W.I.T.C.H. Deserved Better

[@wargattack8837]

I grew up with both Winx and WITCH, and i personally always found WITCH more mysterious and interesting because of the dark and more «realistic» mirroring of fantasy.

[@TwilightWolf032]

I never liked the style of Winx Club. I tried getting into it last month, but the soft magic system and rather juvenile depiction of what a high school life is (I mean, the cast is tasked with preparing a dance party ON THEIR FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL, where the first years are just supposed to organize and execute without even knowing each other and they still manage to pull it off) have kept me from enjoying it. I see Winx Club as too laser focused on being the show for girls, while WITCH, Cardcaptor Sakura, Sailor Moon and most shoujo anime and manga like Aoharaido target the female audience but still manage to capture the male audiences as well because of how strong the writing is. So, yeah, WITCH wins for me.

[@TylerChou059]

Same. Although the Nickelodeon version of Winx Club is what I started with

[@Nakiimushi]

Winx was a bit more childish to me, so I never liked it and the artstyle was not my fav

[@vuivraalbastra]

WITCH is my favorite childhood show, but I barely watched any Winx episodes, they bored me every time they were on. I also don't personally like the art style for Winx, nothing seemed like a serious threat and there were too many characters for me. Another reason, and a bit embarrassing one to remember now, is that I liked that WITCH was less explicitly girly. I was a tomboy and while now I definitely love lots of pink, cutesy, "girly" things, I surely had my "I'm not like other girls" phase. I didn't care about colorful outfits and backgrounds, I just wanted to see superpowered girls fighting creepy monsters.

[@ynat1903]

​@@vuivraalbastra I don't think it's neccessary to be embarrassed about that. A lot of the shows that were targeted to girls during that time were often very feminine and hit a lot of the stereotypes of what girls are supposed to like and witch was one of the few shows that offered something bit different. I never really vibed with winx either because it just felt like "you are a girl so this is what you should like" type of thing and it just wasn't for me. Witch was the first time I actually identified with the female characters in the content I consumed, before that I always liked the boy characters more because they seemed more relatable to me.

[@ninavinterova9875]

y'all don't realise how big WITCH was in Europe! Like it was THE THING for girls. The TV show was just the tip of the iceberg for us. They made magazines in most languages and everybody bought them, even my school had a big stash of them in the library, I learned how to read on them. There were also 2 kinds of books you could buy about WITCH, ones that had stories in them and ones that had like girly tips and stuff. There were also doll lines, puzzles and Halloween costumes. It was definitely bigger than Winx over here.

[@liharin2975]

Yeah. It was pretty popular in Russia, whenever I mention the franchise while I'm hanging out with a group of young adults, there is somebody new to encourage a lively discussion about it!

[@bertam.7726]

In Portugal it was all over the place too! Every girl that I remember, loved it! I had all of my school stuff from witch 😜

[@discardme222]

Omg yessss. In France everyone was obsessed

[@drawhanidraw]

Here in Indonesia the comics and the girly extras published in one magazine! The magazine also showed things like zodiac stuffs, Hay Lin's fashion style, and every girl's bedrooms (and they were ✨ GOALS ✨)

[@KateKolate]

same in Poland! I remember buying almost all the comic books and magazines :D

[@magicwinxcrow2612]

"Why did all the red heads become protagonists in the 2000s?" No idea but as a ginger I love it.

[@CosmicPersephone]

Word.

[@patrickhathcox1816]

Ginger appreciation month.

[@junkjunkloot4357]

You will pry my redhead protagonist syndrome from my COLD DEAD HANDS

[@louisstfelix2744]

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[@DragonKingX78]

Will was always my favorite. Love this show and Kim Possible.

[@ekn_-vu5os]

In Europe we did not watch it as a “Disney Show” we watched it on a channel called JetiX

[@CatAunt202]

Oh god i loved Jetix

[@MooMilkMilk]

@@CatAunt202 I hated Jetix at first because it replaced Fox Kids. Later on I started to like it and then it got replaced by DisneyXD lmfao

[@drasiella]

RIP Jetix, it died before my eyes

[@yunogasai1338]

It was on jetix on the U.S. too. I miss jetix.

[@nadjabear]

Oh same in Mexico! I was actually confused because I didn't remember watching this show on Disney so I guess for all Latin America it was also broadcasted on JetiX

[@helleswahn]

I'm so surprised by the "most fans of the animated series didn't even know the comics existed" cause I thought everyone knew about the witch comics?? I remember reading it before the show came out, but was disappointed cause I felt like they did the comics so dirty

[@elizabethslama3326]

I honestly one of the people who don't realize the wicth was a comic book

[@cdpdoodler]

Same! I grew up borrowing the comics from my local library, the cartoon kinda disappointed me as a kid

[@gabsy_ferreira]

EXACTLY

[@AlekPixi]

Same! Maybe it differs depending on the country. In Denmark the comics were bigger than the show.

[@helleswahn]

@@AlekPixi Oh same here. I'm from Norway, so maybe you're right! :o

[@Lboogie0711]

Finally, someone says it! W.I.T.C.H was just as good as Winx Club; there comics were amazing and so detailed! This show should have deserved a third season at least

[@3rebella]

Yeah i feel like the fandoms are like arch nemisis of each other lel.

[@Lboogie0711]

@@3rebella I know and it’s crazy. We can all love both shows.

[@3rebella]

@@Lboogie0711 ikr

[@NonStopKnocks]

Just as good? It's far superior.

[@Lboogie0711]

@@NonStopKnocks Ok I’ll admit that W.i.t.c.h had more lore and fantasy elements but there was something about winx club that made it so much more different. Winx were more fashionable and the transformations were different each season, with witch you had a story plot for the first season then in season 2 the girls had to face off against a former guardian! I think that Nickelodeon should make more witch seasons just like they did with winx club. But with better writers of course. #renewWITCH

[@maxwellmediainc]

Actually it’s said in a lot of witch lore that red headed witch’s are the most powerful

[@harmonetheanimationaddict4419]

So that wasn’t just a thing Mary and the Witch’s Flower made up?

[@maxwellmediainc]

@@harmonetheanimationaddict4419 no it’s in a lot of witch lore and that’s what lead to things like Mary and the witches flower but also the scarlet witch and why in aloy of shows about protagonist the show stars a red headed woman

[@salceds]

wanda: i know thats fucking right

[@tavrosnitram1529]

@@harmonetheanimationaddict4419 red headed witches has been a thing for a long time, that's why religious people (way back when) thought they didn't have souls, because they made deals with the devil to become that powerful

[@kobochaos]

Gingers always gotta make themselves special. We get melanin you get to be the most powerful witches

[@davidgalan2140]

Also Taranee is adopted in the comics and it led to some really heartfelt moments. She also has her arc of getting tired of WITCH bs and leaving for a while

[@loturzelrestaurant]

The Winx Club Life Action Show is a Disgrace on 'Last Airbender'-Level. On 'Mulan 2020'-Level. You know what Level i mean... you know... Back then, the Winx Cartoon and the Witch-Cartoon were on the same Level and Witch was arguably better; but with the current Version of Winx Club, there is o comparison anymore: It fell HARD. And the Life Action Thing is even beyond that... So yeah, we obviously need a True-to-the-Cartoon and not-woke Remake. Modern tech makes it, but the soul is the same as it was, cause Dragonball-Evolution and so much more Nonsense has proven that ripping out the Soul of a Franchise is a bad idea - DUH!

[@dziabuka1981]

WHAT?! All life in lie 😭

[@soulrio]

For me, comic book W. I. T. C. H. ended in magic book and Cedric return arc. After that, creators made a horrible decisions about plot (Matt becoming teacher of guardians, and magic bus school, ugh). Taranee has actually a good character development when she refuse to be a Guardian and her problematic relationship with her mother and Nigel. I didn't understand what happen to her - she likes photography in first comics, why creators turned her interest into dancing? Nigel's character is actually good and Taranee sacrifice a lot of nerves and home wars to be with Nigel - screw it, give Taranee a new boyfriend from nowhere. And Taranee for me isn't adopted - this arc was made for only worthless drama.

[@Hey_AJ]

Oh wow I never knew that.

[@Bettersucksaul]

@@soulrio I didn't even know of the arcs after the first one. I assumed Elyon getting her magic and Meridian being fixed was the end, and it was a good end imo. I guess they were forced to continue the plot

[@erikacolombini3595]

About the line "Tell the men to stay strong and the women not to worry" and its implicit partiarc system: I am Italian, so I always watched the show in Italian and, watching your video, I did not remember this line to be like this, so I re-watched the first episode and it actually says "Dì al popolo di essere forte: spero che nessuno debba soffrire" which translates to "Tell the people to be strong: I hope no one will suffer". I don't know why the english line is more misogynist that the original but I think it would be an interesting topic to discuss (how dubbing can change the implicit messages directed to the audience)

[@shizukagozen777]

Waw ! Thank you for the info ! (What a useless change btw, I hate that so much.)

