Unexplained Compact Mass Found Inside Messier 4 Cluster (Black Hole Or Something Else?)

[@a59x]

This guy is meant to educate, i follow other people who cover Space discoveries and news that are on par with Anton like Fraser Cain, Astrum, PBS Space Time but Anton is just something else and knows just the right amount of wording needed to deliver the information properly while keeping you excited for the next piece, it's truly magical.

[@LC-yo3bj]

100%. Some would say he's about that life.

[@Fanelsis]

He's organized and to the point. Precise.

[@drbuckley1]

Anton is a Wonderful Person.

[@zephyramethyst9455]

same! ur analysis is so on point. love those other channels but every piece of anton’s formula, not the least of which being his truly wonderful & heartfelt personality, manages to put his channel head n shoulders above the rest of them imo. tysm AP :3

[@drbuckley1]

@@TheDentedHelmet It depends on angular momentum.

[@michaelmcaleese5039]

I love how Anton is quite willing to say "We don't know the answer." This is a wonderful thing in science,; it means there is more to discover.

[@PR0JECT-2201]

My reason for appreciating it is because intellectuals have MOON SIZED EGO'S, to the point of being narsacistic. Keeping ego OUT OF SCIENCE is a beautiful thing to witness!

[@Hensch]

I've seen this star cluster hundreds of times with the naked eye in my rural hometown in Germany. It's very dim, but even as a kid I remembered asking my dad why there are so many stars grouped together when I first saw it

[@charlesdufour9276]

It is definitely possible for those with better eye sight. Typically when the phrase "visible with the naked eye" is used, it refers to people with average sight under good conditions. Ganymede and Calisto shouldn't be visible to the naked eye because of how bright Jupiter is, but when they are aligned properly some people can see them.

[@guerrillaradio9953]

@@charlesdufour9276 True, and light pollution is also a major factor. Even at 40, I can see all 4 Galilean satellites on a clear night in autumn as long as I am very far out into the country with minimum light pollution. I still don't need glasses, however, but my low light vision is markedly worse.

[@Flesh_Wizard]

I thought the same with the Pleiades cluster. I just saw a group of stars very close together and wondered why

[@centralintwatt]

Man I can't tell you how much I appreciate your content. No bs, clickbait, or misinformation. Any time something is speculation or not understood yet, you clarify that to be the case. Furthermore your descriptions and explanations are straightforward and concise. Thank you!!

[@DoctyrEvil]

I always thought globular clusters were old dwarf galaxy cores, and that they had to have something like an intermediate black hole at the center to hold them together. But I guess that's not a popular explanation anymore.

[@SousukeAizen421]

not all globular cluster only small minority of them,a remnant of a core of a dwarf galaxy usually characterized by the different age of its stars unlike a True globular cluster where the age of all of its stars is pretty much the same

[@DoctyrEvil]

@@SousukeAizen421 oh that's very interesting. So it may be that there are distinct populations of global clusters, each with it's own specific origin. A window into the early universe right here in our backyard.

[@cacogenicist]

@@SousukeAizen421 - Perhaps the clusters with only very old stars (and a bunch of white dwarfs) are sort of aborted, proto-galactic cores, that were prevented from developing further.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

It's so cool when new things are found! I love it! Thank you, Anton, for bringing cool science to us every day. It's such a great thing you do! ❤❤

[@Bearkat87]

From my understanding, the stars in these clusters probably don’t have planets, but if your civilization decided to forever live in ships (or probes whizzing around would apply too), globular clusters seem like an ideal place to always be able to get solar energy as you move from place to place.

[@thefinestsake1660]

Prime real-estate

[@cacogenicist]

Average distance between stars would be rather small -- I think about 1 ly -- which would be nice for relatively coherent interstellar civilizations. Often stars would be much closer than that. 🙂Also, if you were on the surface of a very old planet, it would be quite a spectacular night sky.

