Unredscaled Lomo Redscale

[@StymyParsley]

Legit my favorite film channel and the only one I’m actually subscribed to because the ideas are cool the production is stellar.

[@RentasMcBadAss]

Damn only 1 sub

[@andrewbroekhuijsen6770]

0:48 - "It's nothing special" - proceeds to show the only redscale image I've ever seen that I actually like. 3:04 - Also real nice. Almost thou persuadest me to be a C-41 user.

[@loukashareangas4420]

Yes, but can you trichrome unredscaled lomo redscale film? Great job btw!

[@atticdarkroom]

I definitely should've tried that. I knew I forgot something!

[@andrewbroekhuijsen6770]

@@atticdarkroom Unredscaled Lomo redscale, trichromed and reversal processed in B&W chemistry, then printed as a gum trichromate.

[@21x9Ratio]

Cinestill Redrum is another red scale film, I got a couple rolls last October, hope I can get round to shooting a video about it soon. Love your videos btw! ♥️

[@vonantero9458]

If I've understood correctly, the Redrum is just normal CineStill that was spooled incorrectly. They then rebranded it as redscale, which is actually pretty smart way to deal with the mistake :D

[@21x9Ratio]

@@vonantero9458 yeah I think I heard something along those lines but I mean hey as a once a year Halloween treat I'm not complaining, hope they do it again this year!

[@Cironezone]

They aren’t planning to do it again because it was a mistake, i dont know if you remember the recall from them

[@21x9Ratio]

@@Cironezone yeah I more meant it was excellent marketing so it could end up being a yearly thing even if it was originally a mistake, I mean or not but it would be cool if it was.

[@JonnyRobbie]

My theory is that since redscaling basically throws away all emulsion nuance anyway and is just for memes, Lomo doesn't care about the emulsion consistency of their redscale batches, so they flip whatever is nearest in their warehouse, be it their Metropolis or Color or whatever.

[@atticdarkroom]

That's the conclusion I'm leaning towards. From my experience redscale looks pretty much the same across different emulsions, so this wouldn't suprise me.

[@therestorationofdrwho1865]

That’s also another interesting thing though, if you’re interested, it’s a cool idea to shoot it unredscaled to get unpredictable results.

[@psajgal]

These videos are always awesome. I never even imagined unredscaling a redscale and here we are. Plus we got a cool redscale tutorial, thank you!

[@sveshnikovnikita7936]

I was just waiting for someone to do this for couple years at this point

[@ale_s45]

I can't believe how much I love this channel

[@janmelantu7490]

That first de-redscale attempt almost looks like Lomo Metropolis

[@atticdarkroom]

Now that you say it, it does. Hmm....

[@AndrewJacksonSE]

Looks like it to me too …

[@KiinaSu]

Answering the questions I never had. Let's hope you never run out of these ideas

[@atticdarkroom]

You and me both.

[@coreymagz3145]

the colors on the 2nd attempt are so crazy good.

[@iNerdier]

When you really want to compare a stock I would highly suggest shooting at least one frame of a calibration chart with the same lighting conditions, though I know that's not really as much fun. If the three rolls weren't from the same pack I'd have said it looked like Metropolis redscaled. However, due to the film base not being puke coloured in the other two maybe that's less likely. Or, and given how slap-dash their quality control seems to be, I can see this stuff as being a pile of factory seconds that they just loaded in backwards and it's whatever was in the pile at the time, be it 400, Metropolis or whatever else was going spare that month.

[@atticdarkroom]

I've been meaning to buy a color chart for a while. Definitely would've helped out. And I agree with you, from my experience redscale looks pretty similar across different emulsions, so it wouldn't surprise me if they use overstock stuff or "lightly aged" stock that they have laying around.

[@jayc6170]

Came to the comments to suggest the same. It would make more business sense to throw whatever film is cheap and available into a red scaled package to resell, since I imagine the customers for this sort of film, in it's prepackaged form, aren't expecting consistent or specific results. This is one of those "joys of the unknown" films really.

[@jmm117kgb]

Always excited when I see a new attic darkroom video, keep up the good content!

[@srfurley]

The top layer on colour film is sensitive only to blue light and contains a coupler which causes a yellow dye image to be produced when the film is developed. Under this are green and red sensitive layers with couplers which form magenta and cyan images. After development a bleach bath removes all silver, leaving just the three dye images. The green and red sensitive emulsion layers are also sensitive to blue light so under the blue layer there is a filter layer which blocks the blue light from reaching the other two layers. If the film is exposed through the base this filter layer will prevent any blue light reaching the blue sensitive layer, so no image will be formed in this layer. The red and green sensitive layers will also receive exposure to blue light which they wouldn’t normally see, and the light will pass through the red and green sensitive layers in the wrong order. This combination of changes is what results in the red image. It’s similar to the way that cameras which print the date on the film do it in a red/orange colour since this is exposed through the base of the film.

[@FrankyBabes]

I have used this video to reverse a roll of 120 colour film. Tomorrow I'll be shooting it. Thanks for being a bad influence

[@Cironezone]

Your videos are truly the best, thank you for everything you do

[@nicolasdemoulin7203]

I just bought a 16mm stills camera and this video gave me the idea to get lomo redscale 110 film which is the same size and cheaper than the regular one so I can take color pictures with it. Just need to 3d print some 16mm cartridges now. Cheers!

[@atticdarkroom]

That reminds me, I have a Minolta 16 I've been meaning to try for a while.

[@nicolasdemoulin7203]

@@atticdarkroom mine is a minolta 16 mg so very similar!

[@ViaOjo]

Miss these!!!

[@AleksUsovich]

I know nothing technical about film but wonder if you try it with slide film Velvia or Provia if you would get redish/orange results that would mimic Ektar 100. I'm sure there would be some crazy color casts. I'm super curious about results with Silberra film since it performs reasonably well both as C-41 and E-6 from your video about it. Really love all your videos!