[@nayalydejesus8806]

I get you Same thing happened with a Mean Girls line, specifically when Tina Fey's character (forgot her name) says "we got to stop calling each other sluts and whores. It just make guys to think it's ok to call you sluts and whores"; in the Spanish dub they changed it a little and the character says: "we got to stop calling each other sluts and whores. It's guys who should call you sluts and whores". Like, ?? Although I read somewhere that in the Spanish dub she uses a sarcastic tone when saying that phrase, it still was an unnecessary change

[@sarafodor989]

From the Hungarian dub it translates to something loosely similar as the Italian, I guess the English translators were more misogynistic

[@Extra-thoughts]

I know I'm very late to comment, but the cartoon was written in and voiced English first and then translated so the original line is the misogynistic line, and the Italian writers noticed it was misogynistic and changed it to something better

[@Thelightningrodri]

How is the English line misogynist ? How does Not wanting women not to worry themselves translate to misogyny. Idk if you know but misogyny means “ a hatred of women”. The English line only acknowledges that in times of turmoil and strife men are better suited for combat. I believe all of history and basic human biology shows us this.

[@MangaCrazy101]

As a tomboy who absolutely LOVED W.I.T.C.H. (both the show and comics) as a teen. I can tell you this was made for people who don’t necessarily WANT to be feminine. I loved it because the girls could just be themselves and wear jeans and baggy sweaters and still like boys. It was like me, I could see myself in these characters. It was more mature and realistic compared to WINX (which I also liked but not as much). I think I’m glad the show ended where it did, ending on such a high and great note and didn’t get milked and ruined the same way WINX has now been.

[@Nemamka]

Thank you I was thinking the same thing! It never bothered me if they made it intentionally more appealing to boys, because it was appealing to ME. The characters looked like very NORMAL 13 year-olds, for god's sake, that's how old I was and that's how I looked when I read the comics too. I just remember identifying with some aspects of each of the characters as a kid - not a child but not a ~girl (especially not a woman) yet, just a _kid_ . They were feminine enough when they changed but also their witch clothes still remained practical and dare I say, Cornelia was just... classy in both forms with her pinstraight hair. So was Taranee, I adored her nerdy style too. _And_ Will and Irma, and of course Hay Lin was very unique with her bubbly yet soft character. Who's to say what is feminin 'enough'? I think the _point_ of the five girls was that each of them represented a range of femininity and I loved them the way they were. Everyone knows puberty is a whole entire MESS anyway, but we tend to forget.

[@barrankobama4840]

At the time of the comics (early 2000') wearing jeans was the absolute norm for girls in Italian high schools (actually it had been for decades). The comics simply reflects the ongoing fashion of the time.

[@Nippontradamus]

As a guy who had picked up the books, I read it as a novel which seems to not be the norm here, I enjoyed it for the story and characters. I did notice that it had female protagonists, but that never stopped me

[@rebeccaclark2614]

Exactly how I felt! A show for tomboys

[@aishamilton26]

I think the same in the early 2000 shows for girls were girly, nothing wrong with it but it was nice to have a show were it could be both. Show duality

[@EnchantingWings1]

Yaaas. I loved both W.I.T.C.H and Winx. I love W.I.T.C.H for mature themes and savagery. And Winx for the fun, colourful world with a bunch of cool villains.

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

Why is it not on Disney Plus

[@OmiOmislysolofficial]

@Erwin Lii oh but the World of Winx id absolutely worth the watch. I got lost on winx club after the 4th season (but still watched it cuz nostalgia & giggles) but World of Winx is more action and no boys other than chasing enemies back-to-back on 2 seasons straight. For both Winx & WITCH tho, I love both these shows due to their differences (Winx for lighter colourful childhood & WITCH for action packed mystery lore) but I'd have to say their I prefer their magazines more (esp for WITCH I collected SOOOO many of Winx & WITCH magazines it's not a joke)

[@littlewitchling535]

@@OmiOmislysolofficial omg I hated the fourth season. The fact that the Trix wasn't present made me dislike it. I never really liked the wizards of the black circle

[@OmiOmislysolofficial]

@@littlewitchling535 lol yeah i mean it's like so untraditional if they don't include their lifetime archnemesis rite? But then suddenly the Trix poofed back in again in the future and then Season 8 just completely 6 y/o cartoonified the Winx anx I just.... Yeah. Then I discovered fhe Netflix's World of Winx where EVERYTHING they should've turned S5-S8 into actually be made - and back-to-back action, magic and mystery, I got back into Winx, tho still disregarding a pot of whatever S5-8 was. I would say World of Winx was the most worthy 2 seasons of Winx right after the original 3 earliest seasons

[@littlewitchling535]

@@OmiOmislysolofficial YESSSSSSSS. Now the only thing I want now are the DVDs but man it's a shame that season 3 isn't on DVD for the US version.

[@thessan11]

Child me sometimes wondered why Cornelia was my favourite despite the fact that I was by no means a girly girl. Adult me just accepts her own bisexuality and that she has a type.

[@SwimmingInSunlight]

This deserves the "I'm in this picture and I don't like it" meme 😂

[@feelflows]

I also thought Cornelia was my fav and I couldn’t figure out why! I’m now bi af and it all makes sense lmao

[@florlozana6289]

Same

[@not_them]

Oh man, same

[@malikparah915]

but why is this me?

[@Tarikkb]

As a person who’s currently going to art school and majoring in animation I will not stop till I bring this show back ✌🏻

[@rdsasuke1]

DEW IT!

[@SOLO.SHAD0W-HAWK]

Is that competition I see 👀

[@Tarikkb]

@@SOLO.SHAD0W-HAWK may the best one win 👁👄👁

[@nightwishisthegreatestband6355]

Please succeed!

[@zl2240]

Thank you for your service!

[@coffytacotuesday4106]

As an italian, I'm glad to see shows like Witch or Winx grew in popularity and appreciation even in foreign countries :)

[@meplosch3595]

Omg same as an italian😩

[@lunamoon4062]

I loved it sooo much I was so sad when I found out that it wasn't a thing in Britain (where I lived half the time as a Anglo-Italian kid.)

[@loturzelrestaurant]

??? I just found out; by accident; that you cant write another, more commonly used word for autistic people anymore! You can only say autistic people anymore, you cant leave the 'people'-part and use an S at the end!! Is this just my PC bugging out?! Can someone self-test and check, please? KZbin cant be so insane to make this a No-No-Word, can they??!

[@coffytacotuesday4106]

@@loturzelrestaurant no one is even talking about this in this comment section

[@shizukagozen777]

@@loturzelrestaurant Welcome in the not-so-new-world where you can't say whatever the fck you want anymore. There are even more common words than this one that you can't use if not, KZbin bot just nicely erases your comment. ^^ We were spared for a while on Pinterest. Not anymore... 🙄

[@novastarburst3939]

W.I.T.C.H was really refreshing for not being overly feminine. Tbh, for a tomboy like me who heard everyday that I was wrong to look like that, having a show where the characters weren't perfect models with sparkly bright tight clothes was comforting. Same for the dark, the rain ( something we don't see a lot in winx for example), the importance of Halloween in the comic, the diversity in the families as well, the fact all girls didn't have to be in couple or stay forever together ( in one of the comics they could see their possible futures and almost none of them were with the same bf they had). It was like having an autumn in all those summer like shows. I just hope they won't do a reboot, it would probably lost a lot of the comic & earlier show's peculiar spirit, which made its charm, to became a bland trendy generic show.

[@eleberethe8120]

I was thinking about smth similar, how Will's emotional dismanagement is not so typical when you characterize a girl in fiction. Myself, I am a trans boy, and she greatly normalized for me that someone in feminine body as I had can have this sort of sheltered emotional life and then tantrums of stubborn behavior, and not be a pariah. Same goes for other girls, their behavioral quirks made them real people, not just a symbol of idealized version of teen femininity at that time.

[@AlexKatzenstein]

​@@eleberethe8120Same. I'm also a trans guy and loved the w.i.t.c.h. comics as a kid exactly because the characters were relatable. I never thought of it as something that's only for girls even though it was marketed that way.

[@Cutelifelavinia]

They are just normal girls , dont bring "tomboy" to this ,i think u have a probleme

[@Cutelifelavinia]

​@@eleberethe8120 they were normal girls not like the misoginy society want girl to be .

