Monster Ecology : Lunagaron and Garangolm in Monster Hunter

[@Gekko-zm9id]

UHC when he can’t think of something else a monster eats: so there’s all these crabs in the jungle right?

[@Cottonmouth255]

There is only one food, and it is crab.

[@farizkeren5730]

Hermitaurs, hermitaurs everywhere

[@XxTheCupidKidxX]

He's not wrong tho

[@LeoTheYuty]

"dalamadur is too big, what could he eat?" hater's argument when you bring up the crabs

[@takenname8053]

So instead of evolving into crab, evolve to eat crab?

[@latrodectusmactans7592]

For Garangolm, I feel the arm power up gimmick should have been tied to environment. In wetter areas, it should have had water, in colder areas it should have had snow, near the castle it could have blast from buried gunpowder, stone in rocky areas, and so on. This would have better emphasized Garangolm as a “steward of the landscape”. As is, it’s just weird seeing Garangolm always get water moss on one arm and blast on the other no matter where it sticks its arms in the ground. The concept of the monster is that it’s attacking with materials from the environment, but the environment doesn’t actually matter when it’s always the same.

[@giratina6665]

they literally do for this for minor details like with Tigrexes rocks but not here

[@RenoKyrie]

​@@giratina6665Dont forget 2nd Gen and 4th Gen Kushala is also enviroment reliant In non Ice Area Kushala Wind is your standard attacks, but in Ice Areas Kushala actually become a Ice Attacker

[@kennethsatria6607]

I read that it has something to do with its secretions being flammable like swamp gas so I always assumed it knows to light one up leaving embers and keeps the other one as a growth accelerant

[@glasslaughter824]

Unnatural history when has to cover the werewolf and ape: ☹️

[@BoneReaperLagiallosaurus]

Lol

[@ghostshrimp5006]

He’s actually supposed to represent Frankenstein’s monster/Gollum

[@SongbirdOfficial]

​@@ghostshrimp5006The Golem you mean. Gollum is the little guy with a cough from Lord of the Rings :P

[@TornaitSuperBird]

I like how Garangolm uses blast and water as an allusion to one story of the creation of a Golem. Really, Garangolm utilizes all four classical elements; Air (steam), Water, Fire (blast), and Earth (the giant rocks it brings up). According to this story, all four elements are required to create a Golem (the Jewish version).

[@unnaturalhistorychannel]

This does make me appreciate him slightly more!

[@stronghold325]

It's true! While aesthetically he does draw a lot from Frankenstein's Monster, it's probably more accurate to say Garangolm is inspired by Golems as a whole, and the general idea of people creating things from the earth. Mythologically, Golems were humanoid figures made of clay (or mud) brought to life, but in modern-day fantasy the word is now used as a catch-all term for a humanoid figure made of any inanimate material that's brought to life, be it wood, iron, or dead body parts. Frankenstein's Monster (particularly the film version) has had a heavy influence on pop-culture Golems/Flesh Golems, and in a way, he could be considered one himself. Combine it with the general Halloween-Aesthetics of the other two and it's not hard to see why he was chosen as the main design influence. Put it all together and you have a giant Frankenstein Orangutan Golem, playing the part of both the animator and animated, which resulted in Garangolm. Now I'm a very big fan of mythology so I really want to like the guy but sadly just having cool origins isn't enough for me, and I gotta be honest I think Garangolm is a pretty terrible monster as it currently stands. But it'd be a disservice I think not to acknowledge all the effort and thought put into him, even if I dislike the end result. A Golem Monster I think is a great idea for MH, but Frankenstein specifically? I must admit, I think he just doesn't work at all. Had Garangolm been more like a traditional Golem, I think he would've been much better off. But then they also kinda ham-fisted those elements into his fight in very goofy ways (really, you expect me to believe magma is just hidden under the floor of the entire citadel?) that add nothing much at all, so maybe not. Poor thing.

[@RenoKyrie]

​@@stronghold325Also isnt the more famous reason why Frankenstein is made through being shot by Lightning? So i can see Garangolm be a Tool user of Elementals, Alatreon but instead of it being natural Element bending it quite litteraly borrow them

[@Rells2coolpeoplehavebadtastes.]

Rise did a great job with the mythology of it's monsters.

[@RenoKyrie]

​@@Rells2coolpeoplehavebadtastes.Idk about that The Yokais only Goss have majority people liking it while the others are either forgettable like Somnacanth(Until Auroracanth become memorable due to how stupidly designed her fight is) or having people fighting each other like Magnamalo(I mean this Channel is known to hate him) For the Movie Monster, Malzeno(Dracula and to a extent Paladin with Primordial) and Gaismagorm(The Devil) stand out more

[@Adam-gk2mg]

You questioned, when discussing possible prey options for Lunagaron, the possible presence of pinniped-like creatures in the sea and I seem to recall in... Generations, I think, seeing walrus-like critters on the frozen map. Some Googling tells me that in Frontier there was also a large mammalian leviathan which took inspiration from walrus's and seals.

[@unnaturalhistorychannel]

Interesting, didn't know that re: gens. Barioth concept art also has him eating a seal like animal too. Maybe in 6th gen...

