these?
@Dr.Jekyll
@Dr.Jekyll Жыл бұрын
Do you mean the strut rod bushings? I never heard of what you’re talking about.
@Grumpy-sy7wr
@Grumpy-sy7wr Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.Jekyll Yeah, that could be another name for them, different terminology around the world.
@MoparRob440
@MoparRob440 Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.Jekyll strut rod bushings I'm familiar with. Never heard them called anything else.
@Dr.Jekyll
@Dr.Jekyll Жыл бұрын
@@Grumpy-sy7wr I was thinking maybe that was it. Good to know what the other name is. Thanks for clarifying!
@paulpepi1047
@paulpepi1047 Жыл бұрын
I feel your pain , I recently did mine in my 65 valiant, had to get my local mopar guru to change mine , beat $100 I ever spent because it was even a prick of a job for Milton ( the guru ) to do .
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