Unfiltered I Why Should Orania Exist In A Non-Racial SA?

Section 235 of the South African Constitution acknowledges the right of cultural groups to self-determination. But what about the Afrikaner enclave of Orania which also uses race to determine who can be allowed to live in that community? Thirty-two years after its establishment, the Orania experiment continues to baffle South Africans and the world about why it is allowed to exist in stark contrast to the spirit of the Constitution which frowns against racism.
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[@janchristiaanpeens4470]

The attack on Orania is not about race it's about their success.

[@itumelengpheeha9513]

As successful as it is for the mere fact that not every one can simply move in there is the problem. We can learn from them but that does not make this situation acceptable.

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

@@itumelengpheeha9513 Are you saying that we don't have the right to associate with whom we please ?

[@nedor64]

@@itumelengpheeha9513 it is a "cultural" city if anyone is allowed into Orania then you can just as well close the town.

[@itumelengpheeha9513]

@@nedor64 Orania is not established as a cultural city. As long as the Afrikaner people see themselves as separate we will never have genuine peace. We will always live in a US vs them . I am against the changing of certain historical place names for example because we are removing parts of our collective history. Places like Orania and their policies will keep reminding the Majority that they are seen as less than...and when the masses rise up all will be I flames

[@PrincessVelaryon]

​@@itumelengpheeha9513Its a perfect example of white privilege. People will praise a small village of 3k people and call it a success but black people make a success of entire cities with millions of people but are never recognized for that success. Why are we praising them where they have done the bare minimum

[@ChrisTus83]

The interviewer, in his preparation for the interview, should have familiarised himself with the more than 100 anti-white laws on our law books.

[@user-ud3iw2il3g]

Exactly. Let's also not ignore the calls by Julius Malema for genocide of white farmers

[@fezilemkohli6844]

What 😂😂😂?!

[@jean-pierrecarolissen2591]

go back to Amsterdam where you belong

[@ConsciousCaracal]

If a town of 3000 people, which you probably can't even find on a map, is giving you sleepless nights, you don't have any real problems or struggles. I can't imagine a more comfortable, luxurious, privileged life than one where one of your biggest worries is the fact that Orania exists.

[@OnlyRandi]

@Concious Caral exactly....whether we like it or not at Orania they have taken living in cohesion and moving foward seriously.....look at our townships and cities outside the orania state it is not an ideology which we had imagined post the apartheid regime let us give credit where it is due and stop this blame game.

[@liveinwisdom3610]

3000 turns, into 30 million. Nothing wrong with Orania, but go do that in the Netherlands.

[@lightningRatPack]

@@lungamasuku6872 WOW that so sad haha keep crying in your pillow. :)

[@HeleenHenstock]

I cannot for the life of me, understand why Orania bothers black people. Are they jealous because that Afrikaner group can, with their own hard work, build a place for themselves that works in all aspects? They have their own schools, libraries, infrastructure and water and sanitation that work because they are not waiting for the useless government to do it for them. I, myself as a white person in SA do not qualify to live in Orania but I respect their ethics and integrity to build their own community and live and protect their own culture.

[@OnlyRandi]

@@HeleenHenstock as a black woman or person I don't understand either they are probably bothered because we are projecting and we don't want to admit to our incompetence with 29 years in government. Thieving has and still is our legacy.

[@thabisomacatsha9295]

I see nothing wrong about Orania. Let the Boers self determine.

[@OGQMdawini]

Rubbish white supremecy where in Europe are Africans allowed to self determine? Southafricans are weak to allow their colonial masters such freedom to be the end of them

[@smr4712]

ag shame KFR, go pick your nose with your ugly children on the side of the road and beg white superior people for food you useless.. @@OGQMdawini

[@smr4712]

we are superior, just look in the mirror KFR @@OGQMdawini

[@natovaneeden1757]

​@@smr4712 you dumb

[@sirdon1232]

As every cultural group who hopes to survive should do.

[@theresaburdett1054]

Its called freedon of association. People dont like Orania because it is so sucessfull as a town. Probably one of the most sucessful towns in SA.

[@giselealmeidavellozakildai3335]

Well done Orania. If ANC can't run a fully functioning and non racial SA, without BEE then communities in SA must do this.

[@cornecloete69]

100%

[@QuantumL]

Whats your particular issue with BEE?

[@cornecloete69]

@@QuantumL what's your particular issue with aparthied?

[@giselealmeidavellozakildai3335]

@@QuantumL BEE? It's racist....like apartheid.

[@QuantumL]

@@giselealmeidavellozakildai3335 How would you have compensated a group of people that were previously disadvantaged. People who where never given the chance to take part in business/economic structures and other stuff because of skin colour? I believe we can both agree that the oppressed had a small chance of being in the same economic positioning as their oppressor's. Blacks started at a disadvantage of not having the education from what was considered best schools, little experience in the business field not because they were inadequate but simply because they were born in a different skin and would not be allowed to compete fairly with their white counterparts. This is part of our history, known fact. If you're a fair and just individual how would you help this group of people to attain what was previously unfairly kept from them.

[@fannycasteel7118]

The ANC does not want anyyone to be happy or successful. We all must be down in the gutters 😂😂

[@MrMahemrs]

That is communism. Al must be equally poor and misrable.

[@jameskillu9171]

so true, black people love pulling down people, buildings, but never builds anything

[@smr4712]

fk the dead walking ANC presidency with the afrikaner broederbond, we will persure them till the end of time for their crimes..

[@darlingtonmachilar6745]

Why Should Orania Exist In A Non-Racial SA?

[@grantbradshaw7907]

All they do is break steal and destroy They can't manage anything because of not understanding western technology or standards

[@williamwallace9155]

As a white legal practitioner can I join the Black Lawyers Forum?

[@anelekutwana7408]

Yes

[@lightningRatPack]

@@anelekutwana7408 HAHa No you cant.. What the Zulu kingdom. ooo white people are not allowed to join the zulu kingdom. What about the ingonyama trust... ooo no white people allow there to. Should I continue

[@marky5493]

​@@anelekutwana7408so what's the point of calling it black then???

[@Hannodb1961]

What are taking the white legal practitioners so long to challenge the existence of the Black Lawyers Forum in court?

[@brianmazorodze4860]

@@marky5493 that's a different question.

