Frame data gif: / 678705677141991430 Long boring lecture. Twitch stream: / brian_f Twitter: / bri4nf
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@stupidstickchild256 жыл бұрын
Oh man this gif is still being used XD. I'm the actual creator. I believe I made this for SC4 almost 10 years ago. I'm just glad to see it still helping people.
@MishimaTyler5 жыл бұрын
Thank gosh for this gif, I think fighting game developers are missing an entire group of people playing games just by making their games confusing asf. Not that I don’t think they should be hard, but this should be explained in games.
@soupboy-yn8oz4 жыл бұрын
:)
@petergriffin37904 жыл бұрын
Very nice for the basics of any fighting games
@VideoJinx.2 жыл бұрын
Hey did you make anymore gifs like this? Ide like to see the frame data for other moves too
@evilshinobi77125 жыл бұрын
I think this is what will finally help me understand and be able to play fighting games properly, thank you.
@MegaBreez37 жыл бұрын
All this time I thought I was crazy and I just didn't understand that I was doing things to early. This really clears up why in my head I was seeing moves connect but not registering. I was Waaay to early. One of if not the best videos on frame data hands down. I seriously got a eureka moment watching this. Good fucking stuff my guy.
@atumhotep8334 жыл бұрын
I play 3rd strike. I have the 3rd Strike mook from 1999. That graphic is wrong for Ryu. That is far standing jab. 4 frame start up, 3active hit frames, active on frame 5, base recovery is 4. In the mook it reads like this 4/3/4 Advantages on page 45 for Ryu read like this. +4/+4/+4. Gaurded/ Hit standing/ Hit while crouching.
@VandalHeart3835 жыл бұрын
WTF? I've been playing SF since Super NES SFII Turbo. I thought I was really decent until people started talking frame data. When I decided to see what's this all about, I'm greeted with Math Fighter V. This blew my mind. It's so complicated, but also intrigues me to learn this to be a better player.
@Vaith5 жыл бұрын
it wasn't me officer i swear i was framed i thought it was + on block!!!!!!
@JiBbo7 жыл бұрын
great work!
@fifty5six67 жыл бұрын
Great Video. One of the better frame data explanations out there. I finally have a video that easily explains frame data and meaties to my buddies. Thanks for saving me the breath Brian!
@MarkNante3 жыл бұрын
Very good video. Few questions still remain for me, especially regarding the priority system. What if both players connect in the same frame data exactly, while also using the exact same punch? For example 3 start-up frame light punch? Who gets hit? Both I assume?
@Brian_F3 жыл бұрын
Yes if the moves have same priority and hit on same frame, both get hit. It's called a "trade"
@skytentheknight32944 жыл бұрын
This is following along with meaties and set-ups: if the attack does not connect do you account for recovery frames
@trilodroid36284 жыл бұрын
6:15, if you have a 3 active frame move, and "normally +3 on hit" you can also be +4 or +5 on hit if you hit with later active frames. AH HA, Urien's weird should tackle charge explained.
@trilodroid36284 жыл бұрын
18:42 good example of hitting them on last active frame to make a new combo
@dagg96992 жыл бұрын
you are my stfv sensei, thank you for that man.
@trilodroid36284 жыл бұрын
2:45 the first frame of active overlaps the last frame of startup.
@shinzeamon55267 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! Definitely subbed!!!! Was interested in Necali and Balrog and this channel has all the techs that I need to improve!!
@TonyTouch8317 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on block stun and frame traps. Im a beginner and I want to know what my options are when I do safe moves.
@MakoraNi-7 жыл бұрын
very informative and well explained Video, nice
@xvs86757 жыл бұрын
Great video, but a couple questions: 1. Why do you decrease the total frame count by 1? Is that an SFV specific thing? Because I will be applying this knowledge to Netherrealm games. 2. Say you know stats of the opponent's wakeup, so you don't have to framekill to figure it out. Why not use a 4 frame startup normal LATER into the wakeup? Instead of whiffing, it would hit right? You just wouldn't be using those other frames prior. Thanks in advance.
@xvs86757 жыл бұрын
Okay, okay. Helps a bunch. Thanks!
@mikehawk83857 жыл бұрын
So I've asked a ton of people "Does Startup include the first active frame?" and they always say no, but your graphic would indicate otherwise
@mikehawk83857 жыл бұрын
god bless :')
@mikehawk83853 жыл бұрын
@@j0habba It do be like that, I believe I was getting confused by some tekken frame data sheet when I wrote that. Bless up
@mrosskne Жыл бұрын
I'll be sure to implement this while I'm stuck in an infinite combo in the corner
@anomrac215 жыл бұрын
Nice... I'm building a game with fighting elements in it... I want the fighting system to be like an SF fighting game without so many Special Moves... I'm studying the frame data in SF to try to replicate it in my game. Super helpful, all that's left is to figure out how I should implement it. Thanks bro this helped a lot.