[@analauramorelrocha2383]

I still find Winx Club's clothes awful, they are too sexual, so yeah, I like WITCH better

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

witch gets cancelled but winx club runs for *13 Y E A R S* there is no justice in this world.

[@djuannalester4743]

Winx should’ve ended after season 5 and I will DIE ON THAT HILL

[@Yuunarichu]

@@djuannalester4743 I rather liked Mythix though. 😔💔

[@djuannalester4743]

@@Yuunarichu me too. It could’ve been used in a spin off form. I always write S6 onward as a spin-off. They graduate Alfea, bloom and sky finally get married, Stella becomes queen of Solaria, and the gang gets mythix.

[@videlladelveen5048]

Right !!!!

[@sugartonix]

I mean I love winx but damn W.i.t.c.h deserve to comeback

[@TabbyMic]

I actually preferred the show’s art style. It was darker, which made it seem edgier. That was very appealing for me in my early teens. It also set it apart from Winx.

[@lauragoreni3020]

I don't think you actually read the comics, they were really dark, especially in the first arc. I read them all and got the feeling that the person who created this video only read a few, there were a lot of inaccuracies.

[@rdsasuke1]

@@lauragoreni3020 No they weren't, i've read them too. It was bright af msot of the time with a really round design on everything.

[@lauragoreni3020]

@@rdsasuke1 oh yeah? What about the tragedy of the meridian people turned into black roses? Or the mass exodus of meridian people? Elyon crying for never meeting her mother and questioning whether Phobos loves her? Caleb leaving Cornelia after seeing her true form? Will's father threatening to take Will away from her mother just for money? Taranee's mother slapping her in public? the funeral of Yan Lin? Will's pet dying in front of her in a car accident? Yeah, super duper light.

[@AintIastinker]

@@lauragoreni3020 apparently cute character designs must always mean light hearted themes

[@onizuka8117]

Laura Goreni yeah i read the comics it was definitely darker

[@lauragoreni3020]

People who read the comics actually know that Irma, while being more feminine in the comics, actually stands up for herself and has the exact same sense of humour as cartoon-Irma. Also, she NEVER had the power to control minds in the comics. Another inaccuracy: yes, Cornelia stands up for the underdog, but she's everything as the group's "mother" in the comics. She's not maternal at all, in the comic panels shown in the video she stands up for Will when she's bullied but not because she's maternal, but rather because she's authoritarian. Cornelia in the comics is bossy, serious and had quite a cold personality that takes a lot to "melt", she's everything but maternal. In fact, there are also many instances in which Cornelia acts on her own without of the group because she wants to be alone and being very authoritarian she's also the one who questions Will's right as a leader.

[@imjustdandy9799]

Yes I agree, maternal is possibly the last way I would describe Cornelia, and she’s one of my favorites.

[@ShoonEmber]

I’ve just started reading the comics after the last rewatch of the show but Irma does mind-control in one of the first chapters. The history teacher is about to tell her to speak in front of the class and she mentally persuades him to ask her about the stone age (the only thing she read about). And then Hay Lin is like “it always works for you, doesn’t it?” but they might have dropped it later in the comics 🦔 I also like how they show most of the girls powers in the first chapters. Like Will’s ability to control electronic devices and Irma’s thing to change clothes colour

[@ViiZedek]

I LOVED the comics, but didn’t like the show at all. Always thought the show was too weak, both aesthetically and in plot, compared to the comics

[@AlekPixi]

THIS!!!

[@bananasplitlady3045]

Yeah, I only ever had one comic and I never watched the show, so I'm not an authority on W.I.T.C.H or anything. But I like the art in the comics a _lot_ more than the animation in the show, and the animated characters' voices bug me. Also, I absolutely do not like the idea of Cornelia being turned into a fussy, whiny stereotype of a blonde teenage girl.

[@kittengurl220]

YES. I blame it on the filler episodes though. And the need for comic relief. I think the comics were more serious.

[@pingvinererkule]

Agreed, I was looking forward to the show but it fell so flat in every way for me compared to the comics!

[@audhumbla6927]

YES

[@Citadel1221]

I find Phobos fascinating and he's still one of my favorite bad guys. I've always liked gender-discrimination reversal in fantasy societies (DND Drow FTW); it holds up a mirror that asks why we take certain gender norms for granted and how power influences the gender constructs. The royal family of Meridian is a matriarchy; if we gender-swap this into a standard medieval universe, Phobos is the capable princess being passed over for her younger brother who still a child. He was valued less because of his gender, but obviously felt like he was an equal, and as a woman in the real world, I relate. There is a dark, unexplored journey that explains what led Phobos from passover prince to Usurper Tyrant; this is the kind of stuff that fanfiction was made for. Someone write that fic, right now!

[@atlast6913]

Phobos downfall to evil is explored in a story called „pressed and faded roses“ on ao3 . It’s a shipping fic but still very well written

[@not_them]

I was obsessed with Cornelia's magical girl outfit as a kid, I just loved the long swishy skirt

[@m.p.9931]

Cornelia 🙃

[@yunogasai1338]

I was sad Taranee was stuck with tights.

[@gabsy_ferreira]

@@yunogasai1338 oof, I hated Taranee's guardian looks so much. I know it was supposed to be hip hop based but i guess it just didn't work at all

[@yunogasai1338]

@@gabsy_ferreira Taranee definitely got short changed in the guardian form department. At least everyone gets awesome casual wear. I wish I'd had an awesome closet like that as a kid lol.

[@Monie71793]

💯🥰

[@harriyanna]

like i said, I BELIEVE IN IRMA SUPREMACY. omg i wish they did so much better with taranee character. and YES cornelia and caleb's relationship was a hot mess and I WAS HERE FOR IT.

[@harmonyae7033]

Me too, there was so much potential in Taranee (and I liked how, at least how I remember it, she wasn't a mule for the other girls. Nor did she mother them, she just did he bookish girl thing and I was there for it.) The comics are top-tier fyi. Better characterization all around.

[@Micsu69]

I thought Taranee was interesting in the comics when she discovered why she’s scared of fire and found out she’s adopted :)

[@uatoto7783]

SIMPLY EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS A YES

[@LOREWITHBLAZER]

To be honest If this show continued I always believe it would surpass Winx

[@zl2240]

definitely, the only reason kid me liked winx more was because there was more content to watch. The quality looking back was always higher in witch.

[@periperi1261]

ZL older me definitely likes Witch more

[@gabsy_ferreira]

Witch deserved WAAAAAAY better

[@outsider1269]

Winx Club received big ratings in Europe and decent ratings within the Fox 4Kids TV programming block and later on Nickelodeon US. That's why more seasons were kept on being made and there was later a live action Netflix adaptation. W.I.TC.H. on the other hand didn't get good ratings at least here in the United States. Perhaps had it been aired regularly on the Disney Channel, it might have built an audience but W.I.T.C.H. was aired on The Disney Channel during the weekend afternoons where there was little chance to earn good ratings.

[@JennyAsk]

Oh yeah definitely!!

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

I don't support a reboot. I want them to continue the Animated Series based off of the original 2 Seasons. They should get as many of the original voice actors and writers as possible and do Season 3. Many years ago I heard rumors that they planned on doing 6 Seasons and a movie. That's what they should DO NOT REBOOT W.I.T.C.H. the Animated Series.

[@outsider1269]

WITCH received poor ratings within the United States. One major reason is because the show was aired on ABC Kids. Because WITCH didn't meet Educational/Informative requirements, it had to be aired at 12pm, which is a bad time slot. By US federal law, TV stations must air at least three hours of E/I programs per week. Because of low ratings, there was little advertising revenue and very low merchandise sales in the USA. Had it been aired on The Disney Channel on a regular basis instead if weekend afternoons it might gave earned better ratings. Most Americans have no awareness of the WITCH property. A reboot mixing the best elements if the comics and the best of the original animated series on Disney Plus would be best.

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

@Outsider12 I stand by what I said. If you watch the original Animated Series and compared it to the comic issues they are different in alot of ways and in my opinion and in the opinions of many many others the Animated Series was better. The characters have much better personalities and the character development is much better compared to the comic issues that the Animated Series is based off of. And another thing to consider is I'd say more people knew about the Animated Series then the comics because Television can reach much large audiences then the comics so to me canceling it just meant that the whole W.I.T.C.H. franchise was hurt. Disney could of totally kept this series going and had they it would of just gotten more popular. Another thing is Disney payed for Season 3 during the Season 2 and still canceled it the proof of this is simple they ended Season 2 by showing the Computer Teacher to the girls at the last minute this was a big signal that a third season was coming. SIP Animation wouldn't of ended Season 2 the way they did had they known Disney was out right canceling W.I.T.C.H. after just two Seasons. Many of the rumors I heard about W.I.T.C.H said that Disney payed for Season 3 during the halfway point of Season 2. The bottom line to me is Disney didn't do as much as they could to keep this Animated Series going and they used ratings as an excuse for canceling it... the best way they could fix this is to make a third season based off the original two Seasons of the Animated Series and bring back as many of the original voice actors and writers as possible. Have a good day...