[@bngmnh3583]

...leave Orania alone, you destroy everything, now you want to destroy Orania

[@ntombesizwelebelo9184]

You have stolen so much from African people.Every where you go you destroy. You destroyed our identity, our culture and spirituality. You cannot see that because you caucasians have no divine consciousness. Barbarians are you pink parasites.

[@shawtytheplug9979]

I'm going to vote EFF just because of you. Viva MALEMA

[@smr4712]

you are a JEW pretending to be black, we gonna melt you jews soon... you KFRs and jews must hit the road while you still can @@ntombesizwelebelo9184

[@elbiedorman1266]

@@shawtytheplug9979you remind me of a ten-year old who destroys his sister’s toys for the spite of being cruel. Why do you choose to destroy rather than build up your own town?!

[@lwazikhanye3344]

in interviewer is biased and trying to push a narrative but never seeking to understand interviewee. he asks questions from a position of anger.

[@thedevine7963]

He has balls, which is something most black South African males don't possess especially when faced with a strong Afrikaaner male. All we ever see you do is worship these people. He's refreshing.

[@NompiloMoyo-zj3nb]

True that and he seems to be taken on why should people have a problem with orania we should be inspired as blacks

[@peterkoning21]

The interviewer is trying SO hard to get this gentleman to condone apartheid ! Also to try and trap him into a race baiting situation. Shame on you Sir !!

[@wentzelwilliams5568]

I beg to differ, simply because it's common sense that this little town was built to commemorate and still pay tribute to the old regime. The guest is simply trying to sublimate their admiration for apartheid.

[@elbiedorman1266]

Nice to speculate what people think while keeping order in the cleanest town in whole South Africa. You’ll never know the truth until you admit it to yourself.

[@daviddestefanis2989]

@@wentzelwilliams5568 Apartheid involved the exploitation of black labor by white owners. White farms used black labor, etc. etc. You can't oppress black people if there aren't any black people around. Basically Orania is like an Amish community. Just let them do their thing and leave them alone. Who are they hurting?

[@noneofyourbusiness768]

If the aim is a non-racial society, then BEE and AA must be removed as well, Black ownership laws should be removed, tenders should not only be for Black people. This is all hypocritical, the entire SA system is based on black empowerment, non-racial? I don't think so ANC. EFF non racial? Definitely not.

[@ronm4385]

Non racial does not mean a total disregard of our past. Kindly suggest ways we can achieve redress if you may please. Thank you

[@yvettedurbangirlsa]

Yes 🙌

[@Steve-by4uf]

@@ronm4385 you can achieve redress simply through economic growth. If the country grows richer, more and more people will be lifted out of poverty.

[@IonizedComa]

​@@ronm4385The best form of equality is equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. If a previous group is disadvantage, money should go to advancing their education, facilities etc to uplift them to the same level. Handing out jobs, tenders simply on the basis of skin colour does not benefit anybody. South africa is focused on equality of outcome, and that's exactly why most black South Africans still live in abject poverty and there are no new jobs being created

[@obaraksennahoj7191]

Yeah, that makes sense. Apartheid is over, so I guess everyone is equal. We'll just ignore the years oppression that's led to a minority race gaining the majority of land and wealth, meaning their lives will most likely lead to a better outcome while the rest struggle.

[@garagepie]

I want to see the first black Orania, build a new town with great schools, jobs for all, safety, and healthcare. It would be a great challenge to a group of black people to prove that it can be done! Come on guys! There are billionaires within black society, so money is not an excuse! People build R20mil mansions in Venda in the middle of nowhere instead of building a new town with amenities and businesses!

[@PrincessVelaryon]

Your forgetting that as Black South Africans we are our own nations within a nation so building a black "Orania" would be tribalism which is something we as Africans have worked hard to irradicate.

[@janmoolman]

@@PrincessVelaryon Maybe that is the problem you must get back to your tribe,otherwise you are not going to survive in the future

[@PrincessVelaryon]

@janmoolman You must be young otherwise you would know what tribalism does to a nation. Do you not remember the early 90s and how many people were affected by tribalism in SA. The Rwanda genocide? Nah white people can do their own thing like they have always done and us as black people will continue to unite and fight against racism and tribalism.

[@janmoolman]

@@PrincessVelaryon sister if you dont have a tribe you dont belong, and that is why I have a tribe.The genocide in Rwanda was between rich and poor(tootsies and tootsies)I was at that genocide museum in capital and I know wat it was about.If you call 60 young than I obliged.

[@PrincessVelaryon]

@@janmoolman You can belong to a tribe and not be tribalistic. I belong to a tribe and practice my culture and tribal religion. But I don't believe in tribalism. Black people are stronger together

[@lieslhenning2275]

The comments have been overwhelmingly positive to this interview, I think that's it's an indication that South Africans have come to realize that the concept of a rainbow nation is not really the way to go. Tribes across South America were not forced into one big melting pot and exist today in small groups retaining their individual cultures, beliefs, and ways of life. This does not however make them racists. People should be allowed to choose with who they associate and how to live their lives. It does not mean that they cannot help other groups of people achieve the same as in the case of orania who are very much involved in other Community developments around them. ❤

[@lifeisforaseason]

Shut your racist mouth up. Most of the people who feel positive towards this interview are racist white people like you. Always dividing everywhere racists like you go. Shut up you racist

[@lm_b5080]

i just wish to make it clear that contrary to what he said, my Afrikaner perspective, just like the majority of Afrikaners, is that there shouldn't be a place where statues of Hendrik Verwoerd are being protected

[@briopalumpus8676]

how come black people outside of africa are not allowed to do this, can aboriginees in australia be allowed to live independently of the australian state for example??

[@lm_b5080]

@@briopalumpus8676 actualyy they have this in australia - its called an Indigenous Protected Area

[@fezilemkohli6844]

Liesl your sense of reasoning is so bad ma’am. Apartheid was not simply a seperation of people, there has been pillaging and dispossession. You think white people just became wealthy because they are so ‘brilliant’?

[@patrickmaduna7714]

Can people with nothing better to do just leave people of Orania alone. What is it thats stopping one from buying land and have people of the same culture and vision in that land. It's already happening anyway, the rich leave amongst themselves. One who is poor is not allowed in, they erect boom gates to stop people from entering or just passing through.

[@brianmazorodze4860]

this is a very sad and unfortunate comment that attempts to draw false equivalence.

[@mxolisimaome9651]

Shouldn't they go and govern themselves in Holland

[@sydneymak501]

They shouldn’t buy land Because we going to take it and not compensate anyway 🤷‍♂️

[@africanadage852]

Legacy slave money is the reason why. Africans don't have that.

