Underrated large mouse? Corsair Sabre RGB Pro and Wireless Review

[@TheTechne]

100% agree, this mouse is a hidden gem that many passed up on! I still keep one on my desk.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

For sure, I was surprised it was this good but pretty much never see it mentioned. It is quite large though and the bigger market is definitely in the Viper / G Pro X size range, so kinda makes sense.

[@Hefhfbbdsnokrkendncbc]

One, pfft not twelve pathetic.

[@BlizzGMX]

@AmpEdition same here. Large hands and this mouse is the only one I use now after trying many.

[@marcelbrummer5098]

​@@RocketJumpNinja time for you to get into mouse reviews again.we want some chinese aliexpress mouse reviews like VXE R1 Pro,they have all sorts of mice with paw 3395 and paw 3950 sensors.we don't care if you keep repeating yourself..we just want videos

[@reverseflesh5422]

just FYI: the reason you get better response time with Button Response Optimization OFF is because the toggle is inverted so on = off and off = on

[@Bl4ckWarHawk]

Thats not confusing at all

[@ghoulbuster1]

wat

[@TMKM]

Logitech: moves on from from g pro to superlight Corsair: *hey, look, we've got a g pro wireless competitor!*

[@floriansteiner9628]

Finally a good review most people just hated on the mouse without valid points so thank you :D

[@zetachaox]

One important note on this mouse it's that its a great multitasker, very comfortable for day to day browsing and work but still great for gaming. Also the non pro version is like 5 grams lighter and all you're sacrificing is RGB

[@stefanvoda489]

Thank you that you have started making more in detail mouse reviews. I'm really happy for you that you have started making moves in the mouse industry and I hope you'll have more successful mice, but I was really disappointed when you said you'll take step back and make short video reviews. Your feedback is really appreciated by the community and has been extremely helpful for me, and I'm sure for a lot more people. Of course making detailed reviews on every mouse can be overwhelming, but the direction you are heading with making full-reviews on mice you really appreciate or find interesting is really welcomed!

[@KNDCHV]

I have no interest in this mouse, I just watch cuzI love mice reviews with your soothing voice Zy.

[@smiIingman]

It's the best shaped mouse ive ever owned, perfect for my large hands and deLIGHTfully light to use. But ive had 2 so far and the 2nd just went back to through RMA because both had scroll wheel problems where it would stop working randomly or double clicking or not clicking at all. Such a bummer corsair cheaped out on it because i genuinely love this mouse and now i have to find a similar one... I hope to god corsair makes a v2 with the same exact shape but improved internals.

[@yayo685]

Same here, i have 21 x 11 mm hands and this thing fits very well. I ran into the same thing my first one randoly died and the 2nd one is double clicking and the scroll wheel died. I just openeed mine up and replaced the encoder with another 14mm one from Huano and some Kailh GM 4,0 switches. Also some new mouse feet too from corepadz. Working great again. This mouse i will say is super easy to take apart especially compared to Logitech ones.

[@smiIingman]

@@yayo685 I shouldve done that instead of sending it back since the shop isnt selling them anymore. I already bought a Glorious Model D Pro which is by far the closest thing to the corsair sabre in terms of shape and the coating of the glorious mouse is 100% the same as the corsair so it has a very familiar feel.

[@bitffald]

Just wanted to thank you for making the best gaming mouse ever, the mz1 is such a solid, responsive, comfortable and extremely good looking piece of tech, you improved my gaming experience a lot! Thanks zy 👍

[@szuliq]

I feel like Zy's comments on mouse shape overall improved after he designed his mouse. :-) They are more in depth now in my opinion.

[@JuL3r]

The mouse feels really good in hand, I like the shape a lot (21x11 cm hands). I ordered it two times already, both my copies had rattle, so I returned them. Build quality seems to be an issue.

[@RobertMoreno97]

Did you get them off Amazon? Looking into getting one off there

[@sportler777]

Dude how you like it now and what games do you play? I got the exact same handsize as you and I use claw grip so It would be nice to see what someone with samw hand size will say

[@JuL3r]

@@RobertMoreno97 yes I did.

[@JuL3r]

@@sportler777 I returned both copies, because of quality control issues. I'm a palm grip/ relaxed claw grip user and for me the mouse felt really good.

