Unit Tier List Triangle Strategy

[@raidhyn]

Incredibly detailed breakdown. Learned a ton of things about the game and the units themselves by watching this and feel fully prepared now for new game+ Thank you for taking the time to make this!

[@seedofwonder]

I certainly agree that Anna's usefulness decreases as you open paths with other characters. On a first playthrough she is S tier, but having just started a second in NG+ I can see that other characters deserve her spot in battle. However, I wonder if she earns an S rank for the following reason. The only caveat here is that, if you're going to use Quahaug to break the game and save characters from the brink of death, then by all means go with your best AoE or spike damage units. Even so, Anna is the one to send in to perform field actions/commands. Maybe not on the bridge battle where there is just the one gate switch, but for battles with more actions to perform, having someone that can be concealed is real benefit. Maybe that's too circumstantial, but I don't like dragging out battles longer than necessary. So in the mock battle with a cluster of treasure chests, it's nice to have a character who can always open two at once. That sort of thing.

[@ironx98]

I see the argument for all the placements. Just some notes I want to share. Hossabara normal attack hits harder than Roland's She is the second highest normal damage dealer outside of the three tied for first. Both of her and Roland with a Defense Bracelet have better Def. then Serenoa. She also has Up and Up which increases her Attack the more TP she has. Her, Avlora, and Erador have Desperate Defense which halves the damage they take (Including magic) when below half HP, which makes them much more bulky. You described Benedict as a backline unit when he has the best Defense in the game outside of Erador and Flanagan. This gives the impression that he is squishy when he isn't I often try to position him to get some free followup damage and enemies will often ignore him to go for more squishier units in range. Narve's Spark does more raw damage than Ezana Rite of Lightning (Outside of Rain) if you give him Spark damage up. So some Maxwell notes you stated that Roland can do the same as Maxwell but with better damage by just throwing on a Res Earring but there is only 2 res earrings in the game. And if you throw it on Maxwell first the res earring gets proced and then his revive gets proced so he ends up with 3 lives. He naturally has more HP(+33), Def(+3), and Res(+3). If you give him a HP bracelet it is effectively +100 HP due to the double life. He effectively has 8 movement due to jump (also can go though things), his triple thrust does more damage than roland double hit. They both have Rush and Run through receptively. Lance hurl can be used from range to set up angled followup attacks or from safety. And two birds one stone also actives on ranged hp pellets. I do think Roland's Four Dragons completely eclipses anything Maxwell can do to a Boss however while I agree with your assessment that Roland can be S tier when used optimally, his defenses hold him back. I think what people see in Maxwell is a more consistent Roland that will not get blown up without proper planning Giovana has 12 better HP than Roland 7 points better Def and has the second highest Magic Defense (63 to his 46) in the game losing only to Milo they aren't comparable defensively. Enemies will avoid attacking her magically same with Milo actually. Originally I wasn't gonna talk about Milo but she becomes this weird tank where she can take magic hits and will often not have to cause enemy mages will avoid attacking her. And then for physical hits she has the second highest evasion in the game, but because enemies have to come next to her to attack Instinct activates and she becomes the most consistent dodge tank in the game. You talked about power of love being 100% but Heart stealer has an 80% chance for two turns, and Stardust has the same 60% chance to stun Ezana has. The amount of times I've had enemies try to surround her I maybe take one hit from a followup attack and then I click stardust watch two of them get stunned and then just walk/moon jump away. Plus she has the only Magic attack that can crit in the game. With effective 10 move and the ability to walk through or jump over enemies she can almost guarantee crits. Ezana, Medina, Julio, and Quahaug is my favorite way to use Quahaug. Since moves don't miss during stop time it make Ezana Rite of Thunderstorm 100% accurate. I only bring this out on rain maps. Bosses can break out cause they move faster but depending on your starting location it doesn't matter the rest of the team will clean up, when they come out of time stop with full TP. I usually just hit like 3 Rite of Thunderstorms before I start cleaning up the map.

[@cleenash]

Wait a second, if Narve's lightning deals more damage than Ezana, and his whirlwind also has more range than Ezana. why does ezana even exist? like the 2 useful spells she has are ''worse'' than Narve (which also has healing and a better weapon skill IMO)

[@ironx98]

@@cleenash Honestly I find myself asking that question sometimes. I think its for Rite of Rain and Rite of Tempest. When played around her weather changing abilities she ends up doing more damage. Rite of Lightning also has a 60% chance to paralyze over Narve's 30%. Rite of Tempest can make archers inaccurate so if you aren't running any archers on your side it can beneficial. Also Archibald gets a damage buff during Rite of Tempest. During Rain I find that AI is less likely to use fire based moves so that can be useful to shut some enemies down. Rite of Thunderstorm is 100% accurate during timestop so spamming that plus Quahaug timestop and having Medina and Julio keeping them at full TP is pretty broken.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Roland shouldn't be stabbing things in the front, he should be looping around and opportune/back critting foes, in this case Hossabara basic attack will deal much less damage. Also Roland has better AoE and single target, fat crits, and overall stronger mobility. His spear can also passively hit 2 foes which can be used to 2x back crit with a basic attack. Hosabara's 2 TP ability will on average be dealing less damage than a basic Roland attack.