[@morsistapleton6675]

black Town were put to 🔥 in America

[@maggiedavis3817]

Why scratch something that is not itching leave those folks they not worrying nobody worry about what's going on around u

[@Melissa-mmr64]

Or not going on around u😂

[@maggiedavis3817]

@@Melissa-mmr64 yes worry around u see the mess we got those people not worrying they have peace

[@burundishallsmile1day109]

😊👍🏽

[@HordIncStudios]

Orania doesn't affect me, and their views of me got nothing to do with me either, so let them be

[@lungamasuku6872]

No way we can let that Apartheid town exist!!,Orania is gone by the end of 2024

[@frikkieramabolo172]

​@@lungamasuku6872it's the only piece of SA which is cANCer free. The moment they let blacks in that's when the ANC corrupt leaders start stealing and Orania starts falling apart like the rest of SA

[@theresaburdett1054]

​@@lungamasuku6872what is stopping you as a SA citizen building a town that is successful, clean, has very little crime? Too lazy?

[@IonizedComa]

​@@theresaburdett1054lack of accountability just like the anc government. Everytime you hold them accountable for their actions they cry apartheid or racism

[@theresaburdett1054]

@@IonizedComa Whose accountability? Everything the ANC touches turns to sh$te. Orania was built by the people who live there. They have made a success of it and now everyone has something to say about it. I say to these people "what have you built?". Zero, nada, nothing.

[@greggsworld4453]

The funny thing is that if the Indians built an indian only town no one would complain, we would all be happy for them! If Zulus built a Zulu only town - other cultures would be happy and we would celebrate it and come visit. And mostly, we would understand! But a couple Afrikaaners do it and everyone is complaining 😆

[@Kate-it7cn]

It’s only whites that aren’t “ allowed”.

[@ukokaluuko4649]

Indians or Zulus didn’t perpetuate apartheid. In any case, they shouldn’t be allowed. No one should be allowed to create a segregated town.

[@sfisomzobe6692]

If we all built our own "only" towns we'd be in apartheid

[@JOEYZ-nq2gn]

Non-Racial South Africa....ok then why are there Quotas, BEE and so on 🤔

[@ChristopherHitchens3.14]

Exactly!

[@QuantumL]

@joeyz-nq2gn It's an international fact we live in an unjust state. How would you help the previously disadvantaged groups of peoplein South Africa?

[@JOEYZ-nq2gn]

@@QuantumL how long do you want to help "previously disadvantaged" groups for also who falls under previously disadvantaged if I may ask ?

[@nicoleendeklerk7786]

Even the Afrikaner was disadvantaged after the 1933 depression and 2nd world war. We went forward from there on our own. No sulking and selfpity, just hard work!

[@IonizedComa]

​@QuantumL to me it seems that only a selected few of the "disadvantaged" groups got greedy and fat over corruption leaving the rest of the group In abject poverty and the rest of South Africans worst off. The only way to stop discrimination on the basis of race, is to stop discriminating on the basis of race. You'd think it would be common logic by now

[@hennietaljaard9096]

South Africa has one of the most progressive Constitution's in the world and gives freedom of association and Section 235 allows the right of self-determination of any community sharing a common cultural and language heritage.

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

How many Jews or Muslims live in a Christian monastery ? If the Zulu's or Xhosa's or whoever want a cultural village , they have a right to do so . If a group of vegans want to live communally on a vegan farm , they have the right to do so.

[@sicelosimelane3844]

Look at the bigger picture. If Zulus can start to think of separating themselves from others in south Africa many tribes will be invaded and conquered and by that this land will be wet of blood. This thing of separation is nonsense and is made out of greediness and people claiming to love south Africa of which they not and if it was according to them they wish for the day that they will wake up all the people of color vanished from the

[@johnwaragah8010]

It's just a Boer village

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

@@simbarasherioga2609It's private land. They're not excluded on the basis of race. 99% of the world's white population is excluded. Get over it.

[@AkeshMaharaj-on8gz]

I honestly think this is the last thing we should worry about ...cause we have bigger issue's to deal with first .like getting the eskom problem sorted out and other things like corruption before this country runs to the ground

[@ivileharmans5644]

Nope this type of place must be demolished, land thieves should return to their original land and that somewhere in Europe. They use to address themselves as Europeans remember?

[@MaRoberts-fe8on]

It will more difficult to sort out those "bigger issues " when we're not united, perhaps that's one of the reasons we have those issues. For as long as different races are pulling in different directions, and some still stuck in the past instead of learning from it, we are likely to experience even more bigger problems

[@janco333]

​@@MaRoberts-fe8onwe cannot pull in the same direction if some races are denied jobs due to their skin colour...and when ANC cadres are running the place into the ground

[@ivileharmans5644]

@@janco333 I say all Dutch and Europeans go back to Europe, then we can be able to deal with ANC properly. We need a family meeting and the thieves (who don't want to admit they thieves) must go home. I'm sure your people miss you there in Europe.

[@jolie1865]

​@@ivileharmans5644talking about land thieves😂

[@amandavdwalt]

After all this time, people still choose to be APART from others. And they're really happy. You go Orania-ers, I'm proud of you.

[@jacquesfleuriot8833]

He is jealous because Oranje is prospering.WELL DONE ORANJIA!!!!

[@fredbantu3694]

They can go n prosper in Europe.

[@MrRyuken555]

​@@fredbantu3694and you can starve here

[@smr4712]

we will propsper here with our foot on your head @@fredbantu3694

[@MsDrusilla666]

@@fredbantu3694 europe is falling because of invasion

[@lloydoconnor2862]

Not a lot of descussion on how well run and governed it is

[@barend4803]

He is not interested in that bu only in it destruction by calling it happarthate.

[@allanbudge1171]

I’m amazed that the culture of the majority of South Africans is one of feeling threatened by a meager 2500 people who get off their rear ends and do things for themselves and are successful at what they do . This poses the question of why , if they are so worried about what the Afrikaner is achieving for themselves, do they not remover their index finger out of their rear end and do something similar for their own communities . I suspect it has to do with the culture of entitlement and it is easier to “hijack “ what somebody else has built. What is more obvious is the lack of ability to achieve anything for themselves.

