UnderTheMayo RESPONDS - Elden Ring / Ultrakill / Charity / and Big Ugly Lies

#eldenring #ultrakill
We'll be moving on after this.

[@underthemayo]

Everyone, this is the last I'll be discussing this. You can link to this video if needed. I don't want this stuff to poison my work, I don't want to obsess and be referencing drama in every video. So, this is it. And going forward I'm remaining focused on what I love doing here. Tune in Thursday for a big video on classic resident evil!

[@bullsbulls3358]

The only one poisoning your work is yourself dude

[@decas5505]

If you want to know who truly is poisoning your work just look in the mirror

[@Auvisome]

@@decas5505 job application

[@IshCaudron]

@@decas5505 if you read your own message a couple of times I'm sure you will feel that sweet taste of toxic sludge on your tongue. Just saying.

[@siddharthshishulkar8992]

Don't pay attention to the haters and keep up the good work. I disagree heavily with you on both Elden Ring and ULTRAKILL but it doesn't matter as they are opinions. People either don't know that or are just being ignorant and disingenuous.

[@jonissues1914]

The bad thing about your Elden Ring stream was the constant complaints in a game you already knew you don't like, that makes a very uncomfortable time for the viewers watching you. It's like you invited all your friends to your house to watch a movie you don't like and you can't shut up about how bad it is for you, so boring.

[@Deunstephe]

That is.. exactly what the point of the stream was. He said that in the video. Is it on him for announcing the stream through the Community post and drawing more people "not in on the joke" to it? Yes, and that's fair criticism to say that was a bad move. But complaining about the stream itself when it's exactly what his viewers who donated for it wanted to see is not, because they got what they paid for. Everyone else is free to leave.

[@jackofastora8962]

@@Deunstephe Look at the chat; They we’re actively trying to give the guy help and tell him how to actually have any sort of fun but he kept getting genuinely mad because he didn’t want to do it

[@phephemigi]

"You guys are trying to get me to engage with this game in a way that will make me like it. I am not going to like this game" In other words, You guys are trying to get me to enjoy the game, but I refuse to enjoy the game.

[@Q3VyaW9zaXR5YnJvdWdodGl0YmFjaw]

@@jackofastora8962 did you even listen to what the man said? Quote: "No amount of exploring the world or engaging in more combat or leveling up my gear is gonna change how I feel about core aspects of games like this" He does not like souls-games, his suffering was for the amusement of the ones watching, you are trying to force him to like a game he can not have fun in. I don't like Assassin's Creed games because of their tedious missions and tasks and the immense world exploration, are you going to tell me how to have fun in a game I don't like also?

[@jackofastora8962]

@@Q3VyaW9zaXR5YnJvdWdodGl0YmFjaw If you’re live streaming it and actively complaining about how it’s the games fault you aren’t having fun, yes. Nobody forced him to play that game, nearly no one wanted to see him just whine about the game for hours. He literally refused to even learn basic mechanics of the game and whined about how it wasn’t fun; If you’re trying to play assassins creed like it’s call of duty and complaining that the game is too difficult, yes, I am going to tell you how to properly play the game.

[@TuShan18]

My question about your ultrakill criticism is why would a new player rely on the pistol? I think most new players would use a different weapon the second they pick it up because it's something different. A lot of games do this when you unlock new tools and abilities. Most players will try to use that to see what it does out of curiosity. Why argue so hard about that, when players try new things all the time when the new thing is available to them? Especially because anyone would get bored of just using the pistol, even though they have a shotgun too. Edit: I feel like this comment got out of hand, and started arguments, which wasn’t the intention. I understand the point more now, so I got what I wanted. Even though I still disagree with it to an extent.

[@deliriumthewaifu7030]

He's just a bad game journalist, understanding his logic is a waste of time

[@TuShan18]

@@deliriumthewaifu7030 everything else I can understand. The joke charity, the drunk elden ring stream that got out of hand, even the fact that some people don’t like criticism of their favorite games. I don’t want to just brush off and call him a game journalist for those reasons. Especially since I think this response is alright. My problem that I wished to ask him is this insistence that new players won’t want to experiment on weapons naturally, or why they wouldn’t look up KZbin videos to learn more tech just like in doom. Also, when he opened his video by calling out ultrakill fans, he basically made an enemy out of them by making fun of them. I can forgive bad jokes, we all do them. I just think it was a bad call to enter it like that. Especially since doom fans (or fans of anything) are exactly the same. Ultrakill isn’t much different. He seems to think otherwise. Those are my issues. I guess I won’t be getting an answer, which is fine, I don’t expect one since he wants to move on. It’s understandable. I just don’t get why he insists on dying on that hill.

[@glue-eater300]

mayo never said "this game sucks because everyone overuses the pistol." he said "the pistol shouldn't be able to be relied on at the start of the game, because it might stunt the player's ability to learn later." that's it. it's a simple criticism but ultrakill fans seem to be so far up their own ass that any form of criticism on their game sends them into a blind, frothing rage. no offense

[@TuShan18]

@@glue-eater300 none taken I guess, but when given the shotgun, why would players keep wanting to use the pistol alone? You get another weapon very quickly. Why would they overly rely on the pistol when acquiring both weapons does different purposes? The pistol is longer ranged and has a slightly faster fire rate, and the coin toss once unlocked makes it easy to hit weak points without needing to aim at the enemy. The shotgun deals more damage consistently, and causes more of a blood splatter, so it’s easier to use that when you’re low on health. Something that can happen often since projectiles are so fast. Explosive shots also make it easier to deal with groups. A new player might quickly figure out how these guns have their uses, and switch them out depending on the situation that they think they need them in. I guess I’m frothing at the mouth by being confused where this idea came from that new players don’t want to play around with new stuff for the sake of it being new and possibly interesting. If they do find it interesting, a play style starts to develop from there. Especially when they figure out the tech. But I guess I offended somehow. Please excuse my incredible rage inducing question, hoping to better understand something that I was confused about.

[@glue-eater300]

@@TuShan18 because not everyone plays shooters the same way as you. sure, you might experiment, but some players will pick up the charged shot and keep on using it until the game forces them to figure something else out, which will happen way too late, so it'll be extremely frustrating to experiment. im just tired of all these mayo haters calling him the worst reviewer on the planet because they disagree with him

[@dragonriderabens9761]

Frankly, if you have to pull the "it's a joke" card, either it was a really shitty joke or it wasn't actually a joke Either way, doesn't look good

[@underthemayo]

You're right. I should have made the joke more obvious when I portrayed fans as people who would kidnap critics and force them to write positive reviews under threat of murdering their children. It definitely wasn't an obvious enough exaggeration. Should have gone further and put a big "this is a joke" warning over it.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

@@underthemayo ah yes, responding to criticism with sarcasm and doubling down that looks SO much better on you

[@glitchyjoe64]

@@dragonriderabens9761 touch grass kid

[@SolonGaming]

@@dragonriderabens9761 Calling the joke shitty is criticism now?

[@zanepidgeon4077]

@@glitchyjoe64 so you don't have an argument against this then?

[@ThePsuedo]

I checked your Ultra Kill review and I kinda sympathize with you to an extent. Before playing Sekiro I always wondered how people found the fun in character action games. If just spamming the basic attacks in the game is enough, what's the point? Then I got good at Sekiro. Good enough to beat the bosses without dying. Then I thought to myself. Can I push this further? Instead of just being reactive, can I be the one to push the pace? Then I started experimenting more with the game's mechanics. Finding more ways to get hits in, running after bosses instead waiting for them to attack me, using different prosthetics to help build posture and keep the pressure on. I remember fighting Lady Butterfly. Having her absolutely terrified and pinned in the corner. Unable to even get one of her illusions out. Complete domination. I was the boss and I felt like a god!!! Then I understood the appeal of character action games. Video games aren't just about solving the problem the developer put in front of you. Can you master it? How far can you push this game mechanically? You have to be an intrinsically motivated player though. And I don't think you are.

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

To progress in Sekiro you have to get good, in Ultrakill you can dominate without having to engage with the game's mechanics. You don't die, there's nothing forcing you to master a technique to progress, you just finish the level with a B rank and go onto the next one lol.

[@SolonGaming]

That's not how all character actions games are. Some make sure to lead you through their mechanics properly so when you start experimenting with what suits you, you already have a taste of the fun zone. In Sekiro, feeling like a god was appealing because you got destroyed by the boss many times and you finally manage to get back to it. The process of becoming a god was a slow and miserable trial and error waste of time, which is terrible for people that are busy and have no time with pointless tedious experiments. In Devil May Cry 3 and 5, the game kind of guides you properly so you can constantly feel like a god, to the point that you get used to it. Playing Sekiro with an internet guide, gave me the godlike feeling results way faster. If only the game had a proper way to teach you instead of relying to guides, i would have found it decent.

[@antonego9581]

i mean Doom Eternal is very similar to Sekiro in the sense of mastering the game, and Mayo obv loves that game...

[@aRealOne9894]

@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer do you like... Reread your own comments?

[@ThePsuedo]

@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer like I said, I was already good at Sekiro. Just beating the bosses wasn't enough for me anymore. I wanted to dominate. I assume you've played Sekiro? Remember That 2nd Genichiro fight? Eventually you'll get good enough to respond to all his attacks and fill up his posture bar. That's great but you can also be more proactive and put the pressure on him by being braver and using different prosthetics to help close distance. He will start back-peddling and trying to put distance between himself and Sekiro. And that's just the basics. They're different ways to deal with some of his attacks, instead of just deflecting The end result won't change but the pace and feel of the fight will be different. And that's something that's only possible once you start experimenting a bit I've seen people do crazy stuff with prosthetics.

[@HOFxBoards]

Watching you say Elden ring is boring and then watching you proceed to go around and hit trees might be the funniest thing I’ve ever seen

[@Fooflinger]

"Explore?!" *continues to stand in the same spot* "What do you mean?!?!" *goes up and swings at a bush* "Is that what you guys mean? Is that exploring?" I bet if someone told him to imagine he's finding bobbleheads from Doom he would've explored the whole damn world.