[@Rubindy]

@@JuL3r weird i have also 21 cm hand with long fingers and the sabre felt way too small for me with a relaxed claw today at the electronics store, the logitech 603/703 felt better also the kone aimo remastered, shapes are just personal preference it seems

[@MNSixSix]

I'm still rocking this mouse. I love it. Definitely using until it dies. Had an issue where clicks wouldn't register sometimes , but just re-inserting the usb reciever fixed it.

[@dobiloru]

Glad you back to a bit longer reviews

[@Crusher91]

Glad to see full reviews again! keep it up

[@55knifedamage41]

2:54 that's some nice looking texture glass underneath the mouse! Noice!

[@helljester8097]

Just got the wired version on sale last month, it reminded me of the first Microsoft intellimouse I bought when it first came out. Happy to see the solid performance was not just my imagination.

[@sorushnadery3417]

hey man. I want to buy it as well so I gotta ask any issues with it so far?

[@helljester8097]

@@sorushnadery3417 so far so good no regrets but I don’t use the 8k polling rate all the time, even on 1k the mouse feels great to me. So I don’t if there are still games that have compatibility problems.

[@vsmkame]

I must say that after an infinity of mouses, I finally found the one for me. I always loved the IE3.0 but the weight was a problem. This mouse so far have been perfect.

[@AINGIRY]

It’s so hard to admit this is actually my new main mouse, something I would never of expected! So underrated honestly.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Yeah agreed underrated, was hoping to change that a bit.

[@Catastrophyz]

@@RocketJumpNinja I want to replace my Deathadder with this! :D TY

[@Ignifaxus]

I recently tried this mouse at Target store and I found it to be very comfortable, it is now my top 3 mouse for long gaming sessions.

[@betocampos]

Finally a wireless light big mouse for my hand. Damn, I've tested so many and can't find one that fits until now. Just've ordered after seeing this video. Thanks.

[@waldolemmer]

Thanks for demonstrating those options and testing the latency

[@cinnamonoa]

for the most part it's a great mouse, but it does slam click quite easily, tbh both corsair mice I've had have had problems, but atleast the mouse wheel didn't break within six months like the original sabre I had. edit: didn't realize the software fixed the clicking issue, i'll try it out

[@phobiedufromage2433]

Imo its a great mouse to palm for large hands its hard to find something not heavy

[@knuttella]

any feedback on this? i plan to get one but don't want it to click every time i lift it off and put it back on the mousepad

[@c0ntrol619]

mice not showing anything above 1khz is a common issue with that software, you have to uncheck the "current rate" checkbox for the true polling rate to show up

[@N1h1L3]

Thanks Rocket Jump Ninja for all your very informative video's, I'm working my way through your (affordable) top list after having played with a semi broken G403 for the past 5 years. I got the wired Corsair Sabre RGB Pro version today. No rattle on the mousewheel :) I preffer the shape of the G403 with my normal hands but that may be just my experience in the first 5 minutes. I noticed the mouseclicks when dropping the mouse down or tapping it like in this video. I'm no fan of having to install software to fix that design problem. I got it cheap so I still may keep it as a backup. And holy smokes .... VERY BRIGHT RGB out of the box. I'll be receiving a wired XTRFY M42 tomorrow to compare. Looking forward to it :) Wireless Logitech G Pro X Superlight is next in line to test. I want to at least have one wireless gaming mouse.

[@JamboNessy]

Great idea on using a 1000FPS camera and not a reaction time test to test a mouse's latency. Measuring latency by pressing mice buttons together makes no sense though. Whichever mouse takes less force to click will always activate first.

[@SweetLittleRnRoller]

Thanks, Zy. Your videos help me when I feel down.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

It's easy to feel down in these times, seems like the whole world is losing its mind. Sometimes it helps to retreat into small pockets where things still make sense. Hope you can take a break from the chaos and find your own little slice of paradise, no matter how small and seemingly insignificant it might be, as long as it matters to you, that's all that counts. You need some time out. Movies, books, games, videos, music, something creative, anything you can enjoy. Hope things improve

[@SweetLittleRnRoller]

@@RocketJumpNinja Thank you! I really appreciate this. There is so much good vibes going on in all the content you create. When my own little bits of paradise fail, I find these videos refreshing, especially coming back after a month or two of not being up to date. Glad to see you uploading regularly. All the best, mate.