[@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform]

Frontier has a seal-like leviathan in the game

[@andrewcrowley6331]

I actually love Lunagaron. It's a sleek and elegant design that even in base form works SO much better as a wolf-type monster than Zinogre ever did with his hulking proportions. Plus, the werewolf gimmick is cool and helps him stand out as we really don't fight too many monsters that have such a difference between their base and enraged form. Garangolm is pretty cool too, I didn't mind his element arms gimmick but your idea of tool use now honestly sounds more appealing. Also I love his design visually, IMO they really nailed the "plant-based giant primate" look, and the frankenstein inspiration is a nice touch regarding the overall European theme of Sunbreak. Also, the interesting dynamic of Lunagarons being monogamous but not hunting or fighting together, plus Garangolms being strangely solitary for what seems like a pretty chill and even friendly monster, could possibly be incorporated into your MH ice age theory: perhaps back then, larger prey was abundant enough in the snowy steppe regions that Lunas could effectively hunt together, or possibly even in small packs. Alongside Tigrex, they would've been among the most common and successful predators on the steppe. Perhaps ice age Garangolms were also more common and operated in family troops like Gorillas, making them a frequent prey item of Lunagaron pairs and packs who adapted to counter their slow, heavy hits with speedy and precise strikes, explaining their surprisingly one-sided turf war (although nowadays a single Luna probably can't kill a Golm just because of all the heavy armor). Once the ice age ended, the sudden dropoff in large prey numbers, including Garangolms who switched to their lone foraging habits to avoid competing for what food was left, also forced Lunagaron packs to do the same. In the new environment that was far richer in small game, the ability to split up their hunting over a wider area became more advantageous for Luna pairs raising pups. This would also explain why Luna's described in-game as a rare monster, as this new environment isn't quite as suitable for them as the ice age habitat they evolved in. But neither Golm or Luna are doomed to go extinct like Deviljho is, because the simple switch in behavior from living in big social groups to smaller ones where they forage alone is enough to ensure their continued survival, albeit in smaller and more spread out populations.

[@baseddepartment7309]

Is no one going to mention how cute baby lunagaron are in the concept art? He needs to be in stories 3 so badly

[@XxTheCupidKidxX]

Glad I'm not the only one that thought Garangolm had only like 4 attacks it ever used

[@sansotandrea4063]

One thing i'll say i really like about Garangolm is his roar, i really like how unique is sounds, there is something oddly primal and viceral about it

[@blackflameenjoyer6557]

I really like his huffing in general, it would have been easy to give him threatening gorilla noises like rajang has, but this gives both more character.

[@TsulaAngenati2292]

I really wish Garangolm was stronger. I don’t know what’s Capcom obsession for downplaying the size advantage of monsters but he would be pretty good if his strength was shown more (and of his fight was streamlined a bit more). His turf war with Lunagaron irks me to my core

[@matthewlee6261]

TBF Luna is taller than garangolm when standing up plus you could compare his turf war with barioth and banbaro and giant brute loses to the swift predator.

[@007accessb4]

because in large part... size isn't the be all and end all when it comes to predator prey relationships. literally the vast majority of land predators tend to be smaller than their prey. size pretty much gets hard countered by simply having better weaponry and hunting tactics, and there's no better example of this than with us humans.

[@TsulaAngenati2292]

@@007accessb4 In those instances said predators either have to use ambush hunting, pack hunting, venom, or they target the young, injured and elderly. Size is a massive deterrent against predation as it is a massive advantage for both deterring and contesting against predators

[@007accessb4]

@@TsulaAngenati2292 key word here being deterrent... not out right immunity from predation. that being said while rare there have been documented cases of a single wolf successfully hunting adult elk, moose, muskoxen, and even bison.

[@afroling2096]

He flat out slams lunagron into the ground and deals no damage. It should be a tie hands down.

[@plantsoup6456]

Lunagardon is super obviously a wolf, but he’s always had very rat-and raccoon-like qualities to me. His face shape is similar to the former and the fact he holds you in his pin says a lot.

[@ErdingerLi]

You hit the nail on the head when it comes to the European monster theme, all three of them, Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, and Werewolves are all mainly about dealing with their humanity, whether it be part thereof, artificial, or occasionally losing them completely. That was where the charm of those three monsters are.

[@ASpaceOstrich]

Sounds like there could have been a great story of some myth of humans being turned into monsters that really brought that theme together. I know its really out there, but theres ways to handle that well. You don't need to ever explicitly say someone was transformed by some curse or whatever. You just make these monsters intelligent, and if you want to go the extra mile, you make the ones we fight clearly afflicted by something that has turned them into their more monstrous themed version. If Lunagaron is not a typical example of its species, but rather one afflicted in some fashion, then the "corrupted humanity" angle works, just as corrupted nature. This is actually present in the vampire one, where the version we fight actually explicitly is a corrupted, monstrous version of a more noble base species.

[@ErdingerLi]

@@ASpaceOstrich As good as that may sound I feel it'll never sit well with the playerbase and fans, since there's literally a decade and a half of lore that we have gone through. The only canon whereby a human turns into a monster belongs uniquely to that of the Fatalis, and he's like the de facto creme de la creme monster for most players. Suddenly having two or three more "human-turned" monsters will just undermine Fatalis' lore too much and take away his uniqueness, which imo he really needs since he is legit just a plain jane European black fire breathing dragon.

[@ASpaceOstrich]

@@ErdingerLi The angle I was going for is that its an in universe myth rather than necessarily something thats actually true.

[@ErdingerLi]

@@ASpaceOstrich Ahhhh like in-universe folklore... apologies for misunderstanding.. 😬

[@ASpaceOstrich]

@@ErdingerLi It's okay it was my bad. When I started the sentence I was thinking literal humans turned into monsters, changed the thought to an in universe myth, and forgot to edit the first part of the sentence to match.

