When Good Projects Go Weird - Why We Stepped Away From Mission Impossible

[@alpha13dylan]

I was under the assumption that you built the 318 that went to nicks garage. Everyone was saying how much of a turd it was and i couldn't understand. Nick didnt even explain in the video this is something y'all slapped together in 14 hours. For onlyb14 hours worth of work i think it worked out fine. I dont like being misled, thank you for the explanation of all of this.

[@UncleTonysGarage]

Lots of people are under that assumption! Yes, it was a turd! But, I had zero control over the parts involved, and was only one member of a team of four doing the build. I myself spent 8 of those 14 hours just porting heads. Nick didn't explain a LOT of things in his presentation and rather than just go full send on the dyno as was originally agreed to, he aborted due to low oil pressure concerns and turned it into an entirely different thing. Yes, I caught a bunch of flack from everything that transpired, but those who watched the original live (including Nick) knew exactly what had gone down. That said, there's nothing I could have or would have done differently.

[@needmetal3221]

It's unfortunate that the whole 318 video basically showcased the lack of skills and knowledge of the rest of the team. Thank God there was no KZbin around when I was in my teens. I would have been trolled into oblivion. I did enjoy that day though. The KZbin experience for me is more than just the content. It's also the banter and camaraderie in the comments

[@Driver-o2g]

​@UncleTonysGarage so you couldn't have or wouldn't have maybe cleaned some things...that was out of your control and time too I guess😂 no excuse for all the dirt and metal in the motor sorry dude

[@UncleTonysGarage]

No one is making any excuses...I did what I could do. If you had watched the live, you would have seen me repeatedly telling the other parties to clean...clean clean clean. Throughout the day I was involved with other more involved tasks, and I did clean each of the parts I worked with as I went along, but had no control over what others were doing. At the end, we simply ran out of day and sent what we had assembled. If you had watched the live, you also would have seen me talking directly to 'Nick telling him how filthy everything was...I believe I was tightening down the intake manifold as I did that. Of course, that must have slipped Nick's mind when he made his video, because he seemed to surprised by it all....funny how that works. Once again, I wouldn't and couldn't do anything differently.

[@needmetal3221]

@@UncleTonysGarage one old new York hot rodder stuck with a few future KZbin stars lol. I lived around a few Italian street racers in the 70s. Arrogant fucks but worth listening to at the time. The grandmother of one would behead chickens in their front yard while we worked on his nova in the backyard. Again, thank God we weren't able to film our escapades. Lots of learning involved. Some kids need to learn to start at the bottom with ears open and mouths shut.

[@feeble1]

They knew they were hijacking the project into something different almost immediately. We were off the rails early on, when they were talking about re-grinding the stock cam, and it’s a long time ago so I don’t remember exactly, but I believe that David was talking about using non-stock connecting rods or pistons. Tony, *so many* of us want to see you build this 318 as per your original vision. Then just for the heck of it, maybe put on an intake and 4 barrel to see what you can do with that combo. Personally, I would also like you to then continue adding headers and measuring performance; then swapping cams as the last bit. But I’d be so very pleased even if you “only” build the stock part 318 as you originally laid down and as absolutely everybody clearly understood as per your explanation. It’s GREAT that you intend to eventually do the stock parts 318!

[@andynicoll8566]

Ya I don't think David got the point from the beginning.I got the feeling he was thinking why would you rebuild it if you weren't gonna rebuild it.The whole idea of the two barrel soured him right off, lol.

[@blairleighton3343]

That would be an interesting project, especially if during the process it could be explained whether things done would work on other engines or why not. Be great to see what might be achieved with that old 350 2bbl sitting out in the barn without having to invest more than just labour.

[@bcbloc02]

The concept of you are on a dessert island with this engine and you need to try to make as much power as possible out of it with no other parts is a hard concept to want to explore when you aren’t trapped on the island and there are so many better ways to improve things for a lot smaller investment. Time is money and David has limited amounts of it so spending 60-100 hours working over engine parts at $100 an hour to have a 300hp motor when you are done is crazy.

[@feeble1]

I respectfully disagree. Tony’s idea was simple and clearly expressed. There’s no way in the world those two didn’t understand it. At some point they decided that they didn’t want to do it, and deliberately turned it into something completely different. To me this is unambiguously dishonorable. If they regretted their spur of the moment agreement to participate, they had ample time to tell Tony that both before Tony delivered the engine to them, and even after that they could have returned it. It would have been understandable, changing their minds after thinking it through. Instead, they did what they did. Shameful. @@andynicoll8566

[@Sleepy_Js_Garage]

Grinding the stock cam was something Tony did approve of, because it did fit into the idea he had of only removing metal from all the stock parts. The only modifications could be removing metal by lathe or mill or grinding, but it had to be done on all the original parts that the engine was born with.

[@Stereomoo]

This is how I end up working alone on projects... on my own it's a lot easier to say "no, I'm not adding that" vs. if someone else on their own initiative starts adding to the work.

[@SweatyFatGuy]

Not many people want to take on projects with me. The projects I do are huge (in their own way), and its my vision, which is usually quite short of the multimillion dollar projects other people envision. I want a dragstrip up here, a private stretch of pavement we can race on. Everyone else thinks we need to build Zmax or Great Lakes dragway. I just want simple 1/8 mile, grudge racing like in South Carolina at the outlaw tracks. If I got 20 guys together with the same vision, we could make it happen in a summer. Problem is, project creep...

[@OldcarsNmusic]

I don't like working with others on my own projects because, I don't like them talking me into or out of my plans. If you listen to them and things go south, one of two things usually happen: 1) you never see them again so you can't tell them, what a Drano abortion it turned out to be; or 2) if you get to tell them then they say "well, you didn't have to listen!" There's almost never a 3) where you get to tell them and they say "sorry to hear that; maybe we should've done it your way after all."

[@ssnerd583]

Yeah....the whole thing usually goes sideways at some point when somebody looses the original idea and the whole thing is now.....gone sideways. Had that happen on a computer project, once.....

[@Splungers]

"A Camel is a horse-built by a committee."

[@PainterDee]

You should try creating art with others.. 😂

[@captainjohnh9405]

I loved the INTENT of the Mission Impossible build. It was like a 16 year old kid gets the old clunker the family bought new, spends no money, and makes the best from what he has. A good life lesson all around.

[@alertgasper]

if you do an internet search for "junkyard jewel 318", you can get a good recipe for a 318 build.

[@bigboreracing356]

The intent would not help sick children.

[@ianbuilds7712]

This is exactly the kind of word vomit I expected to see in comments.... The way the St. Jude thing is being thrown around after the fact to ensure moral high ground is sickening.. If the INTENT was to auction off an engine with the INTENT to make a lot of MONEY for CHARITY why in the world would you use this project as your jumping off point it literally makes no sense..

[@C2welder]

@@bigboreracing356It was not supposed to help sick children. It was supposed to be a challenge to see what could be done with stock parts.

[@bigboreracing356]

@@C2welder Helping sick children is more important.