[@bugsy742]

@@cacogenicist It would be incredible 😎

[@Aurinkohirvi]

Why wouldn't they have planets?

[@alden1132]

@@thefinestsake1660 Prime-Directice real estate... 😁

[@Pillarofcreation1]

Best science news channel.

[@thehuslewithnomuscle1513]

We Must Protect This Woderful Person At All Cost

[@-jeff-]

TY Anton for really taking a bite out of the center of a cluster.

[@giger4321]

Anton - started watching your vids the past year, and now a regular subscriber. Keep up the great work on your content

[@yvonnemiezis5199]

Interesting as always ,thanks😊

[@surferdude4487]

The idea that it could be a bunch of very old, very cold white dwarves appeals to me.

[@youareliedtobythemedia]

Finally somebody found my mom

[@A.G.P.115]

Haha love your mom!

[@adamkilroe9840]

​@@A.G.P.115swap you your mum for mine please! Mine is just a little bit toxic.

[@100legallystupid]

​@@adamkilroe9840antidote?

[@ZionistWorldOrder]

yo mama so fat ?

[@benruniko]

Mine emits high power ionizing photons. Can’t be her.

[@bruniau]

Hello Anton, i have a question for you ; why do globular cluster not flaten out , i understand that the speed of stars on the axis of rotation counter balance gravity but how about the stars closer to the '' poles '' should'nt they just be attracted to the center ? Like usual your channel is A+.

[@Owenrobot]

as far as I know it doesn’t rotate with poles like you’re thinking, each star has its own trajectory around the center and some are on elliptical orbits, sort of like a swarm of flies

[@robertfrost6522]

Anton, Thru a small telescope I made I saw the Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, and then M13....A chandelier in the heavens, It was then I began to understand Carl Sagan....Now, many of us follow you, Keep up the great work.

[@foxyfarhad]

I have a theory… Perhaps galactic clusters are formed from the massive amount of material from the center of other galaxies that collided with the Milky Way The gas didn’t have a chance to form so many stars when orbiting the center of the previous galaxy but was then able to do so when it collided with the milky way. The supermassive black hole from the previous galaxy likely merged with ours which allowed rapid star formation creating the galactic cluster that was previously not possible. Since there was so many stars formed and possibly going nova, it may have created newer and smaller black holes which may be what they are now orbiting. Just a thought

[@SRGoldfish]

It’s so mind blowing how you’re talking about something that’s just a spec of something out there that’s just 0000001% of what we even “kind” of understand. Our minds can’t realistically even come close to comprehend what you’re realistically trying to explane.

[@tayzonday]

Our sun might have come from the gas remnants of that cluster’s activity. I think I can see my arms and legs 👀

[@ghostbirdlary]

star dust rain

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

As a layman I don't understand how so much mass so close together can even exist.

[@catalinacurio]

The more you teach us the more we want to know, time is so frustrating. 😊

[@WWeronko]

M-4 as globular clusters go is rather small. Its total mass is estimated at 84,000 solar masses. However it is home to more than 100,000 stars and the cluster is predicted to contain up to 40,000 white dwarfs. One star in M-4 has been found to be a binary star with a pulsar companion, PSR B1620−26 and a planet orbiting it with a mass of 2.5 times that of Jupiter. If there is a technological civilization on any the planets in M-4 it would probably be very ancient and not to be messed with.

[@aman_s_96]

Scientists think that global clusters won't have civilisations, because stars are too close to each other, so most stars wouldn't be able to have stable orbits required for habitual planets.

[@WWeronko]

@@aman_s_96 Perhaps the core stars that is true. The outer regions are probably stable enough.

[@thefinestsake1660]

​@Amandeep S. Great place for a flotilla of habitat ships, though. You'd always have enough power available and lots of stars to lift from. And what a view it'd be!

[@AndrewBlacker-wr2ve]

Wouldn't the amount of radiation preclude all cellular development?

