Unifi UDM Pro Max is HERE... but who is it for?

[@DPCTechnology]

Review software was Alpha, but should be in Early Release at time of product unveiling, I will update this post as Firmware goes from Alpha>EA>Full Release. This is needed for full hot swap failover.

[@curtisbracksieck]

Does the UDM Pro Max support LAG?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Great video, thanks for the mention. :)

[@DPCTechnology]

Thanks Tom!

[@Vusseyv881]

I’m putting this in my house, does anyone else over spec their gear?

[@DPCTechnology]

Always.. LOL.. It's awesome!

[@xephael3485]

4:00 how does the second UDM take over powering the SFP+/WAN on the primary device if it smokes, has WAN failure, or loses power? Doesn't seem like real high-availability.

[@mvp_kryptonite]

Dream machine has been in the gym! Nice

[@christophereric1407]

The brief clip of Randy and Mr. Laney has me as your latest fan and subscriber. I’m new to security tech and look forward to future videos.

[@DPCTechnology]

Welcome aboard!

[@marcveranda6972]

Nice to have a backup drive for protect, I maxed my udm pro out with protect cameras.

[@DPCTechnology]

Redundancy is nice..

[@warnbrant]

Are those fan cooled? Would be great to know if they are silent in a home environment. I believe previous models were rather noisy when adding a hard drive.

[@DPCTechnology]

@@warnbrant they are near silent, fine for home environment

[@davidhalliday7776]

Here is the thing. Unifi needs to allow IPS/IDS on some VLANS only. VLAN Office -> Internet IPS/IDS enables VLAN DMZ -> Internet IPS/IDS disabled VLAN DMZ -> VLAN SERVICE Internal traffic IPS/IDS disabled VLAN SERVICE -> VLAN DATABASE Internet traffic IPS/IDS disabled This would allow for 10Gb internet connectivity for the servers but enforce IPS/IDS for the users.

[@kristopherleslie8343]

I think that makes a lot of sense actually

[@headlibrarian1996]

If you aren’t running IDS/IPS is there much reason to get the Max?

[@DPCTechnology]

No, unless u need redundancy for ur Protect recordings.

[@PersonSuit]

How was the fan noise under load? I have a UDM: SE that run silent. This is great as it is in the same room I work in. Is the Pro Max audible?

[@DPCTechnology]

@@PersonSuit silent too

[@PersonSuit]

@@DPCTechnology Awesome, thank you for the reply. Love your content, always very informative and has help with quite a few purchases over the years.

[@DPCTechnology]

@PersonSuit thanks for the kind feedback!

[@area51xi]

The fiber coming into my house is 5 gb. Is this not going to be able to take advantage of that?

[@DPCTechnology]

Looks like the EFG for you!

[@area51xi]

Actually looks like the UDM pro and SE both have SFP+ 10gb wan ports

[@DPCTechnology]

@@area51xi so does the max.. I was just playing! But 5g internet must be amazing!

[@area51xi]

@@DPCTechnology Haha thought you were serious. I wouldn't know what 5g feels like as my home was built with Cat5. Im rewiring the house with Cat6A soon.

[@DPCTechnology]

@@area51xi you might want to test your cat5 with a 2.5 gig or a 10 gig device. My house is all wired with cat5e and I was able to get 10 GB per second speeds with my existing cable..

[@cmiguez]

Hello. how are you? I have a question regarding this device versus a USG Pro 4. In the USG Pro 4, LAN ports 1 and 2 are independent ports, and I can configure an independent segment for each of them (each one on VLAN 1). Is this possible with this new line of devices? I purchased a UCG Ultra, and it cannot do this. The UniFiOS only allows creating VLANs, meaning it only has one network on VLAN 1 for the whole device. Which device would allow me to do everything I need? Thanks. Best regards.

[@kristopherleslie8343]

Normally you would separate the traffic with vlans preferably on the switch, but I think people still don't like how UBNT handles L3. So yea you basically can do it all from the router itself but know its a slight performance hit.

[@kristopherleslie8343]

I'd keep the UBNT devices on VLAN1 for management (guess that's best practice, not 100% sure, but makes auto detection a breeze) and then put everything else on different vlans.

[@brianswails7276]

With this device. Would i also need a UNVR? I plan on adding 8 4K cameras from UniFi via the 48 port enterprise switch but I don’t want my UDM pro max to hit any issues with the overall quality of my network because it would be doing more work

[@bigstingman]

Can you run shadow mode with a UDMPMax as the main device with the slave being a regular UDMP? Also, wish they had upgraded the CPU to handle true 10 gbps IDP/IDS.

[@DPCTechnology]

You cannot but you will be able to run two udms or two udmse .. when they all get 4.0 u will be able to do it to any 2 similar units.

[@ukwaffles4500]

We have some UDM-Pro's out there at clients who like them and this does seem a decent jump for the larger clients we deal with, the new HA mode seems really nice and looks like it will be nicer than the sonicwalls I am dealing with and the lack there of stateful HA due to no license for it...

[@DPCTechnology]

I think the UI is so much better for both the MSP and End User.. We are still a SonicWall shop but maybe not for long....

[@kristopherleslie8343]

@@DPCTechnology hopefully you make the switch, what keeps you using Sonic Wall? I did it for about 2-3 years and never turned back.