[@Stupididiot67]

Don’t get how he didn’t know what to do. Elden ring was my first fromsoft game and Even I understood. Varre says go to storm vale castle, I go there margit kills me a bunch before I decide to go explore cool stuff I see in the distance then I level up and kill him

[@chadnorseman655]

@@Fooflinger Bro are you people really this clueless? The example you gave clearly illustrates he was partially trolling to entertain people which was the point of the stream. While he is not the biggest fan of open world games typically he obviously knows how to play them. Red Redemption 1 and GTA 4 are some of his favorites but I doubt you knew that.

[@kkensaa]

@@chadnorseman655his ultrakill review in question

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

​@@chadnorseman655 Oh yeah, he was joking. That's why he didn't explore at all in his almost 10-hour stream. He knew how to play the game, he just didn't want to and then complain that it was boring.

[@GabrielDunacea3089]

He was not joking, just trying to save his own ass. Wish he would just man up and admit that he was having a bad day just like we all have. Pretty sure everyone would forgive him and continue watching his videos and being subscribed to him if he’d drop his ego just a little bit instead of defending what is obviously just him being a jerk.

[@banes4908]

He isn't trying to save his ass you dimwits. It was a small charity stream and some fan gifted him a game he knew doesn't like to watch him suffer. His streaming fans all knew this going in. Its like you people don't even understand the concept of hate playing for entertainment something Angry Video Game Nerd has been doing for his whole career. He wasn't being fully serious or actually trying to review the game. Mayo was also exaggerating his feeling to entertain people. Mayo haters than used fake drama and took 9 hour stream completely out of context too get clicks and its pathetic.

[@HAWKEYESOLO]

Yup.

[@panbanan3254]

i wanna se him in p-2 with his goofy ass basic revolver

[@carlosbustos8096]

​@@panbanan3254in the ultrakill video someone said: "do p-1, it forces you to change to more indicate weapons!" And he said "no cuz its optional lol"

[@mrtimurer]

Mayo, you made insulting jokes to ultrakill community on purpose as you admitted. Why are you surprised when everyone turned against you?

[@chadnorseman655]

He thought they were light hearted jokes that people would assume are just jokes but apparently Ultrakill community is filled with sensitive manchildren.

[@mrtimurer]

@@chadnorseman655 A good part of the video is just doing the same objectively unfunny bit. How is that "light hearted"?

[@-Nihilus-]

@@chadnorseman655 Mayo is literally sensitive himself. He can give out shit but can't take anything because he's a coward. That skit is one of the corniest things I've ever seen

[@frozezone2947]

@@-Nihilus- Mayo is not sensitive stop bullshitting. A skit is a skit, it can be corny or funny depends on individual

[@Purone4050]

@@frozezone2947 average mayo fan

[@whoogh]

what if you just stopped playing games you know you don't like instead of playing games you hate and then whining about it, it's genuinely so annoying

[@glitchyjoe64]

unsub then

[@711ramen]

@@glitchyjoe64 it's kind of fun to shake your head before scrolling down.

[@AgentYellowWang]

@@glitchyjoe64 said the guy who go around telling people they can't take criticism.

[@chonkycat841]

because someone literally gifted the game to him bro did you even watch the video

[@salt5537]

I recommend watching Dunkeys video on game reviews, you can’t just review games that you like, you have to sometimes take a chance on a different game and have ur fans see what u respond to, it’s what makes Mayo a unique game reviewer because we know what he likes and don’t like

[@Schizm1]

Everyone is wrong and mayo is always right. Boo bad community! - The video.

[@scragglie]

the irony of your absolutist comment is so fucking crazy, seek therapy

[@everrunic8375]

No it’s just fans in general being sensitive af about the game they love.

[@STOPPEDINCOLORADO]

@@everrunic8375 The irony is that you can sum up the Doom Eternal community like that too lmao

[@valerianos8635]

@@STOPPEDINCOLORADO You can sum up any community like that. So whats your point?

[@STOPPEDINCOLORADO]

@@valerianos8635 I said my point.

[@anecro]

This addresses 2 things, the charity goal(s) and the Ultrakill joke. But about everything else I've noticed post-Eternal is still present. There's issues beyond these things that haven't been addressed and something tells me they haven't exactly been noticed, which is disappointing. The Elden Ring stream had other problems not addressed here. I didn't even notice people were pulling that PS5 point at all, I was more flabbergasted with other parts of the stream. The Ultrakill "joke" was based upon, well, trolling or pissing people off and it got that reaction. It doesn't matter how extreme things sounded if they sounded believable enough after the complete insanity people have come to expect from a lot of KZbin channels that are 100% genuine and being made fun of, I don't see why they'd get it with this one and truthfully I didn't either, it just seemed like a bad video. It's just a lot of small things that come together to form divisive takes and reviews on games, of which very little is clear-cut, sometimes contradicted and easy to misunderstand at least. A ton of KZbinrs are creating reviews and rants on video games every day that include personal opinions and hot takes, yet you don't see them get that response. No one likes drama alright, so I hope all this dies down soon even though I'm probably peacing out altogether slowly from this here KZbin space. I'm not really picking a side since this happened thanks to a lot of sloppyness from both sides. Everyone brought this upon themselves, one way or the other.

[@JamieGJones]

Well said. Also I listen to your videos when I work out.

[@exquisicy5429]

drama never dies

[@choty7066]

The thing is. Everyone likes drama. It's fun to watch crazy shit go down and that's why you are here watching and contributing

[@lean1860]

Really the only reason this drama exploded was because of his piss-poor review of ultrakill, while it was the highest rated game on steam, which understandably set all of the community off, personally I'm against under the mayo.

[@anecro]

@@choty7066 No one likes drama unless it's to fit in a group that's making fun of someone. I'm not getting a kick out of that in this particular situation, this is a KZbinr I used to watch. I am aware why I'm here contributing and it doesn't have to do with getting enjoyment out of seeing this go down, it's a tiring and avoidable situation that isn't even fun anymore, this has been going for quite a while. People liking drama and taking part in it are two completely different things.

[@Vzeallous]

Open minded at first? You were literally already complaining at the main menu lol I'm a little late to this but Jesus I'd be embarrassed acting like that in front of people

[@chadnorseman655]

Bro the stream was partially trollish and meant to entertain people. It wasn't serious. Please touch grass.

[@Walamonga1313]

@@chadnorseman655 "It was just a joke" the defense of everyone caught lackin

[@vizor4067]

@@chadnorseman655 Lmao What a pathetic excuse. If he wanted to do a troll stream, he would've atleast made it funny or entertaining. That was just pure spite where everyone who watched just got either annoyed or bored.

[@chadnorseman655]

@@vizor4067 Just because something is not entertaining to you doesn't mean people weren't entertained. If people were bored and annoyed why did people keep donating to watch him suffer? Its like you people don't understand the concept of hate playing to entertain people. The man was literally drunk and obviously playing bad on purpose too lol. How earth do you people keep thinking he was being deathly serious?

[@vizor4067]

@@chadnorseman655 the mere fact that he even addressed it? what kind of troll would even make a video addressing issues and these kinds of discussions so it's either he TRIED to be a troll and failed, or he was absolutely serious during that stream

[@maxmay2151]

Your not a very eclectic person are you Mayo? Your never saying something is probable or there is any doubt... once you make your mind up on something (which you do rather quickly based on how your impressions barely change throughout a game) thats it its locked in and your correct with no room for compromise... I bet your great fun to be around in real life.

[@polygondeath2361]

Pin of truth

[@Radscorp]

It's a real shame he never goes outside because it there's not incentive of him to do so, he's a self sorry piece of garbage who goes into damage control the moment one of his bad takes get any criticism. It's just another quantumtv situation where he's acting like a fucking child, gets called out for it, than blames everyone other than himself and hides behind a charity to deflect the criticism.

[@elverkongen2515]

"I bet your great fun to be around in real life." Probably more fun than your reddit-sounding ass

[@Nightflyermike]

@@elverkongen2515 said the default profile nobody

[@elverkongen2515]

@@Nightflyermike Default profile? That's a complement.

[@David_Ace_Rej_Ollsan]

Grab your popcorn, people. It's drama time.

[@Andy2kk]

Lets see how is he going to justify the Elden Ring stream

[@BrochachoTheBro]

I love the part where Mayo said "it's drama time" and proceeded to drama all over the place.

[@josedorsaith5261]

He sounds more sad than anything. Bit worried he's falling into the trap of arguing with detractors, getting distracted from doing what you enjoy (that people watched you for in the first place.)

[@frostedmczk]

@@bevanmcnicholl2525 his fans asked him to play elden ring because they love watching him suffer in a game he doesn't into. He said it in the video. Did you even watch it tho?

[@whirligig_saw]

can you hear it? its the gurgoling of a good drama stew boiling right here boys

[@just_a_fire_hydrant]

Clicked on a apology vidoe and never heard sorry once

[@underthemayo]

Lol cause it's not an apology video.

[@goldberg91]

@@underthemayo it should be

[@djeka415]

​@@goldberg91it should not

[@frozezone2947]

​@@goldberg91 What's there to apologize

[@goatygoat2709]

Under the mayo the type of guy to compare Rocket league to Doom eternal

[@jonissues1914]

"The game should have lava in the ground because is not forcing me to use turbo to fly because I can do points just playing on the ground and also I think the game would be good if they recharge my turbo when I destroy my opponent's car, that would force me more to play in an agressive style, so yeah, make this changes and the game will be good, you are welcome devs"

[@banes4908]

@@jonissues1914 Actually his favorite type of game is Resident Evil 1 which is slow paced survival horror game but its nice to see Mayo haters have zero clue what they are talking about and just watch clickbait videos from pathetic youtube channels purely dedicated on attack 1 guy lol.