[@Miihusa]

They should give the ending the girls need!

[@albrtw]

I’m absolutely agree with u!

[@RainBowSasaFras]

I have so many feelings about Cornelia! I read the comics as a kid before watching the show, and she was by far my favorite character in the comics. I loved her maturity and gentle hippie vibs. So seeing how different she is in the show was such a shock that I hated her at the time. It made me so mad because it felt like they made her the stuck up girly girl just because she's blond. looking back on it, it doesn't bother me as much and a nature magic user who's discussed by nature is kind of a funny trope. her relationship with Caleb is my favorite part of the story ether way, comic or show.

[@jadedawes2556]

I didn't know the two shows fandoms hated each other so much... I always loved both...

[@yuki97kira]

Same. I was never involved with other fans, just me in my own little world, i love both w.i.t.c.h and winx, i love both outfits, both stories etc etc

[@burntcinnamon1735]

For some reason it was the law that female centered things were not allowed to coexist in the 2000s. I'm so glad we moved past that bs.

[@ramondelgado4927]

Its like the pokemon and digimon rivalry , the shows came up almost at the same time and had almost the same premise, remember back in the dark ages of 00s anime tropes (magic girl , monsters battles , etcc..) were just barely reaching america , so a show like those 2 were unhead of yet and in the 2 major channels (CN and Disney) but they were also vastly diferent , WINX is "girlier" while WITCH is "edgier" , so the fandoms where at opposite ends .....................i always find them entertaining for diferent reasons but usually if you liked one you didnt like the other on account of the tones i guess

[@jadedawes2556]

@@yuki97kira Same. Fandom wasn't really the same for me back then as it is now, though I still don't really interact with too many people and usually avoid the toxicity.

[@jadedawes2556]

@@ramondelgado4927 That's kind of funny. I loved both Pokemon and Digimon too.

[@KookiesNolly]

IIRC In the French version Will would say something along the lines of "the power that links them" (them being the other girls's powers) after transforming.

[@cristinaacosta8938]

I think the Latin American version might've taken the french dub as a guide line, because I remember the line being along those lines too.

[@vibinggood2023]

Will= The heart!

[@queenmarshmallow8013]

I remember that in the English dub too, or I'm imagining it

[@b.h.4249]

In the German version, she shouts "Yeah"

[@vibinggood2023]

@@b.h.4249 😂 omg i totally forgot about that! Poor thing.

[@EnchantingWings1]

By the way, Thom, your crossover fan fic would probably take off as there are fans of both ❤️

[@Joey-nr4pw]

winx x w i t c h?

[@EnchantingWings1]

@@Joey-nr4pw yep 😊

[@cristinaacosta8938]

Indeed (like me, you have a reader in me) PD: So that was a bad pun but the point still stands 😉

[@kaythekat913]

Hello, I AM the target audience 👋

[@qufdlbbyong]

I would love to read it

[@MewMeg]

Blunk is like that friend's dog you can't get rid off because it drools everywhere but with time, you learn to actually accept it like part of the family.

[@orangeslash1667]

I think the only reason why Blunk exists is to appeal to boys who may not like girls shows but it kinda backfires because he makes it more difficult for the girls to get immersed. It's the definition of identity crisis. Blunk to me feels like the type of character you would expect in a Ren and Stimpy cartoon, rather than Sailor Moon based on an Italian comic.

[@smart.but.stupid]

It's so cruel to compare a stinky goblin who is a gross-out comic relief to an actual dog who's still cute.

[@xXWithoutMyHeroesXx]

to be fair the comics had quite a few cute-guy eye candy and the whole caleb thing, even phobos was introduced in a bath scene that just flashed before my eyes like ten years later the girls deal with developed families, they time and again strain their relationships with each other, feel trapped and anxious in their responsibilities all that to say the comics are very much connected to a female audience edit: it was also sold as a teen magazine with fanart, quizzes and cute little gifts like Will's froggie keychain or element rings

[@TheGrandSilence]

I remember loving both Witch and Winx as a little girl and being so confused when Witch suddenly seemed to vanish, it was so disappointing, I wish I had known of Sailor Moon back then

[@littlewitchling535]

SAME. It's great that we grew up with Winx and witch though

[@elizabethslama3326]

Yes me too, do the creators like finsh airing all the episode or do they cancel it i am sill confused about what happens

[@brodericksiz625]

W.I.T.C.H. was huge here in Italy back in the day. It kept on being huge for a while even after the animated series was discontinued. I don't know how to properly express how big Disney comics were (and, to an extent, still are) here in pizzaland and Witch was, for a while, the biggest. I don't know a single person who is now pursuing an artistic career who didn't start out doodling Witch characters back in middle school; that's how big Witch was over here.

[@kookiekxk9817]

YES OMG!! I remember tracing all the characters all the time

[@thepimme]

I think that goes for all of Europe

[@orangeslash1667]

@@kookiekxk9817 The dresses are lovely😍

[@kerrygligorovic9758]

It's the shame there's no third Season of W.I.T.C.H. because back in Season 2 in "U is for Undivided" we learn why Hay Lin and Cornelia were chosen to be guardian of Air and Earth by the oracle but never explained by Will, Irma and Taranee why their choesn to be guardians exccept for a hint for the next Season which never happened.

[@elizabethslama3326]

Well i read a rumor online there might be a 3 season someday

[@AW-vk6zt]

I wish they had adapted the arc where Taranee left W.I.T.C.H and was replaced by Orube, and her ensuing romance with Cedric. Orube has such a solid design and I wanted to see her fight with her martial arts, and the appearance of We, the small raccoon-like creature who became pretty much the mascot of the W.I.T.C.H comics. They also traveled to multiple worlds with different cultures and inhabitants, and it was all so fascinating and beautiful.

[@emanueladudau2937]

I remember being OBSESSED with W.I.T.C.H. as a kid, was waiting for it on TV like it was fresh air, also was buying the comics as soon as they were coming out

[@acehealer4212]

It’s a shame this franchise didn’t take off. I loved the show as a kid. Maybe we’ll see a nostalgic animated reboot when the target audience is in our, like, forties. Lol.

[@lauragoreni3020]

You can easily find the comics online for a free read. They're much better, no comparison.

[@rdsasuke1]

@@lauragoreni3020 Dude no, the comics pale in comparison.

[@littlewitchling535]

I'm thinking it's because it wasn't girly enough. It's a shame too because I enjoyed it when I was about 5

[@f.emirli6027]

@@lauragoreni3020 do you know where I can find it?

[@Melanie-jy2nw]

@@lauragoreni3020 I actually discovered the comics series at the library as a kid. They were amazing.

[@ellenjoana1657]

Here in Germany I feel like witch was just as, if not more popular than winx club in the 2000s 😂 The comic was even more famous than the animated series!

[@greenscythe8940]

Absolutely... I went to buy the issues every month for years xDD

[@rika5445]

The comic was my first subscription, I was so happy when my parents allowed it 😂 I wonder where the clock went that I got with it...

[@Nemamka]

Yes, in Hungary we also had it at every newspaper stand! I bought it every month and I have all 139 issues.

[@diamondcentury21]

@@Nemamka I’m so jealous, my grandma threw away all of mine after I moved out 😭😭 it’s been years and I’m still salty about it 😢

[@maiheartbeats2102]

I had a deal with my mother, that I needed 10 A’s in a month to get that magazine 🥲 got them every month, guess Witch was a great Motivator 😂

[@naomi7918]

Irma is actually quite different from the comics. In the comics she's the prepped princess who could be sometimes selfish. But in the show they made her a tomboy and gave this role to Cornelia

[@mpGreen03]

I recently read comics again and I would not call her "prepped princess", could you explain a bit more why you said that?

