🧙 Unveiling Larys Strong's Secret : Blood and Cheese | House the Dragon

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@FaithAndRepentance
@FaithAndRepentance 3 ай бұрын
Larys is thinking "No one offs my family but me"..... Dont forget , Luke was a Strong
@gellertgrindelwald4238
@gellertgrindelwald4238 3 ай бұрын
Oh my God O.o
@courtneycherry5582
@courtneycherry5582 3 ай бұрын
😂
@thatmumof385
@thatmumof385 3 ай бұрын
this is the best reason I've seen as of yet... oh deary me...
@AussBosss
@AussBosss 3 ай бұрын
Holy sh*t, that looks really obvious now. Thanks for sharing 🍻
@AMACHiiBiong
@AMACHiiBiong 3 ай бұрын
💡🍻
@christinamcduffie4955
@christinamcduffie4955 3 ай бұрын
Catch Larys’ new book….”If I Did It” ! 🤣
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
The only problem would be narrowing down which murder he'd be confessing to.
@aaroncohen2700
@aaroncohen2700 3 ай бұрын
@@JoeMagicianYes
@tammichenard1024
@tammichenard1024 3 ай бұрын
@@JoeMagician just like OJ!
@popakontas328
@popakontas328 3 ай бұрын
Oh my god lol
@christinamcduffie4955
@christinamcduffie4955 3 ай бұрын
@@JoeMagician exactly!! 🤣
@marjoe32
@marjoe32 3 ай бұрын
Rats all around, yet no King rat found. All toil and turn, while the Rat Kings watches it burn.
@maxgrozema1093
@maxgrozema1093 3 ай бұрын
Helaena, is that you?
@FaithAndRepentance
@FaithAndRepentance 3 ай бұрын
Had he wanted to , Larys could have gathered all rat catchers and had Blood identify Cheese...... if he wanted to
@someordinarydude9147
@someordinarydude9147 3 ай бұрын
Or had the queen identify him. I'm sure she'll never forget his face. I let the show get away with it because I can understand in a fury King Aegon went on a rampage
@burtan2000
@burtan2000 3 ай бұрын
@@someordinarydude9147right but what kind of IDIOT whisperer would allow the king to be near Blood? If Larys were true, he would've done all he could to protect Blood at least until Cheese was identified. However, even if he were true, they'd already learned all they needed: Daemon paid for it. Cheese had naught else to offer beyond satisfying some vengeance. Just as a hypothetical (since we all know listening to Helaena could've prevented it, and then after the fact she could ID cheese), what would've happened if they brought the rat catchers to Helaena to ID the culprit? Aegon - lacking forethought and reason even when calm - would've not held his anger . Since he is stupidly blind to all that his sister-wife says, he would've lacked the wits to listen to her. He STILL would've killed them all. Just to be sure. This temperament makes for a horrible executive. Even accounting for the fact his SON and heir had been murdered in his bed. Few humans could be reasonable after such an event. But a king MUST prioritize his people and his realm. Ned - foolishly honorable till the end - was that one in ten thousand type man who would lie about his nephew after losing the most important person in his life. The type to never seek vengeance on Aerys's kids despite what he did to Ned's dad and brother. This is not a normal person. I argue that Ned didn't fuck up by protecting Tommen, Joff and Myrcella. He fucked up by being unwilling to live a lie and accept his situation. He should've listened to Renly and seized them. Then (after executing the queen) sent the kids far away or kept them close. Close is probably better considering how Tywin and Jamie would react. Okay so I haven't thought it all out yet. But all I know is that yes Ned fucked up, but by being like Batman (incorruptible), his legacy is a fierce legacy. Thousands of men gladly march to an almost certain death just for a CHANCE at honoring their lord and protecting/saving their lord's daughter. When Tywin died, so did all his power. Is it better to rule by love or by fear? I argue love. Or at least, that's what George wove into his tapestry. When Ned died, all the North grew upset. An entire generation will spend what remains of their lives seeking retribution. Out of LOVE for a truly honorable man. But Tywin - the most powerful man in Westeros, one of the best players of all time, when Tywin died, so did all fear of him. Therefore GrrM wishes us to see that love persists even fear is long gone.