[@chadnorseman655]

Rent free. His favorite game of all time is actually Resident Evil 1.

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@banes4908 Agreed these people are sad.

[@runics8052]

@@banes4908 The dude literally complains when games aren't fast paced, sure that were the ones who know don't know what were talking about?

[@IRules2244]

Soooooo… his excuse was “chill down bro, it’s a joke”. Also, we listened to your review. We listened so Much that we saw even more contradictions than we would have seen before. Also, you haven’t even disproved any points; you just complained that you took criticism.

[@iloveorganicchem6921]

What? What about his elden ring stuff that he received the most criticisation for

[@IRules2244]

@@iloveorganicchem6921 I’m only mad about the unfair review of UltraKill. I never watched the Elden ring stream

[@williambirksiii9455]

Bro, it's a game. He can say what he wants about it. Go outside if it upsets you.

[@mrwhitesam6917]

The responses of his review are justified by the poor review he made even if it was a joke, since he also has a tendecy to compare games to doom and disliking them

[@SolonGaming]

The joke was about the community acting like mafiosos, he meant everything he said about the game

[@Bobobo-bo-bo-bobobo]

Bros mad bc people exposed him for being a clown

[@banes4908]

Exposing him by lying about the entire context of the stream and using clickbait titles to get views? Lol ok buddy.

[@banes4908]

You can hate Mayo all you want but his haters are even bigger clowns. Imagine making sock KZbin channels just dedicating on attacking 1 youtuber.

[@RedKnightOfficial]

@@banes4908 You probably also supported Maximilianmus when he got called out for being an abusive troll lmfao

[@banes4908]

@@RedKnightOfficial Imagine comparing Mayo to Maximilianmus. Imagine getting soo triggered by someone at video game opinions you make sock youtube accounts purely based on attack the person. People like you need to touch grass.

[@RedKnightOfficial]

@@banes4908 Chill response.

[@dev4159]

Honestly, for me, ur ultrakill reviews didn't looked like total jokes because you sounded too serious, and it seemed like u were mostly mocking it and the community for loving too much the game that isn't all that things they say the game is. Even if it was exaggerated, it did sound too serious.

[@underthemayo]

The format was a joke. The opinions are real.

[@darkspiro6467]

@@underthemayo your just a person who is full of double standards your opinions are meaningless go away

[@drewpaupanekis4710]

@@underthemayo I don’t think it’s a good idea just to hate on communities just because you didn’t like a game. Hating on communities just for the sake of hating, is just not cool.

[@MatthewCobalt]

@@drewpaupanekis4710 I agree. Being incendiary towards a community just because you dont think their game is worthy of all the praise is just painting a clear target on yourself. Saying it's the whole joke after the fact does not nullify the fact it was unambiguous taken straight by even the most casual of viewers.

[@TheDiamondjaws]

Just play doom, doom guy.

[@DatAsianGuy]

I have to say I still heavily disagree with you on elden ring. Sure, you don't have to like this high/dark fantasy setting and all that, that's fine. but I have seen some of your stream. "I'm only one percent into the game, yeah. and that's been three hours" Not sure if this is the exact quote, but you had such a heavy bias with the game, you didn't do shit. you basically stood in place and did nothing. and then complained about being stuck for 3 hours in the same area. you didn't explore any of the dungeons, did any of the little side quest that are in the first area. you basically sat there... and did nothing... You didn't try to engage with the combat system or made very little effort to do so, you called the world bland and boring and that it looks like other fantasy games. Point to any fantasy game with the same art style as elden ring. There is pretty much none. See, most people's problem with your elden ring stream was how incredibly disengaged you were. you complain that the game is not interesting, while you basically just sit in a spot and do nothing. For someone who basically learned and tested out every mechanic in doom eternal, you were extremely stubborn to learn anything elden ring had to offer. edit: I respect a lot of your opinions on a lot of different games, often I actually agree with many criticism you had on games I personally loved and enjoyed, because I could see the flaw in those games. but you simply not engaging at all with the game, then having the audacity to call it boring. to call it bland and what not.. it sounds extremely snobby to me. My only advice would have been to refund ER and give the guy his money back and never promised that in the first place. but you did it play it and you should have actually tried to play it, fuck, you could have asked one of your viewers to play in co-op with you. helping you guide through the game or something.

[@Eggy_The_Egg]

wasnt he drunked off his ass

[@homer886]

TRUE!

[@keonkla]

Thats what alot of the parasocial boys with no father figure in the comments need to understand sucking up to MAYO. He did nothing but brought it onto himself. Now he thinks "responsding to peopel who dislike me is a waste of time" Then why my guy are you making another video? He needs to just man the hell up accept the L and maybe just ingore the trolls like every other youtuber has to deal with. What mayo is dealing with is nothing special that not everybody else who makes content has to deal with. The least he could do is stick by what he says but he is to fragile.

[@Junya01]

Based comment

[@Rizzo91]

He wasn't interested in the game, get over it. I love Elden Ring, other people don't, it's gonna be ok, I promise you. Not liking a game doesn't always have to be something logical.

[@SourRobo8364]

I can't help but notice you haven't addressed the criticisms about your video on style meters.

[@underthemayo]

I stand by everything I said in my style video.

[@SourRobo8364]

@@underthemayo Gotcha. Still won't admit you contradict yourself.

[@trustworthyh3ro267]

@@underthemayo Most of us in the know don't have an issue with you as a person, nor in your taste in games. Some people are even blowing this stuff out of proportion and even comparing you to DSP. (which is untrue until we see something crazy in the future) But that video and only that video is one I don't understand how you both argue "for and against" what is by all means a scoreboard. Whether its at the end of a level like all games, a window on the side of the screen, and a tab you'd press to see your K/D. And you've shown that it worked on you as a player creating a mental incentive (Any video after that has just been reflections of that same one with the same poorly flawed script) I could go in major detail again but what's the point. Your not gonna read this one if I make it too wordy (even as it is now). Nor the one I poured thoughts into almost a year ago which is practically an essay. All's I ask is if you could just stop contradicting your points which completely counters your own argument literally seconds after the other ended. And stick to your statements. Most of all, do just one more day of research on some of the games just "ONE" please. Then we won't feel a mixture of Anger and Confusion. At least then its bearable that don't you like a game.

[@SourRobo8364]

@@trustworthyh3ro267 Well said. The guy could do the bare minimum and at least admit he messed up or contradicted himself.

[@bartoszkrawczyk5921]

Couldn't care less about Elden Ring stream. But you still miss the point in ULTRAKILL. 1. New player experience point is so bad it actually hurts. New players are told to use other weapons, because EVERY TIME you get a new weapon you are placed in a situation you can use it to see the positives for yourself, which encourages you to use it. After getting the shotgun you need to use alt-fire to progress, realizing it makes a big boom, and then bunch of husks rush you so you can mow them down. After getting the nailgun, Malicious Face spawns, and you can see how fast it goes down if you throw a mag into it. Railgun literally forces you into a corridor where you cannot miss, and the Style meter goes straight into S. You don't need obnoxious tool tip that tells you "HERE IS A WEAK POINT. USE THIS WEAPON TO EXPLOIT IT" to learn a weapon is good. 2. Yes, prelude is kinda easy. It's almost like it is the start of the game. This is like being mad that in OG Doom E1M1 is kinda easy, but by the time you get to E2 things start to actually become challenging. It's called 'difficulty progression'. 3. I swear, you simply cannot ignore style meter this much. Because that's the thing telling you 'bruh you are doing something wrong' when you just run away pistol spam. Be it either not using other weapons that might be better than pistol for the situation, or getting hit too often. It serves the purpose of measuring if you are doing alright, and hard damage reduction only serves as a positive feedback loop. 4. Your jokes weren't funny. That's why they were taken badly. People like Yahtzee can get away with viciously mocking the game they review even if they like it - because his stuff is actually funny. 5. Nobody said you think ULTRAKILL is a bad game. People did say you want it to be something it isn't. Seriously, ULTRAKILL is more like Devil May Cry than other shooters. Trying to make it more like other shooters by adding ammo would fuck with that, just like adding ammo to Ebony&Ivory in DMC3 would. Tl;dr Hakita is right when he says he is glad other people don't design his game, because it would suck.

[@fwamable394]

The start of the game is 0-1 not 0-2,0-3,0-4. Difficulty progression should not take an entire chapter to start where it should have started at level 2 or half way through level 1. Theres a video response with "bad because it's not doom" in the thumbnail. Yes people think he thinks ultrakill is a bad game. People think he hates it. Look at the comments of KZbin videos, twitter post or Reddit replys.

[@fuckso2342]

Bullshit there are multiple videos saying he thinks Ultrakill sucks which is blatant lie for clicks and views.

[@FunkyFreshYT]

To quote Gianni (Literally the voice of Gabriel); "You need to rank up your fucking style points!"

[@sagittarius5114]

@@fwamable394 The full game is going to have three Acts, each one consisting of three layers. First two layers have four stages, with layer boss in the last one that can take some time if it is first playtrough. Last layer of each Act has Crecsendo, very difficult, long stage that has everything that was in the Act, and before it. Then theres the Act boss whos gonna mop the floor with you if this is your first playtrough. So i think Prelude is good introduction to the game. And you cannot defy the fact that OST of Prelude absolutely rocks

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@fuckso2342 That’s a lie because I actually watch them.

[@FireBlueForTheRedSun]

'I didn't call the game bad' queue highlight reel of you calling the game bad for 30 minutes straight

[@gojizard704]

Yea he needs to fucking go

[@banes4908]

No he complained about it but never once called it objectively bad but you people can keep lying to push a narrative.

[@chadnorseman655]

Show the highlight reel than? Oh wait it doesn't exist because he never once called the game objectively bad. Nice try liar.

[@theodorealenas3171]

The exaggerations on your ultrakill videos were confusing. I'm not going to lie. This video feels opposite to the previous videos. But it's nice you said what you had to say.