[@ironx98]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming I don't disagree with anything you just said I was just pointing out that she has stats similar to Roland and a tool kit that at least good enough to not be ranked a separate tier below everyone else. Is she still arguably the worst character in the game I could see someone making that argument. But I could also see someone making the argument that Piccoletta is the worst character in the game cause using Decoy effectively requires you to funnel TP into her which could be used elsewhere. Even then Decoy can only take 2 maybe 3 Hits, and there are arguably better ways to mitigate or control damage. If you use her as a pseudo mage it requires a monetary investment. Yet I understand your argument for why you ranked her A rank. I don't agree with it but I understand it, because I do think Piccoletta is the worst unit in the game.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Maybe Hossabara is B tier? I have a hard time seeing it, her heal is a buffed ranged large healing pellet that doesn't hit her, the catapult is interesting, and the damage is so/so. I think my main issue with her kit is that there's nothing huge value outside of the catapult, and even that seems extremely conditional. Why throw hughette to highground when she can fly? If she had a 3-4 TP battery ability I would put her at A just for tool kit but I don't get it. Serenoa is a better tool kit that can do almost anything, Quahaug outclasses Hossa as a utility and casts a large shadow over her that she can't escape. Piccoletta can create lightning rods that enemies crowd around. If you blind these enemies, spam the ground with ice, the decoy can live a while. You can heal and put tank on the decoy too if you want to, it can also trigger followup attacks to help you spike things down and actively tries to. I used Piccoletta as my main tank on my 1st/2nd playthough no Erador or Flanagan and it was perfectly fine. She also contributes to AoE spam assuming you do any grinding, 20k/2-3 min NG+ is nothing so she can spam large stones for good damage and with no battery, can also summon a decoy every 3rd turn. With a battery, you have endless lightning rods that waste enemy turns and chip damage them. Enemies surrounding the decoy lets your mages kite and nuke without really thinking about what to do, and she can passively guide enemies away from squishy units.

[@4fives992]

This a fair and very good tier list that mirrors my own thoughts. That being said I do have a few nitpicks: 1) I would move Medina up to Quehueg's tier. The time kid is insanely broken but Medina enables so much with TP Physick the game becomes infinitely harder when you bench her. 2) I'd drop Erador to B. NG+ Hard Mode shovels out too much damage for him to be reliable, he instantly keels over the moment a mage sneezes, and Flanagan's death ball makes him completely obsolete. 3) Assuming you bench time kid for the way he snaps the game over his knee Hossbara is the only other unit with a teleport in her kit. It can allow you to quickly position an Archibald or Randolph to high ground in certain battles. She's still pretty bad but would that one quality lift her out of being the worst unit in the game?

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

I actually found Medina to be decent/S tier battery but without her it's not too bad. I actually didn't run her for most of my playthroughs. Erador King shield spam with battery is pretty hilarious. I think team position matters more than the ability to throw a guy, so I don't value Hossabara pushing something up alone. I tend to use Hughette as my archer so no need to give an archer highground. She still could be ok for this.

[@kadenelson1469]

Finally someone who sees the value of Picoletta! And maybe its just me but I've found Trish invaluable in my playthroughs, shes the one i got on my NG hard mode and her act twice ability constantly sets me up for multiple follow up attacks to pick off enemies and her leap ability makes her one of only two archers that can get to safe high ground without help from others not only that but act twice lets her weave in attack twice and dip

[@aaronwentzel8695]

What a guy, thanks for all your guides man!

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Thanks m8, these are fun to make :)

[@jackyha9445]

Yo, thumbs up on Lionel's placement, that's exactly what I used him for on my first playthrough Thinking about it, him or Erador is my favorite. That and Hughette putting 4 people out of action essentially with blind while the rest of my party went pew pew is great

[@stevef810]

Thanks for this video dude!!!

[@heroponriki5921]

Finally a decent tier list! So many silly ones out there with like, Medina in D tier because they haven't unlocked all the skills.

[@nintonintendo1]

Seeing my boy Narve all the way in B tier makes my heart cry.

[@TheGreatDiegini]

Awesome list top 10 game all time for me. having a blast 100+ hours in

[@Brian0wns]

I actually really like Hossabara for certain maps. If you place her well her counter attack heals both you and the main attacker, and her ability to launch people is nice for like Archibald to get on roofs. Also I kinda like Narve for his wind attack, and healing. I just started new game + so Ill see how those others hold up.

[@arnaul_de_lapras5853]

i feel like narve in first game hard (no +) is better because sometimes Yeela dosen't heal enough so you might need him since he comes super earlly. Probablly he fells off on game + since there are other healers and better mages

[@eddiealva9751]

Loved your video! Thank you! Sad that Ser Maxwell isn’t like SS tier since he’s such a badass in the game, like General Avlora. I agree with you on everyone though! Thanks for sharing!

[@coreyshaffer1720]

For Fredrika granted you don't want her to be hit, but the person she puts fire shield on does damage back based off their magic attack. I put this on her one time knowing she would be hit and she one shot the guy that hit her. This was on easy on my first run.

[@xakuray5522]

Yeah, that was because you were only easy, on harder difficulties, fire shield is quite bad, only usually for a few early chapters when you have nothing else

[@Megaspaceycasey]

Hot take on Corentin, most lists have him B tier. Erador has been at the heart of my Hard play through, he can tie down groups of melee enemies with ease, easy S tier IMO. Anna gets worse as you go on, she just doesn't seem to scale.

[@Megaspaceycasey]

I'm trying to level Corentin up, he was my lowest char. I think a lot of people disregard him because Fred is just packed with abilities, Narve has appeal as a healer hybrid, and Ezana just has raw power and amazing utility with paralyze. Cor just fell behind for me. An important point is that once you get into the game, mages and healers RUIN your life. Proper use of traps/blind/Erador might eliminate groups of melee but does nothing for casters. Mages start walking up and deleting your key pieces, while healers undo most of your work or soak up your turns if you try to deal with them. I need to start utilizing chars like Lionel and Corentin to better manage these casters. I'm also taking more note of resistances, it seems battlemages are weak to fire which is probably why Fred is so popular (and maybe why Corentin is less so). Archers seem to be weak to ice, however archers are easily controlled by Hughette. Past mid-game, however, archers seem more and more of a thorn in your side, with AI designed to delete your most vulnerable chars and the damage and abilities to do it easily. More and more often blind archers land a hit that kills an essential char. All the melee are shut down after you set up a ladder-strat, but then archers and casters threaten to ruin everything for you. With Corentin being able to silence casters and delete archers, his value seems to go dramatically up (while other chars like Hugh and Anna seem to go down).

