United SKIDS OFF THE RUNWAY at Chicago/O'Hare Airport!

[@VASAviation]

*Glad nobody was hurt in this incident!* Kudos to the ATC for being quick with those go arounds! ;) Southwest aircraft just slid off the runway at Omaha the day before --> kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXebnHhuesesZ7M

[@BillySugger1965]

VASAviation - Indeed, very similar scenario to Omaha. ATC didn’t give them much margin though, clearing them to land with one behind on a 2 mile final gives them less than a minute from clearance to vacate. That puts an urgency on the crew to keep the speed up right to the end, and if the braking action at the end is less than expected, a runoff is highly likely. Perhaps when it’s icy there needs to be increased landing separation to give people time to vacate more safely.

[@Jasonzw952]

Both were 737s

[@doctorouroboros]

VASAviation - you should make the live atc video of the China Airlines plane that exploded at the gate if you haven’t already

[@EstorilEm]

Who reported "braking action good" Southwest? LOL

[@fhuber7507]

Braking action is generally reported fr the main area where the aircraft are slowing on the runway. It can be very good there but the end of the runway can still be a sheet of glassy ice. Close following aircraft and the lead one has to maintain a little more speed to get to end of runway and turn off in time. Not slow enough for the ic on the portion that doesn't get as hot from the braking of rapid deceleration. He had appx 40 seconds from wheels touching on the runway to when he needed to be OFF the runway when the following plane is only 2 miles behind. Controller's fault for trying to pack in the landings so tightly. Pilot's fault for not telling the controller he was unable to safely make the indicated turn in time with the runway condition.

[@eno88]

I see what you did there :P

[@JeffreyGipson]

VasAviation, I’ve been watching your vids for what seems like a few years now and I just wanted to say that the increasing quality of your production value has not gone unnoticed. Great work with the ATC/Radar animations, and the improved airport animations

[@VASAviation]

Thank you very much, Jeffrey!!

[@ate2fiver]

Yep, them shadows.

[@777pusher]

Just found this tonight! Weeks and weeks booked, going forward😜

[@striker9909]

Your videos keep getting better and better. I like when you had the plane that was talking highlighted. Thanksagain!

[@dpm-jt8rj]

I think this VASAviation thing might catch on! (That was heavy-laden sarcasm, the videos were pretty good initially, they just get better and better)

[@alexandervickas9128]

I was part of the recovery team on this. so glad you posted the act, i really wanted to hear it. thanks

[@VASAviation]

No problem.

[@XPlaneMedia]

United now saving Southwest's ass lol.

[@missamo80]

The new highlighting is excellent!

[@rnbm117]

Love the simulation, you also added the shadow of the aircrafts going around! Amazing! 👏🏼

[@g00rb4u]

But is the shadow at the right angle?!?!?

[@VASAviation]

@@g00rb4u Tried to do that detail as well. This was morning.

[@lostinasia25]

Seems like the landing with long rollouts takes you to end of untreated runways infrequently used with black ice easily formed. You could space arrivals farther apart and exiting 1000 feet prior to end of runway. High movement areas keeps ice forming slower. A/C Speed must be lower for icy conditions after touchdown rollout turns off of runway.

[@StudioDaVeed]

It was noted that all other taxiways were not open. But yes, long taxi to end of runway slows things down.

[@wadesaxton6079]

Same as the recent Southwest... a good chance the pilots of both kept their rollout speeds up to reduce time on the runway and it hit them in the a##.

[@uducful]

Here we go again. Glad nobody got hurt. Southwest first now this... It's a winter wonderland! 🌧

[@VASAviation]

Mid-USA is suffering a hard winter indeed

[@drkatel]

Thanks for the video! We are having a wicked winter in the US Midwest. Driving on ice sucks regardless-for cars, for trucks and for 737s.

