As you have been loving the slightly longer vids recently, we decided to extend this one a bit. Hopefully it can make you feel like you are right on board with us. Whats been your fave bit about our Panama series so far?
@huntersteven6 ай бұрын
I love the longer videos. I can't get enough of your adventure.
@davidkettell10736 ай бұрын
you Becca. I cannot think of a nicer couple to sail around the world with.
@vokeswaagin6 ай бұрын
What you guys did for that family in the last episode, truly brought tears to my eyes. The whole adventure has been lovely, but that has to be my favorite bit so far.
@jamesadkins57866 ай бұрын
The sos prolly came from the ipad you have if it gets bumped the wrong way it will say it detected a crash and send out an sos
@davidweary73426 ай бұрын
I wonder if the Panamanian Coast Guard made a visit to check you out and confirm you were legit and not drug runners. Drugs make their way north from central America and beyond for the U.S. SOS broadcast sounds like a good excuse. What do you think? At least he was polite and friendly.
@paulcalvinpacana81856 ай бұрын
The reason both of you are becoming a popular channel is YOU, not us, not our opinions, not our comments, we will look at your videos because we like what we see, but do not let our biases influence you, do not let our comments guide or affect you, do not try to please us, just keep doing what you were doing from the beginning and we will keep watching you both.
@katherinecarpenter31496 ай бұрын
This comment to a T - it makes me feel like my husband and I could actually make sailing a goal and not a pipe dream!
@DYoung-vt8pq6 ай бұрын
I love you kids! 50 minutes with you guys is a gift. Becka, please don't ever sacrifice yourself for clicks, like some women on other channels do. You're too precious for that. Safe travels. ❤
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Your support means the world to us! Thank you for watching 😊
@roelofcoertze94536 ай бұрын
Yes I agree. It seems that every other sailing channel has to have a clickbait hot chick showing all kinds of skin. I really appreciate the authenticity of this channel.
@markbuskens60706 ай бұрын
No need for all that,just keep it real as it happens.Beauty comes from within 😉
@TheAtma506 ай бұрын
This is good advice ..... Natural beauty doesn't need to use "Click Bate" !!
@smoothsailing77736 ай бұрын
Well done, enjoy your story. To whatever commenters say above....just remember, clicks are $$, and $$ keeps you going. Always follow your OWN game plan. If its to circumnavigate and share your experiences, it takes $$ people. Simple as that. Cheers and luck!
@sweettony93596 ай бұрын
One thing ive noticed about full time sailors is that their heads are on an absolute swivel. They are constantly looking around: at the horizon, over the side, in front of the boat, at the sails, at their instruments, to port, to starboard, back to the horizon, etc. They are actually like animals on the savanna, constantly being aware of their surroundings. Beautiful, really, how they become part of the nature around them.
@evinwhiteson49026 ай бұрын
Yes there is that. But just like that you hear every single noise you're boat and the sea makes. The second something is wrong or just different you are on it. You're also very aware of the moon and tides. It is a interesting , life. I am on my 34th year of mostly full time cruising.
@jhonhayes34106 ай бұрын
This continues even when sleeping, you become so symbiotic with your mate, vessel and surroundings even the slightest change will bring you to alertness.
@graemeday41956 ай бұрын
From the crazy dancing on the bow, to Zak needing a good comb, you two have really impressed me with the innocence, determination and honesty that you approach everything. You can really see the love in your eyes when you look at each other. This channel just keeps getting better. Well done you two x
@Steven-Doc-Troxel6 ай бұрын
You are a very handsome couple. I love Becca's childlike enthusiasm for things that bring you joy.
@stephenauty24026 ай бұрын
What a thing to show your kids , mum and dad before ...
@petesnap19696 ай бұрын
...All they have to look forward to is that doughnut with sprinkles!
@sandybinbedford55123 ай бұрын
These things happen to make just the best memories ever .
@newfiescreech73286 ай бұрын
50+ minutes AND catching fish! Today is a good day.
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
It sure was!
@rickkwitkoski19766 ай бұрын
Thank you. For the vodka anesthetic, get a plastic squeeze bottle with a narrow straw. Put the straw in the gill and administer the vodka from the squeeze bottle. You will use very little and the fish will expire quickly.
