Answering Viewer Comments And Questions On Plan Z, Our Slant Six Project Car LIVE

The level of viewer participation and interest in the ongoing saga of Plan Z is higher than usual, and the prospect of answering them sufficiently in the usual way, through the comment section would just take too much time, so we decided to just jump in and cover as many as practical in a Livestream.
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[@hubiesgarage]

Troubleshooting is some of the most challenging, fun and also most frustrating things all in one! Going in and swapping out 4 or 5 items all at once and fixing the problem may win the battle but doesn't win the war because you don't have the answer as to what solved the problem. Something that has worked well for me was to bring a spare distributor, a spare coil, a spare ballast resistor, etc. and change 1 item per pass to see if it wakes the car up. Waaay back to my High School Auto Shop days we had an old school green screen oscilloscope. We had about 4 or 5 coils that we would test and some of these stock or even 40,000 volt coils would break down at 9,000, one broke down at 16,000, etc. It was not something you could see with the naked eye on your bench test but, the coil would breakdown and would not get past those voltage points. I kept hearing you say words or phrases that kept pointing back to the possibility of a coil that was breaking down. I had a '55 Chevy that I ran at the drags that would not make power past a certain RPM and even sounded "statically" like you described. I happened to have a new Mallory Pro Master Coil with me that I swapped out and the car picked up a full second (qtr mile track). The coil swap may be one item to try to rule out a bad coil even though it passed the bench drill test. Best wishes UT, this is the best part and most fun part of hot rodding a good stress as you say!

[@Zchef85]

Willys hot rods you are now just Willy that had me crying😂

[@DuckyHunter812]

He's not wrong. Reminds me of a guy at a local machine shop. "Why don't you just put a SBC in it? I was asking if they had a torque plate for a jeep 4.0

[@obadiahsmith2345]

​@@DuckyHunter812everyone tells me get rid of the old small block and put in an LS.

[@Salmon_Rush_Die]

I have absolute confidence in this man's ability to figure out & solve this mystery. Tony showed again he knows his sh*t.

[@DelozierInspiration]

7-11 coffee for the win! Mopar rules! I have a 68 Newport 2 door with a 383, and recently bought a 66 Charger with a 440. Thanks for the great videos.

[@mostlyoldparts]

Tony, just a recommendation: Install a voltmeter to monitor voltage at coil during a pass. Without an alternator, you may not have enough voltage to the ignition system for it to operate properly.

[@Z_732]

Idling for 45 min without an alt.. not gonna have the right voltage your coil is looking for especially with an extra resistor in the system.

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

People seem to be fixated on going fast. That's not what this is about. It's about finding out why it's not going fast.

[@rustywater3219]

Put the alternator back on just to make sure it's not voltage related. Maybe the fuel pump is pulling too much load or something. Maybe the pump has a corroded wire which limits power to the coil.

[@uasparts]

Good stuff, Uncle Tony. I love these type of offerings you make, you always answer a very broad range of questions in a concise and easy to understand way. I’m 46 and I have had my hands in anything mechanical since a decade before I was old enough to have a license to drive it, and I learn new stuff from you frequently. Listen to this guy, audience- and remember what he says, cuz when guys like Tony are gone, so are the decades of lessons and wisdom they had to show all of us. 👍🏾👍🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@optimusprimer4392]

That Slant six ran like a champ with one shoe untied

[@andrewjones6239]

I found this channel because of this car and the slant six. I believe the title of the video was "The Leaning Tower of Power". I found this several years ago but long after the video was posted. I have become a follower of your channel ever since. I'm glad you are focusing on Plan Z right now and working out the bugs. I find all of your videos entertaining and informative. I don't mind when you go off track to visit Kiwi and your motorcycle/minibike videos. Keep up the good content!

[@dastrayer63]

Thanks for this "live" way of responding to the chat, and including us in your process. Appreciate you and what you do. Sorry I had to step out of the live.

[@johnmorykwas2343]

Had the same issue on my 65 Barracuda. Lose ground strap.

