Unforgivable Greed & Lies...

[@Jonathan_Collins]

The comment section on Watcher's announcement was majestic. It turns out you either die an independent youtube channel or live long enough to see yourself become Buzzfeed again.

[@NerissaRavencroftJailbird]

This could have been avoided had they decided not be greedy. It might have been slightly understandable if they are a smaller channel they need funds. But a big channel like them? What did they expect? To be like "It is ok we understand!" ? Doesn't work that way pal.

[@0belisktheT]

Nice stolen comment

[@NerissaRavencroftJailbird]

@@0belisktheT Nice. Did anybody ask? I don't think so. This guy is in many Vtuber clips and news channels comment sections. So nice accusations buddy boy.

[@theanonymousme6015]

​@@0belisktheT cool, what do you want? A trophy? 💀

[@0belisktheT]

@@theanonymousme6015 nothing what do you want?

[@westopher3338]

This gave off "CEO wants to give themselves a raise" energy to me

[@patricksocha6930]

Well, seeing as their CEO recently brought his buddies over to remake a show where they travel around to eat expensive food to see if it's worth it, you're not too far off.

[@levisallade1976]

"Sorry for how we framed it" is just "sorry for how you interpreted it" with a false veneer of humility.

[@doitallyt7431]

6 dollars to watch 30 minutes youtube videos or 7 dollars to get unlimited crunchy roll premium… the answer seems clear to me!

[@bradboulet1425]

So glad you agree with not forgiving them. Yes, they're apology seemed pretty good and genuine; HOWEVER, they have already proven that they will put profit above consideration for their fans. Even if they end up correcting future mistakes, it's clear that they're primary focus ia greed and the only reason they walked back on this was bc it affected their bottom line. They aren't sad that they upset their fans, they're sad that they almost lost a bunch of money

[@merphul]

The only 100% sincere apology is canceling the subscription platform. Tell whatever corporate sales bot to screw off and that the deal is off.

[@gildarmesh3809]

That's the thing about trust. It can quickly be lost but building it back up should take more than a half assed apology. The people immediately trusting someone who just hurt them should reevaluate their personal relationships.

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

Of course their apology “seemed pretty good and genuine” they wouldn’t have put it out otherwise. Keyword: SEEMED. But you’re a fool if you think it actually was.

[@robertkennedy3653]

Nux:"You're going to hate me for this one". Me:"Doubtful".

[@geoxev9423]

The corpo mindset of "infinite business growth." Really fucks up allot of business. You have to plan things logically instead of "my business is growing big, let's tackle a lot of big projects all at once. We can't fail." Then the quality goes down, moral goes down, then the business goes down. Or they sell it to some other big company and ride to the sunset.

[@TJackson736]

This is publicly traded company thinking. Privately traded companies must think differently. Being okay with just making what you make or a slow growth is what these businesses are about. Privately owned companies do not have the investors to grow rapidly and thus do not. People should learn the different kind of businesses and orfanizations and what their general plans are. Publicly teaded companies will want to make a lot more money in the future. If any publicly traded company has a free tier that actually costs them something, that will go away when they think they have grown enough to survive the move from free to paid only. Privately owned companies will likely not grow a lot but also are more stable. It might end when the founder leaves or dies and his children dont want to inherit the company. This is what happened with my family business when my dad refused to work his way up to owning a multi-million dollar nationwide company. My grandfather sold off the business.

[@fromolwyoming]

I used to watch, well, Watcher. Then the announcement came out. That was a kick in the balls. Rooster Teeth, several years ago, had done something similar to what the apology video ended up saying. But as Charlie says, how the hell do they need MORE money?

[@Nick-zm2vm]

Don't forget that these guys also used to preach "eat the rich". Just another layer of hypocrisy.

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

The reasons why people say "Eat the Rich" is either envy or they're going after their rivals for power. They try to pretend that they care about the poor, but once they become wealthy or powerful themselves they basically do nothing of substance for the poor.

[@FukaiKokoro]

Sorry one more comment, they fully intended to take down their entire library. They then gaslit everyone going "nahh we never said that" they literally said it in the video. Plus the pateron goes up to 100$!!

[@GazpachoMacho]

Your silent viewers shout out really spoke to me. You care even for the nobodies like me. Subbed. XD

[@HeroeUrbano]

This just gave me a flashback in Rocko’s Modern Life (S2 Ep.12). "Everything is $5!!" And yeah… literally everything 😖

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

That was a hoot!!