@michaellee4276
@michaellee4276 3 ай бұрын
Didn't Aegon say they did this? But Blood couldn't identify the one, so he hung them all. Of course Aegon might have already beat Blood blind, changing what he meant by "couldn't".
@lobomedina6312
@lobomedina6312 3 ай бұрын
​@@someordinarydude9147 Good catch. King Aegon beating Blood to a bloody pulp before he could identify Cheese is plausible, but that still leaves Princess Helaena.
@lephant5
@lephant5 3 ай бұрын
This is a great analysis!
@chysayeh4043
@chysayeh4043 3 ай бұрын
absolutely love the delivery on “who did this? who did - what??”
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
Tom is killing it as Aegon
@MariAnn-vl2ov
@MariAnn-vl2ov 3 ай бұрын
Yes! That ‘What!’ sounded so vulnerable.
@FaithAndRepentance
@FaithAndRepentance 3 ай бұрын
14:26 the maid ran to Larys. Larys controls the new staff, perhaps he dismissed them
@happilyevernever4289
@happilyevernever4289 3 ай бұрын
Exactly. It's weird how she disappeared out of nowhere yet we didn't see any reinforcements coming over anytime soon.
@michaelwhan5797
@michaelwhan5797 3 ай бұрын
Oh I didn’t even think of this
@romaboo2293
@romaboo2293 3 ай бұрын
Thats a really good point!!
@snowwhite1494
@snowwhite1494 3 ай бұрын
if someone is in the castle why are you as a maid running to find the cripple across the castle instead of the nearest guard
@kayb6803
@kayb6803 3 ай бұрын
@@snowwhite1494 Exactly! You saw what happened in Rhaenarys chambers when she was being attacked. Her maid went and fetched the guards.
@tinahs8269
@tinahs8269 3 ай бұрын
Your theory is supported by even more than you say...Next after the "gate of the gods" point should have been Larys convenient exit from the room just as Aegon starts to accuse members of the council. Larys wasn't asked where he was last night because he was already gone...Lucky Larys.
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
Good call! One of the downsides of making timely content for the season is that I can't always catch everything. Luckily, other observant folks pick up what I miss.
@chriswier
@chriswier 3 ай бұрын
Larys is so good on the show because we finally get to see a spymaster unleashed to do all the dirt he wants. Varys and Littlefinger were more or less aligned with good and evil respectively, and since they both had extensive networks, you got the sense that they couldn't make big moves without the other finding out and messing it up. They kept each other in check while in King's landing. Larys meanwhile has free reign with everyone's attention on Rhaenera, so you always have to wonder what he's putting in motion. And the actor does an awesome job of playing him as meek but subtly threatening.
@reiakari
@reiakari 3 ай бұрын
I think that the maid was definitely under Larys' employ. At the start of the episode, he even said as much. Her job wasn't to alert the guards, or even service the rooms...she was gathering intel for Larys. When she saw something suspicious, she went straight to her boss, Larys, to see if she should alert anyone else or to let whatever is going on to play out. The lack of guards around Helaena and her kids is all Criston's mistake. He simply did not want other kingsguard to see/hear what he's doing in Alicent's room. Can't be lord commander of a celibate order whilst simultaneously sleeping with the queen dowager. Not only protecting his reputation, but Alicent would go along with emptying the apartments of guards for the same reason. They don't want anyone to know. The folly is they assumed that they were safe in the holdfast, and that if anyone suspicious showed that the servants would go run to alert the guards looking after Aegon. Unfortunately, those servants they were banking on working as breathing security alarms were either fired by Larys or on Larys' orders to do the exact opposite (they're gonna look the other way & just tell Larys). If Criston and Alicent weren't so wrapped up in hiding their nightly hook up, they wouldn't have left such a blatant opening for Larys and Daemon (or anyone else for that matter) to exploit.