[@SuperDavi5]

Corsair is so hit or miss with their stuff, but when they do good, it's quite good. I got this mouse and have been enjoying it a bit. Not much to complain about from my experience. Definitely prefer this review over a certain other review, this feels more in-depth with a balanced take on it overall.

[@ahmadfodeh3413]

Their keyboards is always top notch, their other products are a hit or miss that's true

[@BloodmoonPyke]

But they really stepped up their game. From gimmicky mice and hedsets to a very very nice mouse (I'm pretty picky when it comes to mice) and the HS80 max...they are definitely on the right track!

[@SuperComicAnimation]

Got this for 40$. I dont even have large hands but this mouse is the first one that doesnt cramp me up gaming. So light compared to my others as well! Good review

[@CreedK]

I tried it out in search of a replacement for the G403 and I personally hated it. The buttons, texture, glossy bit, etc all had a really cheap feeling to them. The nearly flat left side with a super flared right side felt really weird and if you thought the G403/703 or larger Zowies were large, this thing felt enormous and unwieldy to grip for some reason. The GPX and MM711 were the only ones to come super close to replacing the 403, but ultimately neither were as comfortable and that's not something I was willing to sacrifice just for the dramatically easier high-degree turn flicks that come with weight savings.

[@ericwright1488]

wow my xtrfy m1 arrived today. it was love at first hand. playing cs since 14 years, i felt comfy with the rail since the first second, great product, dont need to watch mice reviews anymore, thanks haha

[@RocketJumpNinja]

What have I done! 😂

[@ericwright1488]

@@RocketJumpNinja just go ahead and improve headset quality =) and then there are garbage gaming seats aswell, just to mention it =)

[@atomolson5697]

Wow! Talk about a high quality video! Thank you so much. Killer!

[@siemprepalante773]

Hey, Ninja. Great review. I'm waiting for mine to arrive. Initially, I wanted the Nightsword but since I don't game using K&B, all those extra features might be wasteful for me. Thanks. Enjoy the new year.

[@eXSPLY]

I had the wireless Sabre and really liked it, I had to return it because the wireless 2khz is actually spoofed by sending a packet with no movement data, great clicks tho,

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Oh that's what that's about, I couldn't even change it while I was testing so I was just like "ok, interesting I guess?". These differences are so tiny they barely matter. Seemed to perform well in game at least!

[@MekaniQ]

Oh?

[@eXSPLY]

@@RocketJumpNinja I had an extended and somewhat painful back and forth with them about it, they lied repeatedly that an update was coming that would make it “real 2khz” After that the take away was that it was functioning as intended, not “real” 2khz wirelessly but still should be some latency benefit, cool mouse but over constructed, too many parts making up the shell so it creaks, it also cut out a lot for me too Heading in the right direction though hopefully

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Yeah I'm glad to see so many positive changes. My copies seem pretty well made, maybe they're refining the tooling? Think I'm about 7 months late to these and companies generally try to improve stuff after the first batches.

[@happymeme1329]

Can’t wait to see the viper mini ultimate review when it comes out

[@GotDamBoi]

Found a wireless version for 40 bucks today! Giving it a try over my wired Model O for a bit.

[@TheSpudHunter]

Quake still the best game to test mice out in. Quake Forever

[@Hateroz]

I'm not gonna lie, I often watch the video for their production quality, not for the mice reviewed. The only review of yours I'll maybe watch for the mice itself would be for a Razer Viper Mini Wireless (which I'm desperately waiting on...)

[@mntmx1865]

Dude same for me, that kind of mouse could be easily in top 3

[@StarcraftSwarm]

Looking forward to your g303 shroud edition review ! :)

[@colebertram8482]

He's back

[@chrisbenn]

80g is still "behind"! BUT In Denmark this mouse is the same price as the G Pro Superlight! And the G pro Superlight is just a better mouse...

[@tetoqx]

wooah nice. since 6 month a longer video from zy. i know you have a lot to do but your videos are so good to chill and come down...

[@zacharybishop6595]

Just like how Razer pulled a 180 with their keyboards, Corsair has pulled a 180 with their mice.

[@davidtran5709]

will you be reviewing the wireless G303: Shroud's mouse?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Yes, should be getting one soon!

[@GabeIG]

Damn this looks like a good alternative to some other ones i've seen

[@orm2799]

Great review! I can't wait for your G303 Shroud review.

[@InuArao]

Picked this up on black Friday gotta say it's the most comfortable mouse for me since I got big hands

[@sorushnadery3417]

hey man. I want to buy it as well so I gotta ask any issues with it so far?

