Universal History: The Immortal Emperor | with Dr. Mario Baghos

[@stephengriffith6380]

Interestingly some children I know told me a few years ago that a Greek nun had told them that the marble emperor had moved from his reclining position to sit upright. She told them that soon he will draw his sword.

[@DerekJFiedler]

This talk is loaded with history and symbolism. It's like a term of education compressed into a 2-hour talk. Thank you so much gentlemen.

[@scarnohan]

Two more hours with Dr Baghos? You are too good to us, Jonathan.

[@DaFooling]

My family are Greeks from Constantinople, they all believed with every ounce of sadness associated with the loss of their home, and most iconically the Hagia Sophia, that the emperor would awaken. I can see every single one of them being a part of the crowd that fled to the Hagia Sophia with complete faith the pauper king would protect them.

[@gabriellawrence6598]

09:04 It also happens in Portuguese culture. King Sebastian the First lived in the 1500's and disappeared mysteriously in a battle agains the muslims in Northern Africa. Legend has it that he will return and lead Portugal to a golden age.

[@constantinaliu6160]

What I want to mention is that this motif, in my knowledge, also appears in the traditions of the indigenous peoples, such as the legend of Inkarri, who has been linked to both Atahualpa and Tupac Amaru. By the way, I am a fan of Constantine Palaiologos. I come from China so I didn’t live in an environment of Orthodox traditions. Thank you for teaching me so much!

[@MrZadokthePriest]

The fall of Constantinople on 29th May in 1453 is an epic story worthy of retelling. A watershed moment in human history. The symmetry between Constantine the Great and Constantine XI Palaiologos and Romulus and Romulus Augustulus is uncanny. Pattern echoed in the Romanov line by the first Czar of Russia, Michael, and the last Czar, Michael II, when Nicholas II abdicated.

[@CynfarLP]

What are the parrallels between Romulus and Romulus Augustulus?

[@ronnieman87]

@@CynfarLPWestern Rome began with Romulus and ended with a Romulus. Eastern Rome began with a Constantine and ended with a Constantine. Its almost like it was prophesied from the get go.

[@CynfarLP]

@@ronnieman87 Yes, I totally agree, but when he is talking about a symmetry. I assumed there to be more than just the name. Were there other patterns that manifested in each of their names?

[@ntonisa6636]

Yes and perhaps even more so considering Constantinople's other main defender in those last hours was Giovanni *Giustiniani* (ie. Justinian)... Constantine and Justinian can be regarded as the two emperors that built the New Rome, while Romulus and Augustus were at least symbolically the founders of the Old one... With that being said however some regard Julius Nepos as the last legitimate emperor of Rome instead of Romulus Augustulus.

We also have an example of this motif in Portugal, the king lost in the mist, D. Sebastião!

[@livia3075]

Yeah, and we inherited that tradition in Brazil!

[@taliaflor]

@@livia3075 We did? How? I don't remember any story right now. Can you tell me one?

[@kitchitwee]

1:33:00 This notion of the light and dark duality in the sleeping king symbol brings to mind Guenon's insistence on the necessary juxtaposition of metallurgist/blacksmith with the emergence of the Heavenly Jerusalem.

[@Orandu]

I love the new intro!

[@arthurholmes-brown7104]

New symbolic world video - cool... It's a long one - awesome!

[@davidb4020]

I wanted to check if there was a new video: new video 4 minutes ago on the Immortal Emperor. Good stuff.

[@battleowl3517]

MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!

[@lGalaxisl]

I ordered his book last Monday! Looking forward to reading it :)

[@santiagodiaz3358]

Oof, can't wait to get into this one! I'm making my way through the Universal History Playlist, currently watching the Mystery of Ethiopia!

[@bradspitt3896]

Same, Jonathan's stuff has so many requisites, but it's been worth it.

[@davidb4020]

The idea around 1h30 of "cynicism vs God's action" reminds me a lot of the eucatastrophe: events meant for evil by evil intents of individuals can still be used and turned back by God to achieve greater good. The best example of this is the Crucifixion! Like Dr Mario said, if a cynic temporal leader wants to use the Church but ends up being used by it, it's up to God's providence!