[@cabelo_carburado]

To be honest, I was really excited about this project, especially because here in Brazil, we only have the 318 and all the aftermarket parts are so expensive. It would help a lot, but anyways thank you so much for all the information in this channel, and to consider the average guy. God bless you!

[@TA_Plus_Hemi]

You know I never thought about that aspect of it but you are completely right. I guess I don't actually know enough about other automotive markets in the world to really give it full thought. Thank you for pulling my head out

[@cabelo_carburado]

@TA_Plus_Hemi you're welcome, brother. Sometimes, I see people complaining about the USA inflation and car prices, parts, etc... you guys have no idea how it is to like V8s here in Brazil, we can't buy one of them and barely affording a 4 cylinders because of the gas price. While some people don't like the 318, for us Brazilians, it is a dream.

[@tarstarkusz]

They're going to sell off UT's block and heads, but it's for Saint Jude's and so that makes stealing off your friends OK.

[@OllamhDrab]

It's really not the worst engine to be 'stuck with,' .....kind of a favorite of mine, really. The way I see it, if I had a *time machine* I would order the 340, but in the real world it's if anything easier to exceed that performance with a 318, yaknow, cam, headers, stuff Tony talks about, all that. 340 survivors tend to be kinda rare and people may really want to keep em stock, too, so parts are pretty much big bucks if available. (Certainly my 318 with, well, at least aprobably-Isky-type cam, unknown other maybe-mods from an unspecified history, and some pretty cheap headers I put on, and a full Accel ignition kit I lucked into, was certainly more than adequate for power. (I would guess at least somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 horsepower, which was a lot at the time for a street car. Never dynoed and was never much of a drag racer so never timed. :) )

[@pkuudsk9927]

I am 57 and been pissing around with them for years with no budget either. These thing were so poorly built it's crazy . Just take 1 apart and match port the intake to the head or exhaust manifold is good for 10 hp easy. I have seen some intakes that are 1/10th closed due to miss alignment and had to slot the intake hole just to get them close then match port them. The heads are so rough just finger sanding them and removing the square corners from old worn out casting dies is a huge gain. The newer the motor the worse they get,. You have to remember Chrysler was broke and quality control was bottom of the list in late 70's. Just cleaning up the water pump porting is good for 1-2 hp. again so poorly aligned they back up pressure and steal power. Pop the valves out and look at the mess they let pass QC .Even if you know nothing just tear it appart and look at all the things that need to be smoothed out, adjusted to actual fit and fix that. Shave the head .030/.040is not that expensive, polish piston tops, slot the cam sprocket and actuly get the timing right, with a piston stop, polish the back side of the valves. Put you cast intake in a river for a day and flow port it with sand LOL What I am saying is Chrysler left a ton to clean up and make fit right,. We had emission testing here in Canada back 20 years ago and no 2 ever made the same HP on the dyno durring testing. Some down 20hp or more and passed the emission test. You don't have winter there like we do here but that when I would tear things apart and sit and be thinking looking at how bad they did. I am a Licensed Mechanic since 1996. They used to call it Blue printing , just a fancy way of saying- assembling it as it was supposed to be. A household Vacuum cleaner can work as a flow bench and a flow gauge so you can see if your making it flow better, JB weld has been used many times to fill mistakes. . You don't need a billion dollar worth of tools just read books about flow bench results and theory. A couple of low resistance bearing on a home made stand, and a slow grinding process can work to balance a crank. same with balancing pistons . Digital scales are dirt cheap now. Non of this is top secret or even that hard to do, they also take well to a cheap turbo and blow through carb, but that take $$$ . Just fix what they left and you will be happy. I love your country you have the most beautiful women your a luck guy.

[@brianhdueck3372]

I get the “old school” intent Tony set put down at the outset of this MI project. The project did spiral into a completely different direction. Good job Tony.

[@stevetaylor9265]

Yup I lost interest with it once it morphed too. I was interested before for the budget idea. That is what makes it interesting for me or you might as well get the credit card and summit catalog.

[@TA_Plus_Hemi]

It sounds like the good old fashioned too many chefs in the kitchen spoil the sauce.

[@ssnerd583]

ding-ding-ding~!!!!!

[@alertgasper]

yep, in the military it's called "mission creep". in this case, everyone had an agenda to make their channel get more clicks. but let's be honest about David Vizard--this guy has written articles on how to modify oil pumps for power, header designs, etc. you're going to stick him with a 318 and an intake and cam swap? that's too basic for a guy like that. and he turned it into a charity donation that (if memory serves) had to do with his daughter. so, in a way, he really was the wrong guy--it's like asking a NASA rocket scientist to figure out the tip on the Doordash bill.

[@ssnerd583]

wrong......nope. sorry.@@alertgasper

[@alertgasper]

@@ssnerd583 how so?

[@ssnerd583]

if you cant figure THAT out, then you fail to comprehend the ORIGINAL goal that Tony wanted to achieve and WHY. bloody hell but DV is EXACTLY the guy you would want on your mission team.@@alertgasper

[@tubefreek869]

I agree whole heartedly on this one. Forget the budget part of it, i just wanted to see what could be done with stock parts, like what my grandfathers generation did before we had off the shelf performance this and that. To me the original idea of this had the spirit of the original hot rodders. Theyres absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to make a good engine for a st judes donation, but thats not what this was supposed to be...

[@alertgasper]

the reason why most mopar fans don't fool with the 318 is there's not really a piston designed to get the compression up. and the heads suck, so you hunt for X heads or the 308 heads, and by the time you put on those and the aftermarket intake manifold that was about as good as the 340 cast unit, you're still making less power than if you put those same parts on a 360. the good news? do an internet search for "junkyard jewel 318"

[@alertgasper]

do an internet search for "project junkyard jewel 318" and you'll get an idea of what you're looking for.

[@mikebrunello243]

Tony will you please do your own mission impossible I feel very let down

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

I agree, Mike. I would have liked to see strict rules, how the testing would be done, and a hard deadline. The idea was if you had a crap motor, no money, but time to do the work, could you make one HP/ cubic inch? I'm happily still waiting for that. 😊👍

[@georgem8200]

He said he's going to after they have finished theirs.

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

@@georgem8200 (2027?)

[@andrewkelly1225]

@@moparnut6286 You do know that it is possible to not watch Tony's videos if you dislike him so much don 't you???

[@sbf_fox2434]

Charles Servedio did most of the leg work on this 318. He kept to the original intent and ported another set of smog heads, 2 bbl smog intake and log exhaust manifolds. He has hundreds of hours in working those parts. I would like to see him finish the project.

[@Sleepy_Js_Garage]

Not quite the original intent. Charles picked the best smog heads from the mid 80s to develop, and they have different ports, different chambers, and can be modified in ways that the original 60s-70s heads can not. Immediately that throws intent out the window. Anybody can find those 80s heads and bolt them on and get 25hp extra without any port work at all, and that is not starting out with the original low performance parts.