[@jackyha9445]

I had Anna hold a choke point indefinitely with her invisibility along with an archer on the higher ground while the rest of my party was on the other side of the map, So the AI boss target was the archer on the high ground but the most direct route to the archer was through the choke point anna was holding and instead ending their turn facing anna, they stood next to her and faced the archer lol This helped me tremendously on the protect rosellan village map where there were two bosses, silvio and rufus?? and I just cheesed silvio the entire game while i held the high ground against rufus, it was quite funny, maybe there are better strategies but it IS my first playthrough and i'm stupid and a masochist and decided i'd like my first playthrough to be "hard" difficulty cause i'm fucking stupid. But i'll see how anna scales as I get toward endgame, i'm on chapter uhhhhhhh fuck what chapter am i on, like 16? so I feel like that's mid-game or "mid-late-game closer to mid game"

[@Megaspaceycasey]

​@@jackyha9445 most people use ladders. you have Jens make a ladder (or use existing) and just stand at the top. Thats how I cheesed Silvio he went around back of the main tower to go up the ladder, I had someone stand in front and he just stood at the ladder yelling curses for the rest of the battle. As far a chokepoints Erador is the king of that, they attack him and he counters them so everything dies faster. But you have to shut down the mages as they are the only thing that can kill him. Anna doesn't scale because her damage is low (even with double attack) slumber strike is poor cc with low % and poison has a hard cap of 30 damage which doesn't scale with enemies over 300HP. Surmount is not good as it just puts her in the middle of enemies, she can hide but that means she is only doing half damage, very poor damage compared to powerful ranged chars who effectively do the same thing.

[@AspieForeigner]

Amazing tier list and reasoning. I do believe Decimal is an A tier however. He does require a TP battery which definitely goes against him but he does something no other character can do and that is attack multiple targets turn after turn (assuming battery) from afar safely. On my first hard mode new game+ he was often MVP by allowing me to attack a few units on the enemy team turn after turn far out of range of enemies and you can cheese with him to if you have him and a TP battery constantly running away you can keep chipping down on enemies while staying mobile. That said he can become very annoying when you suddenly see none of the enemies are within his HP range and he has a load of enemies nearby. Also his "ultimate skill" was almost never used. Not the best character but imo does not deserve to be in the same tier as Trish!

[@Adonis701]

I considered Anna broken on my inital playthrough, hardly used her on the subsequent runs great list !

[@pirateradio2814]

Agree with most of this. IMO Erador is S tier. Milo = Lionel. Narve = Ezana. Pico should probably be B tier IMO. Maxwell has an argument for S tier as well. Otherwise I've come to the same conclusions after a similar amount of playtime. Good list. Super broken interaction with Avlora is that time child can keep resetting twofold turn on her when she's close to a bunch of enemies for crazy damage spikes. He can also keep resetting Dragon shield and Auto-rez to break the game in half..she probably makes the best use of twofold turn anyway though. Also although Sunfall needs to charge it does absurd game breaking damage that can straight up win some maps instantly and you can just have Erador provoke everything to keep enemies inside the radius even w/o using Now-type skills on her.

[@Viviscle]

I feel like I am the only one who loves Hossabara as a unit xD maybe its her design I dunno, but most of the units in TS are pretty fun to try out and use

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

She has a use case, if her heal hit herself I'd user her tbh

[@Viviscle]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming It's true the fact she can't heal herself sucks, but I do enjoy the potential of her ultimate and the fact she can move enemies away or even hit three at once, depending on the situation. Using the boons and her catapult skill on Erador can be a funny move, as he can be moved forward and use his skill provocation to gather enemies. Giving control, but she is too situtional I suppose, nonetheless I really enjoy her :3 (also that dumb weapon skill she has where if she hits in flank? it heals...they really tried to do a lot but it just doesn't come off well in the game which is a shame)

[@aaronglazer4173]

Also, like Flannigan has one team build, Groma + Hughette + Corentin + Giovanna is a comp. I'm not SURE yet but there's something with Barrell Boy, Quahaug, Archers, Julio, and Jens.

[@twyckoff87]

Fantastic list, very detailed. Regarding Anna, I started to use her to confuse/frustrate enemy backlines more than damage. A little bit like jens, the enemy AI is not very smart at dealing with invis and commits extra guys. She can take a hit or two, so you can use her as a moving decoy, sometimes leading a boss away from your main force. Since she was so good as I was just starting out, I grew fond her and was determined to bring her along. In biased, but S for me.

[@jhon1406]

glad to find your channel!

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Thanks m8

[@naus6081]

Great and well informed tier list. I still think maxwell is edging into S; especially when you put Seranoa up there. If your tossing stones, doing proper aoe set up he’s never hungry for long for the tp to somersault into position for high jump and then use his high move to get out of dodge if need be. Anyone is good when they have a battery or quietus support but I find he’s still one of the best in ng+ hard at least. I don’t care for piccoleta/Lionel as much but that’s more my taste- I feel like they take a lot more time to set up. At this point you’ve reviewed and played every character, gone over items, but would you be willing to do a very short (10 min) through your personal favorite choices to have certain equipment? (The anklets, who you guuchi out with the scarfs, etc.?) it’s something dependent on map and team comp I know but I’d still be curious what you typically lean to when your trying to make the most out of them.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Serenoa has way more utility than Maxwell, he can allow units to quarter damage with ramparts and battery as well as single target spike, has some AoE etc. Maxwell just has some damage but high TP costs. If High jump was 3-4 TP I would agree he is S. I could do some vids on items. Currently planned is: Hard mode CH guide from fresh save per level, Quietus guides/tier list, build videos, team comp videos.

[@achatmaster95]

I feel like trish would have been awesome if her flame arrow did more dmg and was only 1tp and her leap allowed her to attack afterwards

[@erikbell1723]

I think there is a lot of ways to look at this kinda thing, because I think some units deserve a higher tier just for being so useable off the bat. Like to me Erador and Benedict are S Ranks. Erador carries so many maps on his back just soaking mad damage even early without most of his abilities. Benedict always has something to do that’s impactful. Some characters are hot garbage until they hit higher levels. (Medina is awful until she hits the TP battery) There is a lot of nuance. Honestly Anna is B tier to me, her damage has been book level most of the game. So she hits two book hits every hit until deep late in the game, and her needing silver is just not happening when Seranoa and Randolph are so much easier to use and hit hard for existing.