[@anonynony4410]

You can type out a time stamp as it appears and it will automatically link to it, btw. 1:30:00

[@maxsiehier]

15:00 Posterior VS anterior, Cyclical time. 1:16:00 Fall in drunkenness VS seed, reappear as king. 2:05:30 It's patterns, john the baptist is the new elijah.

[@Ac-ip5hd]

Thanks!

[@adamduma3565]

I love this conversation! Keep going!

[@macmudgee]

The church is the temporal expression of Christ on earth and we have been completely demoralized by the false teachers Darwin, Marx and Freud, but we have the King of Kings and Lord of Lord who can breath life back into our dry bones and we the church can rise victorious and glorious as overcomers of this world.

[@Porphyrogen]

Amazing story, thank you !

[@WarInHeaven]

I could listen to this stuff for 4 hours

[@DerekJFiedler]

02:10:40 "the city falls through the circus gate" 🤣 totally worth watching to the end!

[@blueherring9381]

Very strange. I was re-listening to the first conversation with Dr. Mario earlier today and was wondering if he would come on again. Just now I see this in my sub box, twice as long as the first! I'm also fascinated by these "return of the king" stories that you and Richard have gone over in previous videos, very happy to see further discussion of them here.

[@kunkothan]

Love these history chats! More please)

[@eguogwuscholastica8202]

Dr Marshall even discuss this issue, there is a legend even in the Catholic faith, some writing of the saints mentioned this, that there would be an emperor

[@justinhankins7253]

I love all this history it helps provide context for some of the bible that I have a hard time understanding

[@ibelieve3111]

Thanks

[@on_the_journey_101]

I enjoyed this episode

[@iliya3110]

This was excellent.

[@primusinterpares5767]

I loved him in that video game.

[@pontification7891]

I love you guys

[@thingsoldandthingsnew1993]

I would love your perspective on the French anthropologist Rene Girard. His theory of mimetics is deeply influenced by the biblical stories. Would love your take on his contribution to the symbolic world at large. Thanks!

[@kbeetles]

Legend from Hungary-Transylvania: after the death of Attila, rivalry broke out between two of his sons, Aladár, born by a German princess, who was supported by a German prince, and Csaba. After two weeks of battle, Csaba lost and moved to Greece (his mother was Greek) but a few years later they left Greece to go back to Asia except for 300 horsemen who stayed behind in what is now Transylvania. Legend has it that when this small group of people and their descendants are in trouble, under siege or attack, Prince Csaba would come back even from the end of the world to help them in their fight. They were helped out once when Csaba appeared on the Starry Path of the Night Sky with his army of men on white horses and fought for his Huns. This saved them and they were later joined by the other Hungarian tribes that moved to what was called "Pannonia" but the Huns stayed in Transylvania and became the warrior-protectors of the Hungarian Kingdom. Prince Csaba is still expected to return to protect his people when they are in need.

[@ALLHEART_]

Best video topic

[@06rtm]

My favourite sleeping King recently was The King on Netflix about young Henry V

[@grbl8756]

The Imperium in Warhammer 40K definitely has a bit of Byzantine aesthetics to it.

[@Xanaseb]

That and Gothic, which is even more identifiable

[@FiremanKevin]

The soundtrack for that game is excellent. It encompasses all these themes quite well

[@joshuaschmidt4161]

For the Dark Angels faction, their King literally sleeps in an underground catacomb waiting to come back

[@johndale1694]

When you feel the bottom The lowest floor And not die You are free Tell Jordan ❤️😊 You Matthew 🦅❤️🦁

[@alfredosaint-jean9660]

Resisting... urges... of Warhammer 40K jokes...

[@ic.xc.]

Real history is much more interesting

[@rs.matr1x]

I'm just sitting here surprised Jonathan was able to get Dr. Mario.

[@lukasjhdewaal8212]

Joke all you want, but there is a lot of powerful symbolism in the grand narrative of Warhammer 40K

[@alfredosaint-jean9660]

@@lukasjhdewaal8212 Hell yeah! The fate of the Emperor and the fall of the eldar are very explicit cautionary tales about the consequences of abandoning values. The former by radical atheism and the later by embracing hedonism.