[@dastrayer63]

I also had a ground strap possibly causing this issue in my 66 Barracuda years ago. I can't remember how many other things I changed at the same time, so I'm not sure if ground was the exact problem (distributor change because of bad bushes was where I started, I think)

[@kramnull8962]

@@dastrayer63 Same way as many cars have problems when the electrical in the steering column goes to crap. Have you swapping bulbs and cleaning grounds til the cows come home, until you find out the real disaster is yet ahead... (pulling the column)

[@HeadFlowInc]

10.25 1/8 @2300# race weight = 105 whp 😳 +- 136hp crankshaft

[@doomman700]

Willy needs to come watch some fast beetles with little 4’s in them.

[@charlesparr1611]

willy needs to remember the old advice: "It is better to be quiet in the presence of wiser men, and risk them thinking you a fool, than it is to speak up and remove all doubt" I am reminded of a story I heard of a practical joke, where a guys buddies removed his header, and JB welded a 5/8 nut inside one of the header pipes about two inches in from the flange. They let him sweat for several days before sneaking in in the dead of night and removing the nut. They talked him into going racing that wknd anyway ( I believe it was April 1) where he proceeded to put down an incredible time on an engine that had by this point been tuned within an inch of it's life ;)

[@drussell_]

American Precision Gear Co. will make custom ring & pinion gear sets in quantities of 10. Someone with the correct gear hobbing cutters could make a one-off set for you, especially if they're set up in a CNC machine.

[@jamessouthworth1699]

I love the plan z car. I've had V8 hot rods but for some reason my inline six cars are the ones I have the fondest memories of.

[@dadalebreton184]

Take the HotRod out of your name! Lol. We here to found another way and to do the unusual but engineering common parts to make them superstocks. To fix problems within the problem. To HotRod it!!! Nice content and reminder of all around things done to plan Z. Well answered.

[@heliarche]

Gotcha. I figured you're all about simplicity and less weight so I didn't think you'd want the extra plumbing and hassle. Thanks for the answer.

[@shotsrodder]

To run in the 11s without perfect setup you need at least 400 hp 🤔

[@JudgeMeNotLeMans]

Uncle Tony, way back in my HS days my first engine rebuild was a Chevy 250 for my 69 Nova. It was a VoTech school and had all the nice tools , valve grinding and Sun Tune. I set the distributor up on the sun tune, point gap and dwell then ran up the RPM and the most I could get was 4500 - 5000 before the spark would break up due to point float or bounce. Maybe switch over to a petronix model 1361A solid state conversion kit to replace the stock points and retain the stock distributor and be sure the ( - ) neg side of the coil goes to the distributor (easy mistake).

[@flipflop4827]

Hey my names marcus, and 3 years ago when I was 16 I got my first car a 72 dart /6 all stock 7.25 3.23, 904, Column shift, drum brakes. Over the last couple years I've put a 318 in it with 727, fenderwell headers, Cooper cobras with 14" AR centerlines, scarebird front disk, four point roll, bar bucket seats, B&M unimatic shifter w pistol grip, all new front suspension w sway bar solid struts qa1 upper I boxed in the lower control arms and new leaf spring bushings and purches, and 70 mustang 22gal tank. I have recently plan Z'd it inner fenders gone, back window mechanism gone, radiator and trans cooler rear mounted before all the cutting it weighed 2940lbs. Thank you for guidance on the proper way to hack up a dart plan z is my favorite dart build I don't miss a video, again thank you your in the same box as any a list celebrity to me.👍-marcus from oregon

[@waggitnshaggit6592]

Keep at it ,they always gotta fight you some but when you get it that’s priceless

[@jimkalfakis9893]

Thanks for answering my question Tone. I 2nd on the cross breeding, it’s against my religion. Great channel man

[@petercunningham3469]

If you've got a wide tang rotor button cut it like a Mallory magneto one bevelled on one side, had an engine play up once and chased it for a week before it dawned on me that the spark could scatter the width of the wide tang,also make sure the end of the rotor is to the side and not under the poles in the cap close as possible .if you ever look at running spark you can see it travels side to side the more space it has to move the more the timing can change at rpm

[@ercost60]

15:58 I got a chuckle out of Big T!

[@mgoldbeck1111]

Have you checked the accelerator pump in the carburetor? If you tromp on the accelerator and the car stalls, it's usually due to a bad accelerator pump.

[@phillippettes6321]

If you use two ballast resisters and a double pole switch you can warm the car all you want and at the line flip the switch over to the cool resister to make the run. Then leave it on that resister until the next run and switch back to the first one that should be cool. This can also work with two resisters on each run.