@jacksmith80026 ай бұрын
At times I have watched dozens of sailing channels, yours is the only one I still watch religiously - Happy Monday to us all
@olemanjim14156 ай бұрын
Finding complete solitude, totally away from any civilization. That's a cruisers dream and you guys did it. Wow!!❤ I'm over the top happy for you, enjoy 😊
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Thanks Jim! It was sure in the absolute middle of nowhere!
@davcox1006 ай бұрын
I’ve been fortunate to work none stop for 44 years and thoroughly enjoying most of that time. However I’d swap that in a heartbeat for what you two are doing. Maybe not for a continuous 44 years but certainly in my 20s and 30s. Then maybe have a break and do it all again in my mid 40s and 50s. You only live once and if you’re fortunate to be in a situation where you can live your dream, do it. Loving the extended posts, as you really bring us along with you. However, don’t put yourself under pressure to do this every week. If you’ve got the content and time to do it, that’s brilliant, if not , don’t stress about it. Just keep the wonderful content going when you can.👍
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Your words truly resonate with me. It's never too late to pursue your dreams and make the most of every opportunity that comes your way. We love putting out longer content but it is a lot more work to do so. Glad you're enjoying it😊
@widotspecial6 ай бұрын
I don't care who you are, 7:50 is the view that every boater lives for all day every day. Gorgeous waves, shoreline in view, just stunning.
@garrytownson75526 ай бұрын
I too am enjoying immensely the longer video, simply cause i don't want them to end. i love how you treat each other, the generosity of you both and how you treat people whom ever they are.
@norman49916 ай бұрын
Love the way you are able to let the video speak for itself so often. Almost like I'm sailing on my own boat. Wonderful
@paulmann14406 ай бұрын
So privileged to share the adventures through your eyes and experiences, so thank you for that ❤. Loved the extended version - what a great way to chill after another day in the UK. Absolutely love the sailing clips and having the camera moving with the swell is like ASMR for the soul. Seeing both your smiles and sense of achievement reaching C.Rica after these past weeks is the icing on the cake. Hope you're having THE best time over there. 🎉
@MrSirlulzalot5 ай бұрын
For 🐟 preparation, forget alcohol, look up the ikijime method. ❤
@xoniwebmaster16 ай бұрын
In everything in life, Contrast is Inevitable ... Balance is Key.
@garrytownson75526 ай бұрын
I particularly enjoyed your stay on the isolated island where you had mechanical problems, and the immediate respect you had for their culture and life. More importantly the respect you had for each other, resulted in a lifelong friendship and memory.
@juliazentner6816 ай бұрын
Prettiest sunset shot ive ever seen from any channel period!
@ianbasson83676 ай бұрын
Love the longer episodes although I do appreciate the extra time involved in editing along with your daily tasks. You two are living the dream, although I’m sure you you might not agree when you have boat problems. I do so like being able to see your travels and experiences.
@curtishyde18426 ай бұрын
A yard like that is where you bring your own supplies and enjoy the stay
@racheylp78956 ай бұрын
You are so enjoyable to watch, love following your journey. I’m 50, have no interest in boats or sailing but have happily sat and watched while you both fix the engine problems and listened whilst you talk sailing chat I have no idea what it means. But love your journey. Stay safe and I’ll carry on loving this amazing channel xxxx 🇬🇧
@nigeldewallens11156 ай бұрын
I think for me was the friendliness of the folk you meet there! How lovely for you both! I am also fascinated at the difference in technology to when I used to do boating in the late seventies and into the early eighties with a motor cruiser! If you could show more of the equipment! for me that would be fascinating ok! 👍
@TheBeer4me6 ай бұрын
Cruisers are like gamblers they usually only tell about the good times (winnings) very few will share the bad scary times,boring moments. Wondering how many people get into sailing after watching some of these videos. Definitely one of the better videos I’ve seen good job!
@charonstyxferryman6 ай бұрын
Quote, Cruisers are like gamblers they usually only tell about the good times (winnings) very few will share the bad scary times,boring moments." Why should they show boring stuff, and why do you think sailors has the time to film, when things goes South?