[@m.s.e.advanced2842]

I really liked these two. Odo and Lunagaron are some of my favorite designs and I like them better as wolf monsters than Zinogre. Garangolm is cool and probably my favorite fanged beast but I wish it was a bit more threatening to both the player and other monsters.

[@danielwilson217]

With lunagaron, I imagine the large tail is for balance when it stands on its hind legs. Along with the mh team wanting the 3 lords to have tri tipped tails. Edit: oh, also. Luna being in the jungle bothers me. It's a strong blue and idk how it doesn't get picked off or any pray can escape it. Which is sad cause I want to see a greater diversity of ice monsters in environments outside the ice zones.

[@xiodraco]

I thought that about lunagaron's tail too, but it actually gets smaller when it goes bipedal. I don't know if that wholly excludes the tail as a counterbalance, but you'd think it'd be the opposite if that's what they were going for

[@danielwilson217]

​@xemitheidiot I mean. Ice grows on it for additional weight and I can't imagine it's shape change cause change the actual weight of it.

[@rohanthomas6629]

Luna being able to go to forests and such is explained lore-wise.

[@danielwilson217]

@rohanthomas6629 anything could be explained lore wise. But it still looks as in place as a bull inside a China shop. Banaboro is explained to be in lava areas and the desert. It's in the lore. But no one liked it none the less.

[@rohanthomas6629]

@@danielwilson217 “Lunagaron have an organ that chills the air they inhale, circulating it throughout their body in a unique form of thermoregulation. They can travel long distances and endure environmental changes, allowing them to occupy a wide range of habitats."

[@laddismaximus9535]

“Adding a second individual may only have minimal gain.” Secret third option; a third Lunagaron

[@flygonsarchives]

I always thought the inspiration for the Sunbreak crew from common horror monsters were interesting. I’m just wondering if other monsters could be adapted well in future MH games

[@xiodraco]

I'd love to see monsters based off more modern cryptids. A chupacabra fanged wyvern and a bigfoot fanged beast sound like they could be good springboards for fun ideas (lucent nargacuga invisibility on a bigfoot monster to reference the beast's alleged illusive nature would be neat)

[@jockpackage1770]

Sunbreak's inspiration came from its art director, he was the one who suggested western horror and the atmospheric quest where you fight the weakened afflicted lunagaron on a map where everything else is dead was also his idea. aurora somnacanth is a monster i've always had mixed feelings for, while i love the fact that its beam sweep will adjust elevation to account for ledges it passes i still think a banshee inspiration would have been better for it. giving it sound attacks like tigrex but having weirder hit boxes with it throwing its voice to catch you off guard. the ice monster should have been a western ghostly knight subspecies of magnamalo, a subspecies with a more knight's armor look and using western ghost lore with cold spots and maybe some form of ectoplasm.

[@LilAl-h6h]

Mothman would just be a giant insect

[@Dualbladedscorpion7737]

​@@LilAl-h6h.. Or maybe a birdwyvern of sorts

[@Dualbladedscorpion7737]

​@@xiodracoi think the goss harag could work for the bases for a sasquatch to be a fanged beast. I mean we already got 2 yetis in the MH games (one yeti as a bear, and the other as a monkey)

[@matthewlee6261]

These 2 are my favorite newcomers in Sunbreak, Lunagaron's tail might be for balance to help with its bipedal state plus each of the three lords have unique tails, Grangolm's for tilling the fields to be in line with his peaceful nature and Malzeno's being used as a mace or grabbing opponents.

[@robertmaye8780]

It could be that lunargaron functions like the parents of a group of wolves where the two adults will gorge themselves on a large kill and then regurgitate large pieces of the meat or other tissues for the pups to eat Edit- they could still then freeze regurgitated food to keep with lore

[@whatthebeardoin3160]

Garangolm just felt like a missed opportunity to finally play with a King Kong concept of a truly massive, ferocious ape and instead he's just the fire/water punchy boy who barely moves and has terrible gear. I almost hope he returns with a redesigned, streamlined subspecies or an alternative -Golm type monster in a World-style game where they can play with that concept more properly and give him the threat level a titanic, intelligent ape deserves.

[@merlith4650]

the fire/water fists is definitely a contrived aspect they had to add because they felt like the monster would be too boring otherwise. considering the Frankenstein inspiration, if they wanted it to use elements in some way, the obvious element should of course have been thunder but i guess they realized they already have a thunder-based ape. the only water/fire connection the Frankenstein's Monster has, is that he makes a promise to end his own life by setting himself on fire at the end of the novel, and the last appearance of him drifting away on an ice raft.. but that's quite a stretch

[@joaoaugusto6290]

His weapons looks awesome tho But the armor looks Terrible Lol

[@BiggerBubba]

Lunagaron is a featherless biped, somewhere in heaven Plato is flexing to win an argument

[@Raiders989]

Didn’t think Lunagaron would be aquatic but it’s definitely interesting run you down on land and sea, speaking of sea mind do Namielle next

[@Colton42-d7b]

I like how they make Luna more human is personality like when he misses his grab he gets sad it helps with the werewolf theme

[@RubyCarrots3232]

One nice piece of lore about Lunagaron is that we actually get to see what the babies look like and how they're raised, I wish there were a few pups in the hub that we could play with. Makes me feel kind of bad hunting them knowing how wholesome their family life is.