[@JamesAMG]

DrKate L. You must be in a different part of the Midwest. I’m in the Chicago area and this is maybe only the second snow event this year and the first time we have seen these low temps. Very mild winter so far, but it’s sure cold out today that’s for sure!

[@drkatel]

James Powles, it's a weird year. I've lived in Chicago but now I'm near St. Louis. STL is getting Chicago's weather, and vice versa. Can you please return our winter? I've got 15" of snow and a layer of ice to trade ya'! 😂

[@mstriker3656]

Great job all round! Thanks for the quick upload, considering this happened yesterday.

[@fhuber7507]

Lets force the pilot to hurry under runway icing conditions. 2 miles behind is VERY close spacing. Appx 40 seconds.... That means the seconds aircraft's wheels were about ready to touch when they called for go-around.

[@VASAviation]

Probably close to minimums there.

[@Adam-ur1qw]

I was thinking the same thing but wasnt victor the last exit?

[@Demonslayer20111]

This is O'Hare. The most used airport in the world. Aircraft land every thirty seconds.

[@lijohnyoutube101]

Demonslayer20111 O’hare certainly a massively busy airport but from seeing previous videos on the topic I believe Atlanta is busier.

[@austinlawler3739]

@@lijohnyoutube101 in terms of passengers, in terms of flight movements I believe O'Hare is busier. They land 2-3 planes at once about every 40 seconds.

[@ysfsim]

I tow airliners at my work and i can tell you when we cross runways they are usually dry as they get treated. As for the rest of the taxiways, they are not as good as the runways in winter and are usually slippery after the plows come through. So its not surprising you come off a runway with good traction onto a taxiway that has poor traction

[@Quasihamster]

And yesterday I wondered why it is always Southwest mowing the lawn...

[@artisteric]

787 autopilot disconnect sound @ 2:35

[@VASAviation]

Correct.

[@LKA-si7ln]

I was wondering what that sound was

[@PilotFun101]

Thanks. Great job! I’m always learning what mistakes not to make watching your channel. Keep up the great work.

[@VASAviation]

Thank you for watching!

[@PilotFun101]

John Morse Thanks! 👍

[@maureenjones5854]

I second that. He does do a great job with his channel. I also agree that's is fun watching your flying :)

[@maespip]

Time for winter tires...

[@bjtourere3318]

Air traffic controllers are doing a superb job under the considering the weather conditions.Runway clearing crew should do the same. Clear runways to end & pay a little more attention to turning areas to taxiways!

[@pr4208]

Lol I recently started working at O'hare Terminal 5 as a passenger service assistant, and I called off that day due to the snow storm and freezing weather. I find it funny that this was in my recommended list despite me never watching videos related to aviation or planes in general. Big brother is watching us 👀😯

[@wkdravenna]

Peace be upon all those lost in this tragedy.

[@VASAviation]

Nobody died here.

[@wkdravenna]

some of them might be scared to fly again. peace be upon them.

[@eternalfizzer]

Good job on the sim - love the shadow so you can tell who's on the ground.

[@VASAviation]

Thanks!

[@Xanthopteryx]

Always nice when the only thing getting hurt or damaged is the pride. I fully understand why 87 (if i remember correctly) asked for the cause since passengers like to be informed of delays and other stuff.

[@xaviation5144]

I think I’ve done enough sliding off runways this past week 🤣

[@wadesaxton6079]

Same as the recent Southwest... a good chance the pilots of both kept their rollout speeds up to reduce time on the runway and it hit them in the a##. They were both prompted to exit at the end by ATC... how many of us have let it roll fast when going to the rather than getting it stopped and then taxing to the end.

[@bensmith9575]

Is it me or is there a sense of deja vu?

[@kermm4184]

Ben Smith southwest did it yesterday

[@drmayeda1930]

@@kermm4184 true but a 737 did go off the runway.

[@srivastavaavinash921]

We pay for whole runway , We use whole runway .

[@martintheiss743]

You eat Tenerife North.