@somadevo6 ай бұрын
You two are classic greats to accompany on this adventuresome destiny loving life to the fullest. Stay Beautiful
@vokeswaagin6 ай бұрын
The perfect cure for the Monday blues!! And another long one at that! You're spoiling us! ☺💙
@petegraham14586 ай бұрын
I enjoy being able to follow along on your adventures, thanks for all the effort you two expend to record and edit it. The photo of the sunrise brought back wonderful memories for me on night watch sailing along as the loom of the sun before it breakers the horizon as you sit there alone with your thoughts and the family asleep below! Just perfect! That light is called a transit marker light they also come as triangle you keep one in front of the other .
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
It's wonderful to hear that our adventures bring back memories for you. Thank you for following along and the information!
@garagestuff96536 ай бұрын
Good to have good people board your boat. Keep up the Good.
@antonyleemulvey82266 ай бұрын
O wow you are spoiling me this Monday evening truly. Huge thanks for all you effort in doing so. ❤
@joewilliams53966 ай бұрын
You're right, I loved it. I watched it from the beginning till the end and got a lot out of your experience, watching it.
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@TTM-GEB6 ай бұрын
Interesting choices of music for this episode 😮
@dsmith94566 ай бұрын
Ahoy. This was a great vid. You got some really good footage and you managed to capture the feeling of sailing. Godspeed until the next one..
@ollieitservices1156 ай бұрын
Hi Guys, as always the highlight of my day when you have a new video! Not sure if you realise and not trying to be a know it all, but as a fellow yacht sailor who has spent a lot of time in light winds if your motoring the wind tends to move as if you were going into it. This can greatly reduce the already low power you get out of your sails and to see you playing the mainsheet while motoring, you probably didn't actually get any improvement to your speed but may have increased the fuel usage slightly due to the sails being pushed against by the apparent wind. I've found that especially over long low wind journeys (sometimes it's been up to a week becalmed) leaving the sails down and just motoring (which I personally hate - it is a sailboat after all!!!) it's been much more comfortable, less chance of damage to sails from sudden wind gusts as the wind changes and sometimes significantly noticeable lower fuel usage (over a week trip we got nearly 6 hours more than the previous best engine time for the fuel we had on board in ocean offshore swells). Keep being well and have a terrific time and thank you for your videos!
@AnandShivan6 ай бұрын
Golfito was the global distribution port for Chiquita bananas for many many years. Sadly, now it is the port that ships palm oil around the world.... across the bay is the Osa Peninsula, known as the most bio-diverse place on the planet! Amazing, thanks for the memories!!
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Interesting! We spent some time on the Osa Peninsula. The vid would be up in a few weeks😁
@allenclark19146 ай бұрын
I enjoy the joy you both have in meeting friends and also the compassion you had for the family on the small island. Obviously your patreons are wonderful people for donating so quickly also. I believe your style of videos and editing is a refreshing new way different from most. Don’t change a thing and also as for me , I enjoy the longer video. Thank you for bringing us along on your journey. ❤
@brianclarke71696 ай бұрын
Look how competent you have both become since the start of your journey. Another very pleasant and interesting video. Thank you.
@leejentaylor61956 ай бұрын
I started watching you both when you first went up that river on the south coast of England getting used to your boat and learning to sail it - haven't watched for a year or so - your conversations have changed 'Isn't this a nice place to do a haul out" :) :) :) :)
@silverfoxes656 ай бұрын
That is a pretty neat tub chair. It looked like you were really comfortable and enjoying yourself, Becka. Nothing like daybreak or was that sunset. An amazing lightening storm.
@danlindberg19176 ай бұрын
So nice hearing that engine purr! I have so much I want to thank you two sailors for but I don't know where to begin. I'll start with that beautiful sunset leaving Panama!!
@MrClownPower6 ай бұрын
Welcome to Costarica, the only nation without an Army, where by law 90% of the territory must be protected and most of the population has a degree! Nice video! Thanks!