[@coltonwilkie241]

You made people pay you to play a game you don't like and then spent hours shitting on that game instead of learning it's very easy to digest systems. Please stick to DOOM, that seems more your speed.

[@FunkyFreshYT]

Yeah even though it was a "charity" thing, still it seems very shitty on face value. "I don't like this game, but pay enough and I'll play it" and then just... well you know how it derails. I'd say play the game without asking the public to pay you, that's how most content creators do it (Besides some that only play certain games because sponsorships). I've played a wild variety of games: Driving, puzzles, Souls like, rpgs, jrpgs, shooters, beat em ups, arcades, lego games ffs! I'd be more than happy to give a game a try if someone suggests it, I'm not gonna hold them at gunpoint for a debt or something haha

[@Aries0098]

Still, the issue is that you still contradict yourself on multiple reviews.

[@user-rm6cw2cr1u]

Mayo most people are fine with shit takes in reviews but your act 1 "review" wasn't a review it was a very long skit with no gameplay and you reading of a script and from what you said people got the idea thet you don't know how to play the game and force it with only pistol and you shoulded very smug about it which didn't help you miss to point every time and i hope you can see it and try to understand WHY people where mad at a review thet was a 14 minute skit with no gameplay and acting like it is not only in the ultrakill fandom the doom community can be just as bad if not worst

[@ethangriffin3935]

Good on ya for going through this in a calm, mature way. Gotta say, that "bait" in the Act 2 review was probably best left on the cutting room floor; it gave off the impression of egotism.

[@EILP147]

Because it was

[@johnnybensonitis7853]

The bait was real, though, Griff. Just check out the titles of some of those videos, it's so painfully an attempt to bait Mayo and generate some viewership. You make good shit, though, I've seen some vids you made. You go kinda too hard sometimes for me but I have delicate sensibilities.

[@ninjawiz7932]

I mean, he seems to be upset that a video literally designed to trigger Ultrakill players was hated by Ultrakill players... probably should have seen that coming.

[@VergilDarkslayer]

@@ninjawiz7932 by everyone Seriously i didnt even play ultrakill at the time and he got angry Listen if you want to review the game dont heavily compare it to other games his takes were in maxor quote "Killing fun from the orbit"

[@frozezone2947]

@@VergilDarkslayer People literally compare games to other games sometimes in their own review

[@desko2041]

You gotta admit the mayo% runs are still funny though

[@underthemayo]

It's an honor.

[@Rob77niner]

@@underthemayo > gets joked by an entire community for playing badly and poorly with terrible takes > “its an honor”

[@sammyros6]

@@Rob77niner because it is.

[@Rob77niner]

@@sammyros6 it the opposite of an honor something along the lines of “infamous” but idk im not a word geek 🤓

[@mrmac2340]

@@Rob77niner bruh just let the dude take it with grace

[@Someone0rSomething]

We dont have to agree on the same thing. However ultrakill does not NEED to change its playstyle.

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

No, it doesn't. Prove it does.

[@user-mq1ng6sj7b]

The charity is the only thing I really cared about here personally. I like to believe that in recent years i've grown much more resistant to lies made about people on the internet about doing messed up things, but it's pretty clear I still need to work on that

[@TheRealPetraeus]

When you talked about the 20 defensive and offensive options, it reminded me of my time with Doom Eternal. I kinda just used the Super Shotgun through the first half of my playthrough, but realized I needed to change things up. Starting with the super shotgun and balista, which made me want to use different tactics, like sticky bombs and precision bolt, or microwave beam and full auto. And now I have over 100 hours in Doom Eternal, and it helped build my channel up. I don't know if I would have come back to Doom if I didn't need to quickswap to succeed in Nightmare

[@llamadelreyii3369]

I made a research on this Hakita Guy. The director of ultrakill and i found this. "In general though, I prefer the higher commitment combat of DMC and Ninja Gaiden over the Platinum formula that’s low commitment and very freeflowing." I Just copy pasted what he Said. So in the end act 1 its only that way because the game is not complete and not because of "style meter is the incentive". Hakita seens like a smart Guy and he knows that style meter its not everything. Oh and he completes with. "I personally have more fun when I’m picking individual moves for each moment where I have to weigh their risk and reward compared to the dial-a-combo system Platinum games usually go for, where you can cancel any attack into a dodge at almost any time. At least for myself, I’ve noticed that kind of combat makes me think less about what attacks I’m doing and when I’m doing them." So yeah. By the way i only commented this because It was bugging me. This whole situation and comments about the game philosophy. Now we should wait and see what this IA update Will do for act 1.

[@TheJOBeffect]

KZbinr: *Gets criticised* KZbinr: "Bro, it was all a joke"

[@ceoofgex7552]

when did he say that lol

[@ghoulbuster1]

"I don't like this" HOW DARE YOU!

[@Junya01]

@@ceoofgex7552 that his first video on ultrakill was a joke, despite the contents of that video still harbouring his true feelings on the game. Just felt real antagonistic for no reason. And his reason for doing so instead of making actual analysis like his other vids? He “knew” the ultrakill fan base would be “toxic” so he jumped the gun to antagonise them first. What an asinine argument lmao

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@Junya01 If you feel antagonized over a joke video then I can why he made that video lol.

[@Omeg1]

I think I good way to help with this in the future is to have a bigger section for stuff you like or have it be good bad good instead of good bad so it stays in their mind

[@danielgeronimo5538]

I usually do not like it whenever someone contradicts themselves but I can respect those who makes it clear how their take is their own personal opinion and an honest point of view regarding their experience. One's own opinion does not have to matter or change yours, much like how everyone likes Spaghetti but you prefer fried chicken at the party. And like any sort of preference, once personalized you do not have to rub it in anyone's faces, which is what I like about this channel. I can listen to someone talk about their personal take and preference, sounds about good to me.

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

Yeah, I also don't care about objective quakity, but still say that certain games are good and bad.

[@why_is_this_a_thing]

Absolute Lolcow

[@TekTheNinja]

Thing about people recommending you explore more in Elden Ring though is that you'd constantly say that you don't want to and just want to progress. Thing is, reason why that's not a great response is it's not relevant that it wont make you like the game by doing that. Even still, that's what you're supposed to do. Just from the sheer progression standpoint, beating your head against a brick wall against a boss you're not really intended to fight yet is not an effective way to progress.

[@SourRobo8364]

Imagine acting like an ass when your job is playing a video game to get a new console. That's Mayo's whole personality.

[@FunkyFreshYT]

Some of the things he said in that stream my god, it doesn't' take a genius to go "Oh open world, that means explore, find stuff and I get a reward +dopamine". He had a bitch fit and told someone to tell him what he could do but he basically just said "but i dont want to do that". Theres one thing about disliking a game and thats fine, yes he basically forced himself to play it but through but how he just came off was really douchey

[@dandre3K]

How dare he play an open world rpg how he wants to.

[@anon6181]

Not at all related, but I'd love to hear your thoughts about Hedon. It blew away all my expectations and by the end become my favourite GZDoom game

[@ghoulbuster1]

OgreBOOBA

[@waynedwop4717]

The Elden ring stream was embarrassing

[@leonfrancis3418]

I first discovered this channel from watching you do a takedown on UpperEchelon's matter-of-fact bad takes on Doom Eternal and lack of adaptability on marauders. Now I re discover it from a few other channels doing takedowns on your matter-of-fact bad takes on games and mechanics you can't, or don't want to adapt to. Life truly is cyclical in nature. On the upside you got lots of engagement going both ways, and everybody knows none of this stuff really matters.

[@underthemayo]

Echelon was calling the marauder bad, I'm calling elden ring but saying it's not for me, and saying ultrakill is good i just wish Act 1 was more challenging. That's pretty different.

[@davidson6738]

@@underthemayo nah it is very similar, he’s right, you do the exact same shit upper echelon did

[@CarmeloSantosF]

I used to be subscribed, but then the Ancient Gods 2 awful review got released, then every other review started missing the mark and being straight up disrespectful to game developers. You have lost me.

[@gugbud9054]

This a such a toxic channel/community, in a weirdly passive aggressive way

[@frozezone2947]

Yeah no

[@HAWKEYESOLO]

That might be the best way to describe it. This false persona. Toxicity disguised as professionalism.

[@theduck1539]

bro your video on hyperdemon made me get the game and now im addicted. I CANT STOP PLAYING

[@eldenring_area]

Dude that’s so cool!!!

[@Ryan-lc9lb]

Mayos description of the art in elden ring is like anakins feelings about sand.

[@debashisprasadjena5075]

Nice joke but I don't think so this is the right time for a joke . I have never heard Mayo as depressed as today.

[@underthemayo]

@@debashisprasadjena5075 don't worry I'm not depressed. I'm disappointed and very tired at this point. But this is a weight off my chest and it's time to do something great.

[@bruhder5854]

@@debashisprasadjena5075 lmao gotta love how butthurt you must be to keep sending comment with alt accounts.

[@debashisprasadjena5075]

@@underthemayo good luck Mayo , I am quite excited for the upcoming videos as I am a big fan of resident evil.

[@guacojoznei5133]

​​@@underthemayo you should check cruelty squad, this game changed the way i see videogames as art and entertainment medium, the game has a big focus into turning confusion and alienation into something fun

[@thorveim1174]

I think the confusion between the ps5 donations and charity is because, well, in the video there is no context; we only get the charity mentioned, and the one place where you can donate being the PS5. Still think that you should simply have offered to play something else. Because while you didnt call it a "bad game" you sure went to great lengh to shit on basically every part of it. Same for ultrakill. And sure the first wasnt your thing, and ultra was more a joke even if it didnt come out as one... and thats the thing. The vast majority of people's first experience of your videos was doom eternal with all the advanced techniques videos, where you could say you had a place of authority... the same place of authority you seem to take on the joke video considering the tone. people are just used to more serious, valuable info instead of you going for games where you refuse to engage with any interesting game mechanic (elden ring), be it out of boredom and irritability or not, or not being serious about what you say, like ultrakill. And to be fair, while I can get the elden ring one, I'm still on the fence for ultrakill as to if you just werent clear it was a joke video indeed or if you claim its one now that you received such horrid PR for it for crapping on the very same things you would have praised if it was doom eternal (leaning more towards the latter... and before you ask, no i'm not an ultrakill fan, havent played it because I dont think it will be my style of game but can still recognize its merits from the videos of it i saw), because this combined with elden ring feels like you can just go to hate on a game before you even tried it.