[@quivalla]

@@aman_s_96 At that stage hypothetical ancient civilizations might not be living on planets but on constructed mechanical systems. Unlimited power sources all around and the ability to move. Its cool to think about. To ponder if our own industrial age occurred 500,000 years ago and there was no environmental or social event to impede development we most assuredly would be harnessing stars for power.

[@stargazer5784]

Thx Anton. It has been thought for quite some time that globular clusters may be the remnant cores of small galaxies absorbed by the Milky Way in the distant past. Their pattern of distribution around the center of the Milky Way is basically spherical and uniform, suggesting that the smaller galaxies were captured during an epoch when the universe contained more of them and they were coming from all directions. It follows that there is a chance of there then being a somewhat substantial collapsar present in some of their centers. Similarly, the cores of galaxies are typically dominated by populations of very ancient dwarf stars. Globular clusters are beautiful targets and fun to hunt for using a backyard telescope.

[@1ordof1o1]

i love how this channel grew.... u deserv it anton

[@Dylan_ISA]

I'm sitting here thinking how do all those stars fit in there, I just don't understand how massive the scale is

[@davidh.4944]

Yeah, it is kind of difficult to wrap your head around, but a big part of it is not recognizing just how much volume there is in a 3-dimensional sphere. The formula for the volume of a sphere is (4/3) × π × r³. M4 is about 36ly in radius. Plugging that into the formula gives a volume of about 200k ly³. With about 100k stars, that's two cubic light years per star. So not that dense overall. Of course the distribution is not uniform, and the majority of the stars are packed into the center of the cluster. Cutting both numbers in half, 50k stars in an 18ly radius, still allows almost 0.5 ly³ per star. In short, space is big. 😁

[@AceSpadeThePikachu]

In order for a black hole to emit X-Rays it needs to have an accretion disk. Accretion disks form when matter gets too close and is subsequently shredded by tidal forces. If these clusters have been quiet for billions of years then perhaps it's been billions of years since any matter came close enough to the central black hole to feed an accretion disk. Thus we may need to pin it down using other methods, like gravitational lensing or finding stars that orbit much closer and get accelerated to a significant fraction the speed of light, like how we did for Sagittarius A*.

[@markwilliamson2795]

Man this is some crazy dream we are all having...

[@dasanoneia4730]

fascinating imagine what the night sky looks like there

[@koomber777]

Said it on the last video, but as good as cameras are, globular clusters are just so much better visually.

[@stargazer5784]

They most certainly are. Open clusters are also quite beautiful. I was blessed with seeing conditions so good one night that the members of the double cluster in Perseus were seen to be twinkling. Flippin' awesome.

[@mojofilta27]

Could it be a galactic Lagrange point?

[@JackWMatrix]

I always wonder if owls and other nocturnal animals are able to see these astronomical objects all the time. There are several that are as large as the full moon, but are so faint that humans cannot see them with the naked eye.

[@petersaczko6192]

This is where lost socks go.

[@Poske_Ygo]

VIDEO IDEA: EGYPT QUATTARA DEPRESSION - FILLING IT UP WITH MEDITERRIAN SEA. This would have vast benefits for egypt, it would lower the sea level... great practice for Mars.. It would bring green to a part of Sahara. Not enough youtubers talked about it... You are big youtuber help us bring more enginners to this idea. Inspire. Its what you do.

[@charlescowan6121]

"Mom, Dad! Don't touch it! It's evil!"