[@RenoKyrie]

Garan and Luna are deffinitly pretty disapointing, but i mostly blame it for the fact they are in Sunbreak, same syndrome as Glavenus really(Even tho Glavenus is actually good gameplay wise in his Debut) Garangolm REALLY could have done soo much more being the largest Ape Monster we have in mainline, same goes to Lunagaron too At least we did get a image of Baby Lunagaron, thats the cutest Baby mon i ever see

[@purplehaze2358]

Could you imagine a fight in these games whose main gimmick is you're fighting a whole pack rather than just a single monster? Like, not even in the same way the concept has been used already since most of the time you only get one primary monster and a bunch of underlings; a fight with an entire pack whose members are all individually about on the same level.

[@jockpackage1770]

more variety in pack hunters would be really nice. i've been waiting years for a pack leader flying wyvern. if we get snakes again that would also be fun. i'd hope for at least one of them to be within the apex preditor/rathalos tier of monsters. too many pack hunters are entry level fights. a pack of large monsters would be fun. the most we got of that so far was the raths working together and Frontier's wolves that are always in the same zone and when one dies the other stays enraged till it dies too.

[@TornaitSuperBird]

@@jockpackage1770 I want to see a Remobradrome. Would greatly bolster the ranks of the Snake Wyverns, while hopefully distancing itself somewhat in mechanics from Najarala.

[@merlith4650]

there is a glaring problem with that design premise though. you couldn't define those monsters as "large monsters", as they wouldn't be any different from any other pack monster. how would you even hunt them? the completion of the quest would just be a regular slaying quest of "kill x number of monsters". you certainly can't capture them. it would also be incredibly tedious to get any carves, since you'd be killing monsters at different locations and at different times while still in battle. not to mention that balancing such monsters would be a complete nightmare if they were to actually make it a challenging experience. the combat isn't really designed to take into account crowd control or larger battles, hence why all smaller monsters are weak and 3 large monsters at once is the most you can expect (even then, 3 monsters at once is still considered "pushing it" by MH standards). imagine fighting 5-8 bullfangos that are all as tanky as a Bulldrome and who had their moveset expanded to be the same as regular large monsters. it just wouldn't be possible. you might think fighting a pack of large monsters sounds fun but i can assure you it would be anything but fun, it would easily become the most hated experience in all of Monster Hunter.

[@crabby6730]

I think a better way is to expand more on the blango-blangonga fight, although rudimentary in the first fight something i always found amusing was that when blangonga got angry all the blangos also got angry, throwing ice at the hunter as well as attacking a bit faster, it could be nice seeing that behavior expanded with the underlings gaining new attacks as the chief monster commands them via growls or roars or when the alpha monster gets angry they also have their own anger state, izuchi and baggi does something similar too, with izuchi always having at least 2 tiny izuchis with him at all times, but a higher tier monster who's main gimmick is being the pack leader of tiny monsters and leading them could be an interesting addition, maybe instead of these monsters being babies, they could be gendered like the ludroth case, not only finally seeing the males and females of a species but working together with one being the tiny ones and the main monster being the alpha and quest objective

[@jockpackage1770]

@@crabby6730 i always liked the great izubhi fight, the idea is cool originally my hope for a vampire monster in what became sunbreak was instead a flying wyvern that uses a more fleshed out pack leader fighting style like that. i still like malzeno but can't deny that i'm a bit sad that it went the way of another elder and using a similar gimmick to all the 5th gen flagships of damage the glowy bits or else.

[@andreworders7305]

2:43 oh my god, the pups are adorable

[@nickgushard8948]

Great video! Can't wait for when you cover the Whetfish ❤

[@TheVeiledMonarch]

Lunagaron keeps the small monster populous in check while Garangolm keeps the plant life fresh and healthy

[@lashedvenom]

I like to think MH1 was catalyst for my current career in biology. Feels very full circle watching these super logical analysis of all the same monsters that got me where I am today.

[@jockpackage1770]

both monsters are fine. one of the main reasons i prefer garangolm is the fact that he's finally a new addition to rajang's gorilla like shape for the series. that shape had no new additions between MH2 and Sunbreak, a 16 year gap after the first 3 were added, those being rajang, blangonga, and congalala with the latter two having small monsters. bishaten is more monkey like ketcha watcha, it is nice that we got both in Rise/Sunbreak. the elemental fists is a bit odd/indicative of it being the more over the top portable team's handiwork. personally, for fanged wyverns or even flying wyverns, i'd love to see an apex predator tier monster that engages in pack hunting. before malzeno, with the yokai themes of Rise many of us predicted western horror monsters being used for inspiration in the expansion. my hope for a vampire monster wasn't an elder, it was a flying wyvern with wingdrake like bats as servants rather than butterflies. i would still love a flying wyvern leading a hostile wingdrake flock in the future, even more than a wolf pack like fanged wyvern of higher tier.

[@Kevin-hx2ky]

What's even worse is that Frankenstein's monster Adam was described to be more articulate, more *intelligent* than his creator, which would've strengthened the inspiration if Garang was more intelligent... A scholar in a brute's body

[@evodolka]

love these 2, Lunagaron more, i just feel like they handled the idea of a natural Werewolf so well it's crazy Garangolm i like but it has 1 BIG issue with me, i am not a fan of the whole split element arm thing, would have preferred a more location based form change, like int he volcano he has 2 fire fists and in the swamp he has 2 moss fists, i know this would remove the split gimmick a bit but it feels a lot less video gamey, another fix could be if they types on the arms were random that way it;s more interesting than ALWAYS having the left hand go BOOM and the right hand go splash both lacking a theme is a bit sad too

[@brotherpanda]

I like Lunagaron & Goss Garage alright, but they both feel like pared down versions of Zamtrios' ice-coating mechanic. They gave Zamtrios too many gimmicks with the ice tail ax, swimming through the ice, and the puff-up frog ball bouncing, so maybe the designers thought they overdid it.