@MrFredstt
@MrFredstt 3 ай бұрын
In their defense you prob wouldn't suspect Rhaenyra would ever allow a hit on kids to take place or that someone would be able to do it without her authority
@daireoreilly2548
@daireoreilly2548 3 ай бұрын
Larys is the little finger of house of dragons
@iisotter8944
@iisotter8944 3 ай бұрын
Not a book reader...But since last season I have had the idea Larys is moving everything into position to rid the world of Dragons. If the children of the forest do have something to do with the whites, then a world without dragons is easier to release the whites on. Lots to include like Larys' connection to the isle of Faces/children, levels of magic in the world, and so on. He is seriously one to watch in the background...great vid.
@eldetailz
@eldetailz 3 ай бұрын
Honestly, the most intriguing thing about this show is trying to figure out Larry’s’ motivations.
@braukbreshears8961
@braukbreshears8961 3 ай бұрын
@@eldetailz that's so true. You have no clue what he wants. Except maybe elevation at court.
@johndough7942
@johndough7942 3 ай бұрын
they did the same thing in GOT....joffrey's poisoning.... during the wedding, before he's poisoned, the camera has a not too subtle focus on The Queen of Thorns......
@akeelyaqub2538
@akeelyaqub2538 3 ай бұрын
A greenseer and a dragon dreamer interacting together is something this show would be stupid not to show.
@sanitizerwilson1599
@sanitizerwilson1599 3 ай бұрын
I think it different things
@MayhapsYes
@MayhapsYes 3 ай бұрын
Joe is suggesting Larys is a warg, not a greenseer. Those are different things. Greenseers are 1000x more rare.
@anotheryoutubeuser
@anotheryoutubeuser 3 ай бұрын
Jojen was a greenseer. Bran was a warg. Joe is postulating that Larys is a warg, not a greenseer.
@MayhapsYes
@MayhapsYes 3 ай бұрын
@@anotheryoutubeuser Bran is both a greenseer and a warg. That's why the 3EC needed him.
@ingenuity2217
@ingenuity2217 17 күн бұрын
You got your wish with Alys and Daemon's weirwood vision
@MarauderM00gi
@MarauderM00gi 3 ай бұрын
I have a connection to the writing team. We watch your videos and just smile. You're a smart guy!!!
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
Tell them I say Hi, I love their work, and I'd love to chat!
@Rajarshi_X
@Rajarshi_X 3 ай бұрын
Great stuff here man. Fire & Blood clearly mentions Daemon had an ally on the Green council itself. I always had this theory that it was Larys. He eventually poisoned Aegon as well.
@Zaezae6875
@Zaezae6875 3 ай бұрын
U know how Alicent says the gods are punishing her for her sins? Maybe this was a way for Larys to also punish Alicent for sleeping with Criston Cole and of course the other reasons as well. This was well put together and I look forward to these videos
@Neddoest
@Neddoest 3 ай бұрын
Larys stated he’d questioned all staff and killed any traitors and then in the same episode, someone on the staff killed a member of the royal family. If this was a poorly written show, that definitely could be a coincidence. HoTD’s writing is excellent. So it’s no coincidence. He a rat.
@baron6588
@baron6588 3 ай бұрын
He wants to cause chaos, why? Because Chaos is a Ladder.
@happilyevernever4289
@happilyevernever4289 3 ай бұрын
Why is Alicent so stupid tho? She should find this alarming, no?
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 3 ай бұрын
@@baron6588he wants to cause the Dance because he knows the Dance will eventually lead to Bran ascending the Weirwood.
@Adamantium93
@Adamantium93 3 ай бұрын
​@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116Yeah, I'm convinced that Larys is working for (as much as one can) the children and the weirwoods. And I think the Targaryen's dragons dying out is the first domino in their larger plot that ends with Bran on throne and in their control.
@baron6588
@baron6588 3 ай бұрын
@@happilyevernever4289 You think Alicent has the bravery to confront Larys of all people? Especially since Larys has a dominant hook on her.
@reignorshine.
@reignorshine. 3 ай бұрын
It would make sense that the guy that wags rats would be aware of the rat catcher at all times. Also I feel that Alicent had something to do with there being a lack of guards like she didn't want to get caught during her sneaky links
@christinestevenson4304
@christinestevenson4304 3 ай бұрын
I just found your channel through this video. I love this kind of speculation using lore, and cinematography to figure out what's really going on! Wonderful video! You deserve a ton of subscribers!
