Until Then.....

Until Then My Love
This ending made me sob :D
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[@orabijuu8550]

Louise and Mark thought it was the rain that triggers the multiverse's collisions. But really, it was Mark crashing with nicole at the hallway. They probably are always destined to meet later in life

[@YoruShika-vh3md]

Now it make sense , in the first series of the game Mark was in the hospital while having a delusion or he was in the weird hospital. Sophia grandma was calling mark "Its all your fault" which is perhaps a small detail why the disturbance is happening

[@pbyn153]

​​@@YoruShika-vh3md It also foreshadows that the Ruling worsen because of both Mark and Nicole indirectly. Hence, saying "it's their fault"

[@ImAloneHEHE]

At the end they're in the same cafe i think. But I think they never meet in the end but maybe a sequel will come.

[@ioriyagami1065]

I wish a sequel will come but until then

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Agreed

[@crateudemedici]

here's my take. spoiler risk! - - - - - - - - mark and nicole aren't destined to meet that early on. their original meeting was supposed to take place at "tadhana café," which means 'fate.' this meeting was orchestrated by mrs. borja and jake to ensure that mark and nicole could finally have their own 'happy ending.' the fact that they met prematurely caused all the anomalies in the story. in the original and true ending, they don't meet during their high school days. this is likely why the game is titled "until then." they need to live their own lives and find happiness independently until they eventually reach their destined meeting at tadhana café.

[@Reyray3D]

-First ending: > Everybody got to follow there dream's > Mark and Nicole get married > Cathy dies -Second ending: > Mark go's insane > Ryan, Sofia, Cathy, and Louise dies (I swear Cathy cannot take a break) > Depressed Nicole (My least favorite ending tbh) - Third ending: >Everybody got to follow their dreams > Cathy survives (thank God) > Reality did not go boom > *Mark and Nicole don't get together* (I didn't like that part)

[@AstolfoLuna]

I understood the part where Cathy and Louise death but what happened to Sofia and Ryan?

[@Reyray3D]

@@AstolfoLuna they died the same way Cathy died in the second ending (Ik they didn't technically die but screw that if Cathy " *dies* " in the in the second ending then so did Ryan and Sofia)

[@AstolfoLuna]

@@Reyray3D I did some digging and Ryan went insane but idk the issue, for Sofia, ig when she found out Cathy died, she got depressed too.

[@GreatestBard-wj2tl]

i just spoil myself

[@EmilyMraas]

Well tho they're adults at the end they seem fairly young, its the game's 'end' but not theirs, you know. So they may have still ended up together, we just don't see it on screen.

[@poperraka]

Did you saved Cathy? Yes At what cost? Nicole

[@egphish358]

To prevent another canon event

[@kritz9997]

Thats not true tho, in every timeline they bumped into each other. In the final timeline where Cathy was saved they still bumped into each other because they were fated to, in a Tadhana Cafe (Destiny Cafe). Are they acquaintances? friends? lovers? or just strangers that saw each other? Well the timelines clearly show that they have always ended up together married, as prom dates, as people who need one another. There was never a point in the story or game that tells us they weren't meant to be together. Saving Cathy was a huge nudge, but it didn't change their destiny, only delayed it for a different moment in time. The third arc on them making eye contact is the universe telling them "put your love aside the world is literally ending" but because they kept finding one another their love proved that The world hasn't ended yet

[@egphish358]

just a joke from spiderman

[@LaughtT_vids]

​@@kritz9997dude tysm, I was in shambles because marcole wasn't official in 3rd ending😢

[@dmin5782]

I thought it was decently clear they'll eventually end up together once again in the future. There was also that one scene where Mark can choose to run towards his mom (Past), Cath (Present) and Nicole (Future). At least, that's how I interpret that scene.

[@NiccoloPaganini_2]

I want this game to be nominated for the best game of the year, it literally teared me up like a newborn baby,

[@Ijustgothere17]

*"If mark had a billion lives, or lived everlasting eternity, he would choose every single one of those lives to live with Nicole everytime, and he would never get tired"*

[@strxwbkitti]

They went through so many lifetimes together and they still didn’t make it in the end….

[@Cristiferbeast]

I dont want to forget you.....

[@strxwbkitti]

@@CristiferbeastI’ll never forget you ❤️

[@R3nSleepy]

My headcanon is that both of their dates failed and they talk again 🫶 Got this from another commenter from madmorph's vid on it and I support his claim even without evidence

[@strxwbkitti]

@@R3nSleepy Yes! we both theorise that they do actually end up together too. since the ending is left up to fan interpretation. Marcole will forever be in our hearts

[@Gamishini10]

It's an open ending. They may not have met on the true ending's last scene but it doesn't mean that they won't in the future. Many believe that eventually, they will be together again because of the cafe's name "Tadhana".