[@erikbell1723]

Your wife hits her stride a lot sooner then Ice Man, since his tp battery move is fairly late game, her buffs come much earlier so she works well faster and he passes her later.

[@erikbell1723]

Hasabara is a first play-through character too. You start with Geela, and your choices for off-healers are Narve, Hasabara and Medina. Narve is a good all around character but is TP starved and frail Medina sucks until she can give out TP and eats your money. Hasabara is TP self sufficient has good movement, good damage above the other healers, push utility and reasonable durability. If her heal worked on herself she’d be A Rank IMO

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

How usable they are in the first playthrough wasn't a factor for me TBH. I am going through a fresh save with the game knowledge I have now and it is much easier/slower paced.

[@erikbell1723]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming I think that’s pretty important information because most people looking at stuff like this are going to be making decisions for their first play-through based on stuff like this.

[@sergiosanmuahahaha]

@@erikbell1723 a lot of good points by this guy. Availability should be a factor, late game units even if broken won't help you in chapter 9b vs Booker are they

[@theobar8589]

Hossabara would be so much more interesting if she had the same movement as Roland (both are cavalry in the end).

[@thetactlesstactician7703]

One of my favorite Maxwell strategies is using twofold turn then high jump. Then he triple thrusts or hits two enemy's so he has 2tp for later and pull him back out of range. If I don't have twofold turn I just position him so he doesn't have to move first so he can high jump and fall back. Personally I find Roland to be way to squishy to be in any prolonged fight and Maxwell can stay in the fray for far longer. Why didn't they give Roland two birds one stone? I feel like it would have made him way better.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

He can rush for 2 by default with back crits, will make a vid on it soon.

[@thetactlesstactician7703]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming I know that but I often find Roland just to squishy. He loses almost half his health from Trish on hard mode. It's insane.

[@justwantawholename]

Something that Trish does that I did not hear you mention is that she can double proc pincers with minimal positioning. Sure, Benedict can act twice Rudolph and maybe get a similar effect but that takes two units. So in some sense, she's kind of like a ranged Anna that takes breaks (but doesn't have her damage reduction). All that to say, acting twice is insane utility that is hard to gauge on paper because of it's creative uses. Oh and since she gets to move twice as well, she's excellent for move > hit > hit > move back to safety in one turn. I often found her executing pincer attacks that I wouldn't dare send another archer to execute. Her thieving in NG synergizes nicely with Medina, since it's mostly good healing items that she steals One annoying thing I found with Trish is that she's story relevant enough as an enemy that you'll lose access to her at least once a NG+ playthrough. (excluding first ch because you only get 5 units there)

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

I mention this in her unit guide video I made. This is a decent ability, I think mages are generally better than damage archers, the only exception to this IMO is Hughette because she gets free highground, often can't get hit, can maintain blind on up to 4 targets, and can immobilize AND nuke single target at range with weapon skill. It's hard to compete with guaranteed highground and heavy shutdown while damaging.

[@justwantawholename]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming I don't think anyone is going to compete with Hughette, but I often run 2-3 archers anyways. It's kind of weird to think about because I run a sun comp, so in terms of this tierlist she's an A for me. She's my Flanagan in a sense because she works well in a specific comp

[@afromarco005]

Thanks for this list!

[@WiiSage]

Given that Thief characters are usually my favorite in jrpgs its a shame that Travis and Trish are so low but honestly it does feel like the devs ran out of ideas for archers when deciding what to give to Trish

[@themmangobois3530]

Trish being able to act twice and pick stuff up along the way makes her pretty good. In addition to removing the TP cost for Leap at her second Weapon rank (as well as an ability to gain a TP whenever she collects battle Spoils), which allows her to easily access high terrain to snipe at units with her bow, her third Weapon rank gives her access to "Act Again!", a two-TP skill that allows her to act and move twice for two following turns (compared to Anna's passive only permitting two actions, or Medina being limited to using two items).

[@cheche1301]

i like Narve over Ezana. Narve has that huge cone attack, love using

[@terence7009]

they both have that, actually. she has a much more powerful spark, though, but he also has healing.

[@OsvaldvVanStein]

Yes, Narve is definitely also A for me because he can heal on top of his large wind range.

[@zhoufang996]

@@terence7009 Narve's cone is bigger once he gets the range passive.

[@ArchetypeGotoh]

Poison and Potions made me sad. Doing set damage instead of percents makes them scary good at the start and nearly obsolete at the end. If only potions were 30/60% and poison was a fixed 15%, instead of 50/100 and 30 hp… 14:50 because of TP+ on Ice, i considered him a good candidate for the Obsidian Anklet; next to Julio or with Battle Cry, he’ll have 4 turns of attacks no problem; until i realized Decimal’s TP+3 for skipping a turn made him the ideal for Obsidian Anklet, but Correntin is a boss, true facts 18:40 Seranoa should be SS tier. You literally can’t not use him, so he’s always viable. Yes, that will be my only joke comment 32:08 yes! My boy LIONEL is such a great character, I’d love him even if his skills were trash; comic genius, extra cash, totally disrespects Anna, he’s perfect! But why do Merchants in this game all have whips? Kinky 36:49 Piccoletta is the true goddess, after she steals Divine Judgement from the Hierophant. I did that once and it’s just funny, adorable little circus freak nukes the board, excellent. Having her copy Kamsell’s Dragoon Jump is also hilarious 44:30 my boy Travis… the saddest thing is that’s not even unfair, i just like him. I don’t think he’s squishy, and as a melee character i don’t really think of him as a multi-attacker, so his single-target attack damage being good is plenty enough to make me happy. Man On Fire is stronk 55:35, Decimal not acting isn’t terrible; no move + no act makes your next turn order 20% faster, which is functionally about 3/4 spots easier than it would have been if you had moved. But his range is massive, he’s perfect candidate for Obsidian Anklet stat boost (perfect synergy with no natural TP regen anyway), and if you can give him a single turn with any “battery” character, he can even use his 4/5 TP skills. Certainly situationally useful, but if you don’t expect to kill everyone in a single turn cycle, he can afford to wait a turn or two to get his big effects out

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Decimal's inactivity depends on your team comp/playing style. Overall nothing is really bad in this game and everything is viable.

