JST-CLIP is still an unparalleled one stop shop for drums. Crazy how loud you can get the drum bus while maintaining clarity and punch.
@ryanshreevedrums2 жыл бұрын
I mixed a hardcore track today and thought to myself “these drums are sooooo loud. But it doesn’t sound squashed”
@neverender23082 жыл бұрын
@@ryanshreevedrums exactly you still retain a lot of dynamics. It’s very transparent whilst also having its own subtle sound. Honestly one of my favorite/useful plugins
@OfAbstract2 жыл бұрын
Maybe someone could answer this question, I enjoy a punchier louder mix, but I heavily enjoy clarity within the loudness, but how does one go about the LUFS requirements for say KZbin, Spotify, etc without losing volume?
@neverender23082 жыл бұрын
@@OfAbstract probably not the most qualified person here to answer this question, however, 2 things are pretty obvious. 1.) Your final output stage on your master needs to be at least -1db output ceiling. You can google search the platform requirements. Also the Lufs which is platform dependent. So for example: -1db on the output of your limiter, and usually between -11 and -14 lufs. Use the loudness meter in your DAW set to measure lufs and match it with the requirement for which ever platform you're looking to upload to.
@palumbotracks99252 жыл бұрын
yess
@5adb0i2 жыл бұрын
I love the T Racks Clipper! Absolutely killer bc you can adjust anywhere from soft clipping to hard clipping!
@SchibbiSchibbi Жыл бұрын
So useful. Thanks
@PetexZen2 жыл бұрын
I love jst clip, but I do wish it had a in/out and reduction meters.
@XRaym2 жыл бұрын
My favorite clipper is Newfrangled Audio - Saturate, it has some unique details preservatio, flexible UI with meters, soft-hard clipping morphing, and autogain compensation. :)
@dannyleftridgemusic2 жыл бұрын
I usually always put a clipper before the limiter on my master buss and always clip my kick, snare and toms.
@seyiiroko15752 жыл бұрын
Me too🔥
@Riffnugget Жыл бұрын
But how did it get so messy?
@IanBeato2 жыл бұрын
the attack on Pro-L 2 does not work as many might expect, instead (as per FabFilter's own documentation) “The Attack and Release knobs control how quickly and heavily the release stage sets in. Shorter attack times will allow the release stage to set in sooner; longer release times will cause it to have more effect.” As far as I know, the main difference between a limiter and a compressor (besides ration) is that a Limiter's "attack" is always instantaneous.
@zuu1701 Жыл бұрын
Can supposed ‘experts’ please STOP saying the ‘attack’ knob on Pro L2 is used to let more transients through. It’s a BRICK WALL limiter!! The attack knob on Pro L2 is how fast the release begins..!!!! It is NOT a compressor. You CANNOT ‘let more transients through’ a brick wall limiter.
@ghastlyshimmer2 жыл бұрын
Everytime a Joey video appears. You know you need to watch that instantly. Love the video.
@symbolic_9132 жыл бұрын
I agree. The way he explains things is pretty well done.
@Basu1172 жыл бұрын
JST clip also works really well on DI's before the amp sim if the DI is not aggressive enough
@Cestariarts Жыл бұрын
I may have a problem, I did not notice any difference between the two first clips 😔
@asthemoon82962 жыл бұрын
Love the JST Clip for individual instruments and drum bus. T-Racks is always on the master tho. Followed by the Sonnox Limiter and its always plenty loud 😉👍
@checkmatenate Жыл бұрын
My dude mains reaper lol boss
@joeymusic Жыл бұрын
You know what’s up 😀
@whosyabobby Жыл бұрын
The limiter keeps the parts that go over the clipper removes them. Perception wise
@k-chill84282 жыл бұрын
First result in a “clipping vs limiting” search and I wasn’t disappointed. Thanks!