[@Jay_boy19]

Fair points here, but I hope you know that people can criticize your opinions. Also I believe the reason for the overwhelming hate of your video on ultrakill was mainly due to kicking the hornets nest of toxic players. You made it seem like the majority community will persecute you for having negatives. A community will defend themselves when provoked like that even if it may look like they are contradicting themselves. You may have meant it as a joke but it seems clear now there was a lack of context. Context in humor matters sooo so much. I don’t hate you, I like your videos, been watching for a while now, but I just wanted to give my thoughts.

[@gotgunpowder]

So people can criticize his opinions, but criticizing elden ring is verboten.

[@Jay_boy19]

@@gotgunpowder idk much about elden ring, so no? I wouldn't think that it's forbidden.

[@SolonGaming]

He exposed the trash rightfully

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

@@gotgunpowder pretty sure if he actually did critisize Elden Ring instead of whatever that stream was, he would’ve been fine

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

I agree with everything you said, but what do you mean by "toxic players"? Are they "toxic" just for finding so many flaws in what he's saying?

[@di4mgaming115]

You taught me to play Doom. But now you treat your opinions as facts. Its sad seeing you fall, hope this opens your eyes so you can do better. Whats the point of playing games you know youre gonna dislike only to dislike them in the end?

[@frinkygarfunkle9999]

I think the point about the first levels of Ultrakill being too easy could be correct. But it seems that everyone moves on from the piercer. Maybe its because v2 forced them to but I believe curiosity will get a player to switch weapons eventually. The game could probably be a little more thorough in introducing the player to weapon synergies. But in general I don't think it is wise for a game to force a player to act a certain way instead of just giving them the opportunity to act a certain way. Ultrakill has a really low skill floor which seems odd in contrast to its insanely high (and still expanding) skill ceiling. But this also appeals to the most amount of people so the wide skill range is definitely a good thing. I think adding one or two challenges that influence the player to use the coin gun or shotguns in the early levels probably wouldn't affect the game negatively. Those who already switch weapons would do so naturally, and the players who didn't before hand would discover the weapon variety and interaction before v2 brutalizes them. To summarize, I don't think any changes are necessary, but smoothing the skill requirement jump between the first levels and v2 could help some players get settled in with the pace of the game.

[@glorifiedscribbles9761]

Hey, what music did you use that starts at 5:30?

[@skippertheeyechild6621]

Quiet and Falling from the Celeste soundtrack.

[@glorifiedscribbles9761]

@@skippertheeyechild6621 thank you

[@Kantiux]

When someone critiques a game, we expect some measure of objectivity. While it is said that "fun is subjective" if that is true then how do you have good or bad games? How could you even design, or critique a game at all? No, a game's "fun" is objective in a very major way, and given Ultrakill's general popularity I would say that it is objectively fun in some measurable way, but Mayo's review presented that his own subjective mindset was a flaw of the game's design, and that's what ticked people off, his review was wrong in a very objective way, and no amount of "it's just my opinion" after the fact changes that. Under the Mayo deserves to be called out for that.

[@ANGG4R]

As someone said: "The fun you can have with the game is totally subjective, but the quality of the product is not"

[@mossy3565]

Exactly!

[@DarkOdinos]

Besides, "it's just my opinion" is a very poor attempt to deflect criticism. What, you're allowed to express your opinion on the game, but people aren't allowed to express their opinion on your thoughts on the game? Fuck outta here with that logic. The next worst thing is "It was just a joke"... oh wait...

[@mobiusone6994]

@@ANGG4R Which is why Ultrakill is one of the top-rated games on Steam.

[@dandre3K]

So what is that objective metric that he missed?

[@procow2274]

Under the mayo... but will anyone ever have the courage to go OVER the mayo?! D:

[@sriramramesh8203]

When I first started ultrakill once i got the shotgun and did projectile boost I did not use anything else for the most part since it did a lot of damage and covered a huge area, now that I know how to actually play I play using many of the weapons. I agree ultrakill's act 1 does not convey how usefull the weapons are only when I saw youtube clips I understood how much I was missing out on. but then again I doubt there is an actual good way to do that cause there is so many mechanics that just making act 1 more difficult to incentivize that kind off play might just make the game to hard to get into rather make people play with style. I think it would be better if they use the cybergrind for first time players after the slide sequence in the first level plop first time players in the cybergrind and show 1 good use case for each weapon, this could also be used to add in more lore and then the first level continues and also a skip door than can be unlocked using explosions.

[@EILP147]

Terrible idea

[@aRealOne9894]

Yeah true I don't get the revolver thing when the real Actual problem that actually exists is that people find pro boosting and just use that

[@EILP147]

@@aRealOne9894 How is that a bad thing? And it’s projectile boosting not pro boosting.

[@aRealOne9894]

@@EILP147 Jesus i have 200 hours in this game I know it's projectile boosting i say pro boosting as abbreviation do you correct people that say u instead of you I mean yeah unlike the revolver problem which doesn't exist I see countless people learning pro boosting and doing just that, at least now you can't p rank levels by only doing that. And I know this exists because I used to do it, I remember well cheesing 4-4 by farming style on the mal face by pro boosting it

[@EILP147]

@@aRealOne9894 So what you’re saying is just because you used it means it’s a big problem? So wouldn’t that make using only the revolver a problem? And I only corrected you since I’ve never seen someone say pro boosting, no need to get upset.

[@gianlayola9162]

Thanks for Clearing some misconceptions!

[@ivanything1016]

I think one change they could make to fix your problem could be to make weapons fire slower over time and reset the speed of fire after switching. It would be subtle at first but the speed would get slower and slower and basically impossible to use the same weapon.

[@josedorsaith5261]

Sounds like you enjoy being unhappy, dude Maybe taking a break for a little while would be a good idea? This isn't the same mayo I remember from a year ago.

[@homer886]

The amount of mayo fans about to flood this comment should have you worried. Can’t wait to see them strawman all your points and characterize you as a hivemind. Good luck man.

[@josedorsaith5261]

@@homer886 That's okay. If they do, they do.

[@keonkla]

"enjoy being unhappy" To be honest thats most video game reviewer/ gamer cahnnels these days. just bitching endlessly about the game industry instead of maybe taking there money onto diffrent and better games and not spend it on garbage? Tho mayo is a complete ass clown for a different reason. Hating ultra kill souls game sect but letting eternal get a free pass for what he supposedly hates about the previes games. His other videos dissing the new era god of war were alot more reasonable and sound then this. Ultimatamtly mayo shouldn't start crying because people are being as critialt o himself as he is to games. Eithe rhe mans up and just rolls with the punches or just stop bitching and crying about the trolls he brought on himself? obviously its getting to him if he ha dto make a video about mean people on the internet. Its sucks...Mayo is offcially as soft as skillup. He should be ashamed of himself.

[@steel5897]

Mayo legitimately starting to give lolcow vibes.

[@Spokenword]

Right? He enjoys prodding the beehive.

[@sriramramesh8203]

9:42 that transition is smooth

[@ender01o66]

ikr

[@seymourisley7724]

Not telling you how to manage your channel, but it’s not interesting hearing you talk about games you don’t like. Your channel is already too focused on negative opinions/critiques even with games you like so when you talk about games you hate like Elden ring, it becomes unbearable listening to you since you come off as a negative Nancy. Just play and talk about stuff you like please?

[@SolonGaming]

I actually watch him because of the games he hates. His views are almost always on point, he even gives good ideas on how to improve said games. What you consider negative, i consider positive. Games need harsh criticism if we want the gaming industry to improve.

[@llamadelreyii3369]

@@SolonGaming true. *Looking at those copy pasted games that release every year*

[@jakinluk2513]

11:00 I've heard this concept you describe here summed up very well as "how hard do you need to try to break your experience"(like using only guns in dmc or only spamming square in gow and calling it mashy)

[@minusp895]

Lies aside, you should explore more.

[@MrMadXenomorph]

My favorite moment was when Mayo said "it's dramaing time" and then dramad all over everyone.

[@averagejojoenjoyer3776]

Hell yeah

[@WillowBeige]

💀

[@exquisicy5429]

the most original comment

[@frostedmczk]

haha

[@McTavish_221]

Funny how you say ‘Open minded at first… but pretty quickly started to lose interest’ Having watched a criticism of your stream you went out from the training area, started chopping random trees and complained about the colour scheme. It was the exact opposite of open minded

[@underthemayo]

Open minded towards how the gameplay works. I was pretty calm for a while. Going around, fighting, figuring out starting bosses. It didn't last long but I was open to it. But I'm not going to be "open minded" about an art style that I simply don't like. It's not for me.

[@McTavish_221]

@@underthemayo Fair enough

[@mastrsonic375]

Mayo really bro True you were using other weapons in Ultrakill in your Act 2 But that’s not the point you were intentionally making the game unfun and then ripped on it

[@section6668]

I love your more personal experience type videos on games. I dont agree with all your opinions but I relate to your experiences alot and it really helps me know whether I should play game or not. I don't really have a lot of friends who are into video games like I am so I resort to the internet to find new games and your channel has given me multiple amazing recommendations. Unlike the more objective type reviews which really dont help at all, all I understand from these videos is that the game is good but not if it's for me or not. Really sucks that people give you alot of shit for just having opinions. We honestly need more channels like yours.