@jimfisk44746 ай бұрын
Hey you both, First time aboard And appreciate you both being Clean and wholesome. I think I will subscribe and enjoy your T r e k s around.❤
@OspreySailingAdventures-ch1mj6 ай бұрын
Wonderful video, I was enthralled all the way through. I sailed these waters when I was 21 and you brought back to me the emotions of how we do life. I loved the donut so true. I’m 58 and just started doing it all again, can’t wait to get back to the remote locations, back to the simple life. Brilliant video, Thankyou.
@stevecrombie53576 ай бұрын
Thank you for the extended cut. Ill spend that much time with you every week no problem. So admit it, that opening scene with the soft light, fish boat and birds, was AI generated right. 😂 I mean holy crab, it was surreal. Glad to see the Coast Guard was friendly. Lightening behind you and that full moon guiding you was just glorious. Onward to new adventures. Stay safe. ❤🙏
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed the extended cut! Your support means a lot to us Steve. I wish AI was that good 😂
@marcmuller95336 ай бұрын
Danke!
@liamegan43036 ай бұрын
Hi Becka. It's brilliant to see you both so happy 😊. Great background music, I'm loving the long video, lol. Those crabs won't eat you, Becka, 🤪😅. That Coastguard was so nice and polite, it's great to have them, that sailing under the moon is fantastic, i couldn't sleep at night when i was on a Yacht last, i kept thinking we were going to hit something or run into a country, lol. Great holiday. You two are so lucky. Costa Rica 🇨🇷. Enjoy yourselves. 😉🫡💯👌👍🏁🇮🇪 Liam (Ireland)
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, Liam! We're glad you enjoyed the video and the background music. Costa Rica has been truly amazing!
@kimrayner87955 ай бұрын
Hi Jake and Bec thanks for your video's , your are both a real breath of fresh air ! Enjoy your video's ,keep them coming the longer the better , all the best and happy sailing 😊 😊😊😊 20:27
@donnawarmouth93296 ай бұрын
I wish you all had netted a couple of those red crabs to show us.. maybe next time. That epic sunset!!! I’ve never seen anything like it!!
@davidforbes77726 ай бұрын
Very glad you had such a good experience in Panama.
@clivestainlesssteelwomble76656 ай бұрын
Thats a wharram Pahi 42 or larger and rather beautiful see Mark of Wilding sailing.. there may be a slightly higher performance version ...with narrower hulls James designed a couple for racers.. 😂 Mind you a Pahi can move sweetly in double figures with a cruising rig. The biggest wharram is the Pahi 63 it has two masts. Hanneka Boone James's partner captains Spirit of Gaia... You will likely find Wharrams miles from anywhere.. especially across the Pacific and Indian ocean... 🧙🏻♂️🇬🇧 So you will always get reminders of Plymouth and Cornwall.
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this interesting information about the Wharram Pahi boats! We love what Mark has been doing. Wow we'll have to check out the 63 😊
@clivestainlesssteelwomble76656 ай бұрын
@@TeuluTribe There's also the Wharram Islanders at 50 and 60ft they were developed to provide professionally built vessels for Transport and cruising.. so have more enclosed deck accommodation. See Sailing in the Sea of Japan.. they are more like larger Wharram Tiki's. So more space in the hulls and they don't have the up curved prows of the Pahi's. The ultimate wharram.would be built using inventwoods Metelwood based ply and timber and probably be covered in Basalt fiber rather than the old and problematic GRP stuff. Cork seadeck is more durable than teak lighter and softer on the feet ..it doesn't get hot and insulates ...but you're on the wrong side of the world to find that stuff. 😉 Safe sailing both of you.
@martinbeaumont11355 ай бұрын
@@TeuluTribe Who doesn't love what Mark's doing, incredible young lad! @WildlingSailing
@RobertWalker-qg7ej6 ай бұрын
I am awe of your fantastic achievements and look forward to every post on KZbin. I was berthed round the corner from you in Mayflower Marina, following your preps and initial sea trials and here you are now. What an adventure! Stay safe.
@dgordon18446 ай бұрын
love you're channel, not a travel channel, its about sailing and life. So many now are more like a tourist travel channel. I like watching sailing life. than you.
@stuartmould63636 ай бұрын
Hey Becka & Zach loving the extended episode, loving every minute and like I said can’t wait until the next one, take care both safe sailing. ❤
@sjoerdvandriel72016 ай бұрын
It's a Wharram for sure. I see you foi d Wildling Sailing. Amazing job Mark did. And rather good to see he's been getting good help while working on it here in The Netherlands!