[@InuArao]

@@sorushnadery3417 still going strong for me 7 months!

[@gdbjrsghyrfvbht1237]

The thumb flare is disappointing, it looks like it could be interesting for deathadder fans but like you said, it spoiled the pulsefire

[@Ellipsis115]

8:36 Firstly I want that measuring tool he has in that quake terminal? But also this is good advice, I should be trying to change sens in my games or dpi in my mouse slightly whenever I get a new mouse 24cm/360

[@yorgash2193]

Any plans on doing review on the new G303? Aside from the MZ1 this is the one I like the best. I think I like irregular shapes...

[@HollowRick]

He said he will be doing a review on twitter but is waiting to get one

[@yorgash2193]

@@HollowRick thank you, and I think this mouse does need way more time getting used to than your regular mice, so it'd be okay if he used it a bit more before reviewing. Though iirc zy's really a fingertip user, and this is a very well defined claw mouse

[@oes2546]

Bump test is likely won by mechanical advantage… If one switch is 10% lighter, it’s going to register first even if the latency is worse.

[@timmackinnon]

Hey I haven't seen you review a corsair mouse in a long time!

[@zialfps7038]

two copies of that mouse had a loose scroll wheel for me. Corsair can't figure out their mice QC to save their life. One was from Amazon, the other was from Best Buy. Maybe they hammered it out in later batches, but I'm never trying this mouse again.

[@Le_Mon9]

Thinking of getting this for use for gaming on my desktop and working on my laptop since this has a Bluetooth connection so I can just have one mice. Currently using a Logitech G Pro Superlight for gaming and Razer Basilisk X for work.

[@aspect467]

i like the new music zy!

[@Plushychannel]

Hey Zy

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Hey!

[@kent7427]

review shrouds g303 next?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Not sure about next but as soon as possible yeah

[@kent7427]

@@RocketJumpNinja noiceee cant wait then! 😅

[@Catastrophyz]

I bought this with wired and it definitely feels good in my large hands/claw grip. Great mouse. Aiming, flicks are easier because the sensor is placed higher. Thank you ZY♥️🤘

[@sorushnadery3417]

hey man. I want to buy it as well so I gotta ask any issues with it so far?

[@Ali-rw8tr]

@@sorushnadery3417 hey im gonna ask the same question to you? did you brought ?

[@sorushnadery3417]

@@Ali-rw8tr no I ended up buying the razer deathadder v2. Fantastic mouse.

[@Ali-rw8tr]

@@sorushnadery3417 why did you didnt buy sabre? sabre is cheaper here but it has a big risk of being broken and i cant give it back cause im buying from another country. What is your advice and why did you choose dav2 over sabre

[@Ali-rw8tr]

only reason i want to buy sabre is the weight :/ its 70 gram

[@MrScabbyballs]

Looks like a solid option for ambi users. What we really need is Zowie to get off their ass and bring wireless to the EC series.

[@phobiedufromage2433]

they think their mouses are perfect gl

[@MrScabbyballs]

@@phobiedufromage2433 shape wise they are pretty spot on, weight and wireless optoins though....

[@DarKNG]

Yo whats that mousepad? Or is that your desk, that looks awesome

[@KendamaRomania]

You should review the MM731 too

[@CarneAsada_]

Hi Zy, I proudly use your mouse everyday, do you have plans in making an 8000Hz version of it?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Awesome! Hmm not soon, no. We talked about it, but didn't think it was worth it for now.

[@yorgash2193]

@@RocketJumpNinja How about one with no holes? A few grams plus.

[@Sn4p_Fps]

Come on its 2021 and still omron switch and black standard feet

[@MekaniQ]

It's actually good! :D Thank you Zy! And great job Corsair!

[@RocketJumpNinja]

You're welcome!

[@Efkis.]

18x10 hands here and its the most comfortable claw mouse I've used. Can't use it though because of the sensor placement, way too up front and wrist aiming feels too fast.

[@zokuva]

3:12 I hate myself for laughing at this

[@errolbowes5801]

I Love what you do !

[@anhiirr]

at 40$ i dont think i can find a better G305 replacement. The size/shape doesnt bother me. Im going to get one i can always return it if theres any issues.