[@digivagrant]

Agree. There's a lot of more competent players showcasing how fun your favorite game actually is. You don't have take Mayo's mediocre opinions and gameplay too seriously. 👍

[@AG45.]

they give him alot of shit for acting like his advice will objectively improve ultrakill.

[@rawmaw]

@@digivagrant i don't think you read OP's comment correctly. And why is it quote unquote "mediocre"?

[@digivagrant]

@@rawmaw Compare his Vanquish gameplay in his review to someone to actually knows how to play the game. That's your answer.

[@frostedmczk]

@@digivagrant i'm pretty sure the "someone told me to play...." series isn't a review. Mayo has said it back then in one of his videos. It's the series about him talking about his experience with the game, not a definitive review of a games.

[@HyunXP]

Did you seriously said.. You want PS5 to review a game you allegedly 'like', while on your review before you basically just shit on the entire game the first 30 second you step on it. Seriously, if you don't want a story then play something else. Play DOOM again since that's the only game you are good at.

[@DrRedrum]

Dude it's the internet, drama is bound to happen... And damn, where I can watch the ER stream? I've paid 10$ to get it!

[@Micha-Hil]

damn, puts it in a different light. understood, you have a nice day now :)

[@FourDozenEggs]

I still find it odd to ask people to give you money so you can buy a console you don't want so you can play a game you won't like. That just seems like a waste to me.

[@logicnorespond7100]

Yeah same, but I don't see anything wrong with him letting his viewers know where they're dono is going.

[@FourDozenEggs]

@@logicnorespond7100 Yeah, at least he's transparent about it. I don't think he did it with malicious intent.

[@goyo9198]

While I understand the ps5 thing in the stream I still think it wasn’t really very smart of you to link the charity stream to that other matter, in fact it made no sense for someone as you that possess a very critical view of things, the last thing you wanna do in a charity stream is link it to something like “donate me for a ps5”. I know it was a misunderstanding, but still, was it really needed? The game for the console that you exclusively want isn’t even out yet, so what was the point? Wrong call either way.

[@tannerhill9648]

I feel the same way. It's a very odd choice at the very least.

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

He has a critical view of things? Yeah, right.

[@Yondras]

Looking forward to your RE content !

[@gimmer6014]

Now I am gonna be honest I was fooled by the respose videos as were many others, as I dont use Twitch and didnt have enough context to properly understand the situation. However with this video I can realise just how wrong I was. I may not agree with you on everthing you say, buf in the past 2 years that I have been watching you, I have accumulated a lot of respect for you and I am ready to move forward and see what this channel and you have to offer for the future. Your respone was also the best it could have been and should be used as an example by other KZbinrs for how to properly formulate videos. This has been a fan of yours speaking and I will see you, hopefuly on another video. Peace.

[@frostedmczk]

Thank you, for being sane person

[@SolonGaming]

This is proof that Mayo's response video wasn't a waste of time

[@underthemayo]

Thanks. I'm not gonna reach everyone. But some. So yeah, it was worth doing. Time to move on. I'm sure all the regular viewers are ready to do that just as much as I am.

[@HypocriteHunter666]

I feel stupid for even making my response video in the first place especially the part where I straight up accused him of simply begging for money for a brand new PS5 when it was a secondary goal and he was in fact doing an actual charity for MSF as shown in his community post

[@siddharthshishulkar8992]

@@HypocriteHunter666 I don't blame you. He did slip up in the stream and it did look like that if you clip the stream and look at the statements in the isolated way. It's alright tho as he has clarified it

[@bitronic6706]

here cause max0r's vid on ultrakill has a jab at mayo lol

[@Dantexshadows]

Where did it tho? You have a timestamp, because I can't find it? NVM, I saw it. Ouch.

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

​@@DantexshadowsWhere was it?

[@thestarsmoker09]

You did good with the charity but that's not what me and other people are frustrated about. You're a hypocrite when it comes to your takes, you're biased, you're close-minded no matter how many times you claim you're not, you got double standards, you contradict yourself most of the time IN THE SAME VIDEO in the reviews you make. Now I'm not gonna explain why since many people have talked about this about you in both the YT community, Reddit, Discord, etc. that can explain that way better than me. You're better off sticking to DOOM

[@juice2307]

The only time that I have not enjoyed a game is when I refused to force myself to open up to what it is on an objective level and meet it there. At those point I can say that there is not a genre I do not like. Whenever I have a bad first impression of an artstyle or an atmosphere, I ask myself why I do not like it, then I research what others like about it and adapt to that. Failure to like a genre is a failure of adaptability, not taste.

[@jgn]

you should try out the armored core series, it has the best fromsoft games (I recommend learning how to bhop first if you're trying out a pre gen 4 game: tap booster jump, strafe to a direction, boost before hitting the ground, repeat)

[@ghoulbuster1]

You can Bhop in armored core?! No way!

[@danielgeronimo5538]

Still waiting on a new game from that franchise, that was still to me the From soft magnum opus. For Answer had great boss battles and fortress levels

[@feelzgaming4334]

While i disagree with most of your opinions still watch all your vids cause your honest and you dont sugar-coat your takes just to appeal to the masses. This was a top tier response vid and clarified a lot of things. Hella excited for the GoW Ragnarok rant

[@thezachthatsmilesbackgoldf8696]

As Dunkey said, you don’t have to agree with a critic all the time for their opinion to be consistent and valuable

[@Impalingthorn]

Unrelated to OP, but that is ironically why I stopped watching Dunkey. Past a certain point his humor was just being used as a cushion for whatever take he was giving. The "Oh it's just a joke" defense. Like Dunkey will joke 80% of the video then dedicate 20% of it to a very obvious and blatant opinion he has, calling someone or something "retarded" or levying an actual attempt at criticism, and then going right back to the humor. Which would be alright... IF his criticisms were well constructed, which they aren't most of the time. So he's got a consistently unvaluable opinion and likes to be hyperbolic while he's belting it out. I swear, he gives legitimately good advise for HOW to be a KZbin reviewer but is dogshit at following that advice himself.

[@miragebarrage9748]

Mayo ain’t gonna f*ck you bro 😂

[@feelzgaming4334]

@@miragebarrage9748 will you? 🥺 👉👈

[@miragebarrage9748]

@@feelzgaming4334 stop sucking up to mayo and I’ll consider

[@TheUltimateNavigator1]

when you get shit on for a stupid thing you say so you say "it's a joke"

[@TV-MA.x_x.]

When you can't tell something is a joke and need to be babied all the way through it.

[@TheUltimateNavigator1]

@@TV-MA.x_x. He clearly made a stupid ass point and multiple youtubers and people called him out on it, then he went "it's a joke!!" You're a moron. He had an entire stream where he shit on the game and anyone who called him out because he went into the game knowing nothing about the game and refused to learn it. People called him out on it. In the stream he went off on people because they were giving him tips and trying to help him as he was purposely making himself not like the game while continuing to play it, then made videos when he knew nothing about the game shitting on it. He simply played a game that he didn't know and didn't seem to like and kept bitching on it and then insulted the community.

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

​@@TV-MA.x_x.My foot. He shouldn't make it a review if everything he says is BS.

[@TV-MA.x_x.]

@@addison_v_ertisement1678 Mf replying to a year old comment lmao. As if I even remember what this argument is about. Mayo is based. Cope.

[@theshape3988]

I remember the very first time I came across Resident evil the same year it came out. Keep in mind I didn't know what a Playstation was. I had played super Mario world last and thought those graphics were as good as it got. I'm a huge horror movie fan, so imagine me seeing that mansion for the first time. The fact I could play the protagonist in a horror film? Was so amazing and I've been a fan of Resident evil ever since

[@underthemayo]

I think you meant to comment this somewhere else but thank you for sharing.

[@ibtastico]

Your main problem when criticising Act I of ultrakill is that you assume all new players are like you. When I started out, I died quite a number of times in prelude and layer 1, especially getting my ass kicked by Cerberus (0-5), and I assume that at least some players who were once new to the game had a similar experience. This repeated cycle of death, especially V-2 which you praise for being quite difficult without engaging with the games mechanics, caused me to try and play the game differently. The first level which I had to research how to beat was V2, and it was then when I understood the huge depth behind Ultrakill tech, and once I used it, I felt the game get so much better, get so much more fun, and I wanted to search through it more. The entire point of playing a game like Ultrakill is to have fun, so when new players recognise a more fun, more fluid, more cool -looking way to play the game, they will naturally want to explore more, and keep the fun in the game, rather than go back to playing lamely using only one weapon variant and its alt fire. Whilst I agree that challenge really helps new players engage in the mechanics of a game, since you continue to die without doing so, it's not the only thing that does. The style meter may encourage some new players to try and look cool and get to new style levels, the end ranking may encourage some other new players to get better ranks and thus learn some game mechanics, the sandbox may encourage other new players to try out different weapons, different tech, and practice against enemies for cybergrind or for chargebacking or to defeat that one level they can't. Challenge is not necessary for a new player to engage in a game's mechanics, and if you think that, then ultrakill is not the game for you. Because the objective way to play ultrakill is your subjective, favourite way to play it. If someone actually likes doing a mayo % run, they can do it, but the game strongly shows the player of new possibilities and options which they can use, learn, practice. The challenge in ultrakill comes from the P ranks, the challenges, getting to a high wave in cybergrind, etc. And even then some new players would have the introduction to the game quite hard when first starting out, then develop their skills. Just because ultrakill is too easy for you doesn't mean it is too easy for other players. So, Mayo, play ultrakill like it's ultrakill, not like it's not ultrakill.