[@naomi7918]

@@mpGreen03 English is not my first language so I thought prepped princess was the good way to describe her. I just think that in the comics she was way more feminine and cared more about her appearance and stuff. I remember moments like when she transformed in her « hero » form, that looks older, to impress an older guy she had a crush on. And then started complaining because she couldn’t turn back to normal properly ( like big head on a child’s body). Another time when her step mom wanted to give her some advice ( or was angry at her, don’t remember fully) and Irma called her out saying she wasn’t her mom. You know stuff like that, I thought she was quite mean at times

[@mpGreen03]

@@naomi7918 Hmm. I see. English isn't my first language too. Idk, Cornelia in the comics is the girly one too, she cares about fashion, beauty, her hair especially, she also is more elegant and uptight, so she always reminded me of Princess type character. Irma is girly too, but not as much, Irma cares about rock music and boys, but Cornelia already had her eyes set on Caleb, later on Peter. Irma wore pink, skirts and flowers on her more often than Cornelia, they both are girly but Cornelia reminds me of princess trope while Irma doesn't. And Irma shouting at her mom - I don't think that it ties with princess like behaviour also, they simply got into fight, Irma as many teenagers would do said something that she later on regretted very much.

[@naomi7918]

@@mpGreen03 I could recall other moments when she was mean, like when she told Cornelia to get over Caleb after he "died". They actually were all girly in the group, I just noticed how they changed Irma in the show, less girly and stuff

[@mpGreen03]

@@naomi7918 I think that it all comes down to high tension during that arc, but yeah Irma could def. be harsh and brash sometimes, later on regretting it xd, but being mean does not equal to being girly or princess like, we at least to me. But it was nice discussion, thanks!

[@tomeekun]

I read that in the first season, during transformation, Will would say "ether", which was traditionally known as the fifth element, the essence of life if you will, but due to an audio glitch, it became very high pitched and they just never fixed it for whatever reason.

[@solluxcaptor5410]

I had NO idea there was a series until I saw this video in my recommendations, I'm afraid to say. I absolutely loved the comics, and I dressed up as Will for Halloween a few times, so how I never found out, I'm ashamed to say I'm at a loss.

[@ducklingscap897]

Same I had no clue that there was a show until I was like 17 and got a random youtube recommendation. I was so confused and felt like a "fake" fan because I din't know something so important.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

The Winx Club Life Action Show is a Disgrace on 'Last Airbender'-Level. On 'Mulan 2020'-Level. You know what Level i mean... you know... Back then, the Winx Cartoon and the Witch-Cartoon were on the same Level and Witch was arguably better; but with the current Version of Winx Club, there is o comparison anymore: It fell HARD. And the Life Action Thing is even beyond that... So yeah, we obviously need a True-to-the-Cartoon and not-woke Remake.

[@bowlofcereal7950]

I didnt realise how many people didnt know about the comics! Tbh I grew up more on the comics than the show and theyre soo underrated I loved them before and a few years ago I reread all the volumes I had in our basement and theyre still goood

[@elizabethslama3326]

Yes I don't realize that have comis either I guess they don't advise it enough.

[@santinistar]

I know! I loved the comics, they were such an important part of my life.. When I heard they were making a show, I got so excited, but when I actually saw I was horrified 😂 It felt more like it was geared towards kids than the comics who were firmly in the coming of age / young adult category. The music, the voices and the art style of the show was too bad to endure watching, so I stuck with the comics. M

[@loturzelrestaurant]

The Winx Club Life Action Show is a Disgrace on 'Last Airbender'-Level. On 'Mulan 2020'-Level. You know what Level i mean... you know... Back then, the Winx Cartoon and the Witch-Cartoon were on the same Level and Witch was arguably better; but with the current Version of Winx Club, there is o comparison anymore: It fell HARD. And the Life Action Thing is even beyond that... So yeah, we obviously need a True-to-the-Cartoon and not-woke Remake. Modern tech makes it, but the soul is the same as it was, cause Dragonball-Evolution and so much more Nonsense has proven that ripping out the Soul of a Franchise is a bad idea - DUHHH!

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@elizabethslama3326 WTF??? I just found out; by accident; that you cant write another, more commonly used word for autistic people anymore! You can only say autistic people anymore, you cant leave the 'people'-part and use an S at the end!! Is this just my PC bugging out?! Can someone self-test and check, please? KZbin cant be so insane to make this a No-No-Word, can they??!

[@Julianpowpow]

The comics were really popular in the Philippines. When we visited at a young age in the early 2000’s we picked up all of the volumes available. When a couple years later they get released as novels in the us and an animated series I was really excited. So happy that you’re covering this!

[@Julianpowpow]

Hot take I still love the comics more LOL but the animated series was still iconic

[@keito-kun6618]

my cousin was addicted to this and gave me an issue (i was poor, they were rich) and i fell in love with the art, couldnt stop rereading it that time..) i remember its the issue involving her dormouse getting hit by a car...

[@saikyouiku]

Yeah, owned the comics from like issue ~55 (God I wish I could find them still) and I also got most of the earlier comics as collections. I read the comics way before the tv show got here The last sagas (the story arcs) were... not that good, and before it ended it had abandoned the story arcs and just did a single story in a single issue, no continuity When I moved into my current apartment from my childhood home I could only find around 20 or 30 of the comics. I really hate how I couldn't find anything from the last story arcs. I really wish they'd do a reprint

[@denzelwynter]

I used to buy the issues from the Philippines!

[@kendrithillustrations]

I love your talking about W.I.T.C.H. I swear that whole series in general is super underrated. Not gonna lie, I squealed when you mentioned Hariyanna Hook and her take on the series as well. 😍

[@LonelyGallifreyan]

THIS WAS A SHOW?!?!?!?! I loved this series as a comic when I was a kid, and I had no idea there was an animated adaptation. Hay Lin was my fav, I think because she was Asian and I related to seeing that in a story.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

The Winx Club Life Action Show is a Disgrace on 'Last Airbender'-Level. On 'Mulan 2020'-Level. You know what Level i mean... you know... Back then, the Winx Cartoon and the Witch-Cartoon were on the same Level and Witch was arguably better; but with the current Version of Winx Club, there is o comparison anymore: It fell HARD. And the Life Action Thing is even beyond that...

[@m.k4447]

Barely anyone talks about this show, which is a TRAVESTY because it is so goddamn good! I rewatched it as an adult a few years back and yeah, the animation is a bit wonky sometimes, but it 10000% still holds up to this day. The girls all having seperate and distinct characterisation, the individual and collective struggles they all went through, how the girly girls and the tomboys weren't completely pitted against each other & instead came to love each other as friends...W.I.T.C.H did things shows today don't even do

[@marinettemasyrenaud8742]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@wintersnow998]

Tbh, I always kinda assumed Will was saying "the heart" because she had the Heart of the Kandrakar.

[@heathersaxton8118]

She does say The Heart in season 2 actually

[@mikesheldon5022]

@@heathersaxton8118 yeah I agree but I think she was saying pink perp in season 1

[@heathersaxton8118]

@@mikesheldon5022 absolutely

[@oneproudpeacock6901]

Then eventually quintessence.

[@Mx.Phoenix]

Sounded like "the urt" to me 🤔

[@gbarr999]

I’ve never laughed as hard at ‘F for flower’ 😂😭✋🏼

[@gracesgr8t]

Will was saying “The Heart” during her transformation sequence. But I’ll never understand why it was mumbled beyond recognition until season 2, when it became clear to understand

[@optiona3667]

I could have sworn that she said “the earth” but I also remember “the heart” in season two, so dunno.

[@annmaryjohn3258]

She actually said KEEPER in season 1, before changing it to THE HEART, and then QUINTESSENCE.

[@andrecaetano3631]

I'm Brazil, and she used to say "universe" Why? Don't ask me

[@gracesgr8t]

@@annmaryjohn3258 I had no clue she was saying Keeper in season 1. I've heard different theories about what she said, but never that one. And, yeah, I remember her changing Heart to Quintessence in season 2. I forgot to mention that in my original comment.

[@brina5064]

I learned how to draw by trying to replicate W.I.T.C.H's art style. Thank you for talking about this franchise!

[@yuuichimakoto]

Glad i grow up in early 2000s and read W.I.T.C.H. Now when i read it again and saw all the life style, clothes, techniques we used to have back then.. bring back memories.

[@b.h.4249]

Fun Fact: In the German dub when Will transforms she shouts "Yeah!".

[@rdsasuke1]

At least she was honest.

[@Monie71793]

Lol 😂

[@kismarik]

In Hungarian she shouts "THAT'S IT!"

[@LucElementix]

In the Season 1 French dub, she's babbling too. I never understood if Will said "A vous!" (Your turn!) or "Amour!" (Love!).

[@resstie]

In Russian dub she says "We are one!" or "United!" in s1 (the same thing she says right before transformation), in s2 she also sometimes says "Crystal!" (referring to heart of Kandrakar ig)

[@osalima]

The opening for that show was so good omg

[@optiona3667]

Iconic

[@b.h.4249]

I couldn't stop listening to it back then, it was such a banger. And the "We are W.I.T.C.H." one was also amazing.