[@brockschannel3927]

Do you think you could do a video on the graboids from tremors?

[@unnaturalhistorychannel]

All in good time, they’re in the list.

[@CrudDeposit]

⁠@@unnaturalhistorychannelare xenomorphs on that list?

[@stronghold325]

I'm not very big fans of these two but I do really like the ideas behind them. I just wish they'd been better. But maybe they can be improved in the future. More importantly though, all Three Lords are covered at last, congrats! Hopefully they bring the Orugarons into the future games so we can finally get real (mammalian) wolves, especially since they're such great monsters as well.

[@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform]

I heard that Frontier had actual mammalian wolves in the game.

[@biga6664]

I actually like the fact we have weird gorgonopsid esque protomammals of sorts at the moment, but yeah real wolves would be cool too! Odogaron is definetly the best one so far, lunagaron was a real flop for me, Garangolm too.

[@The_PokeSaurus]

I hope you enjoy your break in January. After keeping a consistent upload schedule for over two years I say thats more than warranted.

[@waywardwriterryu7185]

I feel like out of the three lords Garangolm got the short end of the stick, given you hunt it once and it proceeds to stop being plot relevant where as Lunagaron and Malzeno get 99% of the dlc’s screentime, I personally did like it given that the ape monsters are probably the least represented till 5th gen decided to lump them together with the fanged beasts as one category with multiple classifications, though when my hunting party encountered it we proceeded to call it Donkey Kong

[@chaosmorris5865]

Cant wait to see your thoughts on Monster Hunter Wilds

[@vengefulforces7395]

I really like Garangolm, just wish we could see more turf wars where he beats down on his opponent hard to show off the terrifying strength a giant rocky Gorilla should have.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

having one where he just powerbombs Rajang would be neat

[@afroling2096]

@@TheSSBBfan666 knowing rajangs bias I highly doubt that will end well but I could see garanglom stop a tigrex mid charge or wrestle an anjanth after being bitten and dragged through the ground only to lift the anjanth and throw him to the side.

[@NeovenatorGuy]

Finally! Always wantes you to try to explain Lunagaron's strange nature

[@evolvingdragon1793]

Lunagaron probably also takes inspiration from the Wasco a mystical creature with the head and tail of a wolf and the fins a killer whale probably why he has such a big dorsal fin

[@kevine9474]

Wow, i thought lunagaron would be more popular, guess not. Well whatever he's still my second favorite monster next to zinogre.

[@Stroggoii]

He hates cool battle-focused monsters like flagships and elders, and praises simpler animals with environmental behaviors.

[@furyfossil4407]

@@Stroggoii That's the main thing that frustrates me about UHC. He seems to forget that while many things about the monsters are grounded in real-world biology, they're still video game enemies first and pieces of an ecosystem second. Rule of Cool governs their design just as much as the natural world does.

[@austinrowe8]

Garangolm is more based around the Golem,but I can see a little of Frankenstein's Monster in him too

[@unnaturalhistorychannel]

The devs said it was Frankenstein's monster first and foremost that was the inspiration. I thought golem too but they weren't really mentioned.

[@merlith4650]

all of the 3 lords were based of the classic movie monsters of Gothic horror; Frankenstein's monster, The Wolfman and Count Dracula. Rise had Chinese and yokai asthetics as it's gimmick, whereas Sunbreak was Gothic Horror with it's Victorian knights and a big scary castle in a dark forest filled with "goblins" (boggi).

[@sharplosion1]

Despite it's flaws, Garangolm is my favorite of the lords, carried heavily by gorrilas being my second favorite animal. I think the while fire side of it would've been nuch better as explained with fire herbs, and overall even having the ability to use other elemental plants as well. I do really wish it actually won it's turf against Luna, as by all accounts it should've before Luna backflips to freedom. As I think the two should be more like Gammoth and Tigrex, with Lunas hunting Golm young, prompting Golm's hostility to it and using firey plants as Luna-repelant.

[@scorpiopede]

A great video, though if I'm being honest I think implying Lunagaron's tail is built for swimming is being a stretch. Not only is it not properly fluked nor show much musculature to really aid in propulsion, but the bottom fin splits into 2 points which only further reduces it from being hydrodynamic. The only notable thing I can imagine it's for is to act as a counterbalance for when it rears up on its hind legs, which is a rather boring explanation but the only one I can think of that fits. That said, I found myself surprised with how much I like Garangolm. I wasn't a fan of the implementation of the dual element, and for a "Frankentstein's Monster" inspired beast, I'm honestly surprised they didn't give it thunder as an element. But I guess they didn't want an actual good thunder ape to compete with their precious 2nd gen baby. How would you reimagine these two monsters to incorporate the more human elements that their original inspirations had? Personally, it made me think about what these monsters meant towards the human characters, both culturally and part of a greater narrative.