[@BigAlexgator]

It’s exactly how Matt Reiff threw away his entire fandom to be part of the boys club. They threw away their entire fandom because they wanted to be an actual TV show when they are enough already. All I watch is KZbin I don’t watch TV. So I’m definitely hurt, but if they make good stuff, I’ll probably watch it 😂😂😂

[@FukaiKokoro]

What's stupid is they think KZbin is restrictive? Imagine how shocked they'll be when they find out how restricted they'll feel with Tv corporations like fox, cbs, Hulu, Netflix etc. it makes zero sense at all. KZbin compared is the least restrictive. plus they are very sponsor friendly. So I personally think that's just a lie.

[@BigAlexgator]

@@FukaiKokoro right it’s like they were making shit excuses when really they just wanted to feel big time and have someone sponsor them to fly them all over the world it sounded like.

[@conqueenfador5037]

@@FukaiKokoro to be fair, if what they want specifically is money then in terms of sponsorships they might get higher amounts of it then compared to KZbin sponsorships. that's cause sponsors love to know what they are getting into and who sponsors them exactly cause of the extra rules and the more restrictive the show is, the more money they will give to them cause they know what to expect which I know sounds kinda dumb but that's how the sponsorships side works mostly. the more rules you have and the more restrictive your specific demographic (the ones that are willing to give money specifically) is the more money they are okay with giving. but as of now it feels very stupid at least for me cause their fanbase isn't mainly composed of ones that are willing to pay so changing fanbase will hurt them a lot in long term I don't know but as of now it seems they might be losing money before they make it big.

[@user-p4bl04]

46:14 Nux did point that out exactly, but what's baffling, they seem to be doing well in numbers on YT, I think they wanted more. Imagine those same numbers of views but every single one were paid subs...

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

I think they need to hire a CEO with legitimate experience. This has been a disaster and 100% could've been avoided with more oversight and business acumen.

[@DoctorOaks]

They need a CFO (Chief Financial Officer) more than a CEO.

[@Chareddragon]

They don’t need a CEO, they need someone to help with business expenses

[@Shakooky]

careful having business men in there too cause they can make everything a paywall LOL how u think u got gaming industry the way it is LMAO

[@alliekatten]

Its crazy that their apology video reminds me so much of the the try guys apology video. Only try guys at least felt like there was emotion

[@SugarFreeGaming]

Thank you nux for not wanting to make pay wall content, i already pay for premium cuz i cannot stand how the ads work im not paying anyone more

[@shrimpboi7148]

They should of just tried begging more ppl to join their patreon, lmao

[@The_Taco_Thief]

Yeah nux you should start a streaming service starting at 50 dollars a month for adventure time reactions

[@The_Taco_Thief]

@Pinkie-td6bm yep

[@origamipein18]

I'm for it! 😃

[@the_right_opinion]

As long as I still get nuxanor vids of other things, sure, I also agree with ya'll

[@Videogeek95]

3 Guys own a Team of 25 and they start a Streaming Service because 1 isn't living High End enough... ...They could literally move their entire group OUT OF LA to a state like Colorado... Where ALL OF THEM could buy land WITH BIGGER HOUSES than the apartments they live in now... FOR A FRACTION OF THE PRICES they're paying NOW!!! They LITERALLY could have EXTREMELY FANCY lives right NOW if they just moved out of fucking LA!!! THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO!!! (Edit:) So I just did the math... This "Company" makes 3 Million... At Least... A YEAR... Each "Employee" could get 120k a year... That's well off upper middle class in my Area... They could literally own 40 Acres with a Scenic View and A VERY Nice House...

[@1etira01]

I like Watcher. I've been a fan since what feels like forever. But this was just not the way to go about things for them. They release merch, have live shows where you pay to see them live, they have patreon, I'm sure they have yt members and donations, not to speak of ads and sponsorships they get, this is simply not the solution. They need an accountant, or someone to manage their finances. It's not about not having enough money, it's about how they spend that money. Unless they severely undersell themselves when they get sponsorships, their finances should not be this bad. That being said, I don't think this will be the end for them. And I don't want it for them either. I just wish they listened to their fanbase more, and we'll only see if they will as time goes on

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

They claim to have a 25 person production team. TWENTY FIVE PEOPLE PRODUCING + 3 DBAGS APOLOGIZING. If they pay each only 40k/yr salary x 25 that’s 1M

[@Kimch87]

Breaking my silence here as one of the silent shit watchers to say that I love you too, Nux

