Afghanistan's Controversial Woodland Camouflage Pattern: Spec4ce Afghan Forest | Uniform History

We're in for a doozy of red tape, government inquiries, testimonials and a lot of bureaucracy with this one as we dive into the strange tale surrounding the adoption of The Afghan National Army's Spec4ce Forest digital camouflage pattern.
Hyperstealth's write up on Spec4ce: www.hyperstealth.com/spec4ce/
SIGAR page with report at bottom: www.sigar.mil/interactive-reports/ana-uniform-procurement/index.html
Hyperstealth's response: www.hyperstealth.com/Afghanistan-Spec4ce-Forest-camouflage.pdf
John Sopko's Testimony: kzbin.info/www/bejne/en3FmX-JZs-qZ80
Music by: www.juliancrowhurst.com/

[@pinecone1113]

If you actually look at the video, the camo blends in fine. Afghanistan is not just one big desert.

[@ChubbsterBrown]

Kinda why US uses OCP and MARPAT

[@2prize]

yeah there are also poppy fields we need to prop up

[@kolinmartz]

Trevak D'hal it’s kinda moot if you ask me. The whole point of camouflage is to blend in with your surrounding.

[@mg-di5zd]

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[@nickrollstuhlfahrerson8659]

MegaAlpakka Camouflage isn’t just used to conceal a soldier, but to also to make them stand out from their enemies soldiers. Friendly fire is a very real thing, and a uniforms camouflage doesn’t make you invisible. But a camouflage is one of the easiest things a soldier can identify another soldier from.

[@cammobunker]

The real irony of this story is that while the Afghans were getting fancy new uniforms in an effective pattern, the US Army was using the UCP, 'Useless Camouflage Pattern". UCP only went out of service this year.

[@Warriorbob-im5py]

ross lundberg the us army hasn’t used UCP in country since 2011 or 12. When we deployed we were issued the OCP acu and began wearing it stateside as a transitional uniform until the new uniform was rolled out, which I ets’d before I received it.

[@G1NZOU]

@@Warriorbob-im5py OCP was only issued in 2015 my dude. You're thinking of OEF-CP, which was commercial MultiCam (compared to OCP which is Scorpion W2, a redesigned early trial version of MultiCam). OEF-CP was an urgent purchase for Afghanistan, only for deploying troops, the rest of the folks stateside continued to wear UCP until they were issued OEF-CP for deployment or until OCP was finally chosen to officially replace UCP. UCP was discontinued for wear in October 2019 but still remains in some specialist gear like extreme cold weather gear.

[@junyisang8672]

Aye who remembers the UCP-Deltas that were floating around 2006-2009?

[@Nbdestryer]

@@junyisang8672 Yeah, instead of the actual UCP they should've originally created something like UCP-Delta (with some green as well) for woodland/dark colored environments, while taking the actual UCP and making it more tan-dominant for arid regions. But i'm guessing they didn't follow up UCP-Delta because they figured Multicam/OCP would be more effective anyway so why bother putting in the R&D to make a new pattern when a better option already exists

[@yetanother11x97]

And I’m over here getting issued UCP gear in the current year

[@shimavitz47]

Us government wasting money to determin if they wasted money 10 years ago?

[@s0nnyburnett]

Someone has to make someone else look bad no matter how long ago it happened.

[@merryquasar6118]

@@s0nnyburnett there is a reason why we have trillions for the military lmfao

[@moistjohn]

spending billions idling all our humvees 24/7 among other shit, but man 90 mil on uniforms in order to distinguish talib and gov forces is the problem

[@merryquasar6118]

@@moistjohn they dont armor up them to, if you can weld then you are a god

[@shimavitz47]

@jeremy Lyons yeah, then you ask how much is in legal fees 😂

[@ReverendMeat51]

People who don't live in the desert I think don't realize that most deserts don't look like the sahara and in fact have quite a shit ton of green.

[@Seth9809]

I live in Arizona, half the state is literally Pine trees and the other half is grey bushes on a tan sandy landscape, no green. The only green in this area is trees way up north, or in the cities where we have five million lawns.

[@ReverendMeat51]

@@Seth9809 I live in Tucson. There's a lot of green.