[@johndale1694]

Before it all As we know 🤔 There is the Word

[@xaviorjimenez2227]

Just arguing with an Orthodox friend two days ago about this. He said this was a creation of Greek nationalism in the 18th century

[@giannisandriopoulos4599]

Your friend is totally uneducated? Greek was one of the world's first nation's with 4.000yrs of history. The Greeks didn't wait till tge 18th century to come like the Western slaves in order to understand who they are. The Marble king story starts right after Constantinople fall in Turkish hands. Its written all over the Greek popular traditions.

[@xaviorjimenez2227]

@@giannisandriopoulos4599 I agree, I don't know where he got his information

[@sargael]

@@xaviorjimenez2227 Leftist deconstruction

[@IsoMorphix]

^^ Though *nationalism* is something worthy of intense investigation. Nationalist narratives have locked the world into a fixed pattern of clearly defined boundaries, and that sense if history makes us sort of amnesiac toward annythig before like....1890. Maybe even 1960. Your friend might be unhinged, but his impulse isn't 100% off.

[@giannisandriopoulos4599]

@@IsoMorphixmy friend, nationalism in general brought peoples freedom inside their own boarders. Nationalism is not same for everyone. There are some countries of course that are constantly trying to expand their boarders as Germans or Turks for example. Their nationalism is the exact opposite from the Greek one. Greeks want to be free. They dont want invade kill and steal others. The Greek spirit is an ecoumenical & cultural way of way of life. It's how you perceive things.

[@mostlydead3261]

do u plan to respond to President Sunday's critique of u Jonathon?

[@cobalthermin]

I’m not sure a conversation between them would be productive. President Sunday doesn’t seem to be able to grasp Pageau’s medieval framework due to his own enlightenment blinders.

[@on_the_journey_101]

who is president sunday?

[@iandavies2298]

Great work, Jonathan!

[@johndale1694]

Alpha We could recognize and follow

[@johndale1694]

We should look at 🤔 The word became flesh

[@johndale1694]

Before all things If we can We should start There

[@Orandu]

1:20:14 what is the scandal? Can anyone point me to something about this?

[@johndale1694]

This is good But have to always start with Alpha ❤️🦅🦁 Just my point ☝️

[@Brad-RB]

Very interesting

[@anastasiossioulas83]

I learnt lately that the marble king was Ioannis Laskaris Vatacis and not Konstantinos Palaiologos.

[@dikaioskyrios]

My friend told me it was originally Konstantinos but because of the little controversy surrounding him regarding union with the Latins, people looked for an emperor whose religious allegiance was sure

[@anastasiossioulas83]

@@dikaioskyrios I see, I did not know this turn. Both had interesting lives and drive.

[@snowyskylar8821]

Catholic saints also have prophecies of the "great Christian monarch".

[@johndale1694]

Bro Flow Intrinsic 🦅❤️ 😁 Classic 😊

[@Mramidu]

Can you talk about the symbolism about alot of celebrity coming out about not showering. ? Very strange and wierd

[@larkinwalton4360]

Constantine XI Dregasas Paleaologos is designated a holy martyr and confessor by the local Church of Greece and Serbia. Not a "technical" saint.

[@ethanshepard8608]

"universal"*

[@larkinwalton4360]

@@ethanshepard8608 Thank you for the correction.

[@constantinaliu6160]

Wow thank you for letting me know this!

[@johndale1694]

Stillness we may trust

[@valerieprice1745]

Great podcast. The Davidic lineage wasn't severed in Babylon. David's descendent ate at the King's table all his life. It's in the Bible. I suppose you mean the dynasty, instead of the lineage. Solomon rode on David's donkey to be annointed heir. The donkey is the symbolic restoration of David's dynasty, a symbol of heirship of David's throne.