[@atticdarkroom]

I'd assume slide film would come out red. I've never tried it and honestly I never really thought about it. I might have to give it a go sometime.

[@LaskyLabs]

After trying and eventually managing to load 120 onto those hellish stainless reels in the dark, rest assured that I'm never ever going to manage to do red scale on 120 without FAR more patience than I have now.

[@SinaFarhat]

Interesting! Thanks for the research!

[@AeromaticXD]

Fantastic video as always!

[@zouteharing007]

Can't wait when you get the "new" turquoise film from the lomo company!

[@atticdarkroom]

Already preordered!

[@AppleGameification]

Being colourblind the two films side by side looked identical even after you pointed out the difference in film rebate lol

[@Fortnite87463]

Great video, can you push colorplus

[@atticdarkroom]

I'd consider it if it wasn't out of stock everywhere.

[@AndrewJacksonSE]

That greenish base looks a bit like lomo metropolis … maybe they just use miss-spooled whatever they have for the red scale?

[@atticdarkroom]

I'm sort of leaning towards that too. It wouldn't surprise me if they used whatever they had laying around because, at least from my experience, redscale looks similar from emulsion to emulsion.

[@JamieMPhoto]

This one got me, too! I tried this last summer and it wound up like your toasted roll. Maybe it's leftovers or "rough" batches ... I also thought maybe it was leftover Ferrania film that was just too far gone to sell as somewhat fresh. So many possibilities.

[@atticdarkroom]

From my experience redscale looks pretty much the same regardless of the emulsion. If this is a way to jettison off stock, I'll bet most people probably wont notice. Honestly that's a smart business move by Lomo if that's the case.

[@GavinLowndes]

How do you scan Redscale using Negative Lab Pro in Lightroom?

[@CyberCreeper22]

you dindt trichrome it and or crossprocessed it? now thats some epic restrain

[@400ccmiruku4]

Can you try redscaling slide film?

[@cornwestern1689]

Is it possible that there were some light leaks when you un-redsacled the first roll? Some light traveled through the film base resulting in a slight red cast.

[@atticdarkroom]

Light leaks are generally unpredictable, while the change on the mask is even throughout. Its most likely a different film stock.

[@ThePooper3000]

Classic Lomography and their weird specialty rolls.

[@Nuebling]

The first redscale turnaround looks like it got red preflashed

[@nothingaroundus_]

Exactly my type of content hahaha, this was fun

[@mgouat]

I've looked at my negs and the green mask looks like Metropolis. A green mask is not a common thing, other then Metropolis and Purple I think I've only seen it on some slides in c41.

[@TheCocoYouKnow]

some agfa films have a green mask

[@atticdarkroom]

I'm a bit disappointed in myself for not catching that sooner. I wouldn't be shocked if that's what Lomo is doing though.

[@LBCRPhotography]

the first unredscaled redscale Looks like Lomo's Metropolitan film.

[@doctorstrobe]

I had a similar rendering with expired Kodak Gold 200, red in the shadows.

[@RockinParrot]

What will happen if you redscale colour slide film and cross process it?

[@atticdarkroom]

I don't know, but now I want to try it.

[@andrewbroekhuijsen6770]

@@atticdarkroom Color slide film has a pretty black base, right? I'm sure you'd get some kind of color shift, but you'd also lose like 8 stops of light haha.

[@hooptyfilm]

I'm confused. What do you mean by un-redscale the film? Does this mean you take a red scale designed film and shoot it in reverse? You're shooting on the shiny side of the red scale film?

[@danem2215]

If I were to redscale 35mm, should I indicate a -1 for the lab?

[@atticdarkroom]

Either overexpose it one stop in camera or push one stop in development.

[@kewimagix]

can you "redscale" B&W film?

[@atticdarkroom]

You can flip B&W film and it would mostly look normal. You're still shooting through the base so some light loss and color filtration (if the base/mask has a color cast) could happen, but it's most likely very subtle and you probably wouldn't notice any difference. With that said I haven't tried it myself, just seen other people accidently load their 4x5 holders wrong. So I could be completely wrong.

[@BriManeely]

Ok... Stick with me on this one... What happens if you "redscale" a B&W film? Is it just a difference in contrast and tones? Does it do absolutely nothing? HELP ATTIC DARKROOM

[@mgouat]

No effect is unlikely. Most B&W film has an antihalation layer and base that is not clear, so there would be some speed loss. Some antihalation layers have a color, so they probably would change the color response somewhat. Shooting through anything than air usually lowers the contrast. Personally I would rather get some cheap filters. As a bonus you can draw on them with a marker or smear them with fat or wax.

[@atticdarkroom]

Yeah I've seen people load sheet film backwards and it came out looking alright.

[@BriManeely]

@@mgouat thanks for the info (and simultaneously crushing my dreams to be a mad scientist or whatever 😅). I thought maybe, just maybe you'd get a cool effect, but without color I figured it would be pretty tame.. anyway, thanks again! You've saved me a roll of mediocre hp5 😁

[@mgouat]

@@atticdarkroom At least some LF folks have good reasons to expose generously.

[@mgouat]

@@BriManeely I can't think of any way of getting something weird out of B&W film that doesn't involve some mayor pain. Tried some, dodged some and only thing that stuck is infrared, pain it is but effects can be amazing. On the other hand color weirdness is very easy.

[@rastalukee]

you forgot about Cinestill Redrum! :)

[@ryantaylor5297]

This feels illegal

[@koltinn]

no one did this?

[@atticdarkroom]

Not sure, I probably could've googled it but where's the fun in that?

[@revaaron]

yeah, it looks cooked.