[@BonSentimentig]

Milos tempt abilities are kinda nuts tho like power of love tempting up to 5 but like pretty reliably 3 or 2 is still awesome and its 100% chance. Its getting like 2 decoys that you want dead anyway.

[@MH_Zard]

The thing with extra move utility though is sure, you can run another unit, but you're limited to that one role for said unit, and it still limits your options for extending if you want. Why would I run another worse damage dealer, when I can simply dance the better damage dealer I am already deploying and have them do the job they are better at compared to another extra unit? Again, dancing means that dancer basically becomes any other utility in your party, so they can do a number of things besides the one role that slot you gave up a dancer for be it heal, magic, melee, etc. The only thing I can see holding units like Benedict, is that TP is a thing, and in this game it tends to take several combatants to eliminate an enemy unit vs FE, where there is next to no resource cost for using a dancer, and you're more likely to sweep out individual enemies.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

This assumes that there are only a limited number of extremely good units so in that situation sure dancing is good. From what I've experienced in 3H Maddening, you build your team with only good units and the rest is positioning. I run a ton of falconknights and gremory mages, so why bother with a dancer in this case? The offensive is generally away from the mages killing things and the mages aside from a few key spell differences are more or less identical. I can see dancing being good in other FE games where great units are limted.

[@aaronglazer4173]

I've enjoyed this page, but I don't feel like you consider enough to differentiate units. Everything isn't NG+ so availability matters. Alone vs. with TP investment matters. And so on. Still, even with the complaint, thanks for all the content!

[@xxwallzxx4509]

I am sort of new to game. Sorry to bother you. Just wanted to learn about units. Anything is always great to have.

[@sincromelon2912]

Decimal can be extremally good hitting 10+ enemies, or medium hitting only 3, he's very situational, but gaining 3TP if doing nothing is a good balance for him, or else he would be broken

[@sympathism]

Its about the same for me. Id put hughette, frederica and picoletta lower and put milo, narve, archibald and erador higher. Though, personally I would define tiers based on usage. Always used, mostly used, sometimes used and almost never used. I think each unit is usable given the right situation, but the amount of these situations for each character during the game is what matters for their usefulness. Some maps archibald is top tier, and in others he is useless.

[@zhoufang996]

Hmm, I think it'd be worthwhile for you to do a separate list for NG. I think it'd come to different conclusions. Medina for example would be much weaker because you won't have an easy source of money for a while so you can't just spam ranged healing pellets, and she won't unlock TP physick until quite late. Hossabara would probably even worse because she's so expensive to use, with all her big things coming out of promotions or tier 3 weapon upgrades. Quahaug would be balanced by the fact you'd only get to use him for two battles or so. Etc.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

A fresh save tier list would look different, most of the units likely couldn't be unlocked. I didn't get Geo, decimal, quahaug, groma on my first playthrough

[@rizz1088]

When fighting rufus in silvio's betrayal i put benedict as a tank and sacrificed him to stall a lot of soldier. He is as tanky as erador

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

You know what they say, Rufus is a dufus!

[@JRPG-Mickey]

Pretty fair tier list. I have a few different placements, but overall I think it's fair. Nothing too glaring. It's funny because as much as I have discussed Ro with you, your placement is honestly around right where I would put him. Around that mid tier. Having played fighting games since 2002 though, I view tier levels differently. But that's just boomer mentality... For instance Hossabarra, and Quahog having their own tier is funny. It's the fact that we take into consideration the "Everyone is usable, play who you like" mindset that prevents tier lists from being super objective. Not a bad list honestly

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

I was thinking by Mid Tier you meant B, A/S I would consider higher/top so I guess it was just a misunderstanding haha.

[@JRPG-Mickey]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming Yup. Upper Mid / Mid, which has come up from low mid due to your video analysis. Again! Not a bad unit at all! Maybe my comments didn't reflect that well. We both agree that there are units that can do what he does but better...he fits in an interesting box as "DPS Genealist" as in...huge mobility, aoe damage, can take a couple hits, etc Doesn't shine in one spot or another...But good God, could you imagine if they gave him a FE tech where he could pick up a unit, and carry them around? THAT would have been dope.

[@WiiSage]

Always find it odd how they treat Jens and Rudolph's traps, both can end an enemies turn when it goes off but Jens can push them back or off cliffs which makes his way better but they made his able to be a 1 TP use through his weapon tree while Rudolph is 2, Rudolph has nothing in his weapon tree or class that add anything to his traps which i always found to be weird.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Yeah I think some kits are more fleshed out than others, if I had to guess they ran into time constraints during dev and had to just throw some of the kits together rapidly, otherwise they might miss a deadline.

[@achatmaster95]

I think this logic is a bit flawed, their traps dont have to be equally good, they are different characters with different strengths. jens doesnt have high range and dmg on his normal attack and slumber for example

[@thegreytabby3437]

Jens's trap bounces the enemy back which is amazing but sometimes you do want an advancing enemy to hold that position instead of being pushed further away from your guys so that you can gang up on them, and Rudolph's trap allows you to do that. The only problem is that Rudolph's trap is 2 TP and you can't reduce that which I feel is a bit strict when Jens can spam his traps freely. But I guess they figured that Rudolph can actually deal damage especially ranged while Jens literally just rely on fall/collision damage because he hits like a wet noodle otherwise.