[@TheBystander-cd7dz]

Thanks for not pay walling your content Nux, i and many others really appreciate it 😊❤

[@miorany]

I love how Miost exposed himself just to show *proof* and we stand him for that

[@SamTheGumMan117]

Pot of Greed got nothing on these guys jeezus man I hope nobody goes for this

[@zeriniyaaston3755]

we all KNOW, gigachad shane will want his shaniacs to pirate their paywalled content LMAO

[@orireth5107]

I want to know how much money they thought this would make. During the announcement they talked about how this would allow them to hire more tallent, but during the apology they said they needed the money or they would need to fire people. Was one of these a lie? Or did they really think that a large portion of their subscribers would move, like seems reasonable 10% they average 1 mil views so that would be 600k, how in the red are they, that that would stop them firing people

[@stephaniemeekins7415]

None of these men have a pinch of financial acumen, how can you have 25 employees but not pay an accountant

[@lizlizbianrosethornsword]

Plus they having stuff majority behind a paywall no wonder people majorly disliked it. It is like they are spitting their subscribers in the Face.

[@FukaiKokoro]

The "apology" felt like it was more so a "we're sorry you felt that way" more than a actual apology. Apparently they are ONLY giving patreons 3 months free. That's what I saw someone saying that was a patron. which if true is fucked.

[@LukasJampen]

So like 99% of youtube apologies 😂

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

Almost all apologies fall under "I'm sorry you feel that way", or "I'm sorry I got caught". If you know what you're doing is greedy or harmful, then apologizing for it means nothing. Because you're already choosing yourself in a situation where you don't need to, and forcing other people to make changes in their lives accordingly. These guys weren't sorry for what they did. They knew they were paywalling content that had been free before, but they still chose to do it mocing forward. The only thing they're sorry about is how harsh the response was. The only times I believe apologies are genuine is when they come from people who have suffered from extreme enough repercussions from their actions that their view point has drastically shifted, or people that are apologizing because their actions had unforseen consequences and they're apologizing for those. Neither of those descriptions fit these guys IMO, so I don't believe for a single second that their apology is come from a place of sincerity.

[@CNeilson90]

A lot of that apology gave me the feeling of that episode of South Park with the oil company

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

Did they explain why they're making their own paid site instead of members only YT vids?

[@Starrky923]

46:40 it is becoming harder for them because they try to get bigger and bigger with production value and costs are incrementally higher( e.g. those 30 people they hire lol)

[@zilveboxman8606]

The egg-boys voices you did at 37:00 fits them perfectly xD

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

They claim to have a 25 person production team. TWENTY FIVE PEOPLE PRODUCING + 3 DBAGS APOLOGIZING. If they pay each only 40k/yr salary x 25 that’s 1M. 60k/yr x 25=1.5M

[@techead23]

Even if the whole money problem with them not being able to pay their employees, and not wanting to cut costs for the videos quality. They still chose to have those 25 employees, and they could easily not have to spend as much to make a good quality video.

[@mejestin]

The lesson: with money comes hunger for more Now imagine the appetite of a big company

[@lupolinar]

The "Apology" sounds to me like they mismanaged their expenses. Why should the viewer pay for their incompetence?

[@yugoxgc]

"Sorry we did a poor job at explaining this idea" Not "This was a bad idea. We decide to not actually do it" So they're still doing it just "Please dont be angry with us 😢"

[@bobbobber4810]

We want your money. Sorry. But still, give us your money.

[@commonsensegaming1756]

150 thousand a month. my god. work for 1 year and i would be set for LIFE

[@NCRRanger7753]

Buzzfeed Fine Bros.

[@kataschannel3472]

Wow. I liked their content, but not that much. I didn't realize how greedy they were. Good to know. $5 isn't nothing. I don't even have $5 in my purse rn. If I did I'd use it for gas or groceries before their content.

[@Boxygirl96]

23:07 bookmark cuz I gotta go to my 2.5k a month minimum wage job and lament the fact I’m not enough of a gamer to make that kind of dough

[@GuineaPigMan2]

If only he covered the Jacksfilms parody of the situation

[@tattoolovety]

Damn Nux, thank you for appreciating my support between bowel movements and lunch 😂

[@seansisco9187]

thanks, as one of those who normally doesn't comment, thank you for your appreciation, and I will continue to watch.

[@lesarrazandran3562]

It was me who wanted to make your character as a webtoom😂😂😂 thanks

[@3vilshad3]

Nux: watching me on the toilet Me: prewatch!!