[@nicholasfields4989]

Damn I was looking at that flight when it happen smh. The snow was coming the ground faster than the city can plow it

[@mepizzasmangled]

This is one action packed winter!

[@localizer3195]

not sure what protocol is for ops on departure end of runways in use for landing but looks like the trend would be skidding off the end of the runway because of clearance to exit at one of the last turn offs - as a semi experienced arm chair pilot im sure they do something on their roll out when they know they are going to be going down the entire runway - especially in this case with company behind them im sure crew wants to vacate the runway asap

[@JoeKunsch]

Oh man I was listening to this the other day! I knew you would have a visual on everything that happened

[@VASAviation]

And I did ;)

[@g00rb4u]

What do they do in this instance? Tow the aircraft backwards back on to the runway (by the back gear?)

[@vanessaruiz4705]

well , tower said he was arranging a tug for this aircraft... must be a really powerful one. Not sure how they do it exactly though.

[@DERP_Squad]

@@vanessaruiz4705 They'll lighten the aircraft as much as possible. Probably unload the passengers and baggage at the point where it left the runway and bus them to the terminal. Then carefully tow the aircraft back onto the taxiway and to the maintenance area for a thorough inspection of the gear and related systems.

[@111himan]

Yup, a couple chains and a tractor

[@jackpaulpennington7168]

Great work vas Keep it up 🙏

[@radon360]

When runways are chosen to land into the wind and there's snow on the ground, the far end is almost always going to be slippery. The wind will blow snow onto the pavement from the incident wind direction. That's going to make those areas wet/slippery/icy regardless of what is falling or not falling from the sky. It's not the fault of the pilots, but anyone whose driven on open roads in winter when the wind is blowing can relate to this simple fact.

[@zelo533]

Shit happens, we're only human

[@mikecowen6507]

Thanks Victor!

[@BFFAvgeek15]

I flew on N69816 in April 2016! Had no idea this happened! 😮✈️

[@robertslydell6990]

Somebody call Patroni!

[@Rhaman68]

16 years flying in/out of O’Hare B637/B757/A320 and 4R is NOT a runway to have trailing aircraft that close behind! It’s always an exit at the end and other than in dry conditions, it must be assumed to be slippery due to surface markings and rubber deposits. The aircrew should have not been pressured nor accepted the responsibility to exit quickly.

[@joshr7781]

2019 is off to a great start

[@DanielGomez-ez9bi]

Yea I do works for the city of Chicago on aviation Depatment we saw how happened it yesterday, it was to many snow on the end of the runway. After few hours he was back on track. Thanks god no body wet hurting

[@XionUnjust]

With that type of grammar I DOUBT IT

[@DanielGomez-ez9bi]

My

[@zhenyulu6373]

First southwest, now United. Hmmmmm

[@VASAviation]

Hopefully no one else will :(

[@Jasonzw952]

Both 737s as well

[@tamirpeysahovich8541]

I know right, it’s kind of a weird coincidence

[@zhenyulu6373]

VASAviation - I wish every airlines have already taking steps to avoid this kind of accident. It shouldn’t happens in the first place.

[@zhenyulu6373]

Tamir P yep, really weird. Not saying is some kind of conspiracy but it’s just weird this still happened(two days in a row) with all the trainings and precautions to avoid this.

[@theslipperygecko1]

I think what didn't help is that they reported the braking action good, sequenced a heavy right behind them and told them to exit at V. They probably had more than enough space to slow down and turn off but they would have kept the speed up and maybe attempted to turn off with a bit too much pace.

[@coronapapi]

Props to everyone involved. Hey does anyone know a good online ATC simulator like Openscope that does voice commands?

[@VASAviation]

ATCPro.

[@TrentEngineFan]

I never even knew 04R was used at KORD.

[@lowe442]

Usually strong winds or stormy conditions will drive them to use the 4s and 22s for arrivals. It’s definitely rare still.