[@thegreytabby3437]

@@achatmaster95 Jens does have Slumber Strike and you can argue upgrading its duration is the more worthwhile T3 upgrade than getting his turret ult lol

[@achatmaster95]

@@thegreytabby3437 i know, that's the point i tried to make, his slumber not being ranged when rudolphs is

[@markdavies9634]

Idk if your allowed to say what games you worked on or not but I'd like to check them out. I enjoy your KZbin content if I can help support you by buying stuff you worked on from steam I'd be down for that

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

I am working on a UE4 game I can show: www.indiedb.com/games/neptunes-deluge twitter.com/NeptunesDeluge

[@markdavies9634]

Sweet! I gave the Twitter page a follow the artwork looks dope looking forward to seeing more of it

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

@@markdavies9634 Thanks :) I might make some vids on it eventually but they will be spaced out in between game tutorial content and it takes a bit of effort to make 3D art/do game dev so I might upload a gamedev vid every 10-20 uploads

[@gotaplanstan]

Finally finishing the video. Confused on your take of Milo. Her 1 tp attack does magic damage and she has high magic attack. Give her 2 magic bracelets and she absolutely melts shielded enemies. Part of why she's S tier, to me, is on top of her great mobility and solid cc, she hits like a truck too. She even hits not shielded physical enemies hard. The only enemies she doesn't chunk is casters. She still murders archers on hard. Also, adding onto your deathball strat, once you got to Groma...you can just have Flanagan shield her and she'll dodge tank for days even on hard. She did it npnp vs Lyla in golden route for me in my first playthrough and it made the fight a joke lol Last thing is that Giovanna surprised me a lot for most of my 3rd playthrough. She synergizes so well with Corentin, literally covering the battlefield in ice like you're playing zerg in sc2 and spreading creep like you're DRG. The modifier on her ice is really solid too, cuz her magic attack isn't great but she still chunks ppl hard. Think I'd honestly put her in low A tier.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Melting shield units with magic is not hard to do, you can spam magic stones on them on most units to achieve this, mages are great at it. Groma being part of deathball doesn't really help deathball, she adds nothing to the comp, low damage, not the best tanking, is basically not worth it. Deathball is based around quartering damage, why run a dodge tank, its not relevant to the comp. Giovanna is great when she works but requires a lot of setup and as soon as you hit elevation her attacks fall off. I tried running her on a ton of maps and had to play around her inability to do well on elevation, on flat ground she is A tier, off of flat ground she is C-B, so I averaged her out to B. The tile thing also factors in, setting up tiles + being aggressive is not very easy to do as you generally need to either waste a turn to set up her attacks when attacking/repositioning. She cannot push up highground well at all either, so when I compared her to Roland, who is a line/flatland nuker, he also can push foes off highground and four dragons them, while she can't do single target damage very well.

[@gotaplanstan]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming yes it is, but none of the ways you just listed are as efficient at doing as Milo is. And none of who can do what you just listed have the mobility to freely roam to do this either. When a game's resource is infinite (albeit with a time constraint) like tp, a lot of this tier list stuff comes down to being tp related. And the fact is she can melt shields safer and cheaper than mages not named Corentin. I never said anything about Groma being in a deathball comp. You misread I guess. I'm also not sure what all this setup Giovanna needs is. For me it's literally just been "use Corentin" which isn't exactly hard to accomplish lol. But if someone is struggling with just him, they could always add Narve too.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Her setup is tile management. Even when you get ice tiles on the ground, if you have to push or move on the map, you need to constantly create new ice tiles. It is much easier to have a unit who isn't rooted to specific tiles and has flexibility. You can play around her constraints and she can do fine, but she needs enemies to line up and be on flat terrain AND she needs to be on the right tile. These are a lot of conditions to just get a unit dealing damage. "Also, adding onto your deathball strat, once you got to Groma...you can just have Flanagan shield her and she'll dodge tank for days even on hard. She did it npnp vs Lyla in golden route for me in my first playthrough and it made the fight a joke lol" You explicitly mentioned Groma being related to the deathball strat, so I pointed out that wouldn't be worth it.

[@gotaplanstan]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming I mean no need to condescend. If I've played 3 playthroughs on hard I think I understand how Giovanna works, especially if I'm advocating FOR her 😅 I used her for most of my 3rd playthrough and Corentin was more than enough to almost completely self sustain her tp wise, and give her positioning flexibility. As far as Groma, I mentioned that since your strategy revolved around Flanagan (and Serenoa, but that's beside the point) shielding someone and my point about her was using him the same way.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

I wouldn't say I'm condescending here, I am just stating my argument and referencing the deathball tie in to Groma. I'm not elaborating on Giovanna to assert you don't understand how she works, but instead to point out that she has a higher skill floor and also requires more than most units to do what other units can do. She can be used well and do good damage, but it requires more setup and tactics to do it. Assuming you put in the effort to get used to said tactics, then she is more than viable as a unit. Similar to how people rush in with Roland and he dies and they get mad, I'm sure Giovanna is often misunderstood by the average player. I get what you are saying about Groma now, but if she can evasion tank why would you need to quarter damage on her? If anything she would pair better with someone like Lionel who could fury at range enemy mages or endless speech a few of them while she evasion tanks the enemy phys.

[@leapy3165]

Imo Hossabara doesn’t deserve worst unit status, I found that she dealt way more consistent turn to turn damage than Roland thanks to his damage nerf, and then she brought nice utility with her other abilities. She’s far from the best but I’ve found her much more useful than Trish and her dad

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Trish's dad can AoE turn delay, Trish can single target ranged spike and reposition to high ground. Hossabara can....deal weak AoE damage and heal at melee range. Her only standout function is catapult which I think is overrated as this game has small maps so mobility isn't as strong as it is in a game like Fire Emblem.

[@gotaplanstan]

Posting as I start watching before you start your list...my experiences aren't quite as extensive as yours, but it's not too far off. I'm almost done with my 3rd hard playthrough atm. The only 10 chars worth tiering for me are: God tier - Quahaug SS tier - Medina S tier - Benedict, Jens, Milo, Erador, Corentin And the rest of my top 10 (which doesn't include all of who I'd consider A tier) 8. Archibald 9. Maxwell 10. Anna The only caveat I'll say is that I haven't tried doing a solo, or small team, run with Avlora so she may knock Anna off my top 10 (or maybe even break into S tier).