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard! More of this kind of stuff to come!
@heartboyxo2496
@heartboyxo2496 3 ай бұрын
I can't lie that "If I did it" sent me flying 😂😂😂
@warlordofbritannia
@warlordofbritannia 3 ай бұрын
On a white Bronco?
3 ай бұрын
Hot damn ! You got it! I did notice when Larys entered the room and no one looked at him, but that’s definitely a good sign that he’s responsible too! Can’t wait for tomorrow!
@philipglover3295
@philipglover3295 3 ай бұрын
Larys Strong if Grima Wormtongue and Saruman the White were the same person
@may.k_me
@may.k_me 3 ай бұрын
Omg normally i pick up on these things pretty quickly. But while watching the episode it slipped right past me. Tom was acting his heart out and i was engrossed
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
He did wonderfully not just in his performance, but also distracting the audience away from what was going on right in front of them.
@coolremedy6969
@coolremedy6969 3 ай бұрын
Great video as always. Here's my take: The way Larys benefitted the most from B&C is that he got "dispose of" much of the Red Keep staff, and got to personally hand-pick an entire new staff. That is obviously huge for a character like Larys. If he had a part in B&C though, I don't believe we'll ever be told about it. It would be amazing if the writers were so detail-oriented that they included the line about the Gate of the Gods just to give a hint to those with knowledge of Kings Landings layout, but realistically I think they included that line because that's how it was in the books, and it just sounds better, more official, and is more immersive than if he just said "Yea we caught the guy." The fact that Daemon has not yet taken Harrenhall was likely an oversight or just something they didn't care too much about because the vast majority of viewers wouldn't see any issue. Larys catching the killer also get's him in Aegon's good graces, and the camera focusing on him during Aegon's speech I think was more to represent how Larys takes advantage of tragedies, and showing him entering with his calm demeaner while the King breaks down is great symbolism on that front. I think publicly hanging the rat-catchers was big for Larys too, because he knew it would sow discord between Otto and Aegon, and he wants that badge. And I think much of the staff being absent during the killing had more to do with Alicent and Cole than it did with Larys. They would've wanted privacy and likely had minimal staff in the upstairs quarters. It would just add to the guilt they already feel for letting it happen, but that's probably another thing that won't be directly addressed in the show. I can't see the show making Larys a skin-changer(even though I love that theory), just because having him control rats, maybe even having a little pet rat that he pets, would be a bit cartoonish for the vibe of the show. I do think the amount Larys benefits from B&C is awfully sus, but from the famous conversation between the two characters Larys is most often compared to, we know that "chaos is a ladder," and we are being shown how Larys takes advantage of these situations.
@rayfinkle2662
@rayfinkle2662 3 ай бұрын
Larys benefitted so much from the murder. You can't convince me he didn't have a grubby little hand in it.
@williamhermann6635
@williamhermann6635 3 ай бұрын
Im starting to think Larys and Alys Rivers are in league. No real motive other than to cause chaos and death in the name of the Old Gods.
@MrFredstt
@MrFredstt 3 ай бұрын
This would be so cool
@williamhermann6635
@williamhermann6635 3 ай бұрын
@@MrFredstt I think so too
@MrFredstt
@MrFredstt 3 ай бұрын
@@williamhermann6635 It would make sense in a way too since both characters seem to be magical, secretive, and their motivations unknown and confusing. They're very similar characters and perhaps that's done on purpose
@williamhermann6635
@williamhermann6635 3 ай бұрын
@@MrFredstt Larys is a Strong and Alys is believed to be a Strong bastard, Larys is the Lord of Harrenhall and Alys appears at Harrenhall, Alys and Larys are nearly anagrams of each other, and both are obvious old god magic users. Its like they're cut from the same cloth.
@Seraphina93
@Seraphina93 3 ай бұрын
Names are super alike too. Weird
@deeann1227
@deeann1227 3 ай бұрын
I think Helana knows something is up with the rats. She kept mentioning them could’ve been from b&c or she can sense they’re being watched through them.
@JohnnyCatFitz
@JohnnyCatFitz 3 ай бұрын
Too right!