[@DavidGomez-ls6ee]

First! Also a double monster video, did not expect

[@norsehorse84]

Garangolm feels like one of those Rise-Sunbreak monsters that could easily thrive in a more environmental focused Monster Hunter game rather than the combat focus of its origin game. Imagine it being like Banbaro or Tigrex, where the environment dictates effects of its attacks, but unlike those two, because the strata sticks to its arms, almost ALL of Garangolm's attacks would change. Would be a lot of work, but would help a lot. Also, we need to see Garangolm tilling and cultivating patches of land to show it's an agricultural beast.

[@knatkniht]

I think one thing I'd appreciate, is that when you critique a part of a monster, you reference another monster that you think succeeds in that area. Like what would you have liked garangolm's shoulder pads to look like?

[@Edujs23]

Land Zamtrios and Fat Rajang

[@beastmaster0934]

They just released a trailer for a new game Monster Hunter Wilds. It looks absolutely AWESOME!

[@Rells2coolpeoplehavebadtastes.]

With how mammalian Luna is, I think it should've been just a fanged beast.

[@Rells2coolpeoplehavebadtastes.]

@@landenriley8442 Another dume idea as well. Like for the longest times I had no idea what it was.

[@kingofflames738]

​@@landenriley8442they're officially dinosaurs.

[@kingofflames738]

@@landenriley8442 yeah, but Fanged Wyverns are in Saurischia officially. They're not Synapsids.

[@kingofflames738]

@@landenriley8442 it quite literally is in Saurischia, in other words dinosaurs. That's fact. The creators of the series put it there. We know what order and suborder they're all in. The encyclopaedias published with each new game and expansion have a rather detailed phylogenetic tree that shows what classes, orders and families all the monsters of the main series are in.

[@biga6664]

@@kingofflames738yeah but that’s dumb… I’m gonna go ahead and say they’re synapsids, I enjoy these games in my own headcanon anyway, screw the lore!

[@MVGMoe]

Lunagaron has the best cutscene in the game imo.

[@TheIdealofGreed]

9:27 I mean, when their idea of "sufficiently harassed" consists of "stand in their general area and make noise," I don't think the claim of them being gentle holds up any more then it would for a Hippo

[@theferretman2157]

13:46 BOB sitting right next to Garangolm eating a pinecone just to piss off UHC

[@MorgottTheGraceGiven]

I completely agree with your analysis of garangolm and lunagaron taking the aesthetics of the monsters they're based on but not really anything else, making them feel just sorta flat. For lunagaron, I think it would've been interesting to have it be a passive monster in phase 1, or for it to have been a fanged beast related to the palamutes. Something that really isn't interested in fighting you unless provoked. A monster that seems really intelligent and in control. And then have the second phase become this violent transformation into a powerful and unrestrained beast. Just imagine a passive wolf thing that just chills out and maybe even aids you during hunts, but once night falls, it transforms and starts to hunt YOU. I think that would be really cool, and would really lean into that loss of control that werewolves exemplify.

[@PowerBalancetheKitsune]

Lunagaron and of course Odogaron might be linked by a common ancestor due to how similar they look. Plus, if the Ice Age theory holds out, perhaps Lunagaron's ice manipulation could be it using its own environment to its advantage. As for Garangolm, I wouldn't say it's like an orangutan, but perhaps actually Giganthopithicus (might've butchered the name), which could explain it's size. We don't know much on the big ape's socal life much like orangutan Bigfoot, so it could be a parallel to them

[@TsulaAngenati2292]

Gigantopithecus was related to Orangutans and was functionally just a big orangutan that swatted tigers

[@gamecavalier3230]

17:35 He probably would have used watermoss were he introduced in Worldborne, but alas, SunRise doesn't really do environmental interaction, like how they took out the interaction between Pukei Pukei and scatter nuts.

[@unnaturalhistorychannel]

Rise in general just sucking the life out of its monsters :(

[@kevinfiander3616]

@@unnaturalhistorychannel blame the switch

[@indomleon]

I wonder if its more helpful to consider Lunagaron a giant raccoon rather than a wolf. Having flexible wrists for grabbing and small social groups, it makes sense to me

[@DissedRedEngie]

you know, a pack hunting monster would be interesting. Not in the great (insert) monster way. But actually the other lesser monsters being pretty close to the main monster.

[@squirrel_killer-]

Honestly, outside of LR the monster HP gets high enough, even in modern games, that around 7 star quests you could just have 3-5 full on monsters with the HP divided among them that if you made it hard enough to focus fire them due to jumping around and trading places you could probably do a pack fine. Just make sure they attack in rotations and their combos utilize multiple members. If you used Rise style bleed as their status effect it would really capture the feeling that they are compounding on each other's attacks as they surround you.

[@RustyhairedLamialp9575]

I bet if they return their strength will be increased and we'll be complaining that they should've been like 'that' from their debuts.

[@Stroggoii]

The Anjanath effect.

[@DapperRaptor485]

I do wish that garangolm had more presence in the story, it’s role is very brief and we don’t get much to suggest this is a powerful monster especially when the monsters that come before it are literally Rathian, anjanath and goss harag. Monsters I’d argue are far harder than garangolm.

[@Hooy-Jaymay]

I would have much preferred it if Lunagaron when enraged instead of being this ice monster thing, just stood up on two legs, picked up a rock, bone or log and started attacking the hunter with it; it wpuld have at least fit more with the wolf man aesthetic it has going on.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Another great video man. I really hope yiu do the monsters from the Gears of War series. So much potential with that.