[@itsjohndell]

Where's Joe Patroni when we need him?

[@patmcdermott4832]

Two incidents in two days suggest that the end of the runways need better de-icing as I think was mentioned after the SW skid. I agree longer aircraft seperation should be considered by ATC in these conditions especially as the ends of runways do seem prone to skidding in these conditions. Glad no one injured & well done to ATC for quick reactions.

[@JamesAMG]

I kind of agree. On two occasions the controller told the pilot of the very tight traffic in-trail.....you know, basically hinting at no delay getting off the runway. Not the best of situations to be hinting that a pilot needs to expedite. Especially in a 737-900 that apparently already needs a little extra attention on landings due to its higher landing speeds (so I’m told). I’m not disrespecting the controllers as I am one as well, but let’s face it these pilots were pressured atleast a little to expedite in poor conditions.

[@garcia6248]

It was bad outside on that day. I had to work outside all day. I didn’t realize that happened behind all the cargo buildings

[@kenclark9888]

That’s what can happen when the runway is icey and one exit at the far end. It goads pilots into hurrying to get to the end and get out of peoples way. We can all Monday morning this incident until the snow melts. As for me, I’d not hurried so much. My aircraft safety is first

[@North95]

Is everyone still going around?

[@44R0Ndin]

Incoming aircraft were likely sent around and back to the Approach controller (who would likely put them in holding patterns) until one of 3 things happened: 1. The aircraft had to divert due to low fuel 2. The airport opened up another runway for arrivals that is long enough to handle all arrivals 3. The airport got the aircraft that slid off the end of 4R towed to a place where it wouldn't impede normal airport operations (could be a gate, but I think it's more likely to be a maintenance hangar for a check of the landing gear) The check of the landing gear would be needed because even though sliding off the end of the runway at relatively low speed into soft terrain probably won't damage anything, it will still probably jam dirt into a lot of places it shouldn't be, like the brake rotors and on the inside of the rims. Maybe just going to the gate and having the gate crew pressure-wash the gear would be enough, maybe. I don't know enough to know which option would be preferred, so I'd recommend the safer option of having the gear checked out by the maintenance department.

[@richarddaugherty8583]

OK, not a pilot or controller, but my observation... would it not be better to slow down (delay) arrivals in these conditions to give pilots more time for the rollout and vacate the runway? The faster pace seems more conducive to accidents like this and not only cost the airport and airlines money, but end up closing the runway and delaying everyone anyhow. Probably more delay when this happens than if ATC had just slowed everything down to begin with. Am I missing something?

[@misterburkes8364]

Happened again today!

[@bluewaterbottle1]

I have often wonder how exactly they get the plane back onto the pavement after they slide off like this? Do they have vehicles specially designed for this or do they just get a couple heavy duty tow trucks to winch the plane out of the dirt? I know they can’t use a standard tug because they are not designed to go off road, especially in these conditions.

[@cliveramsbotty6077]

extremely careless

[@macjonte]

How do they tug airplanes from snowy grass?

[@paulacc8295]

Thanks for the video!

[@boahneelassmal]

2:30 ATC controlling from a cessna above the airfield?

[@VASAviation]

Hahaha!

[@AndroydFM]

I thought this was a reupload until I realized it was a different airport. How'd this happen again

[@wlhamaty]

What is that alarm in the background when AA87 responds at 02:35? Autopilot disconnect?

[@VASAviation]

Affirm.

[@Cissy2cute]

Honestly I see no blame that can be attributed to the pilots at this point. It's winter and quite possible the end points of the runways are not getting enough treatment. Was funny that the one pilot reported "braking good" but sometimes it's a matter of just hitting the wrong spot.Kudos to VASAviation for the quick reporting. I was just reading about this after checking my local weather website this morning.

[@jfpinkston1]

You make good points.....too many factors to blame anyone yet. I flew into and out of ORD yesterday morning before this happened and conditions were indeed nasty!