[@austin6174]

Imagine what it would be like to look at the night sky from a planet in the middle of the cluster 😮

[@jaymethodus3421]

remnant black hole cores from the end of 1st era mass formation

[@jaymethodus3421]

They’re an inert exotic state of matter that contain most of the heat energy from the first era of the universe, stored in a hypercrystal structure as extremely large almost no mass particles that “exist” at the same point, eg the singularity, but they no longer have an event horizon. This type of matter, in it’s “cold” state has very unusual gravitational properties; other matter is not affected by it, but it is affected by other matter. As it gets closer to other matter and “heats” up, it still attracts towards that matter, but begins releasing overpressures of energy as “space time”, in an opposite way that a typical BH “sucks” space time inward. This is all a bit counter intuitive, but it’s true. This is what dark matter and dark energy are, and the energy released by these masses in the “heat” state , is responsible for the observed “inflation” of the universe.

[@charlesjmouse]

Intriguing... One assumes globular clusters are a relic of processes that are no longer possible, given they are made of similarly aged very old stars. While this evidence might fit an intermediate size black hole at the centre of such clusters the question is how? Really large population 3 stars might have had the mass to produce such a black hole but as currently understood they would probably undergo Pair-instability Supernovae which are currently understood to leave no 'remnant' at all! FWIW: My personal theory as to how globular clusters formed: Take a hugely massive population 3 Star in the early universe, almost certainly surrounded by a halo of relatively dense gas as a result of relative abundance and the huge output of such a star 'compressing' the gas around it. Said star quickly goes through it's life-cycle which ends in a huge Pair-instability Supernova sending a shockwave through the gas halo surrounding said star. That shockwave would set off the mother of all star-burst activity in the gas halo around said star leading to a 'globe' of thousands of newly formed stars. Said 'globe' of new stars would subsequently collapse under it's own weight until conservation of momentum imparted enough angular momentum to the new star cluster to stabilise it at more-or-less 'modern' globular cluster size. A good deal of the remaining gas and stars at the centre of the cluster might be 'compressed' down to inevitably form an intermediate mass black hole. The upshot of the formation of said stars and black hole would be twofold: The cluster would be stabilised around the central mass to survive until today, while the mass-formation of stars and black hold would send a further shockwave through the cluster ejecting remaining gas, therefore shutting off all subsequent star formation - so explaining why such clusters are exclusively made of stars of the same age. Does the physics of this scenario work out? I believe it would if you start with a suitable candidate population 3 star and gas halo, within fairly tight constraints - this would also explain why globular clusters are fairly numerous but not everywhere. Sadly, as I'm not a professional astrophysicist; while I'm not anyone else has come up with this 'theory' I'm in no position to present it for 'peer review'.

[@stargazer5784]

No worries concerning peer review here my friend. Your model may hold the key to how the first galactic cores were formed. The cores of galaxies and globular clusters are very similar in morphology and in their stellar populations. It's entirely possible that giant pop. 3 stars don't undergo a pair instability event and instead go through a more typical core collapse scenario on a grand scale. This might leave behind a substantial black hole which would then serve as a gravitational anchor of sorts, drawing the subsequently formed new stars from your super star burst event idea into a neat spherical shape. Anything akin a pop. 3 star going supernova, considering their potential mass, would certainly have a dramatic impact on the immediate, and not so immediate vicinity. This kind of thing is always fun to speculate about. Cheers! 😎

[@kaussey4]

7:13 - 7:33 Anton "right in the middle "Petrov 😂

[@stevenkarnisky411]

Thank you, Anton. What is the average distance between the stars in globular clusters, this one in particular? Could their very density be blocking emissions from the central mass? If humanity cannot figure out how to actually get stuff out there to explore, someof these mysteries will take billions of years to solve!

[@kespeisithoe9329]

Can you explain why it hasn’t flattened out through spin over 13m yrs please ?

[@jimcurtis9052]

Wonderful as always anton. Thank you. 😊

[@BleachDemon707]

Are you a bot account or something?

[@borismedved835]

7:40 Did you say that the "not particularly large" object is "No more than three thousand astronomical units across"? My ears are 83 years old... maybe they didn't get that right. That sounds more than just particularly large.