[@williamgeorge3111]

I wish Luna, Garangolm, and Malzeno were all treated as equal threats. I just want more non-elders that can step to elders, really. Maybe not win 100% of the time like Rajang vs Kirin, but I want them to at least be able to fight on equal footing.

[@takenname8053]

Haven't been able to play Sunbreak, but learning about the monsters this way is more enjoyable.

[@theawesomestuff2408]

Damn, do ANY of you guys like the Rise monsters? Every comment section whenever UHC does a vid on one is "Yeah it's a neat design but it's a piss easy forgettable punching bag just like every other sorry excuse of a monster in Rise. I hope they make it better in MH6.", this one included. Crazy how I see so many "The combat is the best in the entire series" compliments and then I go to this channel and people talk about it like the only monster is Velocidrome.

[@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform]

Cause from what I’ve heard and seen: Combat wise- Rise is very fast paced and it looks fun. However, I’ve heard some people argue that the fights in rise, likely base rise are rather easy

[@firetools]

UHC seems to have a big preference for Main team monster design, while having more lukewarm views on monsters from the Portable series. With Rise in particular, he once said that as a whole they're his least favorite roster of original monsters so far. That said he still likes a few of them, like Rakna-kadaki and the serpent dragons.

[@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform]

@@firetools Well, his most favorite monster is Tigrex, the most restrained portable monster

[@unnaturalhistorychannel]

For the record, I definitely don't think the combat is at its best in Rise. As a game, Rise was indeed far too easy and I think the wirebug vastly trivialised combat with many monsters having no answer to it. Those who think it's the best probably aren't interested in challenge is all I can say. I like some monsters from Rise, like Rakna and Almudron. But I think even if they had more power a lot of Rise monsters (especially the early game ones) are still either forgettable compared to past ones, unpleasant or feel incongruent with the rest of the series.

[@StygianClaw]

​@@unnaturalhistorychannelI notice that Almudron seems to be particularly well liked among those who don't like Rise and/or its monsters much. I don't know what the correlation is but I find that interesting, as usually you'll see someone say Almudron has a cool design but the fight is too annoying for it to be considered likeable.

[@fluffdafire157]

I think garangolm was done dirty seeing as both frankensteins monster and the golem are intelligent but heavily focused toward there objective or task at hand so itd be nice to see in a future update if they gave him perhaps a grt off me attack where he blocks paths with rocks and maybe also do more with the plant fists maybe make them more biome dependant like perhaps he stabs his hand into the sap mire and gets a sap debuff he can hit you with andbthennmaube throw off the material hes gathered as projectiles like in his tail attack

[@bugwrld8891]

i feel like garangolm is really close to being amazing if certain aspects were just toned down a bit. mostly i enjoy him for being massively different body shape/size to other monsters and his fight ends up feeling pretty different because of that. I just love him being an enormous herbivore ape really

[@successfulfailure1298]

Every time this channel uploads I end up watching every previous video. Great content but like my free time can only take so much abuse

[@LavacasterPare]

Didn’t even know these monsters existed but im sure the video is going to be great nonetheless.

[@diaborodevil3161]

If they bring back underwater combat they should 1 make lunagaron swim and 2 make it so that it’s ice armor affects its underwater combat positively or negatively

[@Dualbladedscorpion7737]

Oh lunagaron is possibly interms of it's monster design and possibly it's behaveral is also inspired by the Beast of Gévaudan, a cryptic wolf that terrorized france somewhere in the 1700's.

[@duwanglover3424]

The more I warcg UHC, the more I want a Pokémon Snap style game where instead of a Hunter, you play as a guild member going out in a Guilie suit to watch and observe monsters.

[@emerald3618]

When I look at Lunagaron all I see is the monsters of Crash of the Titans all melded into one

[@alligatoreamericano3520]

15:20 good luck arguing that with Plato

[@tal-tail1960]

With the mention of Luna having so many aquatic adaptations, I'd love to see a similar species (ie what Radobaan is to Uragaan, I forget the actual classification) that's a lunagaron that diverged long ago evolutionarily to become a completely aquatic predator, especially in a hypothetical MH game that brings back underwater combat

[@andrewcrowley6331]

idk about COMPLETELY aquatic, but something like a semi-aquatic Luna that's deadly both on land and in the sea would be cool, and as mentioned in the video could be the MH version of British Columbia's seagoing wolves.

[@grantflippin7808]

Lunagaron is a werewolf:👎 Lunagaron is a whale:👍

[@andrewcrowley6331]

Lunagaron is a whalewolf

[@menacingpyukumuku4041]

Have you ever thought about starting a Spotify Podcast account and putting your videos up there as well? I’ve found that your stuff is really great to listen too when I’m ubering food around, really entertaining content that doesn’t overwhelm my attention and Spotify helps with doing multiple things on one device? Not trying to sound like an expert or anything but it’s just a thought I had when I was working today

[@1998topornik]

Garangolm would be better if he was just more fancy combination between gorilla and ground sloth.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

So Slaking?

[@andreworders7305]

5:50 Lunagaron occurs in the jungle

[@doverboi-lv3bb]

Honestly I wish Garangolm stuck with the Frankenstein theme by attaching monster parts to its body like Nerscylla.