[@JP-pf5pz]

Yeah, gee, can't blame the pilots. Just like when my car slid off the road it wasn't my fault at all for going too fast before turning on the winter roads. You can blame the pressure of trying to clear the runway, but no way this isn't a pilot going to fast in winter conditions.

[@00BillyTorontoBill]

We dont know the aircraft speed when they tried to turn...so there is a slim chance they were still going too fast. So I see possible blame although unlikely.

[@Cissy2cute]

@@00BillyTorontoBill You know, I've been thinking about this and ended up with maybe nobody is to blame. There are some circumstances, especially weather related, that just happen. As people, we try to analyze situations-or maybe over-analyze them. In this situation, just glad everything was OK!

[@itzjohnny3117]

Thanks for making this video!

[@VASAviation]

Thank you for watching!

[@JoMiMi_h]

does this mean united still has bad service

[@avgjoeavglife]

No, cause Other Airlines Slide too.

[@gordo1163]

No? Are you blind?

[@avgjoeavglife]

@@gordo1163 I Know United Has Bad Service.

[@Newberntrains]

Passengers in coach got throwing stars to the face

[@avgjoeavglife]

@@Newberntrains They Had To Jump down.

[@MONRFin]

B737 handles very bad, on the ground at least.

[@Butter-or2yo]

Wow even on the ground lol

[@Bl4ckw0lf1]

I'm curious to see something like the full amount of traffic for NYC to see what 10, ten minutes of atc looks like.

[@JamesAMG]

Pat Bubba NYC has some of the busiest and most complex airspace in the world, but keep in mind ORD alone probably handles the same traffic as all the NYC airports combined.

[@Bl4ckw0lf1]

@@JamesAMG I'm just saying that I think that a color coded by airport, ten minute time lapse might be an interesting video. I just don't know what to do to make it.

[@marko4958]

Westjet just did the same here in Edmonton the other day.

[@dynamicsolution8166]

Why aren't there heaters built into the runway and taxi ways?

[@JNelson_]

Because that would consume a stupid amount of power, it's way more efficient to just move snow.

[@Ficon]

So is there something inherently wrong with 737 tires or braking system?

[@Boodieman72]

Have heated runways and taxiways ever been looked at? How do you get the aircraft removed?

[@DERP_Squad]

The costs of installing, maintaining and running such systems would be prohibitive for how often they'd be used. The deicing usually works well enough, it's just unfortunate that there have been two similar incidents in as many days.

[@markgriz]

Pilot must be from California, doesn't know how to drive in the snow :)

[@Arcadiez]

seems to be a problem by the exit of the rwys.

[@curtwhite876]

I'm sure that was embarrassing for the pilot... And frustrating for about everyone else involved.

[@common_c3nts]

Probably a pilot from the south, lol.

[@DJAUDIO1]

Good breaking action and sliding off the runway in Chicago reminded me of Al Bundy on Married with children. "NO BRAKES. NO BRAKES." 😂😂😂 The airports need to treat the ends of the runways against the ice.

[@sulphurous2656]

This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!

[@TheProPilot]

If only they'd watched your last video where we gave sound advice to always leave the Reversers out until exiting the runway! 😁😂

[@arnoldsherrill6305]

Ladies and gentlemen welcome to Runway Skid challenge 2018, presenting our next contestant from United Airlines, but seriously glad everyone that's okay no injuries to report the flying public doesn't realize how big a headache it is during winter to try to get runways and taxiways clear of ice and snow and stay that way especially when weather conditions change almost by the second

[@sophieacapella]

2019 😉

[@meditatingstuff]

How about some background in the video description?

[@yuvrajjaiswal5615]

Hey mate, If possible please upload faster as I'm craving for your videos.

[@VASAviation]

Unable.

[@lewissmiles3584]

Why does the airport have 8 runways? Does it really need them?