[@honordiamond2548]

Jealousy..... that's it

[@mitchvsally9646]

Says the privileged.....😅

[@honordiamond2548]

@@mitchvsally9646 what Priviledged..... what are you going on about? That sounds like self-pitying. Get out of that mode. You can be anything you want to be

[@honordiamond2548]

I totally agree with you @allanbudge1171

[@rastadiocotlhe5291]

Is it so hard to do the discrimination thing in Europe

[@jacquesdewet2661]

Vicks vapour rub is having a special on for all those with chest pains.

[@reniermedia]

Daar wen jy die internet!

[@smr4712]

true and they can get skin whiteners to make them look superior like us whites aswell, but we advise them to take the jews with them to the congo, they not welcome here in BOER SA

[@gawiestols6857]

Very simple answer : Orania is building up with their own people faster than light and the Government/ÀÑÇ BREAK DOWN WITH CORRUPTION AND RACIST LAWS and activities with the same speed.

[@Codydoggy]

Is this interview about apartheid or Oranje🙄

[@BogusBolloks-mf4wq]

Siple - freedom of association which is a right in the constitution. No excuse/explenation needed/required.

[@johnellis414]

ANC promotes racism as much as anybody....what is BEE?

[@barend4803]

BEE is racism. Exploitation of minority groups.

[@ericnqobilengwenya9460]

If south Africa allowed lesotho to become an independent state inside it why not orania

[@tinasutton4245]

Or a nie people don't harm anybody, they are building. Also there is plenty other open spaces, where others can do the same, why point fingers to Irania. They harm nobody!!

[@cosmicwakes6443]

Lesotho was not made a part of South Africa to diminish the black vote in order to further empower white dominance in post-apartheid South Africa. Don't make stupid statements.

[@hansielategan969]

Irrelevant answer. Lesotho has never ever been part of South Africa.

[@tripodxxx1]

In Lesotho u find every race and tribes ..whereas in orania they don't accept any other races...whats wrong with you black people trying to accept and sanitise bullshit in your own country

[@shawtytheplug9979]

We really need EFF for people like you.

[@dothadance1]

Well done Orania. Im black but you should be proud of yourselves.

[@clivesmith9377]

IDIOT

[@Hobbyist_ZA]

Get back to us once you're black and informed...maybe then, we can have a meaningful discussion...

[@dothadance1]

Im very black chief. We have our own Oranias called townships.

[@chrisbennett6260]

@@dothadance1 yeah sure you are lol

[@boekerafrikania]

@@chrisbennett6260is the township not your orania then? u weak type who rejoice in self complencency and self pitty.

[@Romamsone32]

Orania Will Only continue to Do Amazing Things. They will grow and continue to be prosperous. SA is Doomed. It’s hopeless.

[@smr4712]

thanks to the JEWS and their KFRs

[@honordiamond2548]

True and I applaud them.

[@jsvanderheever691]

Sizwe , SA own Don lemon. Trying his best to sow division.

[@Stamenu88]

Please explain how? And do you prefer another interviewer?

[@smr4712]

wat se jy KFR?@@Stamenu88

[@Hannodb1961]

@@Stamenu88 Is it not obvious? The presentation started with gross and outright lies about Orania. Sizwe then spend 40 minutes not talking about the topic, which is Orania, but discussing Apartheid, and doing his level best to cast a bad light on a town that doesn't bother anyone. Its journalists like Sizwe that is causing the collapse of main stream media. People see through the lies and they don't buy it anymore.

[@Stamenu88]

But isn't the root or basis of building Orania bases on the principles practice by Apartheid? For e.g who was the founder of it? If there are divisions to be sowed is when you isolate yourself to live in the desert. I think.

[@Hannodb1961]

@@Stamenu88 Division is sown whenever you force people to do what they don't want to do. There is nothing wrong with people choosing to seperate and live apart from one another. It becomes wrong when that seperation is forced by the government. Likewise if the government force people to integrate and assimilate to cultures and values other than their own, it is equally wrong. Give people the room to be who they are, and you will achieve unity.

[@neo_mosidi]

Leave these people alone. They are flourishing and taking nothing away from other communities but are working hard to build their own.

[@nativeexecutive1150]

On who's land?

[@shawtytheplug9979]

PLEASE ASKER HER LOUDER?@@nativeexecutive1150

[@frikkieramabolo172]

​@@nativeexecutive1150land they bought and negotiated from your beloved government

[@smr4712]

boer land you KFR @@nativeexecutive1150

[@abhendr1x]

@@nativeexecutive1150exactly, the clearly want validation

[@patrickxabaqongqo6173]

I love Afrikaners! ❤❤❤❤

[@motionenergy808]

Ba na ipoison bazo fakela abantu aba myama emanzini wena sphukuphuku

[@mphomangole3768]

I also love Africans but I don't want see black orange in Africa

[@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087]

❣

[@pred7949]

@@motionenergy808 you mean like how black municipal workers spread cholera throughout mamelodi and hammanskraal? lol yea the receipts coming from blacks in this country is telling a different story my brother

[@christienodendaal3001]

They won't, motionenergy. Those in Orania respect human life. Allow them to build one successful community in South Africa. Our country is direly in need of successful communities.

[@mrrhsmit]

A missed question: If Orania must not or should not exist - should we not allow other indigenous communities or groups to exist with their own rules and cultural space within the broader context of South Africa? These small-town developments should be encouraged! Imagine a khoisan, bantu, xhosa, zulu dedicated town. Each group will have a sense of individual belonging not to mention the tourism benefits of encouraging all of this.

[@anelekutwana7408]

Where would those groups steal the land?

[@mrrhsmit]

@anelekutwana7408 they would buy it themselves? Just like the residents of Orania have been doing for decades. The first farm in Orania was purchased in 1882.

[@evanswaby6785]

Orania can't exist its a racist society full of forien whites. They can go back to Netherland

[@keabetswetjale7959]

No!

[@sicelosimelane3844]

​@@mrrhsmit1882 joke

[@AIRview2]

Amazing how they hate any succes stories in the new SA. Why,?

[@monama11]

hmmm, this Boshoff guy is calm, sober, and worth listening to even if one disagrees with him.

[@lethu_z]

true... very well-spoken too. Makes interesting points.

[@denvilledavids1157]

Stop hanging on to the past and learn from orania to build a better south African first stop and fight the corruption in government and leave apartheid build better future

[@chrisbennett6260]

sure mate

[@judyjansevanvuuren4859]

Orania is a cultural community. No white person without the language or culture can live there. Not even a white as snow foreigner. And not all afrikaners want to live there.