[@gianniruiter2619]

Jonathan. I think the whore (outside) gets joined to the city (inside) through self-sacrificial love. Thereby participating in the glory of God. The ultimate image is the outside being joined to the inside by Christ (partially through us) and participating in the Kingdom. It is the same image of what Christ does on the cross. He pulls in the uttermost outside (the lowliest and gruesome death) to the inside, he himself, in Love, which is at its highest point self sacrificial. Just an idea. Love your work

[@kyledawson4535]

What about Christans who are not able to partake in holy communion because of persecution and or poverty are they not saved or less holy?

[@vanfja]

God has mercy in all and knows the situation of all. Persecution is a crown of salvation and many martyr saints proclaimed their faith in God and were killed on the spot without partaking of Holy communion or even baptism. But too poor to receive communion? Communion is free. There are small towns with Orthodox Christians in Africa, but the Priest has come at least once or twice and gave communion.

[@on_the_journey_101]

we have lots of work to do

[@celienepaul5378]

❤

[@johndale1694]

The intrinsic sign Significant One The Father say Listen To my Son

[@steveb9713]

Ah this must be the next video on symbolism in videogames

[@ParabolicMind]

Jonathan I've been wondering if you have come across Robert c ferrell's work? i think the two of you compliment each other well

[@RonnieLimestone]

Okay this is too weird. I had a dream of Christ as an animated statue, and only learned later he is called a "living stone", in 1 Peter 2:4-5. He even had a gravelly voice, which I was taken back by till I thought about it... He was a stone with gravel in his voice! I've been thinking about all of this Return of the King and the "Once and Future" King. I think the physical champion awakens the sleeping king through purification, participating in His spirit as a vassal and vessel of His invisible will, becoming the material instrument and living emissary of that spiritual kingdom; the champion is the Sleeping King's Son who activates the invisible or "sleeping" or "hidden" world. I recommend John Lundwall's "The Lion-Man: Champion of the Two Worlds" on KZbin.

[@kyledawson4535]

How do you feel about the Roman Cathlic Church and there current Pope? What is the symbolism there? Alot of protestant point to symbolism of paganism in the Roman catholic church and we know there is alot of differences between both major branches of orthodoxy and the Roman Catholic church.

[@johndale1694]

He is ..... With the Father In the beginning

[@mostlydead3261]

teh God-Emprah protecc..

[@universalflamethrower6342]

sleeping on his throne while the woke have invaded his home

[@johndale1694]

Grace came

[@johndale1694]

End of ages Pages Running out

[@Tullerman]

The first time you go all LotR on our ass and it's with dr Mario lol

[@russellhoward3866]

Just started listening. Hope you guys talked about St. John III Doukas Vatatzes, Emperor of Nicaea, & not just about Emperor Constantine XI Palaiologos, who was a heretic.

[@ic.xc.]

How was he a heretic lol

[@russellhoward3866]

@@ic.xc. He became a uniate to secure help from the Catholics that never came. Look him up on any good source & you won't have to take my word for it (or not). It'll take all of two minutes. Also, let me know if you find anything different, as I'd be curious to know.

[@kostpap3554]

@@russellhoward3866 While that's true, 1) his actions can be interpreted to be political in nature, owning to the fact that he postponed enacting the ferrara-florence edicts for as long as he could 2) both in the public conscience and in the sources he is remembered as having had his last divine liturgy in an orthodox way in the Hagia Sophia (interestingly enough, sources say that in that liturgy he communed, while there is no mention of him communing in the uniate liturgy in the 12th of december). Even if one were to call him a heretic by orthodox standards (of which I am not sure because he didn't seem to act as a uniate believer, but rather as one trying to stretch economia to its fullest), he most certainly didn't die as a heretic.

[@CristoMorelli]

They seem to have no idea of Saint Ioannis Vatatzis, is a shame because he's the real deal.

[@kostpap3554]

@@russellhoward3866 For some reason I cannot see your reply to me except as a notification. I did get to see a part of it though. My point concerning economia was not that Paleologos did was right or permissible, but rather that his actions point to someone trying to achieve a difficult balance (receive help from the west without opposing the orthodox) through the use of economia (hence why he himself chose not to commune in the uniate liturgy, while present) and going too far, rather than someone actually trying to promote a uniate agenda. And believe me there were emperors before him much, much more latinophiles than he himself supposedly were.

