Union Pacific Steam Shop 4014 & 844

[@thesailjunkie]

An amazing piece of machinery designed and built without the aid of computers. The people who did this were true craftsmen.

[@kg0ye]

Nice job, Skip. I opted out of the trip this week. For me it would have been a wash with all the folks hovering near the engine. You understand. Keep up the good work.I'll be watching.

[@SkipW]

Sunday was far less crowded, so maybe next year & Thanks for watching.

[@bultacometralla2]

Nice job of filming your visit to the depot, the guide explained everything well and you asked the right questions.

[@jacksalvin364]

Union Pacific 4-8-8-4 No. 4014 was restored to operated for fantrips.

[@joshjodlowski1555]

Wow, look at all that scale and mud build up inside 844!

[@thenorgalofthehills5688]

Did anybody else notice the Star of David on 844's piston rod? That's really cool.

[@stephensmith799]

Hats off to UP. That's all I can say.

[@Gabethenwr77]

I love up steam locomotive’s

[@LaserLuther]

A couple reasons why they are going to oil is coal likes to start brush fires some states no longer allow coal fired locos and coal is not so easy to find along a steam loco's travels. It's easy to call ahead and have an oil truck meet up on stops and fire hydrants and water trucks are easy to find. It's about logistics and safety.

[@damiengarton4966]

the rods on a steam locomotive are forged from a solid piece using a large forge and steam hammer have a look at other you tube footage about steam locomotives especially in england where they show the building of steam engines if you put grease in till it comes out you have used too much. also alemite is a brand of grease rather than a type

Do you have a time frame for completing the 4014 restoration ,and return to live steam? I have been a Rail fan all my life, and of course,I grew up back in the late 40's as steam was being replaced by diesel..I have on my bucket list, the dream, to see and experience 4014 return to the rails and ride the rails as I did as a young boy,with my older brother,Chris...we'd sit down by the West L.A,.Union Pacific Rail yards, and watch the Early diesels leave Union station in Downtown,and head east towards the deserts and the rest of the states. I love steam!! E-5s E-6s,E-9s...them too!,

[@geomodelrailroader]

nice video Skip. I like to thank JointLine for providing info during the tour.

[@challengerrail1036]

yea, "Jointline" has a great vast knowledge of these big brutes, very nice guy

[@geomodelrailroader]

yup visit his Facebook page #844 #3985 Info

[@michaellindsay6735]

Look at the size of the these wheels

[@sherristrikesandtractors]

Great video of UP steam

[@eastpantherbenz]

WOW, that brass was scorched at :26

[@docholliday5472]

Were you able 2 find out what happened 2 3985? I haven't been able 2 find an answer for why it isn't running.

[@trainmaster52]

Several KZbin videos say FRA mandated (required maintenance and inspections) needs to be completed and certified before it can run again. It's still in operating condition just needs this work done

[@THOMAS81Z]

Yes they are & unfortunately the 3985 is being retired

[@ATSF1927]

I remember my younger years with the old Baldwins Santa Fe had, I do know UP 844 was never retired from service, great video of some great old memories.

[@SkipW]

keenan7434 Rumors of 3985 and 844 demise have been greatly exaggerated, but they are receiving some needed repairs, and shall return to the rails!

[@THOMAS81Z]

Damn it go directly to ed dickens & get him on tape so we get the WHOLE STORY

[@MasterViseOMG]

L.D. Wood So you must be about 95 years old

[@TRAINMANCWCLANCY]

thay are not retireing UP 3985 that wod be a big wast if they did that so what does steve le have that nobody else does to save a steam locomotive from out of retirement that was has plains are so not puting a locomotive in retirement that bull crap info >=/

[@NightdoesStuff]

Heres one of my biggest questions, why do they have diesels helping the steams with cargo??? These things were built for this. To be honest, If the big boy were to have a helping diesel, I wouldn't be as happy, that steam train would be able to tow more than enough.

[@NightdoesStuff]

oh ok. but is it possible to guve a steam locomotive and type of dynamic braking? because the big boy has 16 drive wheels, doesnt that mean 16 brakes?

[@Rebel9668]

NightdoesStuff Not to mention the air brakes on whatever it's pulling.

[@ZachPumphery]

It is not practical, or even possible, to add dynamic braking to a steam locomotive.

[@timgreen4137]

J&M Studios Diesel electrics are used for several reasons. The diesels are used to provide power for the passenger coaches, when a generator car isn't available. They are also used as backup, in case of a steam breakdown. Schedules must be adhered to. And also, some of the younger "management" isn't 100% trusting of the steam. As far as dynamic braking goes, steam engines can do that by using the reverser, and applying throttle.

[@milepostproductions5610]

I think that the Mars light was taken off of 844. Why was it taken off and what was its purpose?

[@aaronspringborn34]

When was the last time that the 844, 3985, and 4014 last ran?