[@t44e6]

Irrelevant.

[@t44e6]

@@jamesholmes3955Too bad he didn't have more consideration for Tony and all the viewers from the various channels who had no interest in what is going to be built.

[@nastybastardatlive]

So go watch him finish his project, nobody is trying to stop either of you.

[@dadalebreton184]

It's how I met Charlie. He must have been David's right arm and he wanted to help. He's a Master in head tuning, but He's got the tools and a flowbench. Something 99% of us dont. Im sure He's gonna finish David's project.

[@ARfourbanger2000]

One thing that gets lost is that some of UT projects are just as much a science experiment as a hot rod project. In experiments, failure happens more than success. UT has no problem with failure. The man wants to try and learn stuff and take us along for the ride. If that isn't your thing, that's fine, but you should have respect for what he is doing in his videos. I only hope one day he will answer the age-old question once and for all: can you put a slant in a fiero?

[@megalomotors]

Sounds actualy sensible compared to those guys out in Russia who wonder what happens to Ladas running flat out on concrete tires or somesuch nonsense!

[@escortracer]

Thank you for the closure.

[@claudehall7889]

some people don't understand its not how fast you go it's how you go fast

[@alertgasper]

many will focus on how fast they go, and if they spend money, they lower the price on the parts due to supply and demand. Or they put a turbo LS into everything. those guys are doing me a favor, because the old 1960's engines are coming up cheap--just landed another Olds 455 for $100 instead of $500, guy wasn't sure what it was and didn't think anyone would want it. But yeah, it's fun for some of us to silk purse the sow's ear sitting behind the shed. we grew up in the old days of street machines when we cruised the junkyards for the right OEM stuff as much as we stood outside the window of the speed shop drooling over what we had to save up to buy.

[@paul44235]

I watched Andy's explanation this morning. Tony should definitely build the 318.

[@TA_Plus_Hemi]

I agree but he's got a lot of irons in the fire

[@tarstarkusz]

Tony should DEMAND his block and heads be returned. This is thievery. They are going to sell something that doesn't belong to them. They are claiming they want to sell it for charity to justify their stealing UT's block and heads. This is how friendships are ruined. They need to return his property.

[@kennethhoneycutt4513]

​@@tarstarkuszI think the only reason why Tony is not asking for his parts back is because of it being auctioned off for Saint Jude. And anybody with half a brain cell knows that if you interdict something. Like such as this, you're going to catch so much hate, it's not funny. You can kind of tell in the video that he's p***** about it. Which and all rights he should be Hell, I am for him, but he is being the bigger person. Bowing out gracefully and is going to build his own on his own. And it sounded like a great idea. When they were first talking, but like in earlier comment. Somebody mentioned too many chiefs in the kitchen and that's exactly what happened

[@anthonyp151]

When I did my automotive apprenticeship, my teachers said that racing and modifying cars and engines is full of sharks and theives. A well-known Aussie engine shop told me when I was an apprentice if you want to learn performance in this country there's only two ways to do it, pay an established American, like mondellos school to teach you or build your own engines, or build them, blow them up and keep repeating that until you figure it out. I went for the second option.

[@alpha13dylan]

​@@tarstarkusz I'm not sure you understand that now after the charity is involved any tampering makes Tony out to be the bad guy. You can't just demand things back after a charity is involved. If someone walked into your home, stole something of yours then sold it and then donated all the money to a cancer hospital for children you would probably be angry, however you wouldn't then take from a children's cancer charity would you? That's worst case scenario. Tony was involved in the project, he bowed out for good reason and now it is being donated to charity. There was no thievery. There are no demands to be made.

[@mwagner_87]

Unfortunately I stopped following the project as soon as the original intent was lost. Glad to know you will redo it in the future.

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

I understood the MI build as you described it, twice. Within a couple days, I was in the minority. I saw this day coming. No harm. I'll follow the new build. I'm happy.

[@fasttoys99]

I was thinking the same thing Tony just said in this video!! Thumbs up Tony.

[@robertheymann5906]

Watched both videos today and it was mentioned on Andy's that " a few companies are supplying parts" Seems it got a bit more commercial for them

[@nummnuts22]

One reason I continue to watch your channel, make a plan and stick to it or to the best of the original idea. This became a game of telephone, somewhere down the line money and a parts book got thrown in. I always liked this channel because its built not bought.

[@blairleighton3343]

It's the difference between using your skills and knowledge to build horsepower and using your chequebook. How deep is your knowledge versus how deep are your pockets.

[@teamkingproject9859]

I remember how exited you were about the original idea and having Andy and David involved. It's a bummer it didn't happen that way, I really wanted to know how much mass production slop could be turned into HP. Thanks for the update!

[@alertgasper]

smokey yunick, when the chevy 396 came out, claimed that blueprinting that specific engine got him another 100 hp. so, yeah, there's power to be found, which is why the big racers blueprint. but that requires expertise and expensive machinery, so it's out of the range of Joe Shadetree. but we can guess the "hidden power" is whatever the factory came up with when they gave us the official rating--no doubt they picked the best engine to make that finding on :)

[@rodneybyrd9516]

LOL, I sent a vintage General Kinetics cam in for the build, you can see the box in one of Andy/DV's videos. Not technically a stock 318 camshaft, but a mild "cheater" of sorts. Had the same 240* advertised duration (!!!) and .390" lift (!!!) but on a narrower (107* vs 112*) lobe separation angle. I figured it would bolster the cylinder pressure somewhat and help with cylinder filling (overlap), not really a race piece but a vintage (quality) item that fit the build, and I knew I'd never use it myself. Shortly thereafter the build metamorphasized into a "F.A.S.T." class engine of sorts and obsoleted my cam's possible usage. Hoped I could play a small part in the M.I. 318, but oh well!

[@littlevman2997]

Wow man, wish you'd sent it my way. I've got a 318 in a 68 barracuda that's yearning for that piece

[@littlevman2997]

Imagine all the other parts that have been donated, only to be undermined by ego

[@rodneybyrd9516]

@@littlevman2997 Contact Andy Wood or David Vizard whenever they finish the MI 318 series, they would never need it, and they can send the proceeds to St. Jude!

[@rboynton8671]

I really appreciate your humility on this, Tony. Keep the faith!

[@oldwaysstillwork]

They lost me when David started talking about these fantastic pistons that were donated and then I heard about the LS valves. It got so far away from its roots that the average guy could not recreate that engine. I was really interested at first, because of the "run what ya brung" aspect of it, then it became bastardized. I grew up with the "this is what ya got, make.it work" mentality and someday I'd really like to shake your hand.

[@jimmy_olds]

Yep.

[@alertgasper]

the age-old problem with the 318 is the piston choice, if you want to make real compression. that's why for decades, Mopar fans went to the 340 and 360. You buy the 340/360 parts to make your 318 sing, and then the laws of physics says that a 360 would make more steam with those parts. The 318 was never a hidden diamond that Tony made it out to be. I can't blame David, who makes race engines on the cheap, for seeing a 318 needing a cam and intake swap, and being interested. UTG, back before he got this new shop, had videos on waking up a 318 in his wife's Dart, hopefully he can bring 'em back or just do one for those who feel left behind.