[@K9sual]

Funny enough I was comparing some of the mice I’ve used (the g502 years ago) and got the glaive pro a little over a year ago. I switched back to it today bc the viper ultimate was giving me pain in the pinky no matter how I gripped it. I really liked the shape of the glaive. I was debating between the da v2 pro and the g703 hero, would you choose this one instead? Thanks (I really liked the flat sides on the glaive) (20.2/10.4cm hands)

[@phobiedufromage2433]

da v2 pro is really good if you dont hate the sharp edges

[@K9sual]

@@phobiedufromage2433 I think I’m going to go to Best Buy and try one out myself. I feel like if I don’t I’ll end up returning it.

[@phobiedufromage2433]

@@K9sual even on Amazon so u can try them during long sessions and you have 2 months to return them

[@K9sual]

@@phobiedufromage2433 Yeah well I felt one of the older deathadders which is similar enough and I wasn’t impressed. The G703 felt great, but the basilisk had the same feeling on the sides as the glaive. Gonna wait for now I spent my money elsewhere.

[@TinmanFPS]

I have hands 22cmx11cm and with a grip style that matches yours. It has been really challenging to find a main mouse. Currently Maining the GPX as its the closest I've found to comfortable. Im considering picking up a bigger mouse but I've got so used to the 60g of the GPX. Even 80g feels like a brick now. So if you had to chose a mouse based on your grip just with larger hands where do you think you would land?

[@TinmanFPS]

@AmpEdition Its all preference my guy. 80g might be a brick to some and a feather to another. Ill for SURE start lifting more though. Great advice lmao.

[@eryk5342]

How about the failure frequency of the main buttons? I myself have some unpleasant story with Katar Wireless and heard a lot of bad stories about Harpoon Wireless omiron switches. (I had double-click already after a month of non-intensive usage)

[@haithus]

G303 and M4 Wireless reviews coming?? I seriously cannot wait for the M4 wireless, interchangeable shell, weight balance, kalih 8.0s, 3370. Have been maining the M4 for a long time and while I perform the best with it, there are certainly things that need updating, mainly the side play on M1 & 2

[@alessandroparadiso6484]

I always used rival 300 as mouse and loved it the pwm3310 sensor and the perfect high humb shape that comes down to the top. I'm in trouble to catch some wireless mouse and I tried a lot, gpx, viper v2 pro, shroud g303 , glorious etc but nothing is satisfacting me, do you think that is this mouse a comfortable but good in performance too? my sizes 17cm x 9cm width palm grip

[@haishawang9339]

in your 360 test for the sabre wired/wireless +viper 8k. Both results show that the sabre wireless (yellow) produce the same result as viper 8k. And the sabre wired (cyan) has a different result both @800/1600 dpi. Not sure why you were saying the sabre wireless is different from the other 2 mice in the video? pls clarify or perhaps im reading the results wrong?

[@markus301]

do you feel better the sensor on the wireless version or is it not noticeable?

[@mr_future]

how do you judge this while comparing with gpw superlight and VIPER ULTIMATE

[@ColonelCoffee]

this might just be the mouse i will buy. Its pretty affordable too. Was looking for something similar in shape to my G403 sicne i got some issues with the middle mouse button and double clicks on the left and right buttons

[@knuttella]

i have a deathadder elite and i like the shape but its too heavy and a bit worn out. i can get the Sabre RGB Pro for ~60$ and the Wireless version for 75$. any advice?

[@johnspartan2096]

At last another palm ergo mouse with modern feature. Good to have an alternative to the da v2. I know there is the rival 5 too, seems like a upgrade of the rival600, any plan to review this one ( I remember the 600 was rank really high). I also hope logitech release a refresh of the 403/ 703.

[@Serkong]

Zowie fk1+-c

[@johnspartan2096]

@@Serkong FK1 is symmetrical shape. I guess you wanna said EC1-C.

[@Serkong]

@@johnspartan2096 nah I prefer that shape, ec has big bump

[@johnspartan2096]

@@Serkong yeah G403 too,for a palm/relaxed claw grip,a bump is better.

[@Serkong]

@@johnspartan2096 maybe, but I returned my ec1-c cuz the shape felt off, too used to the superlight which I originally didn't like xd

[@challengeronrift]

Have I found the one? 17cm x 9.5cm and I palm grip due to my wrist knuckle always red and hurting. Will it fit me ninjaaaaa

[@willrain89]

which version ICUE u were using in this video, mine does not recognized the mice

[@KenjiBiH]

Im going to buy this one and try to compare it to my logitech g pro wireless (so if anyone needs question i can maybe answer it 😅) both are wireless as i have a cat that likes cables XD

[@graham4385]

i need something with very easy to click buttons for league of legends, would this be good or something else around the same price?