@sjoerdvandriel72016 ай бұрын
And what you are doing, btw, is no less amazing.
@GeorgeHarn-e8s6 ай бұрын
Hello, I just watched your videos about the water pump bearing and the people who helped you so much. I was very happy to see that you were able to get the internet for those people. Also I am wondering if you might be planning to try to accumulate more essential spare parts to keep on your boat. Ok I enjoy your videos a lot and will keep watching. Good luck. ciao. Geo
@sifrah56076 ай бұрын
yay new vid! always so intresting how ppl can have such a different lifestyle
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Isn't it crazy how different everyone's lives are?
@mikefetterman67826 ай бұрын
Great episode! Thanks for giving us a glimpse into the life. I have heard that many cruisers are now avoiding Costa Rica altogether because of their check in/out and animal restrictions.
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed the episode! Costa Rica does have some strict regulations, but it's still a beautiful destination for many cruisers.
@danlindberg19176 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Thank you Dan for your unwavering support, it really means a lot to us! 😊
@danlindberg19176 ай бұрын
@@TeuluTribe You are so welcome!!
@Peter-wc4kr6 ай бұрын
Following your journey from the near the beginning and now you are up to almost 100000 subscribers🎆
@camielkotte6 ай бұрын
Cheers for catching a Bonito. My boats name is Bonito. (a 32ft steel sailing yacht from 1964)
@paulstephens52296 ай бұрын
Still knocking it out of the park, do you remember me telling you after your first unaccompanied sail that you’d be salty dogs in no time at all, and here we are you pair of salty dogs. I don’t know why as I don’t even know you personally but I’m so proud of you both.
@Paul-kz3by6 ай бұрын
I just can't get enough of you guys it's all beautiful I will never get to see it 💞 that I watching it with you guys keep up with the sailing around the world ❤❤
@lanerothsailing22936 ай бұрын
My sis loved teaching in Costa Rica and I love the long video
@thetravellerfoulston68806 ай бұрын
Spent some time in Costa Rica during my time in the Royal Navy, fond memories, take care both from Sunny Swansea, well sunny ish x
@Michael-uo8sg6 ай бұрын
Almost 100k subscribers guys. You are doing great and soon, to another adventure. Have a great stay in Costa Rica.
@ragnorremix84266 ай бұрын
Liking the musical vibe in this one guys
@stephaniestearns24936 ай бұрын
Stunning sunset 😍
@Ray-gf9su6 ай бұрын
I absolutely love following you two, you come across as an incredible couple❤️. Thanks for this extra length video, really enjoyed it❤️❤️
@gabedidonato50186 ай бұрын
Love Zach’s Hawaiian shirt 🤙🏼🌴
@richrowley83556 ай бұрын
Loved the vid. The sunset was amazing. Nearly at 100k 😎
@2DLAKE26 ай бұрын
Longer the better…💯 Can pause and watch unlike live
@Captain-Paul6 ай бұрын
Feel your pain when the "fish taste fishy" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@gyjennings6 ай бұрын
Really enjoying your adventures! A suggestion . . . A light wind foresail, such as an asymetrical spinnaker or drifter makes a huge difference when the wind drops. Used ones aren't expensive. Question . . . How does tacking or gybing work with the double headstays? Does the genoa get hung up between them?
@chocolate_fisho98386 ай бұрын
Hey guys love your videos as always! I think wasting alcohol for killing the fresh fish you catch a waste. Could be better used for trading with locals at remote donations. For putting down the fish I would recommend having a glove to hold & a hardwood bat to stun the fish. Once stunned the fish's hart will still be beating & bleeding will be more effective. Also once stunned the fish will feel no pain. Yummy yummy fish for dinner!
@georgeb30086 ай бұрын
The longer videos are the best on the tube❤❤
@DVolvoguy777-x7o6 ай бұрын
Zach, you come across a channel called Wildings Sailing? Mark is restoring and finishing a Wharram cat. Bast part of the Panama adventure is the water pump going out and the blessing you provided a family that needed it. Stay safe!