[@brianorca]

It's all relative. In this case, they are describing the maximum volume which contains the 800 solar masses. Since having 1000 separate stars inside that volume seems improbable, something more compact must be in there. A black hole seems the most likely explanation. A black hole would of course be much much smaller than that diameter, but this study only defined an upper bound for the diameter, not the actual size.

[@jamm8284]

Quick theory, would stars in a star cluster live longer than an independent star? If the fusion in stars is from the gravitational force squeezing it into the centre, if there were orbiting large magnetic bodies, would it ease some of the force trying to pull it into the centre by equally or in any manner pulling on the matter in the other direction? Would that reduce the amount of pressure on the core and slowing the fusion rate?

[@stargazer5784]

Neat idea, but probably not. Anything close enough and powerful enough to exert that kind of influence on the core of a star would likely disrupt the star completely. But still, you never know...

[@brianstevens3858]

"age-metallicity relation of globular clusters " Google scholar it.

[@jamm8284]

@@stargazer5784 Yes I was more thinking about the pressure created by the plasma matter. Like the pressure increase in depth of water. If you had something basically equalling the gravitational force that is pulling the water down and creating the pressure, surely it would relieve some of the pressure as that body of matter theoretically would be weightless or close to. There would be an exchange of matter for the light most outer parts and the centre is too distant and dense to be directly affected and because they are stars each one let's off enough matter that when it is stripped by one star it is refilled by another nearby star allowing the stars to neither be diffused or turn to a white dwarf or black hole ect 13B year old stars in a cluster that haven't died or been absorbed by their neighbour, seems almost immortal, if you can call a star mortal and immortal 🤷‍♂️

[@jamm8284]

@@brianstevens3858 is that the fusion of matter into metallic element like magnesium and iron. My theory is that all still works as normal in normal circumstances but you also need the right amount of pressure to reach them landmarks, what if the pressure never gets to that level because of the equilibrium between the stars and the matter that would normally be pushed into the core for fusion is also being pulled away from the core by the neighbouring stars?

[@jamm8284]

Like a mag-lev globe, if the globe represents matter trying to reach the base (core) to fuse, the upper magnet makes that practically impossible. I dont know if hydrogen and other elements have half lifes like radioactive substances, it either diffuses and remains that element or fuses to create a new one. I'm not sure, but again that's my theory of these "immortal" stars. I've only thought of this from watching this video and I'm far from a physicist, my background is construction 🤣

[@Air_Wiggles]

We need a "mystery book" tshirt.

[@rowshambow]

Anton, please do a video about some quasars being aligned in galactic filaments despite being separated by billions of lightyears 🙏

[@Datenmaschine]

have you any sources?

[@rowshambow]

@Datenmaschine a bunch of stuff was published in 2014 ish. If you google "Quasars allignment in galaxy" you should find lots.

[@pauls5745]

I think he did a piece on filaments, but might have been referencing dark matter. definitely worth doing another piece on, there's more to filaments than have been analyzed

[@rowshambow]

@@pauls5745 sweet. I will look for that one

[@joradcliffe565]

Were brown dwarfs mentioned, if they were i missed it ?

[@user-ed1mj5zk6f]

Like always a fantastic show. Thank you so much.

[@cyndicorinne]

What size or power of consumer telescope would be able to see the globular cluster?

[@alden1132]

Perhaps they're something like failed galaxies, maybe a kind of structure that might have continued to grow/gain mass if they'd formed earlier in the lifespan of the universe, or near larger concentrations of matter. Perhaps congregations and mergers of such objects are what caused the initial formation of galaxies in the early universe? I kind of like the idea of galaxies containing little "siblings" that started forming around the same time, but never had the chance to grow into galaxies in their own right, and so were "adopted" by their larger siblings! Mini-galaxies, that never left home! 🤣

[@cacogenicist]

Yeah, a bully galaxy in their neighborhood may have stunted their growth, then ingested the little aborted galactic cores whole. ... something like that, perhaps.