[@DERP_Squad]

O'Hare has the most aircraft traffic of any airport in the world. When it's busy there are aircraft landing every thirty seconds at the airport. Having enough runways to handle this level of traffic, as well as having the need to close runways for maintenance means that there are going to be more runways than most airports.

[@lewissmiles3584]

Thanks for the excellent info.

[@DERP_Squad]

@@lewissmiles3584 You're welcome.

[@itsjasontime8846]

Another one??

[@Jasonzw952]

Both were 737s

[@gordo1163]

ok? and?

[@dandelaney2704]

A bad start to the year in aviation, a Boeing 707 crash in Iran (cargo Boeing 707) and 2 runway overruns in just a month

[@Trek001]

Maggie would have stopped it within eight feet

[@Cissy2cute]

Maggie would have put chains on the tires as a precaution.

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

@@Cissy2cute Mid-flight as well.

[@challenger2ultralightadventure]

Happening a lot this week. Good braking on the runway, but the thresholds are another story all together.

[@siddhantsingh8030]

People waiting for 10c desperately to open

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

At least it wasn't Southwest again...

[@matimartinez9583]

Make a video about the Earthquake in Santiago and the after effect

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

Captain Maggie would’ve cleared that turn on two wheels and nobody would have to go around.

[@Adam-ur1qw]

would the pilots get fired over something like this?

[@Newberntrains]

No they go in the back with a bat and beat up passengers

[@HEDGE1011]

Adam No.

[@madbirds]

Good breaking action... guess they need to make a turning action question too. Lol. Cuz bad turning action be wut that was.

[@zuestoots5176]

With all the overruns, you would think they would get the idea the end is probably gonna be slick..

[@airbornemusician2999]

United flights between Chicago and Phoenix must be cursed. Not too long ago a United flight from ORD-PHX had to divert due to mechanical issues. Weird.

[@Marco-wz3ff]

826

[@kyleahoff]

You know it's a bad day when ORD is landing on 4R

[@lancevancedance4900]

Looks like 737 pilots are having their own skid off runway challenge other than the 10 years challenge!

[@realtalk1310]

DJ Khaled be like.........

[@javiercaselli]

Well, it seems like the breaking action wasn't so good after all... Seriously though, it must be a white hell these heavy winter days, conditions may vary harshly in a matter of minutes. Glad nobody was hurt, the plane doesn't seem to have sustained heavy damage either.

[@Xanthopteryx]

Maybe they should come and visit Sweden. We are good at handling winter weather on airports. Especially ESSA.

[@DERP_Squad]

Breaking action on the runway was fine which is what was being talked about. However the areas which are not as well treated by the deicing equipment can be much more slippery. Think of it like hitting a patch of black ice when driving, once you're on it, your a passenger and the vehicle is going to carry on in the direction it's momentum takes it.

[@gabekremer7148]

That's two aircraft doing the same thing in 4 days. You think maybe it's time to pay the controllers and get things back to normal before someone dies. Not faulting the controller in either case but the same situation at two major airports is a bit much. Omaha after southwest went off the airport inspection revealed no good braking action. Last call there was that the 737 8 minutes before had reported good braking action. Think some people dont have there heads in the job cause of the situation at home

[@navdeepreddy9086]

first:southwest(3) incidents second:united(1) incident

[@nbrowser]

hrm seems a bit more runway slide offs occurring lately...

[@HEDGE1011]

Kenneth James Well...it's winter...so that's a trend you'd expect. The last week has been very operationally challenging in the Midwest US.

[@EdgemanLL2]

Meanwhile, Trans Global Airlines Flight 2 headed to Rome is returning to the airport, after a bomb was exploded on board. "Any approach is no good if it doesn't end on 22! We've got an unservicable stabilizer trim. Doubtful rudder control and structural damage. If we cant land on 2-2 there'll be a broken airplane and a lot of dead people. So you turn the screws and tell the airport manager to get off his penguin butt and clear that runway!"