[@Seth9809]

@@ReverendMeat51 Tucson doesn't count, it's an area with massive irrigation projects, plumbing, and plants that don't grow natively in the area, same as Phoenix. I've been to the outskirts for a quinceañera and I drive through the countryside twice a year to see Flagstaff or Prescott; nature of this whole half or 2/3rds of the state is just dust, dried up bushes, rocks, and tumbleweed.

[@ReverendMeat51]

@@Seth9809 So when we drive out to the desert to go shooting you're telling me all the trees and bushes aren't native and exist because of massive irrigation projects?

[@Rogue_Nine416]

@@Seth9809 I lived in southern Arizona, San Tan Valley and in Mesa, there is PLENTY of greenery. Not in the form of grass but in shrubs or small trees. If you really think it's a product of irrigation then tell that to areas like San Tan.

[@fmatson]

The possibility that the ANA could have been wearing All Over Brush while the US Army was in UCP is painfully ironic.

[@matthewpham9525]

Spec4ce sounds like a Roblox username created by an 8 year old

[@benjaminwehmer8441]

The entire HyperStealth company sounds like a username made by an 8 yo

[@squishy2229]

True lol, gives off the same vibes as L0RD_SQUISHY

[@Redditaurus]

Not rly

[@manillametro9952]

imo it sounds like a name by either someone who is trying to be cool, or an actually cool person who is a roblox veteran

[@lencao4515]

10:32 "we wasted 28 million of taxpayers' money in the name of fashion" ABU tigerstripe and NWU: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[@Riceball01]

I'd argue that there was a valid reasoning behind the NWU I pattern, whether it actually worked at hiding paint, dirt, and grease stains as advertised is another matter entirely. But, to me, idea was sound.

[@ReverendMeat51]

ABU tigerstripe is rad, fight me

[@randycheow4268]

Don’t forget UCP too

[@odinlindeberg4624]

@@randycheow4268 Heck, ABU and NWU are saintly compared to UCP.

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

@@ReverendMeat51The Army should have used the tigerstripe. It has more of a historical connection than the Air Force.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

HyperStealth's marketing was so extra for a website that looked like it was made in 2001.

[@miguelencanarias]

I remember in the early 2000s when I was a member of militaryphotos.net, we often commented on how cool the patterns were, but how mid-90s their website looked like. Try to imagine this: as outdated as it looks today, it was even worse back in the day!!

[@RazZelDaZzel16]

yeah, well its Canadian lol

[@DustyGamma]

Depending on Afgan internet speed, it might have been a plus.

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

That's true. When I first saw their website. I thought they were part of Tigerstripe Products.

[@509Gman]

I’ve definitely been in some places in Afghanistan where I had wished my uniform looked closer to that one. Afghanistan would be a lot more forested if wood wasn’t the primary heat source and goats the primary meat source. There are also many pockets of irrigated and therefore vegetated land, even if the surrounding hills are a complete moonscape.

[@spikeobama5572]

I always used to laugh when I would see videos of US Marines wearing their woodland uniforms in Afghanistan some times but then I realized that the country is surprised pretty green in some parts.

[@ericferguson9989]

The Russians also dropped a lot of WP to burn down forests.

[@alhesiad]

Is actually a decent pattern, is better than the woodland at least, and the afghans seem to like it. Non-specialized press making a storm in a glass of water as usual.

[@wolfvanderheijden6086]

alhesiad it’s actually and it’s better than btw but I agree

[@IndiaEight5]

It's a waste of money.

[@johnkonrad5040]

It's about the same as woodland tbh. I think the more cogent criticism of it is much like with UCP. Why not just stick with woodland if the replacement is more expensive and only provides marginal improvement? Especially if they still use woodland, like the ANA commandos still do?

[@captain-chair]

Same thing happened with the F-35.

[@zoltancsikos5604]

alhesiad “better than woodland” LoL

[@snky6995]

Just a guess, but probably one of the reason they brought the Afghans a pattern that was not owned or used by the United States Military or the Taliban was to make identifying different factions quicker and easier.

[@SEAZNDragon]

Seems like friendly identification maybe the bigger issue. I haven't seen too many Taliban in desert patterns.