[@empty_nam]

i also had to research v2 strats because i was so bad at the game like i literally didnt know what overheat did, now it is my favourite thing to use

[@sagittarius5114]

Even if hes gonna read this comment of yours hes still gonna latch into the "piercer OP pls nerf" because thats one of the very few arguments he has against Ultrakill. He doesnt want admit that he was wrong because of his ego that is the size of the piramid in Greed. Also he doesnt want to admit that any other game can be as good as Doom Eternal

[@Narko_Marko]

i dont like to research when playing a new game, which is why i dont like the fact that ultrakill doesnt explain combos, but luckily i understood what most guns did until i finished the game and the looked up how to do shotgun parries and stuff.

[@TimeLordNivek]

@@Narko_Marko I think the game literally tell you this in the tips in the store and by looking at the weapon info also in the store.

[@Narko_Marko]

@@TimeLordNivek it does

[@vernbaa]

I still don't really believe that new players are going to use the piercer, but I can completely understand pretty much everything in this video. Also, I can't believe that people lied about your Elden Ring livestream being a charity livestream, I wonder where that started?

[@ni9274]

Nobody lied. It's just that the goal of the charity was not mentioned anywhere in his stream, so the guy who made the video thought he was saying the PS5 is a charity.

[@vernbaa]

@@ni9274 Oh, alright.

[@chadnorseman655]

@@ni9274 Bullshit. During the stream he mentioned it verbally all the time. The guy who made the video never watched the stream and was just jumping on the bandwagon to trash the guy.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

nah new players wont, i was one, piercer aint good enough in every combat situation, heck i died a bunch of times in swordsman fight, piercer sure as hell didnt help me there, and there are also enemy specific weak points that i cant solve by abusing piercer alt shoot

[@InnocuousRemark]

I don't always agree with Mayo's opinions. That is why he is my sworn enemy.

[@Impalingthorn]

This pretty accurately summarizes the response Mayo has been getting recently. "Oh no, he has a different opinion about a game I love. Guess everything needs to burn now."

[@runics8052]

@@Impalingthorn People call him out for dumb reasons to not like a game. In his first god of war video he literally had a complaint for the easy mode being named "Give me a story"

[@TV-MA.x_x.]

@@runics8052 That wasn't even the complaint lmao

[@runics8052]

@@TV-MA.x_x. never said it was the complaint, its a complaint

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

​@@Impalingthorn"This game is bad," and "This game is good" is not an opinion. He is making objective statements, and he can't stop people from criticizing him just because it's his "opinion."

[@Gavengelica]

To me it sounds more like this whole situation happened because no one was ready for it. And not enough clarification was made. Internet is such a messy place where honestly, expectations should be set a lot lower than they were. If I ever made criticism about anything, it would most likely take eons to come out since I wouldn't be able to stop worrying over every little potential risk and detail. What you come out to describe in the Ultrakill portion needed this especially, it's a highly analytical way of looking at things. Uncommon in the review/critic space.

[@dandre3K]

>most likely take eons to come out Hello fellow perfectionist.

[@Gavengelica]

@@dandre3K It's called being overly thorough and cautious towards complex matters. I do not believe in perfection nor do I pursue it.

[@onyxrin1946]

9:42 HOLY SHIT THAT TRANSITION

[@ender01o66]

indeed

[@tylerbetzel1547]

my son is disruptive at night so i put on your elden ring stream just to put him to sleep.

[@HagVirus]

Hello, fromsoft fan here. We can accept criticism of our fave game series, we just don't take lightly to ppl who go out of their way to nott have fun or at least purposely not to try learn the game. That's literally dark side Phil type of shit. Now, its ok not to like those type of games. I had a convo very recently with a good friend where he said he played and finished the first dark souls game and decided it wasn't for him but still respects the series for what it is and what it brings to the table. Second of all, the "charity" thing. Now, if the guy that I watched purposely editted that part out, then shame on him. But, it only showed the tips goal going for the ps5, trying to say it was for "charity". That and you were purposely raising the tips goal when it was getting close so you don't have to put more time into Elden ring. And the thing that got alot of ppl (me included) was you say YOURSELF, that you like being taken out of your comfort zone and try different things in a challenging game. LITERALLY Elden ring does that, but you sat there bitching and shitting your pants on how it doesn't challenge you or it doesn't make you wanna do different things (ie exploring, trying different weapons and set ups) Now, you didn't have to play Elden ring, cause like you said you don't like those type of games, but YOU chose to. You acted like a drunken adult child and ppl are calling your shit out. As soon ppl do that, apparently that fanbase can't handle "criticism" while your the one who has to make a response vid TOWARDS the criticism you got from others online? Bruh... The self awareness is hilariously non existent...

[@Junya01]

Excellently put. I used to think Mayo knew what he was on about, but he legit played worse than a game journo and whined the entire time while playing Elden ring. Like, it's one thing to not enjoy the game but push on and make the best of it, and then there's sitting in one area for two hours bitching how the game doesn't "incentivise" him to explore because HE PERSONALLY does not like the world, artstyle, setting, etc. Like, how stupid is that? He's the one who decided to set that up as a charity goal, he had complete control on making the Elden ring stream a donation stream for a ps5, and yet he actively chose not to engage with the game because he "found it boring". Jesus dude, what a shit show

[@HagVirus]

He only knows doom eternal to a tee, that's really it. If any other game doesn't have any form of eternal blood in it or doesn't do the same shit as eternal = bad game or stop being a doom eternal rip off. That's the issue with mayo that has been becoming into light as of recently. He's literally a doom eternal pacifier sucker. Don't get me wrong, eternal is an amazing game, I still think it's one of the best shooters that came out in the last decade but holy shit bruh, not every game has to do doom eternal things lmao....

[@fuckso2342]

He has already got out his comfort zone and really tried to get into the Souls games with Dark Souls 1. I think he spent like 18 to 20 hours in it and simply couldn't due to tastes. I dunno how more clear this video can be. The Elden Ring stream wasn't for him it was for his twitch fans who wanted to see him miserable. Some guy even gifted him the game without his permission and many people donated to see him miserable. Yea he can do whatever he wants but to deny there wasn't pressure from his fans is disingenuous.

[@fuckso2342]

Also what wrong with entertaining your fans and playing games that you deliberately don't like to entertain them for charity stream? Angryvideogamenerd has made living doing this.

[@HagVirus]

@@fuckso2342 the difference is that agvn is a literal act. And never said it wasn't for the fans, he could've easily chose no, and refunded the game back. But that didn't happen. The issue is the options that was presented to him, and he chose a way that made him look bad. If he already didn't like the series, then why play it? The "fans" excuse or even the "charity" excuse is complete bullshit cause he could've easily said no and refunded the game back to the fan or why with the so called charity donations, he was also trying to squeeze more donations for a ps5? Yes, I do know it was for GoWR but having the both of them there is in kinda bad taste. If he just had the donations for charity there then yea, he's in the right (mostly) but he also had a donations goal for the ps5 as well. You don't have to do everything for the fans, you CAN do a good portion for them but not all of it. FFS even DSP of all ppl thinks out what games to play before running into them head first, headbutting a brick wall...

[@LaughingDragonie]

As someone who has stumbled upon this rabbit hole of a mess randomly while trying to find Ultrakill tech I have to say that there is some truth in both the words of people criticising and you adressing this stuff. Concerning Ultrakill I really dont agree with the point you are trying to make about leaning into one tool since challenge runs using only 1 particular tool out of many has been there since the dawn of time and thats basically what you were doing to yourself until V2 fight, just challenging yourself even though the style meter clearly hinted that maybe you should use other stuff. The thing about Act 2 changes are honestly a bit too general to credit it solely to your critisism, things like "fix X weapon/tool" are thrown around all the time for all the games and when things eventually do get patched you dont see those people proclaming about "Look developers listened to ME! MY INPUT SPECIFICALLY. NONE OTHER" which is what its kinda sounded like in your Act 2 review. Yes it does concern health which was an example you mentioned but again I feel like that is too general to give credit for the specific change of damage cap on hp going up faster depeding on style. I get that those are your opinions and I respect that but you are also somewhat wrong in those on level of facts. Obvious example here being the "Why are developers giving me this hard boss (V2) when I could have gotten through entierty of previous levels with just a pistol. Thats kinda unfair" ( a bit of pharaphrasing here I know, but Im honestly too lazy to type your input word for word). Repeating the point of many others: V2 CAN be beaten with just pistol as a challenge and again the game did give you hints on that maybe you should try to use other weapons/tech. Genuienly glad that you liked Act 2 more tho. Lastly about the whole Elden Ring: I do think you gotta take the L here chief. Firstly if you know that it is going to be a miserable experience and you dont even enjoy the game then maybe just dont play it? I get that it for "entertainment" but its usually done by people that at least enjoy the game to some extent and even though that yes you do employ the "I critique things I love harshly" that approach just doesnt really work here since you dont relate/enjoy the genre or the setting since those types of approaches again stem from love for the game. Not to mention being drunk.......on a charity stream......aaaaaaaaaand choosing to have a separate donation goal for your PS5. Yes a lot of people bullshitted about this for clout. Yes that was unfair to you. However that being said, Im sorry but what in the actual fuck were you thinking? Im not a streamer but it sounds to me like being drunk on stream while playing a game you dont like in addition to it being a CHARITY stream does not sound like a good idea. Like at all. And especially having a secondary goal on stream for your own personal gain? Again, not super well versed in those things, but usually when I do tune in for various charity streams the vast majority of people dont really have a secondary donation goals. They make charity the absolute forefront. So that entire set up just sounds like it was bound to fail and it did. So concerning that its kinda your own fault. Apologies for errors, English is not my first language.

[@JimJamTheAdmin]

$250 to play Elden Ring for charity, then $180 from tips for a Ps5 for personal use during the stream. Maybe it's just me, but that's just as much of poor taste as anything made up about the scenario. Using the charity funded stream to generate revenue for yourself just is like scumbag stuff.