[@Ijustgothere17]

*"it cant be that bad😏"* *2 days later* 😭

[@hihe530]

This game is the type of game you only play once for the story impacts you like a truck to a MC on isekai genres.

[@JeffersonAres-qt4dh]

The truck!!!😭😭😭

[@aldrinaureus7255]

duude not the truckk haha

[@locatabor3682]

I can't play it again....but I can watch others play it xD

[@louvu6407]

It reminds me heavily of the 'Rascal Does Not Dream Of' anime series

[@1leeek]

I’ll be so glad to see more edits from other KZbinrs about Until Then, it’s been a while since there’s been a game that’s affected me this much on a personal level, I’m a Filipino and it’s extremely rare to see a representation of our culture in such a tasteful way, the pollution is pretty much everywhere on the streets, the fishball vendors, and the sounds of chickens and walis tingting in the morning, reminds me that I’m alive and that I actually do exist and it makes life that much beautiful. If there’s anything I’d want from this community it’s straight-up appreciation for this game, fan art of the characters, video essays, and probably a dedicated page for the game where the characters can be in-depth described by the community based on their own interpretation. My pick for Indie Game of the Year for sure.

[@howardjetsu6054]

omg i was too i never knew how our culture created a masterpiece so proud and so deep the game

[@1leeek]

Definitely wasn’t expecting something like this in this year, but I honestly needed something like this, I never thought that my country would be able to produce something this good, definitely my best spent 500 pesos on my steam account. I wish success to the people who worked on this.

[@Cristiferbeast]

YOOO THANK YOU! And I have more plans for this game, it's nestled into my brain and I plan on showing my appreciation to the fullest 🙏

[@1leeek]

@@Cristiferbeast That’s great to hear, I’m looking forward to it! Keep doing your work!

[@mootugal]

I’m Filipino too and indie games like this show how much our culture looks like

[@al-0127]

The 3rd ending was good even though they did not meet, but hey its an open ending, so players can come up with their own ending scenario. So here's my take on it, i think they really are meant to meet each other, but just later in their lives, they're soulmates, they will meet even without jake and Maria's help, its just that in the first playthrough, with the intervention of jake and maria, they meet earlier, so i think being soulmates are one of the requirments including the eye contact, between mark and nicole, and i think Jake's the one that's guiding mark to meet Nicole so that Nicole can move on, and Maria's the one that's guiding Nicole to meet mark so that mark can move on. And at the 3rd ending when both of them are on their own dates, we see a two butterfly pass by, jake and maria, which i interpreted it to be a sign that they will meet again, maybe their dates will go wrong, or something that will lead for them to meet each other. They are soulmates their cars are bound to crash to each other. I apologize if i have writen a wrong grammar, English is not my first language.

[@Cristiferbeast]

No Need to Apologize, your english was perfectly understandable. This is a great theory!

[@litakagami4339]

"They are soulmates their cars are bound to crash to each other" Oi , cathy is already sad enough . i don't want 4th and 5th ending have to deal with those two tries to save each other like kagerou days 😭

[@al-0127]

@@litakagami4339 real. At first i thought it would be a wholesome game, and i thought the story would be like toradora, but then it got dark at the end of the 1st playthrough as well as the 2nd and 3rd playthrough. Oh, and i think you misunderstood what i meant by "they are soulmates, their cars are bound to crash to each other", what i meant by that is their first meeting where mark crash into nicole at the hallway, which then they use the car and the roads rules and regulations as a Methapor, on their debate whether who is right and who is wrong.

[@6Unknown_Source9]

You can even say that the Cafe in where both of their dates happened is called "TADHANA" which in Filipino means "DESTINY"

[@al-0127]

@@6Unknown_Source9 Yeah, maybe we'll get a dlc soon of them being together while cath being alive (I'm just coping).

[@leonamfarias4295]

You see. I see the first as the true and the "True" as a good ending. Because the first show us that life is what it is, you lose someone and have to move on, you know the third doesn't care about the relationship between Cathy and her family sometimes you just don't get along with your family and may have toxic relationship with them and that's life, you learn how to heal yourself and move on, the scenario where everyone ends up fine seems fake to me. Cathy's dead, Louise feel a guilt from the fact that Mark and her made up the quantum thing and that made mark runaway after her and everything after. Ridel and Mark feel guilt and sorry for not giving her enough attention when she needed and at first comes the denial, then them blame themselves and they forgive each other and move on with life. Life doesn't not about having a "happy ending" but at the end feel happy with the life that you had.