[@Kindhamster]

This exactly. Dressing INDFOR and BLUFOR in the same camouflage is just silly, especially if OPFOR also has access to that pattern.

[@johnkonrad5040]

They failed in that nature. By 2014, a lot of the manufacturing of the pattern shifted into China and Pakistan, and a lot of Taliban fighters wear the Afghan pattern alongside woodland. Not to mention the wholesale adoption essentially stopped after 2014... There's still a lot of ANA soldiers that wear woodland as a status thing.

[@s0nnyburnett]

@@johnkonrad5040 Big oops there.

[@johnkonrad5040]

@@s0nnyburnett Quite Cool username btw

[@olliegoria]

"We wasted $28 million of taxpayer's money in the name of fashion" said the government in their three new grey and blue uniforms that cost over five billion

[@juanzulu1318]

It seems to me that a funky uniform is the least pressing problem of the ANA.

[@matthewpham9525]

Oh you can say that again

[@sejfzlrrhman]

This has aged well.

[@alvarovinicius7]

This has aged VERY well

[@cristianlotti5328]

I would laugh but I can’t

[@kssar2056]

Well, you were right, it wasnt

[@jacksonmacpherson6101]

A big factor to also realize is that the ANA has chronic friendly fire issues along side the aforementioned risk of Taliban soldiers blending in with ANA forces. A distinctive pattern that is produced in North America, thus practically impossible for the Taliban to access will also have the benefit of making friendly ID easier.

[@Section20Ul]

You'll find most of the fighting (was) is in and around the green zones in Afghanistan. Where desert patterns (or UCP) can stand out, as the US and UK found out, and why Multicam and MTP were brought in. The mix of desert and temperate colours would clash with patterns made solely for use in desert or woodland type AO's. In the early days of UK forces in Afghanistan a mixture that was seen a lot, consisting of desert DPM trousers and DPM smocks.

[@Jake4595]

Tank khaki colored camo would've worked best because of the infrastructures generally being all-around dirt colored. From the footages I've see, a lot of combat happens in green zones but tend to be around urban environments mixed with rural engagements.

[@Ch4nn31]

holy cow! those red Xs starting at 7:40 are disorienting

[@JUNIORK1974]

I thought I was having a stroke lol

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

I thought it was timed identification test. Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!

[@Osama-Bon-Jovi-01]

I didn't even notice it lol

[@Lemarocity]

Afghanistan is pretty green on average

[@johnkonrad5040]

Is and isn't. Much of it is arid, but most population centres are in green, irrigated places. No one likes living in the desert. Using one pattern or another is a trade-off either which way. Personally, I've come to the conclusion that unless you're fighting in the sandiest desert you can find, a woodland pattern works pretty well regardless.

[@Kosme88]

YES !! I'm so happy you are back with another video. A video about Chinese camouflages would be nice.

[@cammobunker]

Oh, that would be cool..but would probably have to be a multi part series, since the Chinese are second only to the Russians in a dizzying number of camos in service at one time.

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

You trying to kill the guy?

[@einarbolstad8150]

At 2:04, the 4th man from the left in the rear row is wearing a Norwegian desert uniform.

[@odinlindeberg4624]

That he is. Probably a commercial imitation.

[@MrPazuzu1991]

I worked with troops wearing this Afghan camouflage pattern and it is effective and works great in the Afghan countryside. Arid doesn’t mean devoid of green, villages are normal located in areas that are fertile. The mountains look barren from the air but from the ground, there is a lot of vegetation.

[@JoeyMace28]

I actually like the Afghan's cammies tbh.

[@GruppeSechs2004]

Strangely enough, a similar camo pattern, US4CES, was also considered to replace UCP before the Army decided to switch to OCP

[@JoeyMace28]

His Dudeness Interesting

[@uncleaddie]

Heresy

[@thesturm8686]

@@GruppeSechs2004 is that suppose to read "US Forces" or "US Aces"?

[@GruppeSechs2004]

@@thesturm8686 it reads as “US Forces”. If you haven’t already, check out their stuff. It looks legit!

[@proonguice8386]

Since the ANA dropped the ball so badly they’re lucky the US didn’t make them wear duck hunter orange.