@christopherstorrier55607 ай бұрын
I still think Limiters give a more transparent compression with a more original tone, especially on bass guitar...i prefer a FET Boss LMB-3 bass limiter to most other types of compressors...took a while to get the settings right for whatever i was playing but now i get a great clean bass compressed tone that is very transparent without sounding over compressed...maybe limiters work better on bass...though you have to get the threshold & ratio settings right to get a great bass tone...i guess drums are different to compress compaired to bass guitar...a well done video with good info & examples.....
@iamtygar8 ай бұрын
what about clipping a few db and then going into your limiter on the master bus? Maximum loudness and dynamics this way?
@TheKevbe2 жыл бұрын
FYI the first example with drums A is -11.2 LUFS integrated whereas B is -12 LUFS. It's 0,8 of a difference and to me example A sounds naturally better.
@nigelproctorАй бұрын
May not be as loud, but the limiter sounds so much more natural to me.
@timothyforry22222 жыл бұрын
Hey JST , excellent video. This really helps me understand exponentially. Can you do a video on the difference between color and texture in audio?
@OurForgottenWords2 жыл бұрын
I haven't been using them but now I will thank you sir
@ramalshebl60 Жыл бұрын
if Keith from The Try Guys was a music producer :
@42itous2 жыл бұрын
I'm relatively new to the home production game and working with plugins, but I'm old enough to remember when Joey Sturgis was producing records 15 years ago and getting killer sounds. While I have a lot more to learn, I have learned a lot from the JST videos I've seen so far. Thanks for the tips 🤘
@michaelrichardson83432 жыл бұрын
Such helpful information, thanks Joey! 🤘
@sachetsofrelish Жыл бұрын
Got to wonder how you achieve that robotic monotone.
@eXpas04 Жыл бұрын
Great informative video! Thank you for this!
@lewisticknor Жыл бұрын
What a great video and what great integrity. Buying your product. I am an old analog guy and it's finally time to start with the digital limiting.
@yungswampfire2 жыл бұрын
On vocals limiter, on drums cliper 🎚️🎛️
@GeekOfAudio Жыл бұрын
What is that riff at 9:20???? SO good!!
@LucasMichalski2 жыл бұрын
While mastering I always use two limiters (first one sometimes in soft limiting mode). What are your thoughts about using 2 limiters vs using clipper followed by limiter in mastering? Pros and cons of each. Thank you for your time and answer
@matthewjaggers39752 жыл бұрын
I regularly use the Sonnox Oxford Limiter, followed by Pro L2... and if it still needs a bit more control, I'll add KClip 3 in front of both of those to snag an extra db or two.
@driftingmelodies2 жыл бұрын
You are god of audio engineering.!!! Please suggest me a free clipped plugin .I'm broke 😤.
@alvarezgamers Жыл бұрын
Compressors and limiters want to be lazy. Aka use them sparring and use the clippers for power punch and loudness. Baphometrix has a great series on here about Clipping to Zero aka CTZ which gives you a loud mix with lots of punch and impact.
@mariabr89544 ай бұрын
Wow thank you for the educational video! I know using clippers will elevate my mixes now that I know more about them 🎉
@theriffdjenerator2213 Жыл бұрын
maybe your best video :)
@joeferris5086 Жыл бұрын
That music sample at 8:00 crushes. Reminds me of TBDM. Always love those 2 - 1/16s + 1 - 1/8.
@visionary95752 жыл бұрын
3:37 you said you would compare brickwall limiting with clippers, but the settings on Pro-L2 were far from brickwall limiting
@matturner6890 Жыл бұрын
If anyone here is a Reaper user, the built-in saturator and wave-shaping distortion plugs do this kind of thing really well.
@oinkooink2 жыл бұрын
Just brick wall it until there's not a crack in the wall. Slam it baby. The kids LOVE it
@Terribleguitarist892 жыл бұрын
A rare example of the distorted overcompression being used artistically and tastefully was in "Almost Again" by SYL.
@OfAbstract2 жыл бұрын
Maybe someone could answer this question, I enjoy a punchier louder mix, but I heavily enjoy clarity within the loudness, but how does one go about the LUFS requirements for say KZbin, Spotify, etc without losing volume?
@emptyinsiderecords2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to try the JST version but I'm a cheap bastard so I use the hell out of Gclip. It's free and does a great job on drums n master.