[@ZachPumphery]

4014 hasn't operated since the 50's. 3985 last ran in 2010, 844 last ran in 2013 before this year. It's out running as I type this, actually.

[@EasternMichiganProductions]

@@ZachPumphery funny that it got restored in 2019 to operation

[@michaelstrickland647]

Did you find out what is wrong with 3985?

[@trainmanauxl1]

3985 is down for it's 15 year boiler inspection. It takes a while to do. The UP steam crew is not large by any stretch of the imagination, and seeing as they were moving a big boy from California, and driving 844, it's not a huge surprise 3985 got put on the back burner. Summary: nothing is wrong with 3985, just routine maintenance.

[@michaelstrickland647]

Knew about the inspection but had heard they found a major problem.

[@trainmanauxl1]

Michael Strickland probably just another rumor. UP steam says everything is still good.

[@BigTrain175]

Any word about the Big Boy?

[@Sys-Edit0r-1995]

So why does 844 have two stacks?

[@THOMAS81Z]

I stand corrected. .. thank god

[@catlover2368]

I been told whether this is true or not that they found cracks on 3985s driver's/rods

[@peperoni3939]

It's almost like finding out you have a broken arm

[@shoebillstonk]

Are those rivets surrounding the firebox of the 844? Is so, Why?

[@ZachPumphery]

They're called staybolts. Simply put, they hold the firebox to the boiler.

[@shoebillstonk]

Thanks! It's nice to know new stuff everyday

[@TRAINMANCWCLANCY]

that is a lots of info about UP 844 its get me to think does he work there or this a railfan because some part wind i was lising wind he talks about brass boushing that was not ture its a roller bearing steam locomotive so nick v. making up stuff he this want to get on camra that all so trust me on this SteamUP great video =)

[@bcbloc02]

844 has bushings on the Rods. I remember them re-machining them a few years ago for new ones.

[@TRAINMANCWCLANCY]

bcbloc02 i am this talking about a roller bearing steam locomotive 844 is one of them ( not the side rods ) all right bcbloc02 =)

[@MrEricmopar]

Roller bearings on axles only on these engines. the Rods all have bushings. Bushings have more friction than roller and needle bearings, but they are far more shock resistant. Bushings have far more strength than roller or ball bearings. U.P. picked the best of both worlds, when they had there late period steam engines built.

[@bcbloc02]

I would disagree. The N&W J class had engines run 3 million miles and per the ASME landmark designation article in 11 engines over millions of miles they only had two bearing failures. The roller bearings were used both to reduce friction and WEAR. With the highest tractive effort of the 4-8-4's I think they were certainly capable of handling the loads and with longer times between shopping and more road miles per month than the UP engines I think the full bearing compliment worked out well for them.

[@MrEricmopar]

Pound for pound, bushings are more resistant to shock. I've got pratical experience with bushings and bearings, and no one is going to change my opinion of that. I also learned a lot from a grandfather who was a master machinist. Also is what the U.P. Steam crew told me themselves. While it's true NW 611 has rollers on it's side rods, they are much larger and heavier than bushings would be for the same loads. We will never know for sure, but I'm guessing that 844 could attain a higher speed because of lower side ride and bearing masses. Rollers may last longer in some situations, but a railroad also has to take into account long term maintenance costs. Bushings are far cheaper, and can be machined for a repair in the field, while rollers are hugely expensive and can be hard to come by at times. I still think U.P. made a good compromise by putting rollers on axles and bushings on the rods. I should add, that they are probably "oillite" type bushings. Impregnated with graphite and/or some other lube, not solid brass or bronze.

[@trainguy3]

Did he say they are going to be restoring 4014?

[@bobbyjekins9807]

Yes.

[@souther630]

Really you just said that.

[@catlover2368]

Not to sound rude but 3985 needs to retire and rest

[@bcbloc02]

They should just burn corn instead of coal. It is easily available in the midwest, burns clean and hot if they can get enough draft for it. Big Boy burning Bio fuel as a renewable resource would be good press. :-)

[@1962Anderson]

Well, nice, pretty commentary, but so far from what is practical and possible that it's a joke, and a bad one at that!

[@stevenparry6341]

***** I agree with you, biofuel and steam locomotives don't mix. I remember the Nevada State Railroad Museum tried some biofuel on the #8. That thing could get a head of steam save its life! Besides, #5 fuel oil and used automotive oil does a fantastic job of getting a good fire going at nearly 1/2 the cost.

[@mikes47jeep]

one of the main reasons UP dosen't do coal, is because the infrastructure for coal isn't there any more, with oil, they can stop at any diesel refueling area on their line and take on a load of fuel oil

[@ZachPumphery]

This is false. UP steam locomotives do not burn diesel fuel. They burn refined used motor oil from a burner oil refinery in Iowa. It is shipped by truck to wherever the engine(s) might be.

This makes my weenie hard.

[@colivera427]

I thought I was the only one.