[@Zach_Bloomquist]

And all of this controversy doesn't matter anymore as the Afghan military and govt are no more. What a waste of lives and time/money for such a corrupt govt.

[@christopherwang4392]

There were some units such as the ANA Commando Corps which fought valiantly against the Taliban but unfortunately were let down by corrupt and incompetent leadership in Kabul.

[@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093]

Even in the more arid and desert-ey areas of Afghanistan, the majority of the combat takes place in the vegetated 'green zones' around water sources where farming takes place.

[@johnblair8643]

Nice video on the new Taliban uniforms!

[@phairecouchpotato3912]

Good job Biden

[@miguelencanarias]

Am I the only one thinking that the amount of money that the congressman is having his hissy fit about is more or less what the US Army spends in coffee in a month? Any pork barrel project for key states is ten times that sum. It looks like cheap grandstanding to me.

[@johnkonrad5040]

It's one part of waste for a giant shit sandwich. Reading through SIGAR reports is like reading through how quickly someone can set millions of dollars on fire on a week-by-week basis.

[@eazy8579]

Agreed. We spend billions to build a single fighter, and an Abrams cost about three million a piece, so we're able to totally reequip a critical ally with a new uniform pattern for less than what ten of those suckers cost

[@Jake4595]

That money they spent on fancy useless camo that would make no difference at all for the afghan army until they actually fix the internal issues, could've been spent on giving more support to citizens back home due to the coronavirus

[@breizhrudie4757]

@@Jake4595 Lmao this was done before Covid pal stop your political bullshit. Even then, go cry about UCP and F35 project, both failures that costed billions.

[@aaronsoriano2421]

Wow i did not know hyper stealth desined the philippine army pattern...ehem mind making an episode out of it?...... :)

[@jimc1715]

I actually want him to tackle the older patterns such as the Phil.Marine Corps' Malunggay pattern, different shades of ERDL and Woodland used by the Army and Constabulary before the Army adopted the DPM as well as older brushstroke looking patterns used by Scout Rangers and Special Forces in the 60s and 70s but sadly it will be very difficult as there are nearly no available references on its isage except for Camopedia. For uniqueness though, I believe the very short-lived blue DPM used by the air Force and Police might be given a mention if he tackles the DPM.

[@trollking99]

@Libertate Veritas CADPAT is owned by the Canadian government, not Hyperstealth.

[@euro-general]

I heard about this story a while, ago. But I never thought it was actually much more complicated... Its a very interesting video, keep up the good work!

[@KiLDELTA]

Hyperstealth is also the origin of my country's (Philippines) army uniform...which can be scene on the vid 3:31... but there was also an issue being almost similar to Cadpat

[@jaredpeabody894]

KiLDELTA honestly when you compare the Philippine camouflage to CADPAT, it’s more unique by quite a bit than say Estonien Pattern or Finnish MO5. But I can certainly see your point.

[@KiLDELTA]

@@jaredpeabody894 yeah that would be correct, there are differences... the Estonian is much closer... there will always be issues. It would really depend if that camo suits the env where it is being deployed.

[@syncswim]

it's almost like one of the main reasons that war dragged on so long w/ no strategic goal or plan was to be a feeding frenzy for logistics contractors

[@Khanclansith]

Been waiting on this one.

[@robbabcock_]

Fascinating! Another well researched and informative presentation!

[@thomaszachariadis634]

Nice video over all. Gratz.

[@HUKIT.]

Always surprised you don’t have more subs, well done as always.

[@metalday1]

Great videos man! I'd love to see a video about the finnish M05 camouflage, since it have a pretty cool development! Keep up with the good work!

[@matiasojedaoporto8663]

Since we already seen the mujihadeen's uniforms can you make a Soviet Afghanka Uniform pattern (as well its camouflage) please?

[@cdev2117]

10:23 I laughed so hard, because that jumped to my mind a minute earlier. Because you actually could give those guys a pink uniform, they would't care, they just want a pretty uniform.

[@509Gman]

C De V helps with esprit de corps, which the ANA desperately needs

[@AshleyBlackwater]

Pink is actually used in some patterns, with varying degrees of success. They're mostly desert patterns even.