@emanuel_soundtrack2 жыл бұрын
do some of you know a plugin that previews the sound on different speakers, like an iphone speaker?
@itswhzly2 жыл бұрын
About to buy De-Clip 2 any discount Codes Joey and the team? :)
@shawnsteven18692 жыл бұрын
so could one clip down into the limiter and then gain up afterwards 🤷🏾♂️😩
@ChiefAmarr2 жыл бұрын
but limiter make the hhats n cymbals sound better when not push hard!
@davidscafidi2 жыл бұрын
using L-316 after ssl comp on the master instead of L-2 but i think i want to use L-2 last in the chain. i cant seem to control L-316 as easily as L-2 when it comes to make the mix loud
@roxasblues82252 жыл бұрын
The guitars of the master buss session was crazy! can you tell me the name of the music?
@kshitijk142 жыл бұрын
Helpful!! I currently use the stock clipper and limiter in reaper on alot of things!
@jerryfick85472 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! I do too. People hate on js plugins because they aren't visually appealing. In my opinion they really work great.
@kshitijk142 жыл бұрын
@@jerryfick8547 yeah man totally agreed,i like those,the saturation and 1175 is good as well°!!
@johnnyafro66592 жыл бұрын
Thanks, wish I would have researched this long ago.
@tomschlaiss573510 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, cheers from Germany
@artist6696 Жыл бұрын
hero
@fretBeastForever2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I used to use Limiter + Clipper, but now I`m using Maximiser + Limiter!
@urielgiovanni18542 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This helps solve my problems producing steady double kick drums.
@alrecks6192 жыл бұрын
Happy belated birthday, Joey! Great information as always.
@DeltaWhiskeyBravo13579 Жыл бұрын
I'm using both. My main track gets a D16 Frontier limiter set mostly to get this track's output to stay in a certain range. On my Master Bus, within Studio One, on the insert section is only 2 things, LVC Clipped-MAX and Venomode Maximal 3. The LVC Clipped-MAX has a shifter section nearly identical to ClipShifter. Next is stereo, followed by M Band, and lastly Master. The Maximal 3 is set to brick wall my output. All the meters I've added into the post section to monitor levels.
@DeltaWhiskeyBravo1357911 ай бұрын
I've now bought the LVC Limited-MAX to use with the Clipped-MAX. I'd gotten a sale email for 40% off from LVC so I got their limiter.
@defmike61710 ай бұрын
Awesome video thanks man.
@Fekesson2 жыл бұрын
At 05:36: Is it really limiting when adding attack time? I mean, the dynamic range is still the same as the loudest peaks are let through and it is not upwords compression/limiting. Im sure I got someting wrong, but this is confusing... Also, how then is the body of the drums brough up when loudest peak is the same but still a gain reduction?! The resulting signal level should then be the same hotter and quieter quiet parts. Best regards Confusius, the confusted confusion himself :)
@Fekesson2 жыл бұрын
But ey, this is the best tutorial I've seen in a long time! Very important part of mixing
@francovelozofabiano15532 жыл бұрын
very cool, never really used clippers but now i certainly will
@strylan2 жыл бұрын
I am sorry but I did not like these examples. Seems like the sound of the instruments will be changed. Which music will have so loud instruments needed.
@joeymusic2 жыл бұрын
What kind of examples would you like to see instead?
@strylan2 жыл бұрын
@@joeymusic I don't make music like this, I like the clear sound and the natural sound of instruments. Not too much compression and only peak limiting, meaning the top of the peaks to get the lift of the sound. But your examples are for sure great for heavy metal
@davidasher222 жыл бұрын
I heard that the algorithm used for hard clipping is basically the same for all clippers. Do you know if this is true?
@jurv76262 жыл бұрын
Yes because hard clipping is one formula Sample > Threshold Sample = Threshold If the sample is greater then the threshold it becomes equal to the threshold, if it's not this it ain't a hard clipper
@davidasher222 жыл бұрын
@@jurv7626 thank you. That’s basically what I was told. So I guess the selling point of a hard clipper isn’t which one sounds better but which one has the features you need like adjustable ceiling, over sampling and just basic workflow. Do you know if it’s the same with soft clipping?