[@TheGforcead]

Think out of the box, try a set of Bosch platinum plugs, I double dog dare ya! I installed a set in a '81 Oldsmobile 305 Rocket Motor, That four door olds 88 woke up!! It was a true Rocket motor with the oil spout in the front on the intake like the old cars had, but was 305 oldsmobubble

[@forthwithtx5852]

Left a message in your previous video about the condenser. Catalytic capacitors degrade over time (not necessarily use). Using one from the 60’s, even if a quality part at the time, doesn’t make any sense. Very few catalytic capacitors from that era, in any application still function properly today.

[@daviduglem3213]

Tony, the slant six is the best six cylinders in my opinion. Had a 71 dart that ran forever, automatic. (Biggest problem? Alternator bracket kept breaking. Wonder if that's usual in these cars. Say hi to Kathy and enjoy your life my friend!

[@Z_732]

Sweet.. im good with the idea of the resistor theory. I think your dead on.

[@waddney4121]

UTG the light fitting you have on top of the carb, would it benefit from having the radius going the other way?

[@73ac39]

Tony, check the resistances on that coil. I had a msd blaster 2 that ran fine around town, but on the highway had a miss, but i could drive "through" it,then it would come back. Changed coil problem fixed.

[@2HacksGarage]

I watched the live, I agree it has something to do with the ignition, but don’t discount the head flow design, that could be a limiting factor under load too

[@bw3506]

Loved the interaction on all this. Hopefully you've got it worked out. Sure hope you make it to the track Saturday to test it out. You planning on some parking lot runs before hand?

[@TheGforcead]

The Cheesebox Racer. That was the first car to use drill holes to lighten it.

[@battlestar7779]

…you’re problem is definitely rpm related- and that eliminates a ton of possibilities- but it may also be speed (g-force) related as well. Sounds like you have covered almost every possible issue that could be the root of the problem- even the valve spring pressure problem (I mentioned earlier) - you say they are new 340 springs, (claiming that’s overkill) , but, did you actually check them, with spring pressure gauge, before installing them ? I’m no pro mechanic myself, and I wouldn’t have checked them either, just assumed I got what I paid for…but…you know what they say. Love this channel man - thanks so much for sharing all you do 🏁

[@erwinnijs1]

Dyno it and compare it to a previous run. I remember you having a Gtech RR. I don't know if it will work with an automatic transmission, but I use it all the time when modifying and tuning manual transmission cars. Logging mass air flow together with RPM can also give you a very good indication of the power curve. This will require a carb hat, a MAF sensor and some kind of data logger though

[@edpetrikk2027]

Anthony…Anyone can make a video sitting on a beach chair that is on a trailer in a shop ..A real man would do it while the trailer is being pulled down the road . 😂. Great conversation 👍. P.S. Spark plug gap ?

[@DuckyHunter812]

Totally agree, Willie doesn't understand hotrods.

[@spankyham9607]

I remember you once talking about how this kind of problem can happen because of cylinder wall taper and the rings not being able to adjust to maintain a good seal past a certain RPM. I am also wondering too if it is an issue with the ring seal, not necessarily taper but just a seal. Thanks for answering my previous thought. I know you did things to the oil pan, you don't think that could have caused windage that you thought was accounted for ? I guess what I am getting at is, if the car was better a year ago, what did you change in that time that could have caused the change. I still think this thing is bad a$$ despite the baby steps to get it to where you want it.

[@felixlafuente9714]

Another tip: try with another tach. Maybe there is too much ohms on thisone and "eats" some spark at high rpms

[@alsguitars5127]

I admire this project. So much fun. Thanks Tony. Any chance the cam went round on you? Watching the video of the run and the motor sounds - I don’t really hear fuel starvation, ignition pop or voltage sag. Beautifully even lack of power.

[@blueyhis.zarsoff1147]

One troubleshooting method is to get data from what you dont know as in cant prove it to yourself. You dont know the voltage on the coil when your going down the track for one on that list.

[@rbarker4426]

That intake manifold is old technology designed for low RPM if you have to use it modify it for dual quads two 600cfm. Then get 300 horsepower

[@daviduglem3213]

Tony, I like and you to a physician that has been treating for years and seen a lot. You are my car doctor!