[@k_grovyle6438]

Decimal is very, very broken if you know how to use him. Any levels with a bunch of identical enemies will also all have the same HP, meaning with the right setup he can clear entire maps

[@hecktor2892]

I have some opinions. For one milo should absolutely go in S. I beat rolands route on hard mode and almost always used her as her tempt ability is so strong and even outside of that she can put in some heavy work. Two, hossabara may be niche but travis is always going to be a bad unit as almost all of his skills do nothing. Three personally I think you need a tier between A and B. There are many characters that shoud be moved around. Four this game favours defensive strategies a lot I noticed and so realistically I can’t agree with any mages or archers that are in the second lowest tier. There’s also some other thoughts but that’d be too many.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

If you know how to attack this is not a defensive game. Most archers have single target damage and can't nuke things as well as mages. Some melee units can nuke things, Roland is one of them. Hossabara cannot deal significant damage in order to stand out and her heal isn't good. You can beat any map on hard with almost any team comp, but the difference between being possible and being optimal is clear when running units correctly. As for Milo, her damage is meh, no AoE, her ranged tempt is neat but sometimes sucks in that the tempted enemies attack eachother and it ends on 2-3 of them early so you only CC 1-2 of them. Basically just a worse unit than Lionel, who has more spamable shutdown and massive spike shutdown that costs 7.5k.

[@Caterwaulin]

Just started the video and not that relevant, but with Benedict's Now! And Fe dancers an argument for them is that although you could have another unit in their place them giving another move is versatile if you need more damage, healing or whatever in the moment or giving your strongest character another move.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

TS doesn't have a strongest character though. Now costs 3 TP and can't be used every turn as well.

[@Caterwaulin]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming You're right, this was mostly for the dancers. Also cool video, I kinda skipped over character I hadn't gotten yet, but you got me to reconsider Lionel.

[@pjenner79]

Why not use two turn skill from Benedict on Medina? Triple/quad item?

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Infinite medication?

[@pjenner79]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming I mean there’s a lot of shenanigans they could do.. I was thinking that she could with this combo completely fuel anyones ult combo if you have the gold

[@mjkuhnke]

Only ones I would argue with at all are Julio who is kind of S for the same reason as medina but brings different extra utility and is surprisingly tanky And Milo... You're probably right where you put her but her mobility is just nuts and the big aoe charm can turn the tides really quick. Also, big evasion and surprisingly good damage Julio and Milo can also drain tp which can stop mages and some nasty boss skills Lastly, Ezana I'd put down a tier. Sure her lightning is a little stronger but correntin and Frederica have tp sustain. Her weather messes up Roland and Frederica. Tempest screws up archers and rain makes Giovanna useful tiles even more restrictive

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Ezana can board nuke with accuracy bracelets for 50-80% accuracy I have since moved her to S tier, she has 30% chance to paralyze all enemy units on board: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmrJfYNtfZifbKs

[@mjkuhnke]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming I knew about accuracy and watched your link and it really doesn't seem very "S" to me. The amount of resources you're burning with medina and Lionel to maintain that is kind of scary. In my experience the accuracy caps out ~55-60% and then the stun is only ~30% if it hits. She needs to be fed 4tp and then wait or get her turn pushed for the charge time. It's like a whole team feeding her or running interference for a maybe If I'm going to do that kind of work i'd rather just set up some aoe heavy hitters and do clam-boy resets. Have you played shining force 2 btw? I remember it being a very good strategy rpg and it just popped up on switch recently

[@aliceeeeeeee-r10t]

Mine would be: SS: Serinoa, Quahaug, Narve, Medina, Hughette S: Roland, Frederica, Benedict, Avlora, Corentin, Anna A: Ezana, Geela, Rudolph, Julio, Archibald, Milo, Maxwell, Flanagan, Cordelia, Decimal, Jens B: Erador, Picoletta, Lionel, Trish C: the rest of them lol I dunno, this is how they are for me

[@tommythunder7498]

Jens is too situational period and gimmicky for me (I play startegy not luck base); I would put him in A tier. Medina for me is way to irrealistic throwing potions on people really... and also way too costly (I don't grind except for golden route since you have to use all team members) so she would be B tier. Lionel is the same problem but worst money wise. I would still put him A tier hitting good damage. Erador would stay A tear but I play him for damage (especially from back and with push possibility he is good)! For me Piccoleta is B tier same for gimmicky and frail. I would put Narve in A tier purely for hi to be able to use lightning you can never have enough of lightning users and he as great range. Groma can dodge real good and hits decently hard so A tier is my book kespecially when I used her in golden route playthrough where I dodged tank Gustafolf. Honabara is A tier, can never have enough healers and she can pack a punch single and even AOE also her throw ability gives movement which is great ! Other then that A one for description and analysis.

[@chadgumban3922]

Are there any bonuses if you play on hard mode (regardless if ng or ng+)? Do not want to torture myself getting my units 1 hit by enemies while enjoying my 2nd playthrough

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

There is no upside aside from making the game harder. Which to me is the ultimate upside.

[@chadgumban3922]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming thanks bro

[@chadgumban3922]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming hey bro, just tried new game plus and difficulty is still set to normal. 1st battle with trish and his dad and their damage is ridiculous. So does the difficulty only affects the mental mock battles? The story battles are pre-set to hard?

[@WarMonkeyPlays]

Great video! But why isn't Medina in D tier? (kidding) Personally, Julio is S tier for me for all the reasons you said.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Yeah Julio could be S considering how much he brings to the table, and is even good on first playthrough.

[@KileTaer]

Do auto-revive skills count as a death when going for the no death accessory?

[@ElkaPME]

No, but you can't bring it back with Quahaug's reverse however

[@KileTaer]

@@ElkaPME I didn't know he bring people back to life. Or are you talking about the auto life status?