[@lumaw152]

honestly a based take right from the beginning i also don't think they should be forgiven. their only intention was moeny money money but they try to pretend like they are doing it for their fans. i would understand their need of money if they didn't have millions of views every vids, thousands of paterons, live shows and sponsor.

[@fret3707]

11:20 we're back to original cable let's goooooo

[@grandmasta0079]

I am part of the silent viewer faction, I listen to these like a podcast during my commute.

[@haiwasup3875]

34:00 Netflix does have some good stuff, but they cancel it :(

[@relicapex]

Finally some acknowledgment for the Silent Shitters!

[@JuggaletteNJlex]

Love your videos Nux!

[@SlayingSin]

The way the thumbnail clickbait is set up, i thought he was doing an expose video on Charlie lol

[@Calcorex]

I was literally pooping listening to this. PRE-WATCHED

[@RaraPremium]

11:00 I think if they made their site free but pay 4-6 for no ads. It would've worked out better for them

[@MinMin4theWinWin]

4 episodes of velma season 2 just dropped boss....you know what you must do...

[@noneyerbizzness9007]

I wonder how much they actually pay those employees.

[@soulglitcher]

What confuses me most is the sheer stupidity of it. Why did they think that would be a good idea?

[@toastedprinny]

3 dudes on a couch... That's kinda like sneako with his g/f on a couch and 7 guys behind it, he really is the reverse! YOU'RE RIGHT!

[@Nick-zm2vm]

Their apology is so robotic and clearly PR speak. ChatGPT could have written a more human sounding response.

[@user-p4bl04]

8:46 true they didn't hurt anyone, but themselves...... Most likely they got used to the lavish lifestyle, and wanted more... like a YATCH or something ;) and then they apologised because ppl caught on their obvious greedy schemes... Hoping to win their trust back..

[@anthonyramirez9925]

If they’re that broke then these idiots need a class on financial planning, since it seems like it all their own fault

[@jonathanabad4570]

As a bit of context to the part about the 1+M views, the 3 series that get the most views on Watcher are Mystery Files, Ghost Files, and Puppet History. The videos from 9+ weeks ago were from Top10 beatdown and Too Many Spirits, which are significantly less popular. Also, they have a successful web store, so the streaming service pivot they initially wanted was definitely a money grab. I don't doubt that they will still make great content, but this controversy will sour viewership for the next few months at least

[@kitnerjeeves]

i need to stop watching these while i work bc i just almost sent an email with watcher instead of water to a client 💀💀💀

[@orangepiano4995]

This is a comment from someone who watches in silence thanks nux

[@dellirious13]

Watch it come out that they recorded the apology video the same day they recorded the announcement video😅 because that's exactly what it sounds like

[@EternalSentinal]

I would say that I don't think it's coming from greed, but being extremely out of touch and very stupid. When I watched it, I interpreted Watcher as wanting to move away from having sponsored episodes. They stated they felt like they were serving two masters when making content, the fans and then the sponsors, and they wanted to make content they wanted and what the fans would want. If that is the case, that's respectable, but their mess up was that they think of themselves a bigger than indie youtube content creators, more akin to rivaling buzzfeed in their minds. I love Watcher, (and yes, I acknowledge this may be making me biased in how I am taking this), but I didn't even know they had a patreon until this video came out, so why not take the things they were offering in the streamer service, voting on content to be brought back, that specialized streamer website, ect, and roll that into their patreon and actually advertise it more? I think it's because they thought that would be like Buzzfeed asking people to subscribe to a patreon; like it was a slap in the face of the people who watch the shows. They thought they were big corpo instead of what they were, a successful indie content creation studio that wanted to stay independent. Regardless of the intent or reason though, this was an enormous screw up that's wrecked their reputation and trust with their fans, myself included, and they have a long hard road to earn that trust back

[@Orthane]

I agree it's unforgivable. I am so fucking sick of the insane amount of greed that has overtaken so many people in the modern age.

[@Navitaro]

The only streaming service I used was Netflix, and I cancelled that a year ago.

[@Its_Vendetta]

“We make money through your views, patreon subscriptions and merch sales. Sorry we just wanted a lil more.”

[@heikodos]

funny thing is i had no clue who they are

[@kitsorcerer]

Aren't they 5 years late to the "start your own streaming service" party?