[@Antique803]

I had a slant 6 in a pontiac tempest, I believe it was a 63 or so with a 4 speed. This was in 68 or so. It was fast as hell. It was amazing.

[@georgewetzel4380]

Who put the slant into the Pontiac?

[@bobc.5698]

People who always suggest HEI over points and bigger motors over the slant six don't get the mad scientist thing. I suggest to them go get and electric car.....they are fast.

[@crautoguy8384]

Just Tuned in watching videos of testing tune earlier you think ? advancing that cam help pick up some Down low grunt. I have built a bunch of 22RE toyota rock crawlers These are s 4 bangers stick shift rigs with Multiple transfer cases so Heavier fly wheel the better. To get maximum torque inertia energy to get up over rock but in underpowered 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder applications. I've found that advancing the Cam Could help Just a suggestion. The only Slant 6 I ever drove was my dad's truck that I Stole every time he was out of town when I was in high school I glued a WD40 straw on the speedo cause I broke the Speedometer needle off trying to roll the miles back on the Odometer. Is it work really good. I told my dad about that When I was in my thirties I know you're Mr. Mopar and you can't find gears for the rear . Don't send the lightning God To strike me For saying this but you could go get a Toyota 2 wheel drive 1 Ton 5 lug 8" thred member pick up rear and get whatever gears you want And it will be extremely strong From pick apart and super cheap.

[@kramnull8962]

Thanks for putting in the work Tony. Perhaps the reason you do these lives and Q&A sessions to pay the power bills. At the same time, you face the nation, unlike any politician hot rod channels that cry at will on your channel.....

[@Redneckairflow]

What about a 4.0 build for plan z? Idk about fitment but would be interesting to see

[@tomstrum6259]

Convenient thing 'bout n/a Slants is ya can Test & Tune down Main St without Breaking any Laws !!

[@johnmccabe4596]

Vavles have stretched, or seats are sinking , makes for less spring pressure at close and open .

[@tonguemyangus2664]

We've been having issues with bad plugs out of the box. Champions are the worst about it, but we've seen it in all brands.

[@superchargedt-bird5304]

Tony, the front forks on your mini bike are on backwards

[@kramnull8962]

Hard to keep you Ford guy's attention when not talking about a 300 i6.

[@superchargedt-bird5304]

@@kramnull8962 lol. I'm really a Mopar guy, just can't afford em. 300 sux, I have one. Well 2 if you count the crank pieces.

[@kramnull8962]

@@superchargedt-bird5304 Same boat. Ford, Dodge and Chevy has outpriced me in the v8 department.

[@randoboomer2345]

I found that the points gap can cause what you are dealing with. But it also could be timing. Or you might have to put a alternator on it. The voltage starts dropping in the battery from the first time you start the car.

[@charlesmiller7861]

You need a Dyno in house, ask You Tube.Wished I lived close I would come over and fix it for you, you havent touched on the problem yet, but close. keep looking grasshopper. Hint.....it super simple, your overthinking the problem. Your the best !! Love this question and answer esp.

[@larryw5429]

You running a AFR gauge? Them things are the way to go!

[@reiningslant6withachanceof478]

I thought when Dode Martin & the Dragmaster guys who built a 225 slant six dragster back in the early to mid '60s had run a magneto at one point.

[@leehype]

One of the best pieces of advice I learned when troubleshooting is as follows: "Never trust the last guy who worked on it, ESPECIALLY if it was YOU!!!" You said "it can only be these two parts" two different times. And you trust that coil explicitly. You can't do that. One of those goes bad, or the wire leading to them is bad, and you are dancing around the problem without ever touching the problem. I know you are doing a lot of troubleshooting, and not videoing much of it. I will suggest this. Swap parts from Z to bottle rocket. All of them. Keep swapping until the problem follows a part. And I mean EVERY part, ESPECIALLY the parts your certain can't be causing it. I've had a bad master cylinder cause an engine to smoke badly, never would have figured that out by saying "theres no way a leaking master cylinder can cause the engine to smoke." I actually figured it out from something else, but the point still stands.