@luraundo22937 жыл бұрын
I gotta remember to meaty when someone tries to do a wake-up grab, but whenever I see my opponent with 1 CA bar or more filled, then I need to block to be safe and Punish them.
@lonewolfsx71356 жыл бұрын
Awesome breakdown
@lennarthoekveen9339 Жыл бұрын
Do startup frames always start the first frame after inputting the button?
@kaleidoslug7777 Жыл бұрын
Assuming your character is in a neutral state, yes. If you're in a non-neutral state like blocking though they will instead start whenever you enter that neutral state
@SampleMehard6 жыл бұрын
Amazing man. Best I have found for this can you link more... Or do more?
@darklesslight57463 жыл бұрын
great video, wish there were more like these, thank you sir
@trinichinee64265 жыл бұрын
Love the vid man Real in depth 👍🏽
@thecrimsonpugilist7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this!
@jochoaaguirre7 жыл бұрын
Nice video man, keep up the good work.
@shikamaru5267 жыл бұрын
The graphic is slightly incorrect. The advantage of the move is +3, and +4 on late hit
@HatsonFGC7 жыл бұрын
Hitstun / Blockstun is applied on the same frame you hit with a move, not 1 frame afterwards. When a move connects, appropriate hitfreeze (when the game freezes to help with visually confirming things in fighting games) is applied immediately. However, canceling into a move begins on next frame, as you can't hit with move X and cancel into move Y on the same frame, the cancel starts on the next frame. Example, before Season 2, Nash's st.MP was like this: 6fr startup, 3A, 13R: +2/0 It had 18 frames of hitstun, and 16 frames of blockstun. When canceled, this move would combo into HK Scythe (17fr startup), but not LP Tragedy Assault (18fr startup). That is because, the move hits; hitfreeze goes into effect (game freezes on that frame, hitstun is applied), and he buffers the cancel into HK Scythe / LP TA, the hitfreeze ends, and the buffered moves startup immediately as the next frame starts after the hitfreeze. Effectively what that means is; You have to factor in that cancels start on the next frame (You can see this by just viewing gameplay frame-by-frame), so if a move has 18 hitstun, it's only going to combo into cancels 17fr startup or faster (assuming it can cancel immediately, some moves can't, but that's an entirely different discussion and balancing mechanic all together). But in Season 2, they added 2 frames of recovery on Nash's st.MP: 6fr startup, 3A, 15R: +2/0 The frame advantages were kept the same meaning it now has: 20fr hitstun, 18fr blockstun His st.MP can now combo into 19fr startup moves or faster (if canceling into them), this includes LP TA, which he couldn't combo into via canceling before in S1.
@HatsonFGC7 жыл бұрын
The thing is, I've seen many people explain it like the graphic does, and in the end, it doesn't really matter which version you use, because all that's really happening is you're moving the info by 1 frame, which doesn't really affect the overall results of that move itself. Like say a move has 5 active frames and 12fr recovery: 0/-3 You could say that it applies hitstun/blockstun on first frame: 17 hitstun / 14 blockstun Or you could say that it applies hitstun / blockstun 1fr later: 16 hitstun / 13 blockstun Neither one affects the results of the move being: 0/-3 And say you were canceling into a 16fr startup move, it would make sense at a quick look how both of them would combo into it. The version I told you about is just a tiny bit more complicated (basically assume -1 when knowing if a move can combo into something when canceled, similar to how when counting total frames of a move). Some places here and there use either version, it's not really important which one you go by, the final results will be the same overall depending on how you read it.
@HatsonFGC7 жыл бұрын
By the way, great video! A bit lengthy but pretty good introduction to Framedata / Oki.
@blackoozaru19167 жыл бұрын
fuck, i love you for this video, why anyone explain this things like that? i want to jump in to the lab right now and try myself how to do it. Thnx so much man!!!!! btw, almost master league =)
@streetdreamz80563 жыл бұрын
i think its pretty crazy how good ive got without even thinking about frame data. props to all that have hit warlord level using this data tactic cause this would take some serious studying to master every little number and amount of frames for each technique. good stuff man
@motivationtheory6999 Жыл бұрын
U on the ps5 bro?
@streetdreamz8056 Жыл бұрын
@@motivationtheory6999 yeah iam My street fighter id is Str8_Nightmare84 hit me up
@motivationtheory6999 Жыл бұрын
@Street Dreamz oh snap! Bro do you get this frame data? Stuff? I'll add u in like 30 mins
@streetdreamz8056 Жыл бұрын
@@motivationtheory6999 no i dont, i just play off of feel.