[@jameskillu9171]

i am black on outside, but white inside. will i be allowed to live in orania once i learn their language and culture,

[@OGQMdawini]

Rubbish where in Europe are Afrcans given such white privilege?

[@ds-kj8fq]

@@jameskillu9171 are you saying that you are an uncle tom

[@judyjansevanvuuren4859]

@jameskillu. Why would you want to adopt their culture and language? Don't you have your own. Those people are a tribe. Where are your tribe?

[@jabulanincube3533]

Thy must go bck to Dutch Holland to do their culture there not here in Africa

[@marxmixer]

Why does an EFF party exist in a democratic South Africa. Why does BEE exist in a democratic South Africa. Why does Zuma exist in a democratic South Africa.

[@aaronbaloyi5626]

You are so stupid

[@tpmash]

Why does AfriForum exist! Why does Steve Hofmeyr exist?… I can name MANY racists…

[@ofaineofaine3850]

U ARE A SON OF THIEVES MURDERERS RAPERS N LIARS , IS IN UR DNA WHAT ARE U DOING PEACEFULLY IN SOUTH AFRICA ALWAYS PROBLEMS IMPOSSIBLE TO LIVE SIDE BY SIDE WITH OTHER PEOPLE

[@briopalumpus8676]

@@tpmash dont debate that low IQ guy he is a tine waster.

[@elbiedorman1266]

@@briopalumpus8676only in South Africa where IQ of 110 are allowed in universities. Where did you get your education from? Of course from your colonial masters (teachers). Don’t underestimate your enemies. They know and sympathise you so well.

[@Bluecollarjoe6B9]

We all need to do this. Well done Orania.

[@meto138]

Absolutely well done to Orania, if I were a Councilor I would go ther and learn, transform the townships

[@thembi9645]

​@@meto138transform township with what while people dont own anything unlike them they are using Apartheid money till this day. We are trying to transform our families coz we are the first generation to even educated , we look after grandmothers, mothers, siblings ......aunt's and uncles ........

[@lawrencelaw8311]

So you support the narrative that black people in their own country should not be allowed in certain parts?

[@mikeandkin]

@@thembi9645 on point. Very true. They never paid reparations and they never gave the land back. It's hurtful that I as a black person can't self determine in Europe but they can do that here without fear. A white person can do wrong and still be right but a black person does not have the luxury to do that or rather privilege

[@idontwantahandle10]

Get a job@@thembi9645

[@Michigan1574]

All of South Africa's problems start with the so called Best Constitution in the world, that has resulted in the most unequal country in the world. Key to the drafting of that Constitution is Cyril Ramaphosa so you can figure the rest out

[@gidmosia7065]

I completely agree with you the ramaphosa curse brought this inequality We will never accept orania these are euros occupying our country and this will lead to more settlers occupying more land expanding in the northern cape This çalls for war and the same problems that popped up in ukraine s nazis are no different to these orania racists

[@gidmosia7065]

Then we must have a blacks only Azania in the South of Africa

[@pierrerizzo9540]

South Africa is not a country. It's a geographical area. Certainly within SA you should be able to create a black only area. Imagine south Russia or north France Think about it.

[@joshuamichau5122]

Carel is highly intelligent and wise. His knowledge on South African history and politics is unsurpassed.

[@truth-Hurts375]

Stop talking Rubbish !!! His Grandfather was Hendrik Verwoerd...what does that tell you??? Why did he put up a statue of Hendrik Verwoerd at the entrance to Orania??? You need a Brain !!!!

[@markcoleman7497]

They legally bought the land, so it their choice who lives on the land they bought.Even me as a white English person, I can't live there because I don't share their culture. It is their right as the land owners

[@mashobane6177]

There is no land that exists without a country anywhere in the world.

[@janmoolman]

​@@mashobane6177ha ha ha ha

[@user-sb7ji6zl7p]

They didn't bought the land the took it forcefully, threatening Mandela the way they did ,u now how much they supposed to be paid,is too much ,is priceless,we need to bring it back ,is priceless 🖤

[@fredbantu3694]

bought stolen land no settler arrived with land.

[@MrRyuken555]

​@@fredbantu3694you just upset that the 3000 people are running a better place with little resources, yet the anc government with handouts and bailoutd from overseas could not build anything and let everything fall apart.

[@heleenferreira692]

Orania big example for the rest of us

[@cliffordchester5887]

What about BEE big failier but it still exists and one of the main reasons people are fleeing

[@sthembisomthembu8207]

I wish people can listen to what is said not to the speaker!! Man has a point 👉! The Government should help Orania ideas to expand our horizons. What if, just if we use the same ideas to rebuild the country.

[@meto138]

Exactly

[@meto138]

Someone name 1 black school with sports facilities, labs etc , just 1 from any province, there's none

[@dorothywarner8141]

Point that finger, right back at yourselves. Come to gether as a community, work together. Those with talents, use it to build what you want. There are many non whites with lots of money, that can help with this cause

[@faridaally6184]

We had all of that but Thabo Mbeki closed it all

[@maggiedavis3817]

Yes u so right our government don't care about what's happening

[@dirkvanrooyen3051]

Let's look at facts. After 1994 all the black homelands still exist, with their kings where whites cannot buy land. These are vast areas. In other words the black tribes are aloud to have their homelands and whites not! Orania is not even a homeland but a town. In South-Africa Afrikaners are being discriminated against when ot comes to work. BEE is being enforced. Also no state entity wants to speak Afrikaans and Afrikaans schools are being forced to accommodate English learners. So this video is about jealousy-hate against Afrikaners. Since when are people of the same race and culture not allowed to flock together? Jealousy is an ugly thing!

[@mutepakabende3256]

Watch Malcolm X interviews about this topic to get your answer

[@emmanuelmmethi8550]

This is me as a black individual trying to understand the existence of orania I full accept and understand the success and existence of orania but I truly don't understand why is it prominent figures of apartheid in orania being celebrated

[@user-jk7ci3vt2q]

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. No mention of colour, this country suffers from racism from the President down, [Cadre employment: a process through which political parties in a democracy give effect to their policies and objectives by preferring functionaries who subscribe to the same values] A sick country has been developed by the politicians. For example the Social Grant R1700.00 = R20 400 per year, [Cyril Ramaphosa R4 239 560.00 - Social Grant R20 400 = Cyril Ramaphosa R4 219,160,00] Ramaphosa could out of his own salary BUT! he does not care about the people, all he wants is their vote. Disgraceful.