[@cassinovashalo]

Great review.

[@DPCTechnology]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@bentheguru4986]

Oooops, WAN speeds mixed up Clay. The SE was able to 2.5Gbps on WAN-1 (Port 9) and 1Gbps on WAN2 (Port 8). The UDM Pro was same but just 1Gbps on ports 8 and 9. Swapping drives with Protect might see the other drives swapped in wiped and formatted. Good to see they finally getting serious again. I checked out the calculator, claims to handle up to 150 WAP's so double the UDM-Pro and SE. Still was hoping for bigger CPU though.

[@DPCTechnology]

Good stuff, thanks for posting!

[@kristopherleslie8343]

it's slightly bigger but I agree would like just a notch more power so we can have more security features running 24/7

[@sfi_consulting5666]

I was hoping that it could handle quite a bit more cameras than the Pro/SE but according to online tool it doesn’t really. Just a couple extra. Any thoughts? It’s touting double performance which in my mind puts this closer to a UNVR but seems to fall quite a bit short of that scouting to calculator.

[@DPCTechnology]

Yeah, the protect install is a little strange to me, most of my clients that need the horse power would just use an NVR Pro the same as not needing POE, 2.5gbE etc... I think it may be that they just want 2 dives in the chassis design moving forward.. Or their target has tons of WAPs and other devices but just a few cameras.. Dunno..

[@XxCrawdadCraigxX]

I thought the processing power was equivalent to the UDM Pro SE? Good video

[@DPCTechnology]

It's actually a pretty good bump in processor and 2x ram and onboard storage.

[@jeffrbake]

Smaller network, but I just bought a UDM SE about 4 days ago. I have POE switching and APs already as well. Since I am still within the return window, would it be worth upgrading to the UDM Pro Max right now before I get any further in my network setup?

[@DPCTechnology]

Unless u have a lot of devices, want hot failover or need drive redundancy, I wouldn't I think the UDMSE is perfect for most users and almost all home users.

[@jeffrbake]

@@DPCTechnology Great, thanks for the reply. Gotta be honest, if it had etherlighitng, I would have done it haha. Its totally unnecessary, but it looks cool.

[@DPCTechnology]

@@jeffrbake LOL, Me too ;P.. Also on the failover, you will be able to do it in the SE as well when the firmware drops..

[@jeffrbake]

@@DPCTechnology perfect. I was looking around. Is it possible to use any shared network drive for protect? IE a windows shared drive?

[@smokuevo]

My se delivered today lol 😆

[@andrewenglish3810]

I wonder if the Max helps fix the PPPoE issue where people cannot get close to their max speed once they go over 1.5GbE.

[@lukassimko905]

Hi, could you tell us what the camera limit is on the pro max vs SE? Thanks

[@DPCTechnology]

Yes, camera limit on UDM Pro Max is - 15 x 4K 25 x 2K 50 x HD

[@celts88-78]

Unless I'm missing something I thought the POE capabilities has been dropped which came with the original UDMP

[@DPCTechnology]

That is correct, the UDMP and the UDMPMax do not have PoE, the UDMSE does. The thought on the Max is that is for larger installs which will have more PoE switching offboard.

[@curtisbracksieck]

Does the UDM Pro Max support LAG?

[@LordSaliss]

I wish I had more processing power at home. It isn't really about how many network devices I can connect, but more so the CPU needs a better upgrade to allow more WAN IPS throughput with all the other rules and filtering going on. Based on advertised UDM-SE throughput of 3.5gbps and getting a real world 2.5gbps down due to all the security features, I would bet this device and its "5gbps" advertised speed I bet it will also get closer to 3.5-4gbps, which really isn't enough for its price point and means this isn't capable of being used on the newer 5gb, 8gb, and 10gb ISP plans that have been coming out across the US the past year and moving forward. They really should have gone with a newer generation processor than one that is 12 years old, and made this 10gb IPS capable. They should have used at least an A72, or more preferably an A73 CPU core design. The A73 was the most powerful (but still old now) architecture ARM released that is on the exact same instruction architecture as the A57, so would be nearly drop in compatible without having to modify underlying software code. Edit: They could have gone with something like a Mediatek MT8183 CPU, which is used in low end Chromebooks that retail for two hundred and fifty dollars. That would mean hardware wise, Ubiquiti should be able to make a profit on a gateway based around it that sells for anything more than three hundred - three fifty. And since it would likely be sold for eight hundred instead, that would be huge profit for them and a massive jump in performance for the end user (roughly 2x what the UDM Pro Max can do).

[@DPCTechnology]

Thanks for the well thought out post. A lot of really good info in there.. I think it's always a balancing act with these manufacturers of what they think people want and are willing to pay for..

[@Adriatic]

STOP WITH THE SURPRISED FACE THUMBNAILS

[@eskalton4399]

Making a video for a product you didn’t have yet ….. SPECULATION !!!! Nothing new from UDM pro/SE just a second tray for the HDD same performance for internet traffic and no Poe !!!

[@DPCTechnology]

I've had two units for the last month or so.

[@21Kingshill]

Did you watch and listen to the video at all?

[@chadhowell1328]

Look, someone who commented without actually watching the video, or at least didn’t pay attention at all. He literally says he got two units early in the first 20 seconds of the video.

[@coryseaward975]

I need this for my bathroom