@thatguy88415 ай бұрын
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@franciscodiaz8826 жыл бұрын
I was wondering why I can't win with m bison .I guess I'm stacking to fast.I always get blocked
@bradastrike85865 жыл бұрын
New stuff to practice
@39dill3 жыл бұрын
love this
@kjkh31045 жыл бұрын
I dont unserstand the frame kill moves. Why do you have to frame kill? Cant you just.. Wait the frames out? And do the attack abit later?
@Brian_F5 жыл бұрын
The frame kill gives you the exact same result every single time, 100% reproducible. If you try to eyeball it the odds of getting hit by wakeup button is high. Also, if you do the right frame kill, you can hit your move meaty and guarantee new more damaging combos. Also I think this video covers why you want to do this stuff lil
@MetatroN1979244 жыл бұрын
Frame kill is based on the concept of setplay.
@jbass19866 жыл бұрын
I've seen frame data for balrog and it says like "KD 22/27/71" what does that mean?
@Brian_F6 жыл бұрын
Joshua Bass that probably means "knock down" frame advantage. Quickrise/back roll/no recovery. Back roll is always 5 more frames of recovery than quick rise
@jbass19866 жыл бұрын
Brian_F ah that makes sense thanks for the info!
@MRSTU1210 Жыл бұрын
Well good subbed
@saifalbarwani98007 жыл бұрын
finally I get it
@bk-wi3wo6 жыл бұрын
Sf just became an algebra class lol
@MetatroN1979244 жыл бұрын
Always fighting games was algebra,from the age of ssf2t,in the past we did't have access to framedata and it was supposed from many that didn't existed or didn't played a role back then.I was not knowing what framedata mean till the age of sfiv,this doesn''t mean that i haven't used in the past,it was empirical visual knowledge back then,you made things that worked without knowing the reasons behind all the concept.
@fXoKDM4 жыл бұрын
How to tec grabs man
@Neruk016 жыл бұрын
Ty a lot
@unclewreck79017 жыл бұрын
Aye Brian this is Getwrecked, the Urien player from yesterday I didn't rage quit the Game got disconnected due to Dem survers sorry fam
@luraundo22937 жыл бұрын
Alonzo Rountree Aren't you that diamond urien player who beat LTG and got dissed by him?
@unclewreck79017 жыл бұрын
My little brother Calviry, yes this is his big brother
@unclewreck79017 жыл бұрын
My brother Yes, this is his older bro
@ryansizemore50645 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't blame you even it was for a bad connection. Its the definition of an unfair fight.
@latinodro96387 жыл бұрын
this is confusing ????
@gustavodfs36 жыл бұрын
idk is this?
@Justakid557 жыл бұрын
Brian...hi
@Poizesto7 жыл бұрын
my life is now complete
@felixmorales69863 жыл бұрын
As a fellow street fighter player who has played since street fighter I will say this.never and i mean NEVER was there any explanation nor mentioning of frame data.you just recognized attack patterns of the said character that player is using.now I'm not going to lie after even this explanation I'm still a bit lost.is this what street fighter has become.math?
@Brian_F3 жыл бұрын
Under the hood this data has always been there. Once you "get it" this frame data just helps you understand things faster. Not required at all but it does help you immediately know how to punish moves
@tdbreiker11525 жыл бұрын
I need a explanation in spanish 😢😢😢
@lostoni84334 жыл бұрын
I would like to do it for you but is pretty long as you can see with the length of the video
@tdbreiker11524 жыл бұрын
I c 😢
5 жыл бұрын
do these even work in online matches? all these frame calculations mean nothing if there is a slight lag.
@Brian_F5 жыл бұрын
I always use frame kills in online matches. In fact, frame kills are even more accurate online than eyeballing because you dont have to rely on your eyes to judge things. Make sure your setup is actually frame tight in training mode, practice it, then take it online
5 жыл бұрын
@@Brian_F alright, your fast reply convinced me, I will practice some :D
@medievil23 жыл бұрын
Too much work, plus I was never good at math, very informative video though.
@Sladeofdark4 жыл бұрын
I wish i could play SFV, but I can't stand the pay-to-play format of the latest releases.
@Lukexxxxxx4 жыл бұрын
please remove the repeating background sound. it's annoying
@michaelkeelingmodalsurrealist Жыл бұрын
Speak up. I can barely hear you.
@GojiraLink7 жыл бұрын
You should try to remake this video and not have the personality of a shoebox. pumpumcityISDD top kek sorry, love ya B
@BlackMagicKush3 жыл бұрын
What the fuck dude I was just watching your most recent video on Seth and I searched "how frames work street fighter" and this is the first video that comes up. Good shit lmao