[@itumelengpheeha9513]

20400 x 10 million? That goes into the billions redo your math. The definition you give is textbook not contextual. Hence this country is such a mess. Black and white people fail to take responsibility for their actions or lack of actions

[@Melissa-mmr64]

100%

[@sharoncloete4060]

I married Afrikaans and as a British descendant I am not allowed to live in Orania. I would love too. They work hard there so the success is theirs.

[@Dotata2009]

This is very strange for me to understand. Are you not all of a European human race, whether Afrikaner, British, Dutch or American. Is it only Afrikaner couples who are allowed in Orania?

[@antiyttrad]

are nigerians and you the same? @@Dotata2009

[@MrsLekker]

Do you speak Afrikaans?

[@sirsir123]

I'm british and I live there

[@thembi9645]

​@@sirsir123exactly, all whites belong there coz they are one

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

Number 1 reason why the government fears and hates Orania: It proves that you can and will succeed without any help from them at all, while not relying on the labour of any other people group in the country.

[@crastinaterpro]

This is lazy thinking

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

@@crastinaterpro how?

[@crastinaterpro]

@@Waldemarvonanhalt You make alot of assumptions and use it as proof. Nobody fears these fools who have isolated themselves. The Nazi's did not use slave labour, and in fact they were criticized for not putting the jews to work before exterminating them, when they had a massive shortfall in labour, eventually. I think the the Apartheid regime thought to improve on the "error" of the "Thousand Years Reich". You pretend that Orania set out to prove that white men can also work for themselves ... but, how daft would you be to think that. The point was continued segregation and concerns of racial purity. Properly insecure and narrow-minded. Motivated by fear.

[@levikalombo1630]

We can not allow whites to setup an enclave in africa. Where do u see any african enclave in europe? they must go back to europe and live amongst they own kind.

[@user-ly3mk4pr1l]

"......government fears and hates...." GOVERNMENT??? They love it

[@marky5493]

Can't see how orainia is any different to villages in the transkei. It's amazing how just a few people can make some people so many chest pains??

[@zakhelezwide1911]

Its totally different, at transkei everyone regardless of race is welcome to stay there.

[@marky5493]

@@zakhelezwide1911 same as this town it's got nothing to do with race either, but you have to uphold and enbrace their culture. But I am actually wrong, it's totally different from the transkei-you'll be robbed blind every day at every turn. Oriana not so.

[@zakhelezwide1911]

@@marky5493 you can simply make your point without bashing Transkei. If that's the case how many people of colour stay in Orania? In transkei I can tell you their white people staying there.

[@siszama2294]

​@@marky5493to uphold an afrikaaner culture one would have to be an afrikaaner. How is this not discrimination on the basis of race? As for robbery afrikaaners are the worst people when it comes to cruelty and evil doing.

[@jrr6947]

In the whole big assed region of Transkei there are White people, congratulations, you spotted Waldo. Orania isn't a region, it's a town within a municipality within the Karoo region.@@zakhelezwide1911

[@jacoslabbert8738]

Why don't the useless SABC focus on service delivery. compare the service delivery in Orania ( with no state grants) with any other municipality.

[@gertvandermerwe1061]

Why don't the people use orania as an example to build a better future in South africa

[@devilliersduplessis7904]

Many are, luckily.

[@CatherineX-ph3on]

Where? There is no clean water in your major cities! SA was the fifth richest country in the world 30 years ago. Where is the success?

[@letletlebogatsu3436]

Zulu people celebrate Buthelezi and the IFP.

[@smr4712]

we celebrate his death

[@letletlebogatsu3436]

No, you celebrate his life and contributions towards the Zulu culture and society and that's okay in an actual multicultural society we will have diversity even in our heroes. I think its the same for the Afrikaneers.@@smr4712

[@Podlitiek]

Die grootste probleem wat mense met Orania het is dat dit werk sonder help van die regering.

[@user-ze9to3ef1f]

Jip. cANCer

[@lungamasuku6872]

No!!,thats not true,the problem we have with Orania is that it’s a racist whites only town that upholds architect’s of Apartheid as heroes!!,its the RACISM That we hate!!

[@Dotata2009]

I don't think so. Orania is doing great without government. But for me as a proud black African human race. I think the problem is allowing Afrikaners only. I personally do not want to be associated with a human race that do not want to mix with me, because I am a black African race. So Orania for me is not an ideal place to look up to.

[@janmoolman]

@@Dotata2009 then dont associated with them

[@user-ze9to3ef1f]

@@Dotata2009 get over it you got a whole huge land named lesotho and mojority in botswana is african people. Everybody can choose where and how they want to live dont be like nato and steal peoples rights like in east ukraine where fellow countrymen have to kill their own

[@williamwallace9155]

Who qualifies for BEE in South Africa? Black Economic Empowerment - Wikipedia The BBBEE Act defines black persons as "Africans, Coloureds and Indians," who, as of an amendment to the act in 2013, are South African citizens by birth or descent or were naturalised as South African citizens prior to 27 April 1994 (or would have been eligible for naturalisation prior to that date).

[@patrickxabaqongqo6173]

I am a black person and I fully support what Orania is doing...as Blacks we lack discipline plus we do not respect ourselves. Look at the number of children that foreigners give birth to as soon as they come to South Africa. We as South Africans are afraid to produce children due to understanding the state of our economy but foreigners do not care, just because they want citizenship. On that note, when last did you see a pregnant white-woman???. Additionally, how does a group of Blacks only (without a white person's involvement) behave...chaotic right??? Hence, I am saying: as blacks we do not respect ourselves...

[@tinasutton4245]

You are a very wise person, and speak the truth, you don't cover up. Too many foreigners are allowed into this country. This country needs to survive with the people that are here.

[@tinasutton4245]

You are a wise person. It's is very true, too many foreigners are allowed to come into this country, we hare no body, and there is no crime there, it's peaceful. Everybody can do what they have done, then there will be peace.

[@siyabongamviko8872]

you must say YOU lack discipline and don't respect YOURSELF. If you are a part of the ANC then it is more fitting that you must localise this characterising statement to YOURSELF.

[@tinasutton4245]

Surely, there is mire important thungs to rather concentrate on, like the crime that is oing on.

[@machekesimphiwe]

You and your family lack discipline, uncle ruckus

[@errolmarlick5461]

Why not. Its self-determination

[@alexandernyamazana4795]

In whose land?