[@robv.o.1777]

I have a 2nd gen 225 head that had 120 milled off. Wanted over 9:1 compression. Stock aluminum super 6 intake from a pickup. BBD from a 318 with slightly opened up venturi with polished boosters. Wide ratio 904, with a 4.2 lever.. 3.55 gears in a 7.25. Very fun.

[@tomstrum6259]

Weak Spark always causes engine Misfire...No Misfire == No Weak Spark

[@Toolmaker5491]

Hi Uncle Tony: thanks for the memories, I had forgotten how fun the early cars were. Drag racing today is just to sterile. I drag raced a 68 Camaro in the 70's 327+.030 11.5:1 compression LT1 370hp solid lifter cam fuelie heads 780cfm carb munice 4 speed trans headers 5:57 Gear (if you're going to some gear on it, put some gear on it) Low 13's high 12's. Lots of fun on the street, would light the Tires very well, especially with the headers open. Before watching the video i'd say throttle didn't open all the way. After watching the video, the engine sounds ruff doing the burn out, going down the track it starts to sound better, more heat more pressure, the charge is easier to ignite?? Hopefully i'll catch the video when you nail the issue down. Just one question Do you carry a 9/64 allen wrench in your wallet to adjust points? Again thanks Steve

[@Ripsaw17]

Everybody cracks me up with all this MSD electronic ignition you know what the old dual-point Distributors ran the hemis at almost 7,000 RPM with no issue whatsoever and if they understand how a dual point system work they'd understand it's the only works on one point at a time electronic ignition is not the answer I was thinking maybe because you don't have a charging system on it that your batteries ran a bit lower and you're not cranking the full 12 volts into the coil which may have gave you a week or spark just a thought

[@flinch622]

Man, was class in session in this vid: good stuff. Some people have a perspective problem on advance: when in service, its a system to allow timing to...return to normal - what the engine wants for making power. In otherwords, it could [or should] be called a low speed/idle retarder. A drag car with its higher stall converter has no use at all for this. Zero.

[@davidjames2788]

I love how you say you don’t cross breed, but you literally have a Miata with a slant six.

[@michaelschmitt7783]

Hi again. I am a Dinosaur and you are really a Dinosaur...would love to see you embrace some technology for tuning. For example..wide band o2 sensors for a/f ratio. Easy and cheap w repeatable scientific results

[@michaelschmitt7783]

Not a hater just thinking thru your tuning issue

[@michaelschmitt7783]

Points measurement...u mention feeler guages. How about using your dwell meter so the dwell is verified and noted not just verified...ish w a feeler guage. Remember u are showing the viewers how to do this stuff....like teacher 😊

[@ianshaw8273]

Accel yellow coils are oil cooled and must be run upright or thay over heat. And I've run some small inch motors that liked to just stayed off the line not loaded up

[@TheGforcead]

If you got an aftermarket Camshaft it could be advanced 2 degrees or something like that. Factory cams and Lunati are the only cams grounds straight up. You just answered the cam degree question, you said its 4 degrees advanced, I am watching the video, but if you think its straight up and its actually 2 degrees advanced on "0" with you advancing it 4 degrees its really advanced 6 degrees and thatwould cause the pistons to be out of synch with cam timing. Also you have two valves that are open when you cut it offso one Intake and one exhaust rusted and are pitted on the face and that would cause two cylinders to not have correct compression?

[@ericforsberg6542]

My guess would be an internally shorted spark plug due to cracked ceramic..

[@antistupid9096]

Maybe the points mounting plate isn't grounded good enough where it pivots thus can't carry enough current

[@rle1020]

Get a draggy so you don’t waste your time going to the track and find a issue. It will save you time and money.

[@TheGforcead]

My truck did the same thing when I had the alternator wires backward (the two field wires) yes, you can put them wrong if the plug gets damaged and you have only two wire ends. My 1990 Ram 50 you can't buy the alternator field wires plug so I had to put two reguklar wire ends, it would get weaker and weaker as the battery was going down, just like what you got going on. Maybe the SIZE of the wire isn't flowing enough electricity??

[@mongo64071]

Maybe the slant 6 can be the subject of a mission impossible 2 project.

[@smogtech17]

Oil drag could be a problem. I’d switch to a Full Synthetic 5w30 to get rid of any friction drag.