[@AimaruVee]

I absolutely agree. The true ending is nice and all but the first ending felt more realistic and impactful for me. You meet new people and lose old ones, you feel guilty for losing someone but eventually learn to move on but never forget, you learn to cherish the people around you in the present, etc. Mark and Nicole had each other and learned how to cope and be open with one another. Their dynamic in the first route seemed a lot tender and genuine along with realistic conflicts that they resolved together, which made their relationship stronger, compared to their dynamic in the second route where, yes, they were more open and friendlier towards each other in the beginning, but since there was barely any super serious conflict in the relationship, their bond wasn't as strong as the first one. Besides that, Mark was too busy ignoring Nicole instead of actually confronting her about the problem unlike in the first route, where he was willing to confront the issue and own up to his mistakes as soon as possible. As much as I don't like Cathy dying, I can't help but love the normal ending more than the true end.

[@akayone_db9780]

@@AimaruVee bro put my thoughts into words, thank you 🙏

[@lesterantenor1026]

​@@AimaruVeeThe 1st ending is actually my favourite despite what happen to Cathy. The 1st cycle alone is already a pretty good story for Until Then.

[@snekeater980]

my headcannon will always be that the date failed and in the near future they bumbed into each other like in the other lifetimes and recognize each other by how the date failed/screwed it up

[@jesta4767]

That ending was straight up, not fair man

[@locatabor3682]

Ikr but I think that's the lesson life isn't fair...

[@echo8210]

until then has a special place in my heart, i love the relationships between Mark and Nicole, they been intertwined from the start im pretty sure they get together in the true ending

[@RU--AL]

I think, once Mark and Nicole looks eye to eye, they'd go and finally be with each other You can see in the final ending, Mark doesn't even notice Nicole, but Nicole did notice Mark, so if Mark just looks in her eyes, I think something will happen?

[@DaveN8gh5]

well if he did... *both characters suddenly glitched*

[@meeeptheconqueror6759]

"Ikaw pa rin..... ang pipiliin.... kong mahalin... sa susunod..... na habang buhay..."

[@meeeptheconqueror6759]

Translation: "You will be still.... the one I will choose... to love... in the next.... lifetimes..." Ughhhhh this Filipino song is a great fit for this.... "Sa susunod na habang buhay" -by Ben and Ben

[@Reyray3D]

​@@meeeptheconqueror6759 fax (I'm Filipino to BTW)

[@Ijustgothere17]

​​@@meeeptheconqueror6759the 3rd ending tho :((

[@ClarenceReeds]

I'd like to think that after their dates went 'okay' but both still thinking that something was missing, they just crash into each other in one form of another. Cause like crashing into each other was their thing. And somehow just like the first time they met in the first ending timeline, they just clicked in both good and bad way like the time in the principal's office.

[@mondskie_1218]

I hope there will be a sequel to Mark and Nicole.

[@dark_games8732]

I hope too, some expansion or DLC of the game, telling about the grow up life of the characters.

[@aldrinaureus7255]

@@dark_games8732 or DLC playing as Nicole about what happened to Jake and her POV

[@dark_games8732]

@@aldrinaureus7255 We know what happen to Jake, wee his story with Nicole in the "end of the world" part

[@mootugal]

And I’m about to make this go recommended for everyone’s KZbin with all my accounts

[@idontknow56967]

YOO if that guy is not wrong I saw a comment where they said that the date we see would not go well and eventually they will met once more (also because of the name of the restaurant "Tadhana" or fate/destiny)

[@newtimechristian_official]

But Mark and Nicole didn't even met in the tadhana cafe. Oblivious of what they've been done in their past even forgot they've met in the end.

[@reynanlamsen2007]

​@@newtimechristian_official mm

[@kdfunshow]

But they did?

[@idontknow56967]

@@newtimechristian_official from my understanding they would eventually meet once more as they are fated to meet? even though yeah their memories were gone

[@dmin5782]

There was also that one scene where Mark can choose to run towards his mom (Past), Cath (Present) and Nicole (Future). At least, that's how I interpret that scene. Lots of hints for a possible MarCole relationship in the future.

[@nagi8010]

I'm sure they will still end up together at the end or atleast that's what's inside my heart is saying. It might not be in this universe but, someplace somewhere there has to be, where even time and space can't do anything. I hope there's gonna be a bonus chapter or some sort of sequel to this game. But until then, all we can do is appreciate this masterpiece.