[@felixmoyoedonmi]

​@@alexandernyamazana4795 What do you mean whose land?

[@Bennylebea]

In God's land

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

@ZULUCTHULHU The land belongs to the holder of the Title Deed. The Law of the Land says so.

[@janmoolman]

​@ZULUCTHULHUit is Almighty Gods Land and we are only the" key holders "for a short while.

[@joann8589]

We are not living in a non-racial SA. In fact we are living in one of the most racist countries in the world where citizens of our country are regulated by racial quotas as to obtaining work or promotion. No other country in the world denies a person the ability to work and feed their family based only on the colour of their skin colour and ethnicity. All countries have enclaves where people in that country can protect their cultural heritage eg Amish in USA etc. in our country we have Zulu villages, Xhosa villages, Ndebele villages etc which protect their cultural heritage. This is no different to Be Tania just another culture and past history. Why are they not being questioned to please explain their rights to do so ! We have to start developing a country that tolerates and accepts that others different to us may live the way they wish to live and not the way others think that they should live. As long as people do not harm others and live peacefully and in a law abiding way they should not be interfered with or treated in this disgraceful manner !

[@Kate-it7cn]

And yet we put them in power in all the cities in the US. Many are going to prison on fraud charges. This isn’t a level playing field when it comes to capability or morals and empathy. The white libs better wake up! They HATE us!

[@Truthseeker371]

I am always mesmerised with the SA's lack of common identity "South African". The citizens all tell me their racial/tribal identity every day. Coming from overseas where racism is unsolved historical and social issue, rather humanistic, to be truthful, it's absurd to stress one's colour of skin, when everyone needs to fight against the common enemy, inegality and perpetual corruption. Unite to combat the corruption of all the level of the society.

[@itumelengpheeha9513]

I agree with you 💯. The problem we have in this country is that we so focused on our differences. Then there is the inferiority and superiority complexes that pervade our every day lives. The guy in the video was asked if he denounces the apartheid regime all he could do was try to evade the question. The policy that I am excluded because of something I am unable to change is absurd.

[@Truthseeker371]

​@@itumelengpheeha9513 Thank you. Dankie.

[@Pelsrobman]

Firstly, I'd like state that I oppose most most of what the walking contradiction Sizwe says on almost any topic. But, I have to congratulate him here for at least hearing and amicabably discussing a topic with someone of a completely different viewpoint. Secondly, I'd like to congratulate Carel. Clear, calm and sobre responses to tough questions. I honestly think Carel has convinced more people about the sustainibility and intent of Orania. Well done, and I personally will be supporting your cause!

[@hennieleroux9409]

To be a racist mean jou like your own race What is wrong with that. Black people love there own race thats why they vote the way they do

[@Kate-it7cn]

Everyone but whites are allowed to. And that’s only due to dependency on whites and envy. Otherwise they’d have zero issues with whites. It’s very obvious.

[@bluetorpido5929]

Here's the thing you occupy the locals lands

[@redeemablesoul]

Why is Sizwe so triggered by Orania

[@AltRockLover]

And so, a majority black country, with a non-Western population steeped in anti-whiteness, which is sliding into third world economic decay just like other post-colonial African countries, finds itself wrestling with that timeless problem, which in this case, is what to do with that pesky and prosperous minority which largely keeps to itself, aka "the Orania Question". Unfortunately, this same dynamic is happening here in the United States, where the majority have been brainwashed into thinking they'd be better off as a minority in their own country. Perhaps what SA blacks need is import the white world, not seek to destroy it.

[@obaraksennahoj7191]

Perhaps the white world needs to keep to itself. Actually no, we know the white world squanders all resources and needs to go out like pirates to pillage and rob. They, like you, are living on stolen land. Go home to your White Utopia and leave us.

[@user-ud3iw2il3g]

WHY?? Race is indeed the central issue. Lights are going out in South Africa because of incompetent black-racists. In contrast, everything works just fine in Oriana because of white competence.

[@Kate-it7cn]

And the stark difference in the competence drives them insane with jealousy. Sadly it’s only a matter of time before the b’s destroy this successful enclave. 😮

[@drikus3328]

Why not speak about the evil of BEE.

[@InspectorYT]

Freedom of association means freedom to associate, as well as freedom not to associate; it's not forced integration. The ANC is perpetuating racial victimisation, rather than removing racial bias. In my view, Hendrik Verwoerd's plan of separate development was certainly implemented badly, because it largely continued the subjugation and, in spite of huge expenditure, failed to support adequately the envisaged parallel separate development, which Carel Boshoff described as vertical division.

[@ds-kj8fq]

blame the anc hovrnment as they are in charge

[@dickniemand495]

How many black doctors,lawyers and other high value proffesionals were trained in 1959 under the "Apartheid regime" ?

[@ReadWithTshepho]

No Apartheid apologist can fool me.

[@LibreSAUK]

​@ReadWithTshepho Yes, especially Apartheid's New Caretakers (ANC) who have enacted hundreds of racially discriminatory laws, reminiscent of the regime they replaced.

[@sizwengqanga4526]

Bullshit

[@lesterpotter2184]

As a white english speaking South African, who happens to be an atheist, I would also be unable to live in Orania, as any non white person would be

[@darrenforseille641]

This situation scares me. i feel that the government is allowing this to happen on purpose, waiting for the town to get bigger and develop more and as soon as this town reaches a considerable size, the south african government will come with the army, and take it over one day. in my opinion, there's a reason why the south african government has allowed this segregation town to exist, they are just biding their time it seems.

[@wernerswardt7512]

That is a scary thought

[@darrenforseille641]

@@wernerswardt7512 very much a possibility. How can a quaint town of 3000 with a few weapons stop the South African army? I really believe they have a plan for that town. From what Ive seen online there’s already debates about that towns future existence!

[@nat-ro3mb]

??? too bad the south african government doesn't care about bigger problems like electricity, drinking water, infrastructure, etc.

[@darrenforseille641]

@@nat-ro3mb yes, I’ve noticed online your country seems to have gone downhill so what will become of South Africa in 20 years?

[@nat-ro3mb]

​@@darrenforseille641 I am American and 20 years is too long to foresee.

[@Jesus248]

Will there be different sections in HEAVEN for different tribes??🤔 May the TRUTH of Christ convict our hearts as South Africans. 👍👍

[@theresaburdett1054]

They are preserving their culture and language. What is happening to afrikaans schools here. Govt wants to do away with afrikaans.