@jurv76262 жыл бұрын
@@davidasher22 what you said about hard clippers are true, soft clippers are a different story, they either have fixed mathematical wave shapes (check out Free Clip) or a softness/slope dial (usually a knee control, the same thing you see on your compressor and on Gclip or the Flatline one) or a softness/slope dial that changes/smooths the fixed wavehape.
@joeymusic2 жыл бұрын
JST Clip has a custom slope
@davidasher222 жыл бұрын
@@jurv7626 I actually use Free Clip. I normally need to use some sort of monitoring after it though because the meters on the plugin are small and hard to use. So I usually through a Pro L on the master bus just for the metering capabilities.
@JustinNogle2 жыл бұрын
To the point and incredibly helpful - much appreciated!!!
@danielk.57842 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for sharing!
@two2ixmusic2 жыл бұрын
ty JS
@hernannieto1 Жыл бұрын
Great video man, thanks !!
@Kiss_To_Da_Sky2 жыл бұрын
What is the name of that last song? 🔥
@kbasemuzik2 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the theme u are using
@joeymusic2 жыл бұрын
Smooth 6
@kbasemuzik2 жыл бұрын
@@joeymusic thank u
@HappyMixingStudio2 жыл бұрын
NICE TIPS !
@miltonex2 жыл бұрын
Greaaaaatt video!!!!! Thank you!!!!!
@GrecoMEMOIREMusic2 жыл бұрын
Been loving KClip 3 lately!
@Allious131 Жыл бұрын
I use both together to bring the best out
@proverbalizer2 жыл бұрын
I preferred a)
@francobuzzetti94242 жыл бұрын
okay but , why to use a limiter or clipper?
@tarasolegov3562 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you Joey!!!
@DuckyDuckerson2 жыл бұрын
So what you’re saying is I shouldn’t put L1 on every track 😂
@jcrocks192 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo same
@AdamShepard2 жыл бұрын
you should try both and see what you prefer
@ryanshreevedrums2 жыл бұрын
Put JSTclip on every track instead 😂
@leandrosilva64142 жыл бұрын
Great Video as always Joey!!!
@melibate2 жыл бұрын
i love you joey
@RJ1J2 жыл бұрын
Not exactly the best music choice for demoing limiters and clippers! Jeez! I get transients are important, but that's not all limiters and clippers do.
@joeymusic2 жыл бұрын
What kind of examples do you think would be better?
@RJ1J2 жыл бұрын
@@joeymusic Just the kind of tracks that your audience makes. Rather than what sounds like a drum solo.
@timothyforry22222 жыл бұрын
@@RJ1J no
@RJ1J2 жыл бұрын
@@timothyforry2222 yes
@jasonmatthew86502 жыл бұрын
Great advice!
@AzureSymbiote2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@jcrocks192 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know the purple plug-in he’s using? That shows the differences in the wave form
@AxonRiseMusic2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's a plugin, I'm pretty sure it's just a screen capture/screenshot after bouncing the track with the processing of the clipper or the limiter on it and then some editing in the video production to give it some elegance
@jcrocks192 жыл бұрын
@@AxonRiseMusic no it’s a plug-in someone mentioned it in another video where he was doing it and I looked it up found it but my dumbass didn’t screenshot it and now I can’t find the comment anywhere lmao
@AHmusic2 жыл бұрын
@@jcrocks19 It's Oszillos Mega Scope
@jcrocks192 жыл бұрын
@@AHmusic god youre a lifesaver!!!! thank you!!
@HolaPanda9722 жыл бұрын
I believe there is a technique to turn the PRO L2 into a clipper.
@urielgiovanni18542 жыл бұрын
Great videos! It’s awesome hearing a topic covered by an artist with my favorite “sonic palette.”
@growlxxxtendo41522 жыл бұрын
i like clipping for a more digitized music but if im doing something more raw i like limiting