@DVolvoguy777-x7o6 ай бұрын
Keep your eyes out for SV Basík a Catamaran. Cpt Teal and Linh are on that boat and awesome folks.
@daviddelrosario8286 ай бұрын
A friend of mine who sailed to Hawaii from the Caribbean told me about pouring Rum into the fishes gills. I caught a pretty good size fish while underway and tried it. It Worked! (we did use the cheap Rum)
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Yeah its a really useful tip, just make sure you use the cheap stuff and not the aged 😅
@stevel17336 ай бұрын
Just cut the gills guys. Your eating the fish. Lol
@petemartin15266 ай бұрын
Not far off 100k subs, let's get this channel up to 100k. Great video, as always ❤
@andybrands18836 ай бұрын
I managed to get a massive Stauner right behind where you were anchored !!! Still ,e biggest its great around there ||!!!
@rickfarwell14336 ай бұрын
Hi Teulu! Those are pelagic red crabs, we've had them in Southern California, USA in several recent years. They're like fresh water crayfish/crawdads but in the ocean from the surface to hundreds of feet down (or more). Love your channel:)
@JohnHMoore6 ай бұрын
This person and I are not saying something different… tuna crabs = pelagic red crabs… just two different common names for Pleuroncodes planipes
@IggysPop6 ай бұрын
Absolutely awesime content yall. I love you guys...keep doin what you're doing.
@ianbatchelor18546 ай бұрын
Loving the longer videos, excellent work enjoyed every minute ❤
@smoothsailing77736 ай бұрын
Well done, enjoying your story. To whatever commenters say above....just remember, clicks are $$, and $$ keeps you going. Always follow your OWN game plan. If its to circumnavigate and share your experiences, it takes $$ people. Simple as that. Cheers and luck! Reply
@SandyCurrie8656 ай бұрын
Great episode! You guys look very happy!! I have a cruising tip for you……S/V Basil a.k.a. Onboard Lifestyle have a great series of videos of their trip from Mexico down to Costa Rico (fyi they are a cat with a crew of 3). They are actually now through the Panama Canal and in San Blas. But their videos are behind real time and you should watch them in reverse order. The one out in the last few days is from a small bay in Costa Rico. You should watch all their videos so you can see the interesting spots that they have visited. Lots of great tips and great people. Very cautious and competent sailors.
@huwowen79176 ай бұрын
I have been enjoying your videos so nice to see you both enjoying your adventures .Think itsa fantastic achivement , keep it up and best wishes and good winds.
@ralphholiman74016 ай бұрын
It would make me feel pretty good knowing they are patrolling the isolated areas like that.
I do enjoy your channel. Thank you for the content
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
I'm glad you enjoy the content! Thanks for watching!
@feynthefallen6 ай бұрын
3:12 and that, children, is why ships not equipped with an integral anchor chain washing system always have a hose party or two on the focsle when weighing anchor.
@TeuluTribe6 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing that insight, we definitely need one of these!
@feynthefallen6 ай бұрын
@@TeuluTribe I don't think they make 'em for ships less than a couple hundred feet in length, but a garden hose and a run-off-the-mill seawater pump should be quite enough for you. You definitely don't want that gunk in your chain locker OR your winch. Might as well lubricate it with lapping paste.
@01dumbfrog18 күн бұрын
It’s what we in the US call a “range light” if the lights are one above the other you are in the channel (or dredged area)
@TerryHiggins-mw4nh6 ай бұрын
I've felt like that fish on vodka but I generally wake up😂
@jodywarrender42846 ай бұрын
Pretty sure it’s a wharram 42 pahi! But looks like it has a tiki38 style cabin/ pilot house!
@idiotinakayakrayarratoon99306 ай бұрын
well done guys another excellent video, keep em coming X
@KoalityofLife6 ай бұрын
The catamaran you were looking at looks like a Wharam Pahi design. I personally like the Tiki design more but I would take either one if someone were to give one to me. lol :)
@WilliamFiler6 ай бұрын
The Osa Penninsuela. Nice spot.
@greglaing37216 ай бұрын
Ease the main sheet before bringing it up the traveller to take the load of the main then trim main again