[@Sneakyboson]

@@cacogenicist Pretty sure that's exactly what Andromeda has done to one of it's constituent clusters, Mayall II. The age of it's stars indicates it may have been the core of a galaxy that was subsumed. The core of the cluster also has an intermediate mass black hole of around 20,000 solar masses which also supports it's galactic origin.

[@frankjoseph4273]

How do the stars burn so long ?

[@Alfred-Neuman]

They have a lot of gazoline inside them. Duh...

[@bugsy742]

It’s all the missing socks from earth!

[@stargazer5784]

So, clothes dryers are actually portals to deep space... I mean, you know, you put 3 pairs of socks in the dryer (6 socks total), but only 5 come out! No wonder I can't ever find the damn things!

[@greggweber9967]

Assuming that it is old and new stars aren't being continuously formed to replace stars that are no more, what keeps them falling together into a pile?

[@ArtisanTony]

That's a complete cluster . . :)

[@chpet1655]

So this is a massive group of stars that’s just been floating through the galaxy since the beginning of the universe ? And I assume they just get scooped up by the Milky Way as it goes along. It’s a little hard to understand how these all clusters came to be. I assume every galaxy has a large number of these clusters.

[@stargazer5784]

They do. M87 has over 1000.

[@darylbrown8834]

8:06 ' Is what I imagine after looking at 2 magnets on a ferrocell. Stellar mass black holes spinning around and into each other' on there way towards the center? Concentrating pressures (null counter syncs)to the middle from the closest collection of stellar masses in that zone. Is it possible that all the stars within a globular cluster could ( and I've commented on this before) act like a loose collection of domain walls for the total mass that is a globular cluster? 🧲🗜️➡️⬅️💢-⚡🧲 within 🕳️so when things get together that is the erasure of space.

[@ethansedai870]

So, what makes it so hard to find the object at the cemter? They seem to know approximately where the center is at, so why not just point a powerful telescope right there?

[@bobosstopshelf4217]

Just the thought of what could be at its center its size gravity ect just captures why i love space science an dreamed of space as a child

[@Acid_Viking]

Okay, I'm sorry for leaving my structure in the middle of Messier 4. I'll have it removed. However, I find it more than a little passive aggressive that you'd frame your request as an informational video on KZbin instead of contacting me directly.

[@PlanetTwilow]

At only 75ly across, how has M4 stars not collapsed into each other over billions of years? What keeps them apart?

[@filonin2]

Their kinetic energy. Same reason Earth does not fall into the Sun.

[@JaSon-wc4pn]

Magnets, always with the magnets

[@Aurinkohirvi]

Or slingshot each others away.

[@gordiebrooks]

If it’s a black hole then they should be able to see a lensing effect !!

[@LuciferMornStar]

Let me ask a stupid question! If there was black hole in the center of that many stars wouldnt it be spitting out gammaray bursts and gobbling up the cluster?. Oops got another. If there were multiple objects in the center, shouldn't their interaction be violent enough to detect in gravitational waves? It's already be proposed that there could be remnants of blackholes or even planets that could be leftovers from a previous universe. Messer came together real soon after hydrogen and helium started forming stars. Couldnt say a core from a dead blackhole have the gravitational mass to gather a cloud of hydrogen and started forming stars? Guess that was 3 questions! Thanks Anton!

[@mikewade777]

This is why we have odd socks. I think this phenomena was covered by Ren and Stimpy

[@תומרקוחן]

Why not looking into it with the JWST

[@peteredwards2318]

Unless I am hideously mistaken, a black hole needn't put out any signatures in any frequency or wavelength, unless it is in an active phase, that is, unless matter accretes around it. So, it could be that this object is powerful enough to corral the old stars in the cluster, but is so small that the orbits of these stars don't bring them close enough to be trapped in a cosmic circle moshpit of an accretion disk/be consumed by the black hole.