[@tpmash]

Yhooo you’re talking to people who used scripture to justify racism😢! It’s pure demonic

[@marinaoosthuizen9697]

Why do people just leave them alone. They are independent and they don't bother anyone

[@halflifeproductionz]

Orania have every right to exist, in fact south africans need to learn from Oranians

[@Ginger4789]

It is very acceptable freedom of choice the majority of people don’t want to live with the current conditions

[@AndrewMcFarlane_1]

But they keep voting for the current conditions

[@smr4712]

no they dont, the UK and the uSA kept them in power and the vote was a fraud.@@AndrewMcFarlane_1

[@elsadekock7644]

Afrikaans as language together with it's culture has been taken out of schools and universities. Forced people to look at alternative methods to preserve their culture. Not asking or depending on anybody else and should be left to do so. Why celebrate Heritage day if we can not respect the different cultures and languages in South Africa. Why does a small town like Orania bug so many people?

[@lawrencelaw8311]

it is bcoz black ppl are not allowed there and this is their country. if you cant perceive how f*ckd up that is, then you are racist.

[@jolie1865]

Exactly they take everything away from us and now that we do not need them they must go learn from Orania

[@katmatlou]

Afrikaans people have a right to preserve their culture just like everybody. I don't see what the big deal is. These people are not bothering anyone, they should be left alone.

[@lifeOFzeff]

Why shouldn't Orania exist? Doesnt the EFF and ANC exist?

[@smr4712]

yes they do and they live like the KFRs they are in our boer land.. shamefull, wont last long then we remove them.

[@adrianosousamendes2948]

True multiculturalism. A community of communities. Each one living its own life, but helping and interacting with each other. That is what the guy from Orania was trying to explain...

[@jameskillu9171]

Orania chairman has opened by mind. Let orania be, since the zulus, the xhosa, etc have their own enclaves. Zimbabweans in South Africa should form their enclave to preserve their culture.

[@jothammakwelo7960]

The Zimbabwean case is different.Before colonialism, two countries existed side by side Mashonaland and Matabeleland simply.

[@marky5493]

@@jothammakwelo7960 and periodically smashed each others skulls in as well...... There was no peace, so colonialism wasn't the start of any misery as it existed here since the beginning of time. Everyone seems to love this idea that everyone was happy UNTIL some ships pulled up to the coast.

[@ministertothechurch-thezea4552]

Try doing that in Europe, Go with your African community and make it anti-European. Only in Africa can we tolerate this

[@ministertothechurch-thezea4552]

@@jothammakwelo7960 Zimbabwe is African. Establishing a European colony in Africa is unacceptable

[@moralezadrianna4449]

Orania wasn’t theirs in the first place to begin with’ this is all South Africans right ..

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

What effect citizens is not Oriana is no water no electricity crimes is high rapping is high no paces no safety no jobs ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@RachelDerGolem]

I bet the crime rate is low and the electricity works!!!!

[@heinrichbotha9523]

Sensitive, but very tastefully done. Well done to the host and guest for having a respectful interview.

[@jacquesfleuriot8833]

This young man should live and let live.He seems to be hooked on apartheid.

[@shawtytheplug9979]

You are definitely racist. People like you make me sick. I would move on from the apartheid stuff but when a white person down plays what our people went through shows me that the war is not over

[@shawtytheplug9979]

the fact that you felt comfortable typing this and posting it is different types of wrong

[@olafnilsen1641]

​@@shawtytheplug9979why

[@dragoslavdelavega558]

love to visit Orania in the future... greetings from Brasil

[@tebohotsoari9912]

My thing is if an octopus has money to build a place where it wants to live. It doesn't mean you should go there. I imagine you not gonna like it.

[@weymouthesterhuizen1145]

Wow. Well said.

[@CatherineX-ph3on]

Are you comparing white people or Boer people to animals? Isn’t that… racist?

[@user-on7hb3td4k]

😮we have china towns ,zim towns,nigiran towns Malawian towns, somalia towns and every one else in Sa so what's the problem.they have birth rite

[@willemvanaswegen1937]

Just look the mess South Africa is in right now, and you pop up asking these questions. Clearly South Africa is not on the right track.

[@CorrinSpurr]

Always wants what others have but never wants to do what it takes to get it. If they are told they have to earn it like others and not given handouts then its always racist...

[@yangahellem1767]

I wish the colonialists and the apartheid architects had led by example. Work hard and not steal from the people of the land. This would have eradicated a lot of issues we facing today

[@Tom-de5jf]

I personally don't have a problem with Orania existing. Freedom is Freedom, you don't have to like the way someone expresses they're Freedom.

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

This young men why you do not talk abut what effects citizens rapping killing no jobs no pace no safety ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@halinaleonowicz8038]

Illogical title. SA have various races. They have different life styles, culture, habits etc. Forced equalization of everything under idea thst it mean all should be the same is pathetic, outdated political concept of organizing societies. Crooked thinking at its best.

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

We don't want to integrate as well but your culture permeates all of society thanks to the institutional racism that pervades the system still. A man was thrown out of a mall in South Africa for being too African for Petes sake!

[@helpIthinkmylegsaregone]

lol I feel like the Black South African word for democracy is "gib". "30 years after democracy, why still no gib? Why you have nice thing and no gib? Undemocratic!"

[@Hobbyist_ZA]

Thank you Dr Mpofu, you brought heat and you were straight and robust...

[@ukokaluuko4649]

I’m hearing about Orania for the first time. Seems to me very odd that a country with the history that SA has would tolerate such segregation even in the smallest scale. I would consider it a matter of principle.

[@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087]

❤✳️ Q&A⁉️ Does the SA Constitution allow for self-determination? Article 235, although not conclusive, makes provision (allows for) self-determination, and as such no prohibition is placed thereon. More importantly however, Articles 231 and 233 binds the government to international law including those rights relating to self-determination. It is especially significant since these international agreements have been ratified by the ANC government. Go and read and understand the law that binds our govt to every citizen in this country....regardles of race and colour. Cultures should be respected

[@user-zz1bp4hg8m]

there are more than 100 acts differentiating based on race ......

[@guidocosulich5925]

The host was very respectful and educated, well done. Orania is a must in this south africa. May the Lord protect Orania!

[@SearchFT]

Will there be such a fuss too if Zulus or any other race of people want to live with their own people and culture?

[@NompiloMoyo-zj3nb]

Don't they already, only they won't fund themselves