[@ElkaPME]

@@KileTaer No, he cannot bring anybody back to life, I'm talking about him not being able to bring back auto revive

[@bjohnston91]

Finallllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@1SecondToLight]

decent tier list, nothing even to add up

[@evanschumacher1730]

Would Ezana's Rite of Luck increase the likelihood of Archibald getting the instant kill passive??🤔

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

It shouldn't. From what I've observed, his instant kill chance looks at his level and the enemy level. Luck is not factored in. He is at 22 luck currently with a 50% chance to swift end a same level foe at level 50.

[@114bleachfan]

I think you're undervaling dancers I'm only at the beginning right now but the thing with dancers is they're not just dancing a unit they're dancing most likely your best unit which is significantly more impressive than just another unit contributing

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

That isn't a thing in this game in some FE titles sure but in TS there are a bunch of A+/S tier units and unlike dancers which spend 1 turn to give a turn, dancing in TS requires more resources and is situationally good but on the average not

[@114bleachfan]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming well that is true I would also still make the argument that not are you dancing an S strength unit but you're also dancing perhaps the best S rank unit for your current situation even if they just moved or couldn't get into position where you needed them

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

There is also the TP issue, in FE resources are generally weapon durability, if I burn 4-5 TP to do a huge thing, then dance that unit (for 2-3 TP) that unit still needs battery to do another big thing.

[@LixtianShanghai]

milo is S tier. just need to post up her physical defense a bit

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Milo's durability is not why I put her in A. Failed tempts, bad power of loves where the affected enemies attack eachother, so/so damage are the reasons. Lionel has better shutdown for 3 TP at range, Endless Speech, 2 TP at range, 100% fury, and 4 TP Golden Opportunity, 100% tempt+ huge spike. She is competing with Lionel who is just a ranged version of her for a shutdown role on the team.

[@togameyori6723]

Benedict + Medina + Hughette = instant blind map and he does other cool stuff too and deserves out of everyone in A tier a S tier spot Decimal is B yeah but on some maps he's ridiculously funny xD, like the one cliff map where he can chill at the bottom and hit like every enemy who are above him This tier list is probably 100% how I would rank them except for the Benedict placement I would go even so far to say switch him with Serenoa but that's debatable

[@Georgefloydthesneedster]

Definitly put Anna in SS. She can literally solo some maps, something no other character can do

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

And low key item spam for insane damage :)

[@edsherwood2173]

Damn I was showing Lionel no love

[@dillonjohn7999]

Don’t agree with the tier list but I understand your reason

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

You don't agree with anything in the tier list? What are some things that stand out?

[@Shuraig7]

Benedict is so overrated, as you said you don't want to use a tp battery for him but without tp he doesnt do much

[@bluestar7828]

He base kit is overrated but his welp skill and double turn is great

[@pirateradio2814]

Benedict does need a battery but I disagree and say that he is a good target for funneling tp. If you're going to use him I would do with the understanding that you need to feed him tp. His support his high enough impact to be worth it though.

[@laiyaj8880]

Ncsoft guild wars?

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

ye

[@laiyaj8880]

4000hrs wow. GW was one of the first mmo I've played and I didn't know what a mmo was at the time. I just remembered telling all my friends to come play with me. Lol

[@BTrainStudio]

What's the games you worked on? I'm also a gamedev and would love to see your work. Great video btw!

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Here is what I have so far: www.indiedb.com/games/neptunes-deluge twitter.com/NeptunesDeluge

[@iwangiler]

4 of my main units is your 1st 4 B tier char cause i didnt look up at any guide in my 1st playthrough 😭😭

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

You can still beat the game on hard with anyone, so it's not bad haha

[@GobbsBrown]

Geela and Hossabara have the same durability wut

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Geela is a much better healer and her durability should virtually be invincible with good positioning. Hossabara can get hit with spam/AoE when going for heals often needing to catch heals herself. So far on my fresh save hard deathless run where I do guides for every chapters, I have never had Geela remotely close to death or in danger, and with basic positioning, Geela and Cordelia are virtually untouchable. Obviously this requires the player to understand how to position them to achieve this, but I hate my healers getting hit/needing to catch healing themselves :)

[@GobbsBrown]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming I understand but durability is the ability to withstand attacks not the ability to play safe at range in the backlines protected by other units. By that definition Geela is more durable that Erador. Geela and Cordelia are much easier to keep away from the frontlines but they also go down in less hits. This would be their durability .

[@akumar9836]

Agree with all except izana, should be moved to b

[@jonathanzamora4201]

I played the hard Mode in my first run and Ng+ also and I just want to say that Milo, Erador and Maxwell are S Tier Ezana, Julio and Frederica B Tier Narve, Picoletta and Giovanna C Tier.

[@simongorelik92]

Beat 5 times on hard mode?!?!?!??

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Originally, I think 8 total after I made this vid

[@waddledottz]

Argument against dancers in fire emblem? bad take

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Dancers are overrated and dumb

[@ericfox4391]

Piccoletta A tier? bruh c'mon

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

She can tank when used correctly, waste enemy turns, spam damage items at 6 range with 30% increased damage, can spam AoE for 0 TP every turn at good range and create decoys. Most magic spells that cost 2 TP have 4 range, so something to keep in mind. Do you have counter arguments to any of the points I made when placing her in A tier? kzbin.info/www/bejne/maq5iGaAhNt8fc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJOuhIyFZc-Dpbc&

[@Flareboxx]

Just so you know, I disagree with about 80% of this list 😂 In fact I'd say 60% is objectively incorrect based on the numbers and stats of each character alone, but we're all allowed our own opinions.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Timestamp everything that is incorrect and cite proof as to how I am wrong. Until then, conjecture.

[@Flareboxx]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming I'm saying your rankings are incorrect, not what you have to say about everyone. Every character has their own uses, so it's not like the positives you've said are without merit. No one is completely useless in the game. But I would literally need 30 minutes to explain all of the things I disagree with, and I don't have that kind of time.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

@@Flareboxx You can beat the game with any team comp and with any unit. But this is a tier list for how optimal units are. Just because something is usable doesn't mean it is the best thing, or competitive with stronger options. I am interested in what units are misplaced, seeing as how most things are in A tier and very good.