[@oldwaysstillwork]

They were already angle milling the head .125" to build compression and change the valve angle in relation to the piston. This could be done by anyone and would still be allowed under the "born with it" parts rule. This went from a neat idea to a "It's got MY name on it" type of build. I understand that David has built tons of engines and found power where most woulnow to look. He agreed to the build, then just did what he wanted taking this thing so far from it's roots that I don't really care how much power it makes now. The project became null and void the instant ego became involved and regardless of anyone's opinion, that's what I believe happened. I do hope they raise a good amount of money for St. Judes, because that organization does good by those kids.

[@alertgasper]

@@oldwaysstillwork well, when you say, "anyone can angle mill a head", this anyone also has to mill the intake manifold by a similar amount to avoid a vacuum leak, and then get the distributor on some engines to match the new height. and then there's the pushrod length issue. that can be solved by new 'rods or get the adjustable rocker arm setup from a 273, but the holes in the head that the pushrods go through aren't surrounded by a whole lot of cast iron to waller out. So "anyone" probably means a machine shop, but i agree with you. this isn't the same as an "unobtainium" speed part. but if you think David took it over, rather than showed just how much work it takes to make a 318 perform its best (everyone wants to be a contrarian, but perhaps there's a reason Mopar fans skip over it to buy a 360), then you made my case that DV was the wrong person to go to. Personally, i think if you want to build a street engine, don't go to a race engine builder. maybe it was UTG's garage ego wanting the big name to get more clicks to his channel. but if you want a budget build, search for "junkyard jewel 318". Hot Rod or Car Craft Magazine did the brainwork for us.

[@oldwaysstillwork]

I will check that out. You are correct in that going to a race shop was a bad idea for a budget build. This just went off the rails very quickly. Was a 318 a horsepower monster? NO!! Were they dead nuts reliable and hard kill? Very much so! It would've been nice to see what all of David's knowledge could've done with stock parts is my point. The extra machine work to make the intake work on angle milled heads is a pain and costly for sure, but it's been done for years. The availability of aftermarket heads and good pistons eliminated the need on desirable engines, so you don't hear about it very much nowadays. You may be right that UTG needed an ego boost, but either way,this thing went south in a hurry and there's no coming back. Will it be a good engine when they finally finish it? Probably be a nasty little ball of fun, however, it's not going to be what it was supposed to be. Like I've said before though, I hope they raise a ton of money for St. Judes. It's a great organization.

[@darwindodge6260]

I remembered watching david vizards videos early on in the project I found my self yelling at the screen Thats not the intent of the build I hope to see the original plan come to fruition

[@RustBeatersDerelicts]

Mission Impossible could have been a long term series of videos taking things step by step using only factory parts comparing what changes make a difference with a dyno pull after each "change". Hone the cylinders fresh rings & valves. Then port the factory heads & intake. Fuel would be a 2 step process... Massage the stock 2 bbl for max flow, and then see what the difference is with a stock 340 4bbl intake & carb. As long as its a factory production part, it should be acceptable. The important part is seeing the actual difference between the original installed part and the factory supplied "massaged" part.

[@kurtvanluven9351]

All great, but inexpensive EFI W/spark control makes final tuning more precise and repeatable.

[@regdor8187]

That is called intellectual masturbation......Nothing in this project is doable with a crescent wrench and a file....

[@NBSV1]

@@kurtvanluven9351Then that starts going back down the road of just throwing money at it and building something aftermarket performance parts like has been done many times before.

[@jeffosim8789]

@@kurtvanluven9351MI is a project MODIFYING THE FACTORY STOCK PARTS. Fuel injection wasn’t a stock part, this is exactly what UT is explaining and how the project went off course. Did you actually watch the video? 😎

[@apocolypse11]

Utg not clever enough for that idea bro

[@toast9758]

I remember watching David Vizard's videos of the mission impossible 318 video, cause I planned on following it as much as I can with the 239ci V6 (for kicks and giggles), and he started talking about aftermarket pistons then I knew "oh god the spirit is gone..."

[@michaelbennett1883]

I found a 1956 265 chevy block in an old barn. I saved it because I would love to do this type of thing eventually.

[@Bodgemiester]

I knew it got lost when David started choosing pistons for it

[@Ecosse57]

same here.

[@littlevman2997]

In his defense, chrysler really needs a head bang for the piston to deck clearance. unless you weld the piston like Chris birdsong at junkerup, you'll never gettbe desired quech or compression from the engine, even if you remove the head gasket!

[@blakegaddis946]

​@littlevman2997 That is why offset grinding the crank needed done to get the piston further up the hole!

[@alertgasper]

@@littlevman2997 well, yeah, that's the big fly in this entire ointment. the 318 isn't a big performance secret that's been overlooked. Anyone who's built one, knows it wasn't designed for performance, that's the job of the 340 and the 360. like you said, anyone doing a 318 for performance not towing, is going to have to choose pistons that give anything close to decent compression ratio (i've seen folks use Buick 350 pistons, but not the V6 since there's a pin issue due to the oddfire). and it seems like everyone forgets, David Vizard writes books and articles on how to modify every part of the engine to get the most power--like oil pumps or deciding which valve angle works best. so, it might be an ego boost to get a NASA engineer to fix your radio, but don't be surprised when he decides to upgrade it :)

[@notreallyhere5900]

The thing with Tony. is. He doesn’t care if an idea fails. Mission impossible. Build it send it , everyone else , oh no this thing has to be great

[@alertgasper]

there's a place and time for both philosophies. if i was paid by youtube, i wouldn't care if my investment failed, either. some of us are lucky that we have the time, the tools, and the spare parts to say, "hey, what if we..." but others are in it to win it, and they need to prove to the wife they got their money's worth.

[@ProblemChild-xk7ix]

It was off the rails as soon as David started on it.

[@petergrey7125]

Agree with all the comments I’m seeing here. This is what you’ve been trying to teach us, Uncle Tony, is how to work with what we have and see what we can accomplish with a little time and effort.. on a budget. 👍❤️

[@GeorgeWalsh-p3r]

You made the right choice on this one Tony. I remember your intent when you first started this project, it was stock factory parts from that supplied engine. Very smart people in their capacity I think tend to not focus on the stock portion of the project but on the extreme performance that they work with every day. When you start your new project I will be watching. George from St. Pete

[@musclecarmitch908]

It's amazing how fast a idea can go off the rail's, makes me think back to high school day's when me and 4 friends were going to camp out on our farm then, 150 to 200 kids showed up and it turned into a field party!🤣

[@TA_Plus_Hemi]

Same sort of thing I was thinking about

[@candyrobinson3637]

Field party= kegger on grass or mud.

[@musclecarmitch908]

@@candyrobinson3637 😂👍

[@DanEBoyd]

@@musclecarmitch908 Always loved field parties!