[@Navak_]

exactly. the cluster has been there for so long that there is no more loose interstellar gas for the black hole to consume which would cause it to emit. all the blue stars in the cluster died long ago; now only the long-lived stars are left. they die so infrequently that there just isn't an opportunity for gas clouds to accumulate and interact with the black hole

[@johnriley4185]

Could be a white hole at the center to give fuel

[@thefinestsake1660]

😂 yea, and it's pooping out all those stars that were sucked up a long long time ago in another part of timespace.

[@johnriley4185]

It could be what was sucked up by a black hole spit out a white hole in a completely different structure,like it is. Pure power.

[@zippythinginvention]

Small black holes would have such a small event horizon that maybe they very rarely if ever consume anything.

[@stevesloan6775]

I could imagine globular clusters come from specific types of supernovae. The supernovae would have to be able to have lots and lots of gravitational interactions. Those interactions are very good at forming stars that have a calibrated distance between them. 🤓

[@Lesser302]

Could it be the joining points of 1-3-5 in a development stage of mass maybe ?

[@stevesloan6775]

Could that star cluster be a galactic scale version of 24 carrot? In the sense the star cluster resembles the electron cloud orbiting a gold atom???

[@canonwright8397]

Well, don't ask me; I'm still trying to figure out how many licks it takes to get the center of a tootsie pop. 🍭

[@the80hdgaming]

Damn... M4... Literally the 4th Messier object named...

[@seanhewitt603]

It's the MAW, from star wars legends... where the death star was originally prototyped.

[@danhadley2676]

Could it be a white hole in the middle of the M4 cluster ??

[@MCsCreations]

Fascinating stuff. Heavy stuff! 🤘😊

[@lawrencebashlor8811]

It would be cool if it was a computer

[@brianstevens3858]

I think we need to develop a field of study that combines cosmology and sub atomics, until we define the commonalities we won't be able to pin down that which is fundamental to both. Yes they are different realms, that's the point.

[@stargazer5784]

Your point is well taken, but we already have... It's called astrophysics. 👍 Many may not realize it, but cosmologists don't just dream up ideas about how the universe formed and evolved out of thin air. Cosmologists must be as well versed in particle physics and a number of other disciplines as any physicist working at a particle accelerator or in any physics laboratory. Their job is to take all of our accumulated knowledge of particle physics and then apply that knowledge to trying to understand the universe in which we live. A daunting task to say the least. Cosmology is a very multi-disciplinary field of study.

[@brianstevens3858]

@@stargazer5784 Yea, it was clearly a rhetorical device, to bring attention to that fact. Sorry I have a habit of forgetting the reason for Poe's law.

[@brianstevens3858]

@@stargazer5784 I also make any apologies nesc. to ESA and JAXA, and anyone else who I may have inadvertently offended.

[@brianstevens3858]

@@stargazer5784 In the note of apology I should have used {IF only there was} instead of {I think we need}, It certainly would have carried better.

[@beerandrockets7526]

Yes. VERY big playlist..

[@IronMan-kz8tg]

Small black hole or an intermediate may be the anchor .

[@kencreten7308]

I've been wondering about this extra mysterious mass, seemingy all over my body.... Like a black hole, my event horizon keeps expanding.

[@aWitty]

Could be a globular cluster.

[@sscjessica]

So uh, whats the mass of a dysonaphere? While a joke i figure we can roughly calculate them, im not sure how i guess through measuring the curvature of light near the object? I just don't know.