[@Kiki-lc3ng]

I will never buy a Corsair mouse until they make the bloat that is iCue 100% optional & reduce the bloated install size!

[@honorabilis1]

have the wired version, the side buttons i had trouble with they didnt work correctly like going back page on website it would just take it all the way back to home page, and the material felt not too grippy so picking it up with thumb and little finger was impossible with out grip tape ok apart from that

[@sorushnadery3417]

hey man. I want to buy it as well so I gotta ask any issues with it so far?

[@honorabilis1]

@@sorushnadery3417 tbh I tried a few other mice like xm1r, g403, g pro x , I seem to aim as well on any of them some just more comfortable to hold than others, g403 I could use all day with no fatigue its just on the heavy side compared to the others, sabre Pro could do with better feet to slide more smoothly and side grips stuck on its nice but I dislike the mouse buttons and build quality on it compared to those others. All personal preferences at end of the day

[@JakGniuz]

I have a doubt, if my PC processor is an i5 10400, could I get problems because the high spec recommendation that Corsair says about use this mouse? They say they recommend an i7 or Ryzen 7, but I don't know if someone with I5 processor has had a problem with this mouse in 8khz

[@agesolo6914]

Wen is the new shroud mouse review coming out Z?

[@pomshy2402]

can i ask what is adapter you are using in video ? I just got this mouse for christmas and it take 2 ports USB so annoying . Been looking for everywhere nothing found

[@Tectectech]

Hi, do you have any slow scrolling issues with this mouse? It requires me a lot of finger's energy just to scroll through Microsoft Word / Pdf etc.

[@bob2414]

is he doing full reviews again?

[@omeralperen6885]

Button Response Optimization On or Off ??

[@ulzzangloverxD]

Is the difference to the RGB version just the lacking RGB elements or are there some technical differences too?

[@EcoChocolatcchi]

I got it for free in a bundle with a cosrair keyboard. Its about 5g lighter (69) and seems to have less duds compared to the wired version based on reviews. The LED indicator on the bottom for DPI mode is still there, but besides that there's no lighting on the scrollwheel, logo and the dpi indicator on the side is removed. If you are interested I'd strongly suggest not updating the firmware in icue as there is a high chance it will brick the mouse and corsair support does not have that specific firmware on hand (wtf?) Still does 8KHz.

[@SceneArtisan]

Does the scroll wheel have L & R tilt-click function at all?

[@ProMolle]

hey there can you recommend a mouse in same shape with the razer diamondback plasma?

[@fatmosasaur1771]

misclicked on this video then realised im actually insanely early

[@jenoh1456]

Same its like being in a store just before it opens.

[@jokr1372]

Can I get the link for the corsair app that you used in the video?

[@Alvin-ic4fe]

is this ok for smaller hands?

[@Alekouzos]

You did no tmention anything regardind lift off distance?

[@einfacharthur]

did you test it with a USB3 controller?

[@Kasspirr]

I have MZ1 and Viper Mini now, and I need to return one cuz I can't afford 2 mice right now. I prefer everything (buttons, softwareless, etc.) on MZ1 but even when getting simmilar results in games and aim Labs, I feel more confident with Viper Mini. Which one to choose?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

MZ1 is a newer shape, takes longer to adjust. Took me 2 months to fully adapt, but it's by far my favourite. But like ... I designed it with a very educated guess on what the shape should be, based on all the mice I've tried, so of course it's going to be my choice.

[@yorgash2193]

I have both, too, got Viper Mini for 25 USD new on Black Friday. I think MZ1 is overall better.

[@Kasspirr]

@@RocketJumpNinja The Fate decided, I lost bill for MZ1 and I don't think I can download pdf anywhere on this site. Anyway, no time for it as I have to go to work and return date expires when I end work. But I think I'm starting to adapt, the only thing I dislike now about the mouse is hump being so high so far back.

[@pedrosoares7273]

Does this have better quality control than Glorious? I have the Model D, love the shape, but i'm on my third one this month!!!

[@RocketJumpNinja]

From what I'm hearing, yes, but it's a smaller sample size on Corsair.