[@TheGforcead]

Did you scrape the welding flux off all six of the distributor contacts? I do it on my daily driver and its like a screwdriver tuneup every time I take the cap off. ALso, need to weld the oil pump gear to the shaft, the smallest peice of grit will cause the gear to spin on the shaft, they pressed on, really need a dowel pin or weld to hold the gear on!

[@ronnie918644]

THANKS TONY !!!!

[@stevenmcinnis8105]

What would the dyno chart of this engine look like . Peek hp peek torque rpms

[@tomstrum6259]

Without engine Misfire Symptoms, Any Ignition related Problem would be Spark Timing related issues.....

[@DavidMiller-gu1cn]

Go od morning could be a lean misfire,sometimes will fool you sometimes.(just a though) David

[@VigilanceTech]

I want to see closeup video of the vacuum gauge at all stages of operation.

[@ninjajunpei1984]

Could the coil currently on it have something in it that is failing? It may still do ok up to 4k rpm but as the voltage demand increases it falls on its face? To keep it simple, why not try another Accel coil you have? Just my two cents. You know your setup far better than I do by any means.

[@Jim-ic2of]

"I blame Society" Repo Man 1982ish

[@matttanti9043]

You should look up the Australian pacer 225 engine good power from the factory

[@domenicscarfo1866]

Can you put a small alternator, or a 16v race battery.

[@battlestar7779]

Uncle T - is it possible, that the valvetrane is suffering from weak valve springs at higher rpms ? This might explain the consistent plug readings for all the plugs, (after a test session) showing no lean or fouling plugs - after all , you say it revs up to a certain point, and then falls on its face. Just a thought.

[@whiteboycustoms3931]

i had a 81 diplomat same problem it is the top and the bottom have shifted from there correct clocking that roll pin is bent old dodge tec told me it was a very common problem on a 225

[@sewing1243]

Am I correct in assuming that if the distributor cap was mis-indexed to the distributor that would be the same as the timing being mis-set by however many degrees advanced or retarded it was off? If yes would that show up if the timing was checked with a timing light? I wouldn't think that could be more than 10 degrees +/- from the planned timing. With the mechanical advanced locked, vacuum advanced disabled, and the distributor locked down in the correct position would that possible error range cause the issue being seen with the engine? Or will that misalignment act differently since the contacts on the distributor cap will always be some fixed distance out of alignment with the rotor?

[@WiSeNhEiMeR-1369]

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[@drfrankensteinscreations]

Thanks for all your great insight. I wish there was someone like you out there for Oldsmobiles. I made a comment on the last video but i was pretty late. Could it be the battery getting weak? You said you let it idle for a while, could it have gotten low on voltage? I've had cars fall on their face when the alternator went bad and the battery started discharging.

[@jimgarrett5144]

No charging system, you're already a couple volts under, a few thousand volts on the top-end you're missing, battery voltage drop is my suspicion, anytime I lost an alternator it never ran right on the way home😮

[@davecroucher732]

Always interested to see what can be done to a straight six, POWERNATION have had outstanding results with a Ford 300 inline six

[@michaelschmitt7783]

Hi..theory for you..are those rings seated yet. Didn't you just rebuild the engine and go right to the track w car on trailer?

[@allankwiatkowski9086]

GOOD JOB ON WILLY

[@thomassymber]

Left field….solid or hydraulic lifters? is there a possibility that you’re losing oil pressure to the lifters? Oil psi reads fine at gauge, but is finding a crack or loose plug on the way to the lifters.

[@donthompson2188]

About that converter, what if the stator is bad or the sprage inside doesn’t lock?

[@backroadsbass7174]

Sorry Tony but that 6 is not going to make enough top end power to support a 4500 stall . I bet after the auto and stall absorbs all the hp it’s not even putting 120 to the wheels

[@TheGforcead]

I really believe you need an alternator, you trying to make Fire with a Battery, you need the amperes the alternator puts out to get optimum spark, thats your problem, car always runs better with the alternator outputting. Your battery was going dead. You beating a dead horse working on all that stuff!! Put the alternator back on it!!

[@deanstevenson6527]

Normally, when I have a problem, I get extensive psychological help from people I don't like. Like peeps with PHD's. shrinks, therapists and mental health people.But then I cheap out and Consulate Frank Zappa🥝✔️