[@Bassotronics]

Unexplained Mysteries channel. *Something Massive* 😂

[@mamoruchiba752]

4:55 sooo you're saying there actually is no american flag on the moon? Bc all those things that were supposedly left behind are at least as luminous as a small weak bulb. Pls explain that

[@A_piece_of_broccoli]

I still think we need to stop calling them "holes" Theyre massively dense objects that have such high mass that they literally bend light with their gravity to the point of creating an optical illusion of time dillation. Time doesnt actually slow down, it just appears to do so from outside the event horizon due to the light speed being dragged down by the gravity. This is why we see spaghettification, its not that things are actually strewn about and ripped apart slowly, but rather that the light emitted is slowly transferred to our eyes the further into the center whatever we are observing gets. Think of pointing a camera at a screen that it is feeding the image to. If you wave your hand in front of it, you see the delay visibly as it cascades through the tunnel in the screen until it just appears black again. Same concept on a massive scale multiplied by the physics of gravity. Basically, black holes are comprised of the heaviest elements in the universe, and the reaction from super criticality in a vacuum is what gives us our particle streams that they emit, anything less dense than the central element will be forced into plasma states and expelled faster than light due to the energy absorbed from the slowing of light to begin with. Its extreme gravity that does this, and we cant replicate it without destroying ourselves. Black holes are essentially the product of a photonic boom, where something has surpassed the speed of light. That something, is the black holes own gravity.

[@j.campbell4497]

Perhaps it is an intermediate mass black hole and the reason why We're not seeing any emissions or jet activity Is due to the age of the cluster all of its gas or any other easily absorbed materials long ago exhausted, the black hole simply has nothing to eat. This seems to me to fit in nicely with the fact that there is no new star formation in these ancient clusters Not enough material form new stars accretion disks jets or any other type of emission from the black hole that we would be able to detect.

[@billykuan]

Perhaps this is original material that did not explode completely in the beginning. In any explosion there are chunks.

[@michaeljames5936]

Surely a collection of black holes, would suck in the whole cluster??

[@catherinehubbard1167]

My non-astronomer guess: it’s an intermediate-mass black hole. It is dark because all the available matter not in the surrounding stars was swept up ages ago. 13 billion years is long enough for that, it seems to me. I would like for calculations to be made with a model with a 800 solar mass black hole and the stars of the cluster, starting with reasonable amounts of interstellar dust and gas - though I wonder if dust would be produced in such an ancient, chemically primitive environment - and running it for 13 million years of evolution. Variations could include (1) a starting huge supernova of one or a few Population 3 stars, and/or (2) passes through the galaxy with tidal force effects. I don’t know if such complex model calculations are possible, but the results would be interesting.

[@MadPotty01]

How do they determine the age of a star if we have only had the means to monitor them with powerful telescopes for a few hundred years?

[@hankscorpio42069]

Why must there be a structure at the centre? Space can interact with itself. Perhaps the stars that make up the structure bend space-time to make it appear as though there is a massive structure in the middle. Now tell me why I'm wrong lol.

[@kimblecheat]

It’s Aliens.

[@jamesgreenler8225]

So many do called black holes. They are important in ways we don't understand.

[@anaryl]

It's a big proton

[@vascodesena]

No metal or polarity?

[@Razerfreak1]

the real question is why it isnt forming the classic disc-shape that normal galaxys take. the gravitational forces must be spread for it to form a cluster like this, no?

[@whatdamath]

globular clusters are one of the bigger mysteries out there, nobody actually knows how they formed or why more of them are not forming today. so the day someone figures it out it's probably going to lead to Nobel prize

[@stargazer5784]

Probably just a quiescent black hole. With no gas or dust to form an accretion disc, there's no emissions either.

[@Aurinkohirvi]

Globular cluster centers are very dense. If it is hundreds of white dwarfs (or small black holes), shouldn't they slingshot each others away? And thus after billions of years... there shouldn't be many left?

[@azadroxo]

Maybe a dark matter black hole?

[@joshua3171]

Interesting

[@Theprofessorator]

Didn't you release a video recently regarding rogue blackholes with a trail of stars behind them and we thought we'd seen one at a perpendicular angle? What if this was one of those, but head on or tail on? 😮

[@tyrantworm7392]

That was deemed to be a side on galaxy without no galactic bulge.

[@beepboop204]