[@musclecarmitch908]

@@DanEBoyd 😊👍

[@keithroute8906]

I have played with 318’s in the past. With all stock parts, 318 horse power might be a dream, I just don’t know if that is possible. 240 to 250 horsepower in that range is kind of where I hit a ceiling in my distant past. I gasket matched the heads to the manifold and exhaust manifolds, slightly cleaned up the castings from there. I messed with the carb quite a bit. I am sure you guys know way more in order to get more but 318 horsepower is up there for everything stock. Now with aftermarket speed parts and cam, that is a total different story as you are explaining. You could get big power, the 318 is a really great motor for power. The 273 was a little more built as stock for power as was the 340. The 318 just kind of never was built for power as much as those two motors. It was built to last for hundreds of thousands of miles. Much harder to get the magic one cubic inch per one horsepower in a 318. I would not say impossible and if you are successful, God bless you and good luck Tony.

[@v6ileib]

Much needed explanation form you and Andy. Thanks!

[@timmcooper294]

I was so excited about this project when you started it, and I don't even own a 318 ! I read David Vizard's books way back, and his methods of reworking stock parts were and are soooo cool !! The "Replace everything with fancy stuff" mentality has smothered this hobby. Real gearheads work to understand what they are working with, and get the most out of it........ That's REAL Hot Rodding !!! I loved your original idea, and what it represents, regardless of make or type of engine.

[@Totalstang]

Ignore the haters and keep up the great content. They’re not here long term.

[@Splimis]

I don't blame you, its not the same project anymore. On the bright side, there's no shortage of 318s out there to start over.

[@ianbuilds7712]

Its like the st jude thing was thrown in there as a power move to maintain moral high ground.. Of course it should be a desirable engine if its being auctioned off but to say it got off the rails is an understatement and furthermore as an engine thats going to just anyone it really couldve never been what was originally intended..

[@sydneychase780]

Yup Tony lighten up man, this happened I'm glad you said what and how you said it. I commented at the beginning of this, we were stock eliminator racing a 70 challenger 318, 904, and it was fun to see what changes did. Bone stock 15.6 Qtr at 89mph. This was 1988. Did all the things the class allowed no cheats, at the end 13.6 at 97mph shifts at 7200, still stock short block 6' adv on stock cam. No blow ups so much fun. I'm pretty sure this was the intent of it. We did mission impossible, can be done! You tube is full of 1000hp builds with the best most costly parts, i get it. Still like all of you David Andy, Charles and you silly WOP. Thumbs up from the crazy greek in az👍👍😁

[@sydneychase780]

I would add this; I think the idea of low cost improvement to stock if lets say rebuilding one from a nice car that's tired, and getting something more power and better gas mileage to boot is what we would do with our daily driver. Tony is on that AND what we did in stock eliminator class. I challenge you all to watch stock eliminator races and see what a 305 chevy can do with a carburator., you cant do LS or Mod ford swapping if it doesn't come that way factory. it is way fun!

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

I'm still waiting for the "built in the kitchen 318" to come back.

[@Sleepy_Js_Garage]

That was supposed to be a 383 if I remember correctly.

[@clembob8004]

@@Sleepy_Js_Garage I think it was a 318, but no matter, the point was to show how to build an engine without having a garage or the "normal" facilities of the typical engine builder.

[@alertgasper]

@@clembob8004 i remember that, and frankly, i wish there were more videos of how much can get done at home. not that i want to put machine shops out of business, but for many, the local machine shop is only good for "fleet service rebuilds". might as well do stuff like that at home, like polish your own crank journals or blueprint an oil pump or soak rusty parts in molasses dip to save them.

[@thedodong4268]

UTG your a classy guy thanks for explaining this. I respect your position and I am glad you and Andy are still friends.

[@scottsmith1386]

Tony, i think the only way to keep a project pure is to keep it totally in house. I'm looking forward to your Mission Impossible project.

[@newcreation2521]

Well said.

[@jimkalfakis9893]

What David Vizard forgot, we’ll never know. His videos are a must-watch for technical engine builders

[@jimmy_olds]

That is true, an no one is saying otherwise.

[@coleacanth8944]

When a project with clear intent and simple to follow guidelines turns into 3-d chess in the back of a rolling moving van

[@campnoutdoors1621]

I watch Andy's channel all the time. I will continue to watch Andy However, I can't stress this enouph! You, Andy, and Visard made an agreement of how to proceed. It is very important to stand by agreements or dont make them at all. Andy is young and as you said a good man. I honestly hope he gets the importance of agreements figured out sooner than later so that he can thrive in life both with friends and in his family life as well! Honestly, in this world you may be better off working alone uncle Tony. Please give us some more conspiracy theory stuff :)

[@christophercullen1236]

Tony I agree with you 100% I was very much looking forward to the end result ! A engine with after market parts was not for me . Kit from down under

[@rockymeyers4030]

No need to apologize. Most have forgotten about this a long time ago ...

[@kevinknabe7252]

You can watch dozens and dozens of Charles videos modifying the stock 318 parts. He's probably got hundreds of hours invested. They are building a highly modified 318 with stock 318 parts. And at the same time, also doing aftermarket parts too. They aren't just building what tony is saying in this video.

[@paulmetcalf4471]

Tony, I agree with you......the project definitely went off the rails. Months ago I commented on Andy's page about the build and how it was not really what you had in mind. No disresoect to Andy or David.....I've read several of David's books and used some of hid findings on some of my own builds in the past, and Andy's knowledge of the tunnel ram is incredible........but this morphed into something completely different fairly quickly and then the giving the proceeds of selling it to chariity got involved. I think this is where the intent changed, because to be honest, who really wants a stock reworked 318......the consensus would be very few. A modified 318 that makes gazillions of HP would be an easier sell, and hence easier to get the $$ promised to the charity. I'm fine with the idea of giving the $$ to charity, I'm not saying that was a bad idea, I'm just saying that's where the original intent of the project strayed. When they started going down that path, I stopped watching that video series. I, like many others that follow your channel, truly wanted to see the project go as it was originally intended. I guess it's like the old saying....if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. And in this case, right would mean following the original intent.

[@craigbenz4835]

Spot on.

[@No1414body]

I have followed the build of the heads, they are indeed stock open chamber heads with stock valves. They were built in the same intent as you had. They flow 230cfm. I believe your intent was great, but however because David is so well known, the manufacturers seek him out. That seems to be what corrupted the project. The manufacturers want to showcase their parts. 318s can make 318 horsepower easily, not with the stock 2 barrel. There are many people that can do it. You can do it Tony, you have great content, keep up the good work.