[@LaughingDragonie]

@@JimJamTheAdmin Exactly

[@Supasauce91]

I honestly think that ultrakill itself should instead hint on how to have fun rather than punish the player for it, from what i see, ultrakill is a game that rewards you for having fun rather than punish you for not playing it in a way deemed creative like doom eternal, I understand you opinion on using just the piercer in the entirety of act 1, and i kind of think that the game should hint more and more towards using other guns unlocked to incorporate into the games mechanic instead on just relying on the pistol itself, if doom eternal asks you to eat that apple like a donkey instead of a human, and punishes you for it, ultrakill is like asking you to eat like a donkey and have fun, but ultrakill should suggest that you should eat the apple like a donkey to maybe have fun, sure it might take away some of the discovery factor, but i think its needed, it is in my opinion tho.

[@Junya01]

Yea I agree, haven’t played ultrakill yet but is there a tips section with like, clips or highlights of different weapon tech/fun playstyles players can incorporate in their game?

[@Supasauce91]

@@Junya01 true true, then again perhaps I didnt read the tips section and such, I just feel like the game could idk, introduce or hint the players a bit more creatively

[@SenyiKimmo]

There's plenty of hints and tips in the game already if you browse the terminal, plus some stuff that gets shown off in tutorials (either through encounter design or through text popups).

[@aRealOne9894]

@@Junya01 terminals

[@fuckso2342]

I think the harder difficulties that are being developed will probably will force people to play better and will fix most of Mayo's issues for Act 1 being too easy.

[@milk55655]

if you know that you dislike souls like games why even play them(and for ultrakill a game should not have to force you to have fun)

[@milk55655]

also dont give me a 6 min sob story on how playing a video game you didint like for 5 hours was "suffering" and why did you have to do the goal for the ps5 and the charity on the same stream dont you think thats kind of misleading

[@underthemayo]

I actually started the ps5 goal several streams before I played Elden Ring. It was a general fundraiser goal like any other. I modified it when I streamed elden ring to be for me to play an additional hour of the game.

[@milk55655]

@@underthemayo did you put all of the money towards the charity?

[@underthemayo]

@@milk55655 250 dollars was raised for the charity donation, which ran through the summer. That money was donated in full. After that goal was met, I started a fundraiser towards a PS5 for the god of war review. When time came for the elden ring stream to happen, I took the then running PS5 fundraiser and modified it to allow people to extend my play time during the elden ring string. Those donations had nothing to do with the charity goal which had already been accomplished a month before. So no, the donations made towards getting a ps5 did not go to charity. They went towards a ps5.

[@valletas]

Why dont you just use a ps4? Like its not like ragnarok will be exclusive to the ps5

[@ADHDxDahveed]

mayo did you ever play shadow warrior? whats your opinion, i didnt play the third yet.

[@Crusher888]

Hey Mayo. You said you like future/space ship games. Try playing 40k Space Marine. It has everything you love, futuristic setting, healing on executions, limited ammo etc… Id love to see your review of it

[@Impalingthorn]

The response to these videos has been some of the most nonsensical shit I've ever seen. People calling you the "Worst reviewer on KZbin" because you didn't shill for Overkill and had some gripes which, yes, some of which harkened back to ways you thought it could improve if it took some notes from Doom. While I do agree you maybe bring Doom Eternal up a little too often, I mean, it's fucking Doom Eternal. It's a good game with a great mechanical structure that knows how to encourage the player in the direction it wants them to play. It is the top of its class when it comes to shooters, if you're going to take notes from any shooter it's probably going to be Doom Eternal, let's be real. But no, people gotta act like you're overly pessimistic even though you're extremely mild mannered in basically all your reviews. They gotta act like you're going too far criticizing the Overkill community when they responded to your initial review like a mob of angry hornets and started entire speedrun categories to make fun of you, categories which even Reddit and their home websites started banning because of the vitriol. And c'mon, can we stop acting like Elden Ring was a perfect 10/10. The honeymoon phase is over, it's just another Souls game and there has been no shortage of FromSoft circle jerking these past 10 years. It's become friggin' insufferable and Mayo was a LOT more gracious than I would have been. In my opinion, your channel just grew large enough to punch into a new depth and you had a lot of newer people see your channel and MAKE ASSUMPTIONS about your character, because people love to hate on shit. Hell, I may have entered the channel from your Marauder video, but I STAYED because of your God of War and Resident Evil content. No one talks about how on-the-money you were about both RE3 and GOW 2018 shifted away from what made the original games great into modern game design pretention; becoming undeniably watered down. Nah, you didn't like Overkill so now we all gotta piss ourselves in rage, right? Christ, kill me. My feed has been nothing but videos from young, knee jerky fledgling KZbinrs who think the key to KZbin success is punching up and lighting fire to another KZbinr. I've seen these scenario countless times and MOST of the time it's just petty, hasty responses that never age well.

[@Frizou]

I'll say it now : "saying something to explain what you said in the past will not bring understanding to internet people." I don't have anything to say about the Elden Ring situation because I have no clue what it is But for the ULTRAKILL one.. You kinda tried to patch the Grand Canyon with scotch tape... I'm not exactly sure how you thought that making a review that was ironical on the internet was a good idea, of course people are going to tear your opinions apart for criticizing a game like this, its to be expected. You also really didn't make it clear in any of your review/responses until this one that it was ironical, making it look like you're actually serious about your claims on the game. I guess your reiteration is fine..? But still, your opinion is still lacking in actual good examples of how the game could be "improved"

[@TV-MA.x_x.]

9:42 nutty transition. I had to stop and rewind because I thought I wasn't paying attention lol.

[@Quintuplin12]

Honestly, this video helps a lot. I certainly was one of the people who responded poorly to your previous Ultrakill videos, largely because it wasn't entirely clear that your jokes were jokes, because it felt like your opinions were being stated as facts, and because your issues felt exaggerated and self-inflicted. I am reminded of the TAG2 situation; I think sometimes you can go too hard against something that bothers you, with negative community outcomes as a result. That could be solved by going the way of Yahtzee and making it *explicitly clear* when a joke is occurring, or by doing what you did here and just *play things straight* instead, accounting for the fact that when it comes to criticism, people tend to take things personally. This style of video works much better because you contextualized your statements within a framework that properly accounts for that; and because of that it was much easier to listen to your points and even accept them as being potentially valid. Presentation is everything. Good luck and thank you for doing this.

[@DamianOchramowicz]

>and making it explicitly clear when a joke is occurring Do you want a 30 minute warning before each and every joke, so you can mentally prepare?

[@redninja3056]

He literally played both ultra kill and elding ring in the most boring way possible AND HE BLAMED THE GAMES no response video can take that back and hes a hypocrite get the fuck out of here with that

[@theantagonist2960]

Those weren't jokes

[@ninjawiz7932]

I blame Cinemasins for ruining my ability to tell joke-criticism from actual criticism.

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@ninjawiz7932 Yeah me too.

[@bigirononmyhip3812]

I still cant get over that footage of u just ignoring the invader and chopping bushes xD srry m8 but i cant unsee it looking like u dont even want to try to enjoy it

[@chyzyzbik5623]

I have no idea who is "right" in this discussion, as to do it I would have to play Ultrakill and THEN watch all the takes from different people to judge from myself. But I know that I would love to see you not lose your mind becose of it, and just continue doing what you have been doing, cuz I really enjoy your takes on games. Good luck.

[@Canalbiruta]

At least play ultrakill, is a banger of a game (after the mindless shootie shootie prologue and limbo part). Not even for the drama, just because is a recommendation even from mayo.

[@iammadeoutofstarstuff957]

As an ultrakill player i side with mayo

[@Impalingthorn]

Frankly, the fervorous response from Ultrakill fans during this whole outcry has, if anything, convinced me not to play the game. Not that it is bad, right from the beginning Mayo said it was good and I like skill based shooters. But I won't be able to play it now without the sour taste of this whole unnecessary episode of drama in my mouth. It is all too similar to the incident with Doom Eternal where people freaked out about Mick Gordon's mixes of his own songs not being on the OST so they lit fire to ID, then ID gave an official response where they were confused about why people thought there was drama and tried clarifying the situation and revealed Mick and them had already come up with a Plan B in case he couldn't get the mixes out on time (which if you were a fan of his, you know time allocation isn't a strength of his and he admits as much; he still pines about wanting to return to certain tracks on Killer Instinct and redo them) so there was no beef, but then then they turned around and roasted Mick as if he'd thrown ID under the bus for shit the COMMUNITY said. Never once did Mick stoke the flames or anything. The whole situation sprung from two innocuous personal messages he responded with to fans where he JUST said "I would have done it differently" and "I probably won't be working with ID again" (AKA "I wanna do other stuff right now"). People WANTED a villain to point at and go "Yeah, HE'S the problem" when in reality there was no villain. Well, guess what happened here. People took a bunch of shit out of context and villainized the fuck out of a dude who was never taking himself that seriously to begin with. It just so happened his jokes accurately summarized how vindictive the Overkill community was.

[@aRealOne9894]

@@Impalingthorn I think people took it so badly because of the first video alone, ANY gaming comunity would have been offended by that video

[@debashisprasadjena5075]

@@aRealOne9894 but see how much this situation resembles that video, isn't it ironic.

[@TheEpicPancake]

I definitely think that the way in which you went through the act 2 review of Ultrakill was done far better than the prior, but I think that falling into the same pitfall of intentionally goading people into negativity wasn't a great idea, especially considering how poisoned the well had become baseline after the first go at it. To that degree, I the blowback is partially your fault, but with that said the conduct of the Ultrakill fanbase (as is the case for most fanbases, unfortunately) is deserving criticism as well. A single video may be worthy of the meme speedrun category, but the lasting vitriol is significantly less justified. I think that had you gone through and replaced the same sarcasm with some of these thoughts in that video rather than placing them across just in a few loosely related spinoff videos, it would have gone over much better as a whole, though I'm sure a great many had already set their mind on you. Categorizing people based on shitty game takes is something people jump to far too easily.

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

Hiw are the Ultrakill fans not justufied?