[@odinlindeberg4624]

@@AshleyBlackwater Back in the early days, the SAS enjoyed geat success with their pink jeeps xD

[@frankpolly]

@@AshleyBlackwater Some US marpat desert variations actually use a slight pink shade.

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

During Desert Storm, we had a number of vehicles painted in desert pink.

[@MisterCOM]

It actually looks pretty good to me it seems fairly effective and it seems to greatly enhance the feeling of outwards unity and professionalism

[@MisterCOM]

@احمد for sure but even small things like uniforms and cammouflage can have a good effect on morale and cohesion the ANA just failed in the rest

[@MisterCOM]

@احمد i believe you 100% the west tried to restructure something that should have been burned to the ground when they instead should've completely started over like russia started doing is syria with some success

[@energyzer_bunny1913]

Great video. Very interesting stuff!

[@nephilimfto3548]

Haha when I was in Afghanistan, my platoon had to pick up a bunch of these and bring them back to our ANA guys. They were all super pumped and excited to have new uniforms! The pattern is pretty decent actually especially in the North and East of Afghanistan.

[@YTIsRanByFeds]

I brought back a full set and its probably the coolest thing I got over there.

[@christallon184]

Hi can you please do videos on French LIZARD STRIPE and its variants also Italian VEGATATO has been my favourite autumn pattern for years cheers great videos keep the up pal

[@lib556]

Over two deployments in Afghanistan, I remember the ANA and ANCOP uniforms well. Being Canadian, I felt a bit of pride knowing that they were designed and made by one of ours (Guy Kramer). It was also cool (to me, anyway) that I happened to live in the same town outside Vancouver where all this happened. I had no idea, however, of the controversy.

[@riccardobalbo234]

13:08 can we stop for a moment and appreciate how cool this guy looks?

[@riccardobalbo234]

@RogerwilcoFoxtrot I would like to get a chocolate chip someday, altough I'm still waiting for an occasion to use a desert tri tone bdu for softair.

[@PossumMedic]

14:07 "Tickle Tickle!" xD

[@nathanapplegate5374]

It’s a nice pattern. Looks cool too. If we’re concerned about the clash between the pattern and the majority of Afghanistan being... well semi arid, then have this pattern be the standard uniform pattern and also adopt the desert dune pattern along side.

[@masonryan6101]

I usually don’t like digital cami but this is really cool. Also keep up the good work

[@derektorres6260]

This was a very interesting video, it's also interesting that we have an ally camouflage uniforms that look and blend in better than what we were using at the time🤦🏻‍♂️.

[@pepebeezon772]

0:19 Like multicam and high cuts right now...

[@pyeitme508]

Maybe...

[@Punisher9419]

​@S a p i e n 2 0 1 6 It's only popular because of some special forces using it not because of it's performance. It's a descent camo though just nothing special.

[@Gustavovisk21]

Luke L. Any camouflage pattern is like a godsent compared to UCP

[@Drownedinblood]

@@Punisher9419 Imo it's still more a desert pattern. In forest you have to make more of an effort to hide, and after a few washes it kinda just turns really tan anyway.

[@travpots6318]

Good job

[@americanpatriot6918]

That's actually a really good looking cammoflage that looks like it would work pretty good! Especially having the option to have the desert variant! I'm impressed! It's like a mix between MARPAT Woodland and the Navy's NWU type three!!

[@molonlabe5090]

Been eyeing Hyperstealth's patterns for a long time. Just wish I could get them.

[@andrewjohnston4127]

11:57 love the old skool DPM tropics 😀

[@johnkonrad5040]

SAS fella, prime Allyness :D

[@Gustavovisk21]

Videos like this aged like fine wine

[@phairecouchpotato3912]

aged more like milk

[@christopherwang4392]

In the Afghan National Army's defense, there were some units such as the ANA Commando Corps which fought valiantly against the Taliban. Unfortunately, they were let down by corrupt and incompetent leadership in Kabul. Nowadays, the remnants of these former elite units have either fled to the West or are in hiding with anti-Taliban groups such as the National Resistance Front or Afghanistan Freedom Front in northeastern Afghanistan.