[@oikkuoek]

The OG MI 318 project was interesting, and it started out great. Also Charles' videos about different cuts has been very informative, all be it only flow bench numbers. There were mistakes made, weird custom parts added etc, but overall good. It's just that, none of the participants understood the value of the challenge. If you take the "anything goes" route, re-sleeves and cement, pistons, rods, crank, trick flow heads ported, three injectors/cylinder, triple compound turbo setup and you'll have 2500 hp at the crank. Also, Steve Dolchets built 400 hp 318 out of stock heads by moving pushrods and slapping in after market cam with nascar intake. All this is basic stuff. The beauty of 2brl setup is the mileage you get when you are not flooring it. And, could you get an old smog era junk go as efficient as modern engine, just by grinding out the excess stuff? Is it actually junk, or is there something to work with? 318 remains probably my favorite starting point of what comes to V8's. Either it or the Rover V8, although those castings are rubbish. Or, AMC 304 de-stroked to 209 with flat plane crank and boost.

[@NBSV1]

Yep. The original idea of starting with the less desirable setup and massaging those parts to try and get decent performance was an interesting idea. To me it’s easy if you have the money to just buy performance stuff and throw it on. And, that’s a road that’s well traveled. But, what if you don’t have that money and are just working with what you have or can find for really cheap since people don’t want it.

[@oikkuoek]

@@NBSV1 To me, that is the "Tuner's Challenge" To take a pile of junk and beat the billet bois with it at their home track. And, only criminals have money these days. The rest of us are stripped poor.

[@Driven_Dragon]

This is exactly how i heard it and thought about it myself. Wow! I get to work with David Vizard?! Far out! Lets see how many ponies we can get out of a stock motor and compare it with a completely massaged stock motor. Goal being 318 HP out of 318 CID. Good on ya Tony for continuing this Quest!

[@HANDBALLDIEHARD]

I had one 2 bbl 69 318 pulled from a 69 Charger swap ! It was a screamer , single non-posi tire melter in my 66 fury 3 luxo-boat Ply ! It had heavily shaved heads with a good 3 angle valve job ! all stock 904 automatic ,It definitely was up 20-25 hp over stock , my guess? After working it ,stock bottom new rings, bearings , ported heads solid lift PAW cam and springs , 3.55 posi baby slicks 10" 3200 stall in a 727 , i quarter mile ET best 14.5sec in almost 2 ton auto, even that wasn't 1 hp per cube ? I think yea mission impossible for sure ! Tony ! Later on bored with i i tried blowing it up , was doing 8k upshifts 1st and 2nd gear ! it never blew , replaced with a b block 73 400 till i sold it.Good luck with the impossible !

[@jmanke6057]

Thanks!

[@UncleTonysGarage]

Thank you!

[@mikebrown8065]

Uncle Tony, I for one absolutely love the idea of taking a "bone stock" engine and looking for max performance from it. I am leaning towards your "mission impossible" to achieve the "possible" for matching cubic inch to hp's. I've built similar scenario engines for my brother's sportsmen dirt modified; no more than 358 cubes, and everything except pistons (no more than 9.5:1 compression), cam, valves, lifters and timing chain, must have OEM part numbers. And of course the rule uses a specific, no porting or polishing the heads or intake other than gasket matching, 4 barrel intake manifold, with a 4x2 specific spacer, and a 2 bbl. Holley carb. The coolest thing about your idea is that most of us (definitely myself since I'm only 54) weren't around when there were no aftermarket parts and the talent actually came from this "challenge" of yours. This to me, is going back to the root of hot rodding, and I definitely appreciate it & respect it! Looking forward to seeing this transpire when you are ready brother!! 😎🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

[@Dan-ib4sz]

I'm a 77 year old hotrodder that own's a daily driver 1929 custom Dodge with a stock 360 magnum engine. I am really interested in your buil, hoping I can gain some knowledge that I can apply to my engine. Unity Garage has a noble cause. And like them, I to have a credit card, but the personal rewards of doing it yourself with what you got is far greater. I can't wait for your project to start!

[@graemethorne677]

I got the original idea which was how early hotrodding was done. Massaging parts to get the maximum output from them. Perhaps Uncle Tony could do a 318 build using stock parts it would be a good series that would be applicable to all engines for people to fettle their own engines.

[@todddenio3200]

I like and will still watch Andy's videos and am not going to hold it against him, but he should have done his build seperately as HIS BUILD not as Uncle Tony's concept build. Great respect for UT on his handling of this

[@markmcmullen1371]

I felt that David and Andy should never have said they would do the engine, because they should have said there schedule would not have allow them the time to do it, this would have been a very interesting build as first discussed.

[@olikat8]

I have an original, 88K mile, '76 Valiant sedan with a 318. Was just going to put a slight cam (due to the low-compression pistons, tight converter, 2.76 rear gear, 15" wheels), Edelbrock Performer RPM from a junkyard, re-done TQ, and re-curve the distributor to work with this combo. Got into it & guess what? Found a bunch of trash in the pan, 2 cam bearings fairly trashed & the rear pistons looked scuffed. Took it to a very good machine shop here in NC that does work for some known names in racing & the car world. Ordered a set of 0.030 over KB pistons & ring set, I-beam rods, and brought in a '70 340 crank and a set of 308 heads (I had both in my garage) as the machine work started. As the process went on, I get a call from the shop. "Hey, order some 0.060 thick Cometic head gaskets. The factory machining is so terrible on this block that the deck sloped downward from front-to-back. The rear cylinder/piston/rod/crank alignment is even off over 2 degrees, this thing was killing itself due to how bad the Chrysler workers did their job. The compression is over 10-1, with those thicker gaskets it'll be at 9.45-to-1." That's why there was trash in the pan. The job creep on the car is epic. Steering, suspension, brakes, paint, interior...seen it 1st hand, Uncle Tony

[@mrdanforth3744]

That is very sad. I have seen build articles on Chrysler engines of the fifties, NO remedial machine work was required because everything checked out perfect, even for a racing engine. I knew Chrysler quality was at a low ebb in the mid seventies (thanks Lynn Townsend!) but never knew it was that bad.

[@olikat8]

It's better now, but was not cheap to "Get right" @@mrdanforth3744

[@oscaroscar5336]

You may have thrown the baby out with the bath water. David's videos on the crankshaft, rods and charlie's work on the cylinders, the videos were a master class in engine building and preparation and provided theory and great information on things a home builder can do to get max potential out of any engine, and dave provided great information and was generous in providing feedback from his many dyno runs. David's and Charlie's explanation of flow in the head and combustions chamber is brilliant. While it had stepped out or Tony's strict vision, there was just a ton of information and some of it like Dave's evaluation that LS valve springs are bee hive and could be used on the 318 head, while its not in the strict definition of Tony's vision, its a much more practical and readily available low dollar options. So the comments are a bit strange and would seem that some of the commentors haven't really watched the videos. There is so much good information in those videos that it seems trite and juvenile for people to go down those paths. And not very enlightened, cuz if you know and watch Tony, you would suspect he will execute his vision when he's ready.