[@belladonna869]

I still play We Are W.I.T.C.H. unironically. It's so good

[@epiphanymaplethorpe2592]

I loved it when Hay Lin did that blow thing in the opening. Kept replaying it.

[@elizaripper]

I remember loving this because it felt so much darker and normal compared to other girl power shows. All the shows I remember had the girls as impossibly fashionable and gorgeous, like Winx Club and Totally Spies. I just loved how W.I.T.C.H. had them wearing normal clothes and having appropriate reactions to the more deadly situations they find themselves in. Also, I have to support a video with a Rooster Teeth reference.

[@orangeslash1667]

Too bad Blunk ruins W.I.T.C.H's mature tone

[@jadjason6053]

Tb really honest: I love Blunk and the rivalry between him and Jeek is something that really shines throughout the series. Sadly it only happens across a few episodes.

[@katiepersons6575]

Beneath the veneer of the whimsical family friendly facade Disney projects lay a company as cold and ruthless as any corporation you will ever find.

[@orangeslash1667]

Ever since Disney bought Marvel, they gave up being creative.

[@burntcinnamon1735]

You're definitely not alone on disliking Blunk he is one the most annoying characters I've ever seen in a cartoon. He's like constantly being around a middle school class clown.

[@moona3206]

And he wasn't even in the comics !

[@hekate5561]

I loved him... I don't know what it was... I usually find characters like that tedious, but I adored something about him... perhaps his loyalty?

[@Kruukk]

@@hekate5561 Thomas is wrong saying Blunk was just a plot device. He had actual character development. Although he remains the most cowardly member of the main cast he eventually growsa bit of a spine and doesn't hesitate to help his friends. Yes, he was very often used for comedy but that wasn't all his character was made for. He starts off as greedy as well, usually asking for payment for helping locate portals but that also changes later. He's a well-written character in my opinion.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Kruukk The problem is that Steven jay Blum we think is miscast, High pitch roles is not what I think of when I think wolverin from Xmen. I think Liam Obrien can do a better gollum voice.

[@talgordin6966]

I legit wish he never existed. He was so cringeworthy 😭

[@RedPandaBearGaming]

Time for us W.I.T C.H fans to rise up!!!!!!

[@khwezi9576]

YEEEEESSSS

[@rycroftphilostratem3536]

*ASSEMBLE WITCHERS!!!!!*

[@littlewitchling535]

*GUARDIANS UNITE*

[@GameOfSims3668]

Yes!!!

[@variableparagraph]

FINALLY!!!

[@witchywoman2008]

As someone who has read all 139 issues (plus the specials and stuff) as well as having the show as my favourite series ever, I am SO EXCITED to watch this. I’m 5 minutes in and I’m already so happy.

[@sosygmingmc5030]

The fact that original creators were no longer involved in the comics, is it still good?

[@lauragoreni3020]

@@sosygmingmc5030 no, it went downhill after the original creators left. But you should read the first 30/40ish issues. They were beyond epic, I re-read them as an adult and they're still better than a lot of nowadays' media.

[@sosygmingmc5030]

@@lauragoreni3020 So you say I shouldn't continue after those issues? I wanna remember this story as one of the best there is and I don't wanna be disappointed 😅 I've heard the 3rd arc is the by far the best.

[@witchywoman2008]

@@sosygmingmc5030 yeah I’m not really a fan of anything after arc 6. But I still read them out of dedication haha

[@sosygmingmc5030]

@@witchywoman2008 Isn't wrap up even worth it?

[@Chili2666]

I never usually comment on videos, but here I had to. THANK YOU for finally acknowledging my literal childhood. 🥺 noone ever seems to know/remember this gem of a show/comics. You're amazing.

[@variableparagraph]

I feel the same!! It feels so great to see so many people of my kind in the same comment section!

[@Shiymi]

Man, this is a hit of nostalgia... I never was able to watch the animation, but I grew up with the comics. Taranee was the best girl

[@valekstormhowl4999]

Mlp friendship is magic proves that guys will absolutely love shows that are female focused.

[@valekstormhowl4999]

@Will N oh i live both of them with all my heart i was just pointing a recent highly successful show that was created and catered to young girls yet had a very big male fan base as well.

[@valekstormhowl4999]

@Will N it's a shame I've heard of winx club prior to this channel. I haven't watched it yet but i definitely want to give it a shot since i am a fellow brony and have sadly alot of cartoons from the 2000s

[@valekstormhowl4999]

@Will N thnx alot I'll give it a whirl

[@ToaArcan]

Ironically, in the case of MLP, the _extreme_ girliness and being obviously intended for a _much younger crowd_ (albeit with the standard jokes and dialogue that parents would appreciate while watching with their kids) was something that worked in its favour, because the adult male fandom was largely started by people watching it _ironically_ on 4chan, where the joke was "We're the cesspool of the Internet and we're openly terrible people, isn't it funny that we like the friendship show?" Then it became unironic because even being a channer asshole doesn't make you immune to good writing. At least everyone that I've seen says the writing is good, I never got into it myself. I just watched the Jenny Nicholson video. "Girly stuff" aimed at older audiences with darker themes (like WITCH) would probably struggle to cultivate the same ironic following that was so key to MLP's explosion of popularity. Also they're not likely to be as merch-driven, we can't ignore the "Hasbro will gladly take an adult male audience with more disposable income, that's where the lion's share of their Transformers money comes from" factor in this. Other kids' shows have been cancelled for having the "wrong audience." Also, to the people bringing up DC stuff, the point here is "Boys will watch female-led shows aimed at a female target audience", not "Boys will like prominent female characters in male-led shows with a male target audience". Those are very different things.

[@valekstormhowl4999]

@@ToaArcan you know whats amazing about what you just said? That's almost exactly how i got into the show. My best frirnd was staying iver at my house back in 2012 and we were scrolling through netflix when we saw mlp. I said as a joke we should watch it, he said sure why not lets grab some alcohol and watch it. He only watched the first episode, but i marathoned the ehole first season in 2 days and got hooked onbthe show.

[@cup_noodl]

From perspective of someone growing as gingerhead - besides the color being very eyecatching, since this is a kids show, i think another reason could be to uplift them with the bullying they may experience(per example ive heard often that my hair is diarrhea color). The reason I think it may be like that is that both shows have great representation and probably also helped empower POC youth too, it kind of feels like creators of both Winx and WITCH made sure to include many archetypes prone to bullying in our world in the main cast, let it be based on genetics, upbringing or character traits. I think the shows actually helped me embrace first my red undertones and then eventually also even the silver(since i started going grey since i was like 13), I didn't feel being unique was bad and I can find my place and meaning regardless. I'm pretty sure, aware of that or not, a lot of us who followed the shows can relate to that feeling.

[@marinettemasyrenaud8742]

True, flora from winx makes me appreciate myself more even though I wish her powers had more to it. Still, she was my favourite

[@flamingfox127]

so fun story: my mom had a doll of Taranee all throughout my childhood and I never knew who she was until I saw this video

[@Stephneechan]

I only ever knew of the WITCH comics, i've never seen the cartoon. Probably also cause disney channel wasn't a thing where i grew up until way later. And I never saw Hay-Lin's outfit in the comics as "sexualized"... or any of their outfits for that matter.

[@Catbug11]

Watched a tiny bit of the show on KZbin, was obsessed with the theme song, but I mostly knew about W.I.T.C.H due to some books in my schools library in 5th grade. So good. It’d be interesting to have a revamped show

[@harriyanna]

ever since i spent my december rewatching the series, i been obsessed with it. it's honestly one of my favorite show. it deserves so much more.

[@smontherun1430]

This show is so underrated while the people who actually know this show doesn't give much of attention to Irma. She had a beautiful arc, my favorite was the time she met a sea spirit and set it free.

[@aliceangel7644]

Not to mention a badass intro song 😎👌

[@kristofgriffin384]

3:13 Did anybody else notice that Will's wallpaper has the Hoenn region starters on it?

[@szwniki]

god, the memories... as a kid, me and my girl friends always role played as the girls outside on the school's grounds between classes. i was always cornelia, hahaha. i was a huge fan of the comics too but my family wasn't that rich to buy me each magazines so i usually just read a few ones by borrowing my friend's copy 😅 i loved these girls with my whole heart! w.i.t.c.h, totally spies and winx club were my top 3 shows so i always get emotional when i see a video made about them 😭💛 totally loved this video, you did a fantastic job!!!

[@akosicvy]

i read more comics than watched the show because for some reason w.i.t.c.h. aired in my country at a horrible time slot. i had tons of w.i.t.c.h. comics that my mom bought me and also tinkerbell comics as well. as a child, i was a sucker for elemental magic, even up to this day, so this was definitely right up my alley. the art in the comics were good as well. i remember cornelia and hay lin were my faves.