[@Tony-ym9nq]

Your videos are really informative, as a South African, I would like to hear about the development of the soldier 2000 pattern which is specifically designed for South Africa. It is an indigenous design that works well throughout the country and rest of Africa. It would be interesting to hear what you information you can find?

[@siquq]

This is a report i reallywanted to see.

[@dormousecat3947]

"skimming through the internet and finding a pattern he found 'cool'" LMFAO

[@stewartbirkmyre9136]

Is there an episode on the Australian Defence Force patterns? If not, is it a possibility that one will be made in the near-future?

[@easucks1776]

Can we get more videos about hyperstealth and who uses their camo patterns?

[@madmarvshighwaywarrior2870]

3:37 based on the flags, Afghanistan, USA, Philippines, Mexico, Jordan

[@horrorclose9462]

It is probably outside your perview but how about a review/history of the ConCamo Ghost Hood? I know it's extremely modern and not much history behind it but it's quite different in its approach to camouflage.

[@mdarks4117]

Nice vid! Wondered why their camo appeared so green & brown, like it belonged in a forest area.

[@howardgreen9718]

You should overlay a map of contact locations throughout the country and then compare the camouflage pattern

[@GhostMaker00]

ACU worked in Afghan mountains as well this camo works as well.

[@3arabawy]

Can you please do a video on the Egyptian army uniform history?

[@lastarbiter6822]

Would it be possible for you to do a video on the IOI raid officers seen in the movie Ready Player One? I know there isn’t a lot of screen time with them but I’d like to see what you’d find on it. Thanks.

[@leathery420]

Is there a video on MARPAT VS CADPAD? They are literally the same except for colors. I've also heard Canada adopted it first, then the USMC.

[@Jake-bt3fc]

This isn't the ANA's camo anymore. This is the official Taliban camo now.

[@BarrySManifold]

thanks to ANA cowardice.. unlike Ukrainians, Georgians, and Armenians who fought for their land (lost or not)

[@mateusdacalgostoso]

Great video ! Would be interesting if you did a videos about the brazilian lizard camouflage Pattern

[@bigidiotdumbstupidguy9329]

Another point for camo (beyond authority and a kind of solidarity) is that, while it won’t do as much to give concealment like a gillie suit would. The patterns (apparently, especially the 6 color desert and “digital” camos according to my active duty and retired friends) are designed and implemented to break up the wearers outline. If you’re wearing a modern woodland variant with trees at your back, yes you’ll still be visible, but the pattern makes it difficult to see where the background ends and you begin. Without magnification at least. Seeing it in person really messes with your head. It can make people seem 10 feet tall or 3 feet tall. If a squad is layered a certain way, it can look like one person is 12 feet wide and holding 2 rifles. If they didn’t have a gun, you wouldn’t see them unless you knew where to look or you saw them move. That’s even from 50 yards. That’s a huge intimidation factor. You can see them right there, but the camis make it seem like you wouldn’t be able to hit them.

[@scumbine5875]

0:16 - 0:26 Can't help but think that'll be the case with multicam now that everyone and their grandma is using it in some form or another. Would also like to request a video on the Serbian police blue/purple tiger stripe pattern.

[@BigBellyEd]

Woow best channel has new video

[@bloodybrit127]

Honestly i think it is a little to dark/saturated for a multi environment use (in the pictures but not the background interestingly) but all of this just proves that most think its more fun to point fingers than to research

[@jdpon]

Are you planning to make a video about the Finnish M05 camo?

[@enigma1247]

They should of did a certain amount of woodland depending on how many estimated soldiers would be in the woodland areas and so on with the estimated soldiers in the arid areas.

[@dzulqarnain5478]

But I still wondering why did the DOD & ANA choose BDU color green instead of desert color. As might as well you create Multicam color but in a digital way.

[@CBB-dg9jy]

Interesting, thanks for the well research video, I wore multicam (deployed) and I now use W2. In my area their camo was pretty good but I know it was not great everywhere. That said Congress, like many civilians don't understand AF is different than Iraq.

[@happywombat]

Will HyperStealth develop a snow variant for mountain operations or will they just continue to use the existing one?