[@camdenhauck2400]

I think a monkey see monkey do monsters that takes things from the environment to fight you in a similar style to the weapon you bring would be worth waiting 2 or three years for

[@aname4681]

Honestly I felt the opposite ways about the fights as you did, lunagaron was a joke to me I never felt like I was in real danger too often, now garangolm wasn’t hard but it at least hit hard when I first fought it and the armor was something I had to work around

[@funjukebox1324]

I agree!! I find Garangolm harder to fight than Lunagaron but they both aren't that hard to fight overall but Garangolm hits pretty hard meanwhile Lunagaron has like 1 or 2 moves that hits hard...which is the leaping attacks with it's two claws! Still great monsters nonetheless!

[@GNerdful]

I somehow missed this video when it was released but good show regardless of KZbin's weirdness

[@lucasmendoza7576]

Thinking about it, a monster like a decorator crab carapaceon would be really good for a monster adhering stuff to its body and then using said stuff to fight you, such as pulling an old greatsword from the junk pile on its back and wildly swinging it jokingly akin to the "knife crab" meme. Also, when you said piscine wyvern, it sound like you said "pissing wyvern" and I found that a bit silly.

[@tuanminhnguyen9312]

Really looking forward to seeing you analyze Zinogre someday.

[@greendino36]

I didn't play sunbreak but I'm still interested.

[@scorpio0494]

1:13 idk why this made me mad, but watching this turf war made me go into a rant at how lunagaron would be absolutely dumpstered by zinogre. I don’t care how fast it is, their sheer size (and thus muscle) can’t compare to the zinogre

[@stronghold325]

Size isn't everything. The turf war (besides how cool the mutual showdown circling is) does a good job at showing Luna's intended intelligence by having him take advantage of Zinogre's bulk and use it's own weight against it to throw it to the floor.

[@MajungaDude]

I like it mostly cause I hate zinogre and love lunagaron

[@julianswinton5355]

​@@stronghold325In animal kingdom size plays a role. Ever saw a leopard going willingly against a tiger or lion? They avoid them at all cost but defend themselve if there is no escape

[@andrewcrowley6331]

@@julianswinton5355 in MH's animal kingdom the rules are different. Rajang's mere existence invalidates every single "size is the most important factor" argument.

[@andrewcrowley6331]

As said by someone else, Luna's cunning helps it stand up to Zin as an equal. Also, it has one really big advantage that Zin lacks: opposable thumbs, which make attacking and grappling opponents far easier and grant a wider scope of options for it. Plus, the size and muscle difference really isn't that big. Like, at all. They're almost the same size, in fact.

[@greatjaggi9658]

I a think a thunder subspecies for golem that uses its intelligence would really sell the Frankenstein traits.

[@lexrupus4798]

The only shame I find on the two lords is the fact they don't have a theme that's unique to them.

[@toxxicwulf115]

If you haven't gotten around to a Narwa and Ibushi video by August 2024 I plan on Zorahing for it, if you have I guess ill have to choose something else.

[@draw2death421]

Im pretty sure Lunagarons ice armor is there for it to balance on its hind legs since most of it forms around its tail and back

[@TheIdealofGreed]

14:51 Not sure what you mean by that, as I don't think we've had anything to indicate Garangolm are sexually dimorphic enough to say we hqven't seen a female Garangolm. Have we?

[@Aurinor]

To be honest, Garangolm fight feels really similar to Duramboros fight. Like, yeah, you fight some gigantic mountain of a monster, and yet it is surprisingly easy overall. So I guess if something looks tough, it doesn’t really always means it IS really that tough.. As for Lunagaron.. Eh.. I get what they was up for with him, but in my opinion he is just TOO MUCH mammalian looking. Like, take a stylised wolf, then replace all its fur with scales, and poof - you have Lunagaron. It’s like other end of a spectrum of meh (imo) fanged Wyvern designs, where on the other side you have things like Great Girros & Dodogama who both looks like pure reptiles, while the core idea of Fanged Wyverns of Monster Hunter is mixing mammalian and reptilian traits into something what doesn’t look like pure reptilian or mammalian monsters but a clever mix of both those things (like Gorgonopsids for example)

[@Pascal-i6d]

I like the design of Lunagaron

[@mr.rathalos1155]

I saw lunagaron in the thumbnail and thought it was Tobi ☠️

[@doorbox788]

what is that a picture of at 6:04? the citadel? that photo is sick i wanna use it as a background

[@k.guzhvin4952]

That's the official concept art of the Citadel.

[@strongrudder]

I love the basic premise of Garangolm - the peaceful gardener ape with finite patience - but everything aside from that is pretty messy. The magma fist is definitely the worst element for me. It's too much to hope that they can clean him up for some future entry, but still... fun to dream.

[@JohnDoe-tt5qc]

This is off topic for the video, but I was replaying World, and noticed it seems like a lot of large monsters tend to nest around Vespoids. Pukei-Pukei, Raths (both in the Forest and Wastes), Barroth, Paolumu, Anjanath, Odogaron, and I think even more that slip my mind all rest there once you get them to low HP, or actively have nests there. I thought it was strange, because even in the case of the monster actively being insectivorous (Barroth and probably Paolumu,) it seems like a hatchling monster could potentially be seriously hurt or killed by the stings. Especially Odogaron who is vulnerable to paralysis.

[@squirrel_killer-]

I think you got who is nesting where backwards

[@JohnDoe-tt5qc]

@@squirrel_killer- So are the vespoids intelligent enough to purposefully nest near large monsters but unintelligent enough to nest near ones that eat them? I feel like that would make less sense.

[@RoyMcRoyerson]

Would you ever do a video on my favorite monster hunter creature, the Fatalis?