[@liana3886]

I’m one of the people who actually read the comic version for many years, collecting more than 100 of them... I didn’t know that I was the minority here 🥺

[@m.p.9931]

Same, have all the comics and still check the stores if there are new ones 🤣

[@serenagoddi3782]

We're not a minority at all. The comic was waaay more popular than the show

[@gabsy_ferreira]

I feel this ;-;

[@AlekPixi]

Same, except I got rid of my comics as a teen and I regret it soooo much now!!!

[@Monie71793]

@@serenagoddi3782 Not in the US.

[@ayal92]

If there was a remake I'd like something that took the best of both the comic and the cartoon and added some character exploration like the Taranee's race issues you mentioned in the video or fix the ableism in the Arkhanta arc. I'd especially keep Comic Will and Susan's relationship, as someone who read the comics as a teen, it reminded so much of my relationship with my own mother. I can appreciate the complexity of the parental relationships in the comics even more as an adult. That was some deep stuff. Also, Orube never got animated and that's a crime. And as someone who prefers the comic over the cartoon in almost everything, I'm surprised you think Cartoon Ellyon had a lack of introduction. Cartoon Ellyon shows up in several episodes before we find out she is Phobos's sister and later episodes with Cedric getting closer to her and the girls being completely unaware and accidentally alienating her are genuinely tense, we know what's going to happen and can do nothing to stop it. We only know Comic Ellyon for less than a chapter and she goes from friend to merciless antagonist in the spam of an evening. We don't even know what Cedric told her, yet she goes farther than Cartoon Ellyon ever did in spite of the latter having more build-up. Cartoon Ellyon's naivety can be annoying but it's more coherent than Comic Ellyon going from psychologically torturing Taranee for a week and try to kill the girls several times with a smile on her face to "good girl manipulated by her evil brother".

[@Lissa2355]

RIGHT?!?!? I remember HATING Ellyon when I was a child because I couldn't understand doing that to her friends (especially Cornelia). The only reason I begun to like her was because of a special edition completely about her life in Meridian; it was never because she had a redemption ark, I liked her because of the world she introduced in that single comic and how she interacted with it

[@lou-lou8308]

Little 10 years old me was obsessed with the comics and the series! I am so glad somebody finally talks about w.i.t.c.h!

[@SatinFoxx]

Someone mentioned you in the comments of Negative Legend, and after watching a few videos I 100% agree that you two would make an AMAZING colab

[@RichardG20]

You should totally cover Ever After High if you get the chance.

[@halima974]

Omggggg yesss I was obsessed

[@Monie71793]

Yeah. They also deserved better. 😩🥰

[@holdontillmay.]

YESSSS I loved ever after high

[@beans6765]

I miss it :( the character designs were simply gorgeous!

[@leohino9211]

Yes

[@vm141789]

I remember being a kid at my aunt's house, and this show would sometimes come on. As a young boy, I was embarrassed that I was watching it and even enjoying it. I still love the theme song.

[@michaelwhitmire9015]

Agreed and witch is better still stand by it

[@rdsasuke1]

It was a badass show.

[@ElizaGWR]

W.I.T.C.H. is one of those shows that helped create the Greg Weisman Curse Theory. You see every show that Greg Weisman worked on as a producer from Gargoyles to Young Justice only lasted two seasons (Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles is a separate show from Gargoyles). This includes Gargoyles, W.I.T.C.H., Spectacular Spider-Man, and Young Justice. The show that is said to have broken that is Star Wars Rebels which lasted for four years... yet funnily enough Weisman was only a producer on it for two years. Many jokingly said that's why he gave Young Justice season 2 a subtitle so that way the universe would think it was a different series and thus wouldn't be cancelled. Also with the return of Young Justice many are wondering if the second season of its return will be its last or if Greg Weisman only getting two years of a show each time he runs one will continue.

[@ma.2089]

That is one terrifying curse

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

Considering how HBO Max has been very quiet about Young Justice (in comparison to Harley Quinn), I'm not too optimistic for another YJ season.

[@pizzaroles9064]

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 the fourth season has like half the episodes finished or in post production, I doubt there's much to worry about it

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

@@pizzaroles9064 I'm aware, but I was thinking about any more seasons after Phantoms. I just don't get the feeling that HBO Max promotes or cares about YJ at all, especially in comparison to Harley Quinn, even though the latter's season is still being worked on.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 Every show that Gregwisman is involved with get canceled over and over Why??????????

[@TimeturnerJ]

I was obsessed with the W.I.T.C.H. comics, magazines and books when I was younger. To be honest, I didn't even _know_ that there was a cartoon until a few years ago - I'm not sure if it was even translated into my language? It just wasn't on my radar at all when I was a kid, I never saw it. But the comic/magazine storylines went on for ages and were pretty mature at times, which I appreciated back then because it felt like the writers weren't trying to talk down to me. It was nice to have the W.I.T.C.H. grow up alongside me and get older and wiser together with me. There was just SO MUCH that happened in those magazines and comics, you have no idea! They were great! Also, Hay Lin is the best. Looking back, I think she was one of the first blorbos I ever had. xD Or maybe crushes. A bit of both, perhaps. I was so invested in her.

[@slevinchannel7589]

Why do we never get remaks that improve on these old Shows??

[@preciouscarait6352]

The comics was my childhood! I think i reached about chapters 80-90 of the comics. I also watched the first season of the animated series, but never knew there was a second. Thank you for talking about this.

[@sophie_futo]

When I was little I think in Hungary Witch was actually more popular than Winx. I never knew why it ended. Thank you for your video!

[@lokiswife1407]

YES! I’ve been waiting for this for forever. W.I.T.C.H. is what introduced me to magical girl stories and it’s still my fave. I love how you said the driving force behind W.I.T.C.H. should have been women and marginalized creators, especially considering it was three women who created the series but oh well…Disney. Also a few years ago one of the showrunners, Greg Weisman, went on reddit to answer fan questions and interestingly he said that he wanted to explore a more romantic relationship between Nerissa and Cassidy but of course Disney being cowards never allowed that. He said that he would love to see the show continue and explore those things, he is even open to Cornelia and Irma getting together because fans really seem to want this ship to happen. And may I say I stan. Although I would love for the OG show to pick up where it left off I know that wouldn't be so great. The smartest thing to do is get people who worked on the comics and the show to create something new that satisfies both the comic book fans and the show fans. Greg also said that no, Winx Club’s ‘competition’ was not the reason why W.I.T.C.H. got cancelled, it was because of lack of proper management and genuine interest from Disney. Where Winx Club had Rainbow championing behind it without even having Disney’s resources, Disney treated W.I.T.C.H. like shit and like you said stirred away from calling it a girl’s show. I mean they could have put it on Disney Channel, like the biggest kids’ channel in the world and given it more proper marketing with a distinct identity but nooooo. Funnily enough I used to hate Winx Club because I thought it was the reason W.I.T.C.H. got cancelled and was getting the attention W.I.T.C.H. deserved (and honestly W.I.T.C.H. was the one who deserved 8 seasons not Winx, Winx had a clear arc that should have ended after the first movie or even S4 before Nickelodeon had time to get its filthy, greedy hands on it) but then I watched the first episode and became OBSESSED with both shows. I was the weird kid who couldn’t pick a side and was getting called a traitor lol. I think both shows had their strengths and weaknesses (mainly sexualizing the girls to no end, yikes) but when it comes to storytelling and world building, besides setting aesthetics, I will always choose W.I.T.C.H. (maybe it’s just me being biased). For me Winx just stopped making sense after S4 or even before that in terms of rules of world building (like how did Roxy get Believix if she didn’t have magic Winx? Or why did they abandon Enchantix even though it was supposed to be the last and most powerful fairy form? Obviously Nick is largely at fault for messing everything up). W.I.T.C.H. dealt with more serious issues like tyrannical governments and practical slavery of its people, corrupt governing of other dimensions, teenage depression and anxiety, body issues (which Winx had a slight problem with) etc. Not to say Winx didn’t engage with serious topics but it was bubblier, in my opinion. Which is why if I were to sit down and chill while watching something, I would pick Winx, it was more light-hearted and fun. Whereas as W.I.T.C.H. was sometimes really dark, even for me, and was taking itself a bit too seriously. So yes, I love both of them and we should stop pitting strong women against each other. Clearly both shows resonated with people in different ways but unfortunately got grossly mishandled after a while and crashed and burned. When it comes to picking between show W.I.T.C.H and comic book W.I.T.C.H. I would choose the show because I’m more of a plot-driven viewer and the comics were more character driven but again I could be biased. I think I prefer the show dynamic between the girls mostly because of the character changes you mentioned like Irma being a sassy queen. So, in conclusion, yes it deserved better and if people had just given it a chance it could have become the show we all wanted. I think the comic book fans were sometimes a bit too critical, not realizing it was supposed to be a tv adaptation and as such some arcs would not work as well as they did in the comics. Plus, the show creators just not giving a damn. I will die bitter but before that I shall keep harassing Disney+ until they revive it. Or if Netflix wants to they can stop funding bs like Fate or…Tall Girl 2 *facepalm* and do something actually worthwhile.