[@alertgasper]

agreed. asking David to do this build was like asking Bob Villa to assemble your IKEA with the toolbox you keep for the wife under your sink. He composes articles and books on engine theory and making race engines, but everyone's blaming him for not making a beer-budget street engine? seems like those who are blaming egos are pointing in the wrong direction. i'd love to have David Vizard make an engine, but a race engine, not something i can do myself for a daily driver.... Mopar guys don't bother with 318's because they already know the compression issue with pistons (which is why David went looking for a solution, and that ironically flagged everyone as "going off the rails"). you put 360 parts on it, and you don't get the performance a 360 would make with the same parts. now, if youtube is paying your bills, sure, it's fun to find out what everyone else already found out, but...

[@KiwiMoparTragic]

When they did the videos on the standard carb and got so much extra flow out of it, I was interested and looking forward to seeing what else they could do. When they started talking about LS valves, I switched off. Looking forward to the UTG 318 build.

[@aprules2]

Tony I remember all of this. I remember David Vizard trying to get more flow out of the BBD. I think the biggest issue is you were busy doing things like porting heads, and setting up the cam. Meanwhile the rest of the guys were slaming together the block and hanging out. The other probelen was "The Marathon Build". First you didnt get to do any quality control, you slopped together a worn out engine because its what you had. Didnt you even have to swap a piston and rod from another engine? Plus you guys were dead on your feet by the end. The whole thing was a mess. I remember the look on your face when people would ask when you were sending it to the dyno, you were trying to be cool but anyone could tell you didnt like the whole thing.

[@danaglass5394]

Dana "60" Glass. I guess, take the old saying "when you want something done right, do it yourself." Love to see this done as you wanted it originally. Next after a 318, a Slant 6 in whatever cubic inch displacement.

[@ezone913]

Intent, 🤔 budget building a 318 for those who don't shit extra $100 bills weekly. 😉 Practical application to the UTG viewer; -Tips and tricks to building a super strong powerplant for a vintage birdbath D100 in a home shop with simple tools. Thanks for sharing, UTG.

[@megalomotors]

My kind of advice! Solid, cheap, practical performance tips😁

[@kylecromp319]

I watched you build this live i believe. You where porting while others where doing the build. Great watch. Had a hard time going into canada to.

[@gmjimmi]

you are so right, can we try again?

[@philstewart2245]

I would have liked to see that done to a basic 318. I had a 78 Caravelle with a 318 2v that I loved as low perf as it was.

[@Yo-mamashouse]

It was my favorite series by far....then I was like wtf happened.....the rod mass videos were great , big savings in weight.

[@jonathangehman4005]

I'd LOVE to have the engine Andy and Dave and the others are building, but like you say, nobody is going to learn anything new from it. We've all seen big hp. 318s over the years built that way. I'm SUPER interested in the original concept of squeezing all the juice out of that lemon. Anything CLOSE to 300 horses out of a 318 built by finessing the stock parts is going to make some heads spin. And I'm here for it. Looking forward to seeing what happens when it happens

[@chrishensley6745]

People that know/reason I started following you was......on a Budget......and how to get buy.....years ago when you started,I,m a Diehard G.M. Chevy guy but had to build on a budget here in East Tn. for years and that is what makes your channel so different man.....I beleive the reason you started it to begin with/unlike blowing money out the wazoo/credit cards or whatever....You have been at the top....but you have come down to your roots man/like most trying in todays world.

[@donaldgilbreath4200]

I started seeing those videos about 6 months ago and was getting confused because I could never understand what Charles was doing and what the flow charts were doing. It also got into stuff I don't think I could ever do. I was really looking forward to the results, because my Dakota has a 318.

[@dirtyburd71]

I was waiting for your response to this situation. I was really excited to see how far "stock" parts could be pushed toward a goal. I've seen other engine builds using aftermarket speed parts before so this project is now unremarkable. I posted on Andy's video so I'm not speaking in a corner. Maybe one day, you can do something close to the original plan with others. I'd be very interested to see how it works out.

[@johnmccormack3024]

The CARB!!! That BBD was done in the total spirit of this project. This item is the key. Use this ! Go ahead, put some crap-o-matic heads on the engine. Be sure to use an old stock intake manifold too. Lets see what all of the effort that went into the carb can do! Then use a stock carb. Note the difference. HAVE FUN!!

[@antt5112]

I watch UTG, UnityMotorsSportsGarage, Charles Servideo and David Vizard and enjoy them all and these guys come across as knowledgeable good blokes. Thankfully it didn't degenerate and it has been respectful. It comes across as everyone having the best intentions but problems with communication and project drift causing issues. How many cheap builds have blown out because of a slight improvement here and there lol. Maybe I am a weirdo, but I think a flip chart with the projects goals that have been agreed on or set, could be in the background or somewhere in the workshop that can be referred to from time to time. I really hope Tony does finally get to go through and finish the project impossible in its original concept, I will enjoy seeing it. It will also be interesting watching what Andy and David get up to with their version as well.

[@dh2360]

I am looking forward to both Uncle Tony's 318 factory stock engine build and David and Andy's 318 engine build. I'm sure most would agree us Mopar garage mechanics, and hot rodders in general, stand to learn a lot from both builds. I have already learn more than I could have on my own following Charles Servedio 318 head work and very extensive port flow data. So, ALL of you guys are providing information that's taking the guess work out of it. I'll be building future 318 engines based on the outcome of both these builds, isn't this the ultimate goal for doing these videos?

[@raymondward1009]

I went to Automotive school back in the early 1980's at my local Technical Institute, I only made it thru the first year of the 2 year course before I went back to work. One of our instructors told me as we where removing a head from a block, "In the old days (50's-60's I'm guessing) guys would put "fat welds" in the combustion chamber on the head side to produce a little extra compression".

[@anthonyp151]

Thanks for the update, Uncle Tony. I really wanted to see what mission impossible 318 would do because I've been toying around with ideas like this for a variety of engines. Make them go as hard as possible with stock parts. It's a shame that you're no longer involved. Hopefully, one day, you can do another mission, impossible 318 on your terms as well as revisit the fast, fun, and cheap 318. Myself personally, when finances allow will buy a 4bbl dual plane manifold and carby for my 318 and fit the 340 auto cam to it like the 1970s direct connection books suggested to do along with reworking all of the stock bit's and maybe swapping to 360 sized valves but no more. I believe reworking the stock bits if you have the patience and knowledge is the cheapest way to go. I originally got this idea from reading 60s and 70s British books on the subject as well as a cool Chevy book from the 90s about building claimer engines. So it can be done.

[@dirkshumbadrinkersb4908]

Uncle Tony please continue with the project as here in South Africa parts are hard to come-by if its not a Ford or Chevy, nobody's interested in helping.

[@billbob4856]

As much as they messed up the direction of this project, David Vizard has some fantastic books on modding engines and some of the stuff is universal. “How to Build Horsepower” “How to Super Tune and Modify Holley Carburetors” and “How To Port &Flow Test Cylinder Heads” Those are all CarTech books. Pretty sure they have lots of Mopar books too. Vizard’s have been the best I’ve read on modding though

[@boilerroomed3682]

Sounds like an old game of "Telephone" where the message gets garbled by the 4th or 5th player...