[@johndale1694]

He waited Until the fullness of the time Then .... Sent forth His Son Born

[@aleccrull4114]

He was a good Catholic emperor.

[@johndale1694]

A mountain 🏔️🌄 A stump 😊 Connect ❤️ In love 🦅

[@DouglasHorch]

He (Constantine) needed to placate the pagans by allowing them to worship him... I see why you guys are among the last ones to like the guy :)

[@jarlnicholl1478]

tl;dr Warhammer 40K is real.

[@alfredosaint-jean9660]

Ill never thought Ill see a video of Dr. Mario talking about Warhammer 40K. A weird yet pleasant crossover.

[@rhb30001]

Constantine created Sunday laws though

[@johndale1694]

Yes you have it In Israel But ... Yes .....

[@johndale1694]

Ok We need to get fish n chips Wrap em

[@johndale1694]

The Word became flesh

[@johndale1694]

They knew Him not

[@DinoRamzi]

Hilarious! Your channel attracted an ad for queer and trans healthcare “so you don’t have to deal with the heteros.”

[@johndale1694]

He came To his own They received Him not

[@plimithsock]

this content is pulling me in to orthodoxy kinda making me dizzy

[@johndale1694]

His brothers did not believe into Him

[@greatmomentsofopera7170]

Where does Jesus say he’s the son of god?

[@greatmomentsofopera7170]

​@Noble Light Haha! But you're wrong. Other people claim it of him, but he doesn't claim it of himself ever. For various reasons it's a self defeating sentence. It's also a feature of many who have "achieved" theosis or illumination, despite the fact that they are experiencing God and are unified in him - they would never claim to be God, because the sense of self is no longer located in a single person.

[@kostpap3554]

@@greatmomentsofopera7170 "Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” and Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of The Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven." (Mark 14:61-62) When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 16:13,16-17) “I watched till thrones were put in place, And the Ancient of Days was seated; His garment was white as snow, And the hair of His head was like pure wool.I was watching in the night visions,And behold, One like the Son of Man,Coming with the clouds of heaven!He came to the Ancient of Days,And they brought Him near before Him.(Daniel 7:9,13) "O Lord my God, You are very great: You are clothed with honor and majesty,Who makes the clouds His chariot, Who walks on the wings of the wind" (Psalm 104(103 LXX):1,3) "Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. (Revelation 1:12-14, 17-18)

[@greatmomentsofopera7170]

@@kostpap3554 Thank you for providing this compilation. That's exactly as I thought. I found it truly remarkable as I read the New Testament that so much doctrine is not laid out in the gospel itself. Never a mention of him being the son of God (from his own lips), only the son of man. He claims to be Christ, but Christ is an appellation/office, something like "the anointed", what other cultures would call a sage or avatar, i.e. the most full realisation that a human being can manage of theosis, beyond any of the other saints who also live in God's life. Other sage/avatars might also be called God by their followers, but they would NEVER claim it of themselves. In theory there could be other Christs, hence Jesus is the name, and Christ his title, though of course these things occur only very rarely in history.

[@shadowlinks99]

@@greatmomentsofopera7170 Did you actually read Matthew 16? Simon saying "You are the [...] Son of the living God" is met with such approval from Christ, that He declares Simon to have spoken this by a divine revelation, and says that henceforth, Simon will be the rock on which the church is built.

[@kostpap3554]

@@greatmomentsofopera7170 Please read carefully what I outlined for you. The Son of Man in Daniel ( which is what Jesus calls himself) is a deity, because He sits besides the Ancient of Days/The Blessed One/The Power ( ie God) -thus is equal in honour- and rides the clouds. This is why I quoted the psalm, to show that cloud-riding is an exclusive divine attribute. So Jesus is calling Himself The Son of God/ God in the flesh, just not in the monolithic way a 21st century proof-text seeking mind (no insinuation intended) would expect.

[@luchador1764]

First

[@silouanlane4767]

Always the most important and under-rated comment.