[@BrokenDarkFire]

I didn’t know that the show runners considered exploring a Nerissa/Cassidy relationship! I got that vibe in the comics, too, even though I didn’t even know wlw existed yet. I would’ve absolutely died of joy if that had happened in show!

[@cyberhero5559]

The reason why roxy gained believix was because she’s an earth fairy and believix is an earth fairy form.

[@artemismoore4176]

@@BrokenDarkFire I don't know, considering that Nerissa had killed Cassidy for the Heart in the end... yikes

[@tamarleahh.2150]

@@BrokenDarkFire I wonder why you got that vibe because when I read the comics I didn't see that at all. Also I think it's fine when characters betray each other's friendships. Idk just my opinion.

[@orangeslash1667]

I think the reason Disney stoped caring is because they bought Pixar, Marvel, and Star Wars, kinda hard to focus on artistic vision when that's the case.

[@MDrama22]

Thank you so much for covering W.I.T.C.H.! Certainly one of the most underrated shows in my opinion. No pressure. But would you consider doing more WITCH videos in the future? Such as since you love Season 2-a gush fest on it? Also idk why but Matt Olson is one of the few cis male characters in media I actually love. haha

[@willvandom5105]

matt best boy

[@sonya3386]

Omg yes Matt is one of my favorite male characters of all time and I loved how he wasn't just "Will's boyfriend" (though I love their relationship too!) but how we also got to see his friendships with the other girls, like how he likes babysitting Lilian or when he and Irma tried to save the others from the Horn of Hypnos or during one of the episodes when he knocked Hay Lin out of the way during a battle.

[@fermintenava5911]

Digital Bloodlines is currently making several more videos to the franchise.

[@LuckyCharmKitty]

We got the W.I.T.C.H. comic books from the Scholastic book fairs. I bought the rest at an anime convention. I have an Irma toy from a McDonalds happy meal too. I sometimes watched the show on Jetix but mostly watched it on youtube. Those were the gold old days

[@marinettemasyrenaud8742]

Sigh, remember it when I was younger and now getting into getting the books and jewellry if o could

[@late_prince8945]

It's not like Will got the invisible power, it's more like help from the heart, in the comic heart helps them a lot.

[@AnInkStick]

Actually they all could…but Will was the first to find out.

[@spencermalley10]

W.I.T.C.H is underrated. It had Greg Weisman as showrunner in it's second season along with several other writers who'd later join him on Young Justice.

[@yunogasai1338]

Things make so much sense now. I was wondering about that feeling I got watching young justice. It gives off similar vibes to W.I.T.C.H.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@yunogasai1338 He also did the spectacular Spiderman.

[@yunogasai1338]

@@orangeslash1667 Awesome! That's a great show as well.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@yunogasai1338 Fun Fact: Weisman admitted to not liking Blunk😣, yet he still found away to have him kinda serve a purpose.

[@yunogasai1338]

@@orangeslash1667 At least he did serve some purpose for a bit. I just wish W.I.T.C.H. and other shows like it were easier to get physical copies of. Maybe one day we'll get another show.(one can hope). I wouldn't mind a cartoon for the comic nightschool as well.

[@paolosardi9734]

As an italian boy who grew up with WITCH, I'm so happy to have found this video

[@loturzelrestaurant]

The Winx Club Life Action Show is a Disgrace on 'Last Airbender'-Level. On 'Mulan 2020'-Level. You know what Level i mean... you know...

[@Mumblejumby]

"Why did all the redheads became protagonists in the 2000s?" Sorcery 😏

[@alisondilaurentis2566]

Thanks for making this. W.I.T.C.H is a classic, I LOVE videos on it!

[@moarika7378]

i think about this show a lot, like aesthetically, it amazed me as a child and probably impacted my style growing up 😭

[@harmonetheanimationaddict4419]

I love that the girls all wore different outfits.

[@Iaurenz]

i loved this show, thank you for covering it because i feel like a lot of people have forgotten about w.i.t.c.h.

[@Glanzfellchen]

Im so glad that I had this video in my recommendations. The W.i.t.c.h comic were a big part of my childhood and inspired parts of who I am today and I still feel much tenderness towards them. The tv show, which I have not watcned completely, tried to copy the idea and overall design, without understanding the feelings, atmosphere and deep meaning behind it, in my opinion. The way you described the perks of the show, actually made me feel a little more sympathetic towards it. I really am glad I watched your video. Yay!

[@skyew.3939]

We had the book at our primary school and that was my only exposure to W.I.T.C.H. and yet it captivated me and has existed , rent free , in my head since then

[@teahmonaghan]

This show was literally the only thing that got me through my parent's divorce at the time. Also thank god you bought up how creepy and predatory the show made cedric's interactions with ellyon. Like, oof. When i re-watched the show as an adult i remeber just sitting there and being like... "how the fuck did disney green light this?" This is not how i remember this arc.

[@ayal92]

It's super creepy but makes for a good cautionary tale. And from a storytelling perspective, it was necessary to explain why Ellyon would believe this guy over her parents and friends.

[@teahmonaghan]

@@ayal92 oh i definately agree

[@orangeslash1667]

@@teahmonaghan Will's hatred her new father is also a nice touch!

[@chvv7776]

I loved W. I. T. C. H comics, they are literally my entire childhood

[@sharisad9730]

I loved the comics. Dramatic young me loved the tragedy of turning caleb into a flower

[@yunogasai1338]

I'm finally experiencing the comics without awkward censorship. I'm way behind on the U.S. releases. I'm in the middle of part 4 so it's nice knowing there are about 14 parts total.

[@cui8789]

Re: Caleb's casual sexism. I think it makes sense when you consider that Phobos is the rule of Meridian at this time so this type of attitude is so common that even those opposing him have it ingrained in them to some degree.

[@Kruukk]

Ugh, what? Meridian is a medival-based world and men always were pushed to be warriors or join in army. How many women do you know that are in military? Caleb's sentence has nothing to do with sexism.

[@b.h.4249]

@@Kruukk That's not the only sexist thing he says, though. He often said things like "You fight well.. for a girl." Such comments often popped and made me dislike him in the first episodes.

[@muzzycosmos9400]

Honestly,his sexism would have make sense if it was against men. He lives in a mathriarc land, governed by an evil king, dude😆😆

[@Kruukk]

@@b.h.4249 As I said, girls rarely fight. Especially in medieval tiems which the Meridian is based on so his comment is the reflection of the reality of that time. That's not sexism.

[@b.h.4249]

@@Kruukk That doesn't mean that these comments were necessary, the scenes would have worked without them just fine. Metamoor is actually has a matriarchy, so sexism doesn't make much sense.

[@Milattina]

I'm glad to see so many videos come up in recent times about this show. I love it and I regret not finishing the comics. I loved Winx for the pretty pretty transformations but W.I.T.C.H. was my jam. I rewatched the 2 seasons so many times in my younger days.

[@FeraNelia]

This is my first time hearing about the drama behind the comic, and it explains EVERYTHING, oh boy. Back then as a teen I already noticed the severe drop in quality with the Ragorlang arc (with the plot getting lost under trivial teenage drama even for full issues) and dropped the series, and when I later read the rest of the comic, the 'reboot' with the new power arc was absolutely horrendous, ooohhh boy! It's as if they suddenly got a whole new crew of writers and changed almost everythig they could from dropping previous plot lines to changing characters completely *coughMattcough*. I was heartbroken, because WITCH was my CHILDHOOD (the comics were HUGE in Europe back then), and even now I re-read my comics (arcs 1-5) every year simply because the art is so goooood. It deserved better future. Finally hearing explanation and knowing that the eventual decline in quality indeed was because of core members leaving makes my soul rest better, thank you.

[@FeraNelia]

Also it's bit funny to hear those people claiming WITCH wasn't as feminine, when the comics at least were embracing feminity all the time. Aside from the comic itself there were a lot of girly tips, guides, topics, fashion, tests; lot of stuff for young girls. The comics were pretty and sparkly and magical and completely aimed at young girls, mostly pre-teens.

[@raffygarnica7995]

God, I hope this series gets picked up again and be done justice. It was a great show back then.