[@bradsrestorations1085]

UT, no explanation was needed, but that was perfect. I'd really love to see you build a 318 for high-performance like you just talked about. That would be a great series!

[@RayStiers]

Looking forward to your build. I remember an old magazine article about an 80s or 90s Corvette where someone (Lingenfelter maybe?) went through the engine and, balanced everything, degreed the cam, ported,, gasket matched everything...went through the exhaust and radiused the inside of all the joints for better flow. The car made 100HP more with no new parts. Are you going to use stock exhaust manifolds or headers?

[@michaelroberts6450]

The St. Judes involvement forced a change in the dynamic and mission of the original project parameters unfortunately . But a bone stock 318 2bbl wouldn't get the appropriate bidding to raise funds for those kids. They absolutely needed to build a desirable version to get the bids to help those kids. You can always do it your way on the next one. Helping kids with cancer is far more important and yes it got away from what you were expecting but necessary under those circumstances . Build your 318 with all the nuances of X HP gains it will be helpful and insightful to your fans, subscribers , and financially challenged gear heads. It's still worthwhile to do.

[@rickyteague447]

All respect to you.i agree with you. Im kinda curious what it will do my self. Good luck

[@newcreation2521]

Hindsight shows that you were the only one that could or should have done Mission Impossible for now obvious reasons, and I'm looking forward to your version of it.

[@jamesmurphy2416]

I love the mission impossible builds, your intentions are why I keep watching you since the beginning of your channel

[@jeremyking5684]

Utg needs to go ahead and do his project!! Dont let them hijack your idea!! The intent was plan and clear!

[@kevinjokipii4260]

This is downright eerie. The exact day that Tony posts a long-awaited update on Mission Impossible 318, another of my subbed channels posts a video about the Mission Impossible tape recorders. As in "This recording will self destruct in 5 seconds".

[@andrewkelly1225]

I heard both sides and both have valid points. I am interested in both builds. I am glad that all channels remain on friendly terms. I think that when Tony takes his turn he should use the stock crank and rods that David has massaged. I don't think he quite finished them but if I recall he was close to done with them. I look forward to the results of both builds.

[@rsaxtellartist]

I have been following this project, which I find admirable and valuable, since you conceived it. Unfortunately, it succumbed to the kind of fraying that almost always happens when multiple individuals are involved, as you said before a wandering away from the original intent. One suggestions would be to write down specifically a document, or specification of just what you feel is that intent and foundation for the project. Do this and revise it until you are satisfied, then publish it on your website or channel so as to eliminate any ambiguity. This project is a great idea, and offers real benefits as a solid benchmark for what can be done with a stock 318 LA Mopar small-block, and then in a second phase, the real improvements or otherwise non stock aftermarket parts may offer. Conceivably, this might be the start of a trend to establish similar benchmarks for other common affordable engines that can be reused: slant sixes, CSBs, FSBs, and others. Good luck and God bless.

[@kevinmccarthy3379]

I got to give it to Andy in his video that Tony just mentioned, Andy reruns the original conversation for full disclosure. Wich took guts since he contradicts it with his comments he then makes

[@BartComeau-h6b]

You should build the 318 yourself. We all would love to see what Uncle Tony can do. Use all your old school knowledge and show us !

[@UncleTonysGarage]

Well....Bottle Rocket....

[@mrdanforth3744]

Would love to see you do a budget build for a budget daily driver. In the old days we would take a used Chev 350 and overhaul it with new rings, bearings, timing chain, oil pump not even changing the pistons if they were not too worn. 3 angle valve job, "RV" cam, aftermarket intake with Rochester Quadrajet, and headers. This gave us a smooth running, reliable motor for a typical Chev sedan or pickup truck with an extra 30 or 40 HP and 3 or 4 MPG more than stock. I am sure the Ford and Mopar guys did similar builds. What would be the equivalent today? How would you put together a daily driver 318 or 360 that is reliable, durable and economical with a little extra "go" over a stocker?

[@spacecat7247]

Tony, I think I speak for us all. Build one on your own. We are here for it. Even if it takes a year or so(salted in with other projects). I saw it depart the rails. Asked that guy in Florida what happened,. No response. He just took over and wanted to be the star of the show. David. Great guy, legendary etc. Change too many things and it is no longer a low buck, run what ya brung 318. I am here for Tony's stuff. Not for a lab project.

[@nhra7110]

The project went off the rails right when the St. Jude auction thing came up - now it had commercial concerns. I am NOT being critical of charity in any way, but that's when this thing changed.

[@jmanke6057]

Sometimes projects take off with a life of their own. Almost like the vehicle has own mind especially when more people get involved. I built few projects and others donated cams and other parts they thought better suited. We over built a few vehicles that going to be used on street vehicles not race but ended they became more race cars then street cars being used on the street. I also like when you said everyone thinks they have a better idea even when it’s not. I remember guys telling me I picked the wrong cam wrong intake wrong carbs we bet everyone and it still went well on street. People always think they do better in hind sight. I just let them talk… keep up your good ideas.😊

[@Plumcraziness]

*@Uncle Tony* Well, I, for one, fully understood your intent for the project from day one and I loved the concept. It seemed David and Andy understood your intent and were agreement with it, and I was excited to follow the project along on David Vizard's channel to see it progress, and to see if it could hit that one horsepower per cubic inch mark using ALL stock original parts. However, after only 3-4 video instalments it seemed like things begun going off the rails when I started hearing mentions of aftermarket parts and a new goal of hitting 550+ horsepower (can't remember the exact number stated), as well as the engine being auctioned off for St. Jude's charity. Which IS noble and worthy cause, I might add. However, as soon as the direction of the build changed from using and massaging ONLY stock, original parts to achieve one horsepower per cubic inch, to using aftermarket parts to hit a max performance goal, like you Tony, I lost interest completely. For me, the challenge of using the stock, original parts to see what performance modifying techniques could be applied to it to turn something that's junk (from a performance standpoint) into something with significantly more powerful was very intriguing. THAT'S what made it interesting to me. Finding ways to get 90+ horsepower out of a bone stock 318 is WAY more interesting to me than utilizing aftermarket parts and building yet another high performance engine. That's been done and shown to death. Which is why I believe the original plan and intent was so much more interesting, and had merit. As soon as that changed, I lost all interest in the build. To me, no one is really to blame, per se, but it is unfortunate the original plan was not adhered to. I suppose the benefit of it going the way it did is that the engine is gong to be auctioned off for the St. Jude's charity, which is a good cause. But this just seemed to be an instance of a project losing its focus at the hands of good people with genuine intents. But sometimes, for various reasons, things just don't pan out. It's too bad, but I'll be looking forward to your own Mission Impossible build in the future. Onward and upward as they say!

[@rubenstanbrough956]

I was following the build the carb work on 2 barrel was very interesting, once the talk of different part came into play I was done with the project

[@Machabees]

I'm glad you are still planning on building the stock parts only 318 Tony. I want to see it.