[@aljeahcherish1]

I really hope someon posts like some sort of sad edit in KZbin shorts and get it viral, this game is the most Emotional and high quality game I've ever seen, thr Details are just so amazing and the story line is even better

[@element18playz6]

Honestly, i think they end up together cuz in the ending the butterflies were there and the cafe being called tadhana or "destiny" in english is hinting at a lot of things

[@Fhanta006]

Men this really hits hard. I just finished the game today.

[@waterbottlethatalsolikesme1670]

This game brings so much emotions, to the point u almost forget that it's a Filipino themed game

[@hvkbplays_]

This game gives me "Your lie in April" vibes every single time damn

[@lesterantenor1026]

The true ending is very similar to Your Name. The only difference though is that Mark and Nicole didn't meet each other at the end.

[@Pandrew28]

I am literally spoiling myself 😂 also I'm vouching if they make an animated series about it, I doubt they won't for now but maybe in the future

[@MJ03H]

Maybe if this game gets more traction atleast.

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Knowing how this gives me strong vibes of indie game work of media yes it’s possible

[@ImAloneHEHE]

The end is confusing but also hopeful for a sequel.

[@lucid_4353]

I cant handle this. I'm gonna write a short continuation of their dates going wrong and then they end up together, call it cope but I dont care anymore...

[@lone__11]

Bro is undoing the entire purpose of the ending(Honestly speaking i really want them to be together)

[@lucid_4353]

​@@lone__11 I'm sorry, but I will justify and force my brain to think of a reason they meet without causing damage to the universe if it means I get to see them have their happy ending together...

[@lone__11]

@@lucid_4353 suit yourself(Update us if you could write it)

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

This hits so hard besides being a Filipino of course and love indie games this Game just hits bittersweet with that music

[@AnomalyLM]

The slice of life game i needed in my life 😢❤

[@akagisenpai7978]

The ending i Got is where Cathy died from a truck accident..n matter how much i try or play no matter how many endings i discover its still there the pain it hurts like shit i haven't cried for so many years now im crying over a game wtfhddyehevdhid

[@MisterNyte]

That's the first ending. You gotta keep going after the credits to get the true ending. There's 3 endings total

[@Kddd-y9t]

why does this remind me of the anime "To Me, The One Who Loved You"

[@JohnCarlisle-sg2zb]

this made me think about my false life

[@mootugal]

Aight I’m playing this once it comes out on other gaming platforms

[@drakent2378]

Damn don't make my mistake, I bought the game for the cover lmao I really thought I might have something with Cathy and I only got to see her die 2 times in a discouraging way

[@darkest_shade]

This game really pulled my heartstrings

[@itoarataki-bh1rl]

The right person but not the right time

[@Ivix_7]

This is great! Might make a version it myself remixing the topics here.

[@pbyn153]

I want a route where everybody is happy while Mark and Nicole ended up together. This is my cope

[@mootugal]

Oh yea one more thing, this love story about Mark and Nicole shows a lot of events they went through in that timeline and even if something happens they are still together. Rating of this Video:99/100

[@who._]

I really was asking the butterflies to come back when I saw them flying away on the true ending

[@mikhailbolodo1597]

For those dreamers.. in the Ending, Mark and Nicole had dates in the "Destiny" cafe. They're destined to be okay?... They did something and came to get together Okay?? This is not coping!!!!

[@ItsJoshuSan]

Fr, its open ending we can have our own ending. They failed their dates and bumb into each other

[@omlg2021]

Only on cycle 2 and im tearing up already, I don’t think I can handle the rest 💀

[@ironicockxssleep64290]

No, you can't do this to me, I've already cried thrice, oh shi i guess this is the fourth one f-

[@remedy07]

god i fucking love this game

[@ranger4842]

nominate this game for GOTY now i beg you 💥💳💥💳💥💳💥💳💥💳💥💳💥

[@huadoesstuff]

i NEED to play this game

[@Cristiferbeast]

Correct

[@vladimirdwaynekilat1130]

go to a pirate site hahaha

[@idiotic_person14]

you should it will make you cry

[@Sky-d9m]

Gg crying 🗣️

[@Cristiferbeast]

SAME

[@renderingdragon6721]

I feel like the ending(True ending) of the game felt like how i felt during watching the ending of "your name" (srry if my grammar is bad)

[@longtermnewbie7677]

This game got me crying during and after I played the game like wtf

[@Bolalebi]

Future be like: Until Then but the God of Music Controls their Fate (Act 1, 2 and 3)

[@mr.sir.]