[@Z3NKETZU]

Why nux calling me out for watching his vids while I'm on the toilet....twice a day

[@TehWhiteTiger]

I've watched so many vidoes of people dunking on this. It just boggles my mind. Even if the backlash never happened, I can't see how they ever would have made more than KZbin with sponsors. They have to cater for them? Their content was as safe as it gets, what on earth were they making that the sponsors didn't like anyway?

[@LynnLyns]

Greed, they though that they could open that streaming service, paywall the content and still have the patreon and the ad-revenue for the old content that have been already uploaded to their channel.

[@lesarrazandran3562]

I just wanted to make a webtoon about nux not any other plans cause I like you and your personality

[@miasmicdreamer]

Edit 2:45 should've waited sixty seconds buut.. Didn't boss say recently that he wasn't going to quit adventure Time even though he was being reamed by copyright? Didn't he say in there, somewhere, that he didn't want to, I don't know... PUT HIS CONTENT BEHIND A PAYWALL??

[@OneAndOnlyStormy]

00:55 the 37 likes were from staff and friends

[@chiefkeefsson9979]

Screen recording boutta go crazy

[@samhughes7980]

Love the content as always, you are keeping some what sane at work by listening to your vods. Any tips for someone who is trying your best a streamer?

[@idontcarewhatmyusernameis7324]

The $6 a month thing is exactly like Elon Musk's $8 a month subscription on Twitter.

[@marquistraylor1255]

I dont know who these people are but I don’t trust that guy with the blonde hair. He’s moving hella shiesty. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was all his idea.

[@gilmariebrioso1554]

I'm here wondering how their live London show went. Where's the tea!?!?!

[@IAMFREAK]

Honestly I feel the way it concluded was well executed, sure the initial announcement was greed incarnate, but they did conclude with the watcher streaming service paywalling early content, but it will be free eventually on KZbin, but I don’t see the streaming service lasting with people knowing that the content will be free, I typically agree with nux but I think this apology is although not perfect, by far the best apology I’ve seen on KZbin. The reasoning for them wanting their own streaming service is definitely unreasonable because of the income the company sees but if what they say is at all true they just didn’t want ad breaks in their videos disrupting the content they’re trying to produce, I get why they wanted it, but it they didn’t take the audience they appeal to into account

[@manic_456]

Hoping tomorrow we get the Charlie/Nux apology reaction

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Yeah, gimmie that money and I'll tell no one.

[@sirrogerjalbert]

Journalist + greed = not surprising

[@doubledamn2599]

When you have this much, why do you need more?

[@zaythleon5847]

Matpat did that KZbin red exclusive content and it was fine

[@Lazy_Shikamaru]

Rooster Teeth did this except they took all of red vs blue off of their channel

[@thatufoguy]

Now we will truly find out if sinners can be redeemed

[@kitmountaincat6102]

apologies reduces the crime afterword your actions is what fixes it, anything can be forgiven it starts with sorry but it ends with your repentance actions because if you trip someone then apologize and you trip them again you apology is a lie, words are cheap and are less if it is a lies so yes saying sorry is where it starts being sorry is where it ends!

[@SpexSpexington]

@12:33 Even software companies are subscription based. Why should you have to pay $X/mth or $Y/yr for a computer program you may only use 1 or 2 times a month? If you use it daily, then sure! You'll get your money's worth. But otherwise, these companies are only hurting some of their customers. Same with streaming services!

[@SirBasterd]

Why are your eyes so long nux😂

[@TheJman669]

You can take the boys out of Buzzfeed, but you can NEVER take the Buzzgreed out of the boys.

[@winterwoods8360]

Ha I didn't even knew they existed 😂

[@Mikeygamer1]

As the silent watcher, i shit 3-4 times a day, get your numbers right buddy Also all jokes aside its 100% "we got caught being greedy and are sorry for getting caught" not sorry for getting greedy.. never heard of them before this, never gonna think about them after.

[@Kampstir]

If you put something that is $0.99 and say anyone can afford it, are you still out of touch like buying apps from the app store?

[@LordMaize]

Nux loves the numbers

[@TNTspaz]

It's crazy that they thought their audience was big enough to make this work. So many people didn't even know the Buzzfeed guys had made their own channel and this is the first they are hearing about it. KZbin ad revenue is gonna dwarf the amount of money they make from paid subs which makes this even more confusing. I really don't buy that they were financially struggling as well. Especially when you look into their company they have been actively expanding. Linus is basically the only channel that makes enough content on youtube to justify something like this.