[@pedanticchicken2117]

I have a friend who served and he told me he barely saw sand. He told me is was just hills and farmland so idk what the problem is

[@chiwolf1897]

Any chance you'll be making a video about the Russian KSOR camouflage?

[@darthtyranus378]

can you please make a video about the Swedish M90 pattern?

[@ripley4601]

What unit is the guy at 8:11 from? I keep seeing that patch, but don't know what it's called.

[@rainingglass5554]

I'm an Afghan born and was an interpreter for ISAF as well as American military for 6 years. There's nothing wrong with this camo. If you drive from the capital of Kabul to Helmand you will come across desert, forest, mountains, and valleys. There's no pattern that works well with all terrains. The Afghan military is not even aware that there's a controversy about this camo in America. I understand the cost, but the camo itself is fine as far as I know.

[@ScoutSniperMC]

Are you saying all of Central Asia isn’t one giant dune-swept Saharan desert teeming with oases of oil and Arabs?

[@PyromanicPunk]

Great video. As a collector of Afghan National Army equipment and uniforms and leader of an ANA reenactment group, I was hoping you get more in detail with the various cuts, styles and makers of the uniform. But still a great video for a great camoflage.

[@pauliez95]

I mean if it works for them I don't really see the issue. Espirt De Corps is important. If soldiers feel pride in they're uniform and themselves, it helps a decent amount.

[@canadianwifi2903]

I would probably take away the really dark brown and put some type of deeper green than the lighter green already in the camo, make it just a bit lighter overall but apart from that I think the pattern is actually quite good

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Are those Kurdish YPG regulars in Syria sporting a similar pattern to this one? Was wondering where they got ‘em from.

[@28ebdh3udnav]

You gotta admit it, this camo is pretty badass

[@MaxSluiman]

As usual, someone with friends at the MOD made a lot of money. And that is the same in every country. Of course the MOD can always back its decisions with scientific research. Even if the camo would be pink.

[@LosBerkos]

@Johnny Dong That's actually right, and it's one of the standout colors of MC if you look closer. And MC - now THAT is a waste of money, even if it's quite decent for what it does, with every client adopting it paying for R&D and a microscopic redesign again, over and over. Brilliantly masterminded grift (MultiScam).

[@evanz9608]

10:27 Pink camo is actually excellent in deserts so if the Afghan MOD chose a pink camo pattern, or even a solid light pink color, with most of the country being arid, it would've been a better choice than the SPEC4CE pattern

[@odinlindeberg4624]

Norwegian desert camo is kinda pink, and it works like a dream on the sand. It does show up in the video too, in the picture with a bunch of guys wearing vaious camouflages.

[@Drownedinblood]

Not THAT pink though. I know Russians actually deployed with slight pink solid color uniforms in Syria and it worked surprisingly well.

[@Crano_Brakebart]

Do something about Afghan notional police grey green uniform

[@tamzidkarim9402]

Can you make a video on the military uniform of Pakistan and evolution of its uniform since 1947 to now? Also discussing uniforms of its paramilitary forces as well.

[@snodre3123]

How about making a video on the Norwegian patterns?

[@onkelmicke9670]

How much did they spend on the inquiery?

[@MilosAndric123]

Hey can you please do a video on Serbian Military camos ? M93 M02/03 or newer M10 Thanks bud, i love your vids 😍

[@gilanbarona9814]

Regardless of the camo, the effectiveness of the soldier probably counts more. IDF soldiers have been wearing plain OG for years in an arid environment, and they are still among the world's best.

[@Panzer_Runner]

The name is so long, the words are squished in the thumbnail to fit all of em

[@perryjohnson3801]

All those soldiers marching with their Barrett .50’s is a perfect representation of Modern Warfare 2019 right now

[@CoolGuyPlays1]

Just wondering.. in what environment is the Metro camouflage seen at 3:52 used in?

[@mardiffv.8775]

Metro is short for metropolitan = large (capital) city, including suburbs and neighboring towns. So an urban pattern.

[@arnantphongsatha7906]

3:13 That's probably the ugliest official seal I'll ever see.

[@kevinyang5926]

7:45 Epilepsy warning