Dude Cathy and Mark rain moment broke me, she deserved better than 🚚, she deserved Mark over Nicole. My parents said marry you best friend.

[@Unbent_seal]

Just curious, where's the song from? I dont remember it from the game (or maybe i just havent watched playthroughs long enough) and also if its a song not from the game can i get the title?

[@Cristiferbeast]

L'amour dice Ciao its a bittersweet romantic piece!

[@Unbent_seal]

@@Cristiferbeast tysm

[@makarovbtw1]

Let's see what's the hype is about I'm buying the game

[@makarovbtw1]

I realize it now.... this is a masterpeice

[@JarmaraL]

I get why they couldn't meet at school in the True Ending (as Nicole probably didn't have to move), but still the True Ending didn't really left me feeling anything but a bit of disappointment. I liked the first part of the game the most tbh, the science was getting a bit out of hand later (like why when observed they teleported in and out etc.)

[@JeffersonAres-qt4dh]

Love this❤

[@AWS]

best game c:

[@Soulivine]

so damn sad 🥲

[@G23veutdirevlalestruc]

STOP PLS IM GONE A DEPRESSIF

[@elwen8525]

I wish women were real

[@wizd8m]

May I ask what background music did you use for editing this masterpiece?

[@Cristiferbeast]

L'amour dice ciao

[@shefwnote5436]

I never saw any of the scenes so this is extremely confusing for me 😅I ended up with the timeline where cathy dies but everyone moves on, so I’m curious as to what part in the game you can change to get these scenes

[@user-pq5hv9zd9i]

After the credits scene,the game will ask you if you want to continue or not,then press yes

[@drakent2378]

Good game, however, how the decisions you make do not affect the final result, there are no alternate endings, only different games, and the romance is only intended for 1 unfortunate character.

[@lone__11]

But felt like a movie well spent

[@akimkoo9511]

it's like u watching the la la land

[@Sparkywi]

The game broke me, to me the end is Mark dating Nicole, I can’t accept what I saw

[@ItsJoshuSan]

Its open ending, maria and jake made them meet again by putting them in the same cafe, now the devs allowed us to make our ending, my head canon is that, their temporary date failed and bumb into each other, they are destined to be together!

[@lurrehsinigang2073]

Hanggang Sa Muli :')

[@knightfire965]

I wish in true ending they comaback again 😢😢

[@log9700]

Sa susunod na habang buhay nalang

[@misugami]

Love this bro thankyou •́⁠ ⁠ ⁠‿⁠ ⁠,⁠•̀

[@locatabor3682]

I dont understand why he didnt crash on her or even went on the same school just like all the timelines, on the true ending Kate and Nicole stayed on a same school?

[@Mr-unofficialGabooze]

spoilers ahead! The ruling was caused by mark and nicole's inability to move from the loss, for mark it's his mom, for nicole it was her best friend jake, which caused the events to transpire into the ruling, meaning the grief and guilt by these two lovers legitimately caused the ruling, in the true ending, mark and nicole got confronted by mark's mom and jake in the form of the butterfly, they told them to learn how to let go of that guilt and grief and be free, in which in return the ruling never happened, and since that never happened nicole and kate never had the reason to transfer school

[@locatabor3682]

@@Mr-unofficialGabooze Fuck thank you man, you know i played the game and i always think the ruling happened causing Jake to move but no it was he's parents and they had a fight.

[@Mr-unofficialGabooze]

@@locatabor3682 you're welcome also if you have noticed in the hospital scene where mark goes into a panic attack, the grandma and walls said "it's his fault" hinting to the fact the ruling had happened because of nicole and mark inability to accept their losses

[@SH4DOWPLAYZ]

I dont know what i was thinking but i want mark and cathy to be a couple

beastifer

[@Messiah0000]

What the music name?

[@stylxcity7983]

How do we get this ending?

[@mrshort212]

song name?

[@Cristiferbeast]

L'Amour Dice Ciao

[@mrshort212]

@@Cristiferbeast thanks man

[@wizd8m]

Everybody's gonna hate me once I say this... But I'll rather take the first ending than the last ending. Anyway guys, until then. 🖕

[@Cristiferbeast]

Marcole runs strong w this one

[@akagisenpai7978]

But Cathy?!?!??!

[@wizd8m]

she deserves better parents.

[@pigeonshelby7429]

why the fuck they didnt end up together in the true ending man

[@plplugin2946]

the name of the cafe at the end translated to english is destiny or fate, suggesting they will end up together :D

[@rileysimon7852]

name song or soundtrack?