@cinnamonboy4266
@cinnamonboy4266 3 ай бұрын
Larys knowing the name of cheese but wouldnt say it so aegon would make the call of killing all the rat catchers then otto gets pissed off at aegon while aegon have that idea "otto was your dad hand" that larys himself gave him that idea 💀 your theory makes sense specially in the books the royal family was heavily guarded but they change that into empty and make cole have s*x with alicent cuz larys cannot control cole but maybe he can with the other royal guards 🤔🤔
@Rocsanna
@Rocsanna 3 ай бұрын
I absolutely love this analysis and speculation, I think it's spot on! As always, your videos are top notch! ❤ Also, apart from that, I couldn't be happier with this show, and finally having a proper nerd in charge. Ryan loves the source material as much as all of us, and is giving us all kinds of little gems like these.
@Persephone_Personified
@Persephone_Personified 3 ай бұрын
Hmmmm Larys snuck in the room QUIET AS A MOUSE. clever 😮
@DD-ok2pt
@DD-ok2pt 3 ай бұрын
Great vid. That was my question, would cats hinder Larys’s spy network? Wouldn’t hundreds of cats be way more efficient at killing rats than men? Even if he wargs into the cats they are not as inconspicuous as the rats. The rats were everywhere in the rooms above the beds etc, place that cats may not be allowed. Also this is the origin story of the cats in the Red Keep that Arya 100+ years later is seen chasing. IIRC later with Arya the cats were mainly in the “basement” of the Red Keep not so much on the upper levels.
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
Yeah it could be a bit of whoopsie by Larys, gets rid of the rat catchers to make a bigger problem for himself. But as I said, skinchangers can use cats so maybe he would just adapt.
@thing_under_the_stairs
@thing_under_the_stairs 3 ай бұрын
Have you ever lived with cats? Those furry bastards can get *everywhere*, especially in a big castle full of tunnels, while they're being controlled by a sinister skinchanger. And people generally mind having a cat hanging out in the room with them far less than noticing a rat nearby - Larry could just curl up on a pillow and openly spy on anyone as a cat, or even curl up and nap on Alicent's lovely feet!
@hugolouessard3914
@hugolouessard3914 3 ай бұрын
But cats have the advantage that people like them more than rats. So it could be easier to get near people
@thing_under_the_stairs
@thing_under_the_stairs 3 ай бұрын
@@hugolouessard3914 Lol, I just made the exact same reply! People *like* cats, and *enjoy* having the little fuzzbutts around. As long as Larys isn't limited to skinchanging rats, he's got it made in a castle full of kitties! I hope he likes ear scritchies and tummy rubs...
@NeverenCH
@NeverenCH 3 ай бұрын
Holy Fuck... this makes so much sense. I was wondering why they kept bringing up the Rats on Screen in Season 1, and now thinking that it was Larys the whole time, spying on the queen and everyone... damn. Valid Theory.
@dannieRivers003
@dannieRivers003 3 ай бұрын
He gives me little finger vibes. So I definitely agree he knew and is up to no good at all behind the scenes.
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 3 ай бұрын
He’s much better than little finger. Little finger and Varys are children compared to Larry
@sanitizerwilson1599
@sanitizerwilson1599 3 ай бұрын
Little Finger doesn't any Greenseer alibies. If he did he would left Winterfell as soon the Bran said Chaos is a Ladder.
@pagingdrbitchcraft
@pagingdrbitchcraft 3 ай бұрын
I’d venture to say he’s more akin to Varys. Opposite sides of the same coin. Manipulating the realm from the shadows while playing their roles. Littlefinger wanted to shine and blow minds. Get the girl. Be the one left standing.
@thing_under_the_stairs
@thing_under_the_stairs 3 ай бұрын
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Just look at the names: Littlefinger + Varys = Larys. He's the best of both schemers.
@NicoleStevensHays11x
@NicoleStevensHays11x 3 ай бұрын
@@thing_under_the_stairsomg! Nice catch!!!!!
@jeff4son
@jeff4son 3 ай бұрын
The measure of a man is not in what he possesses, but in what he can create. - King Rat
@kayb6803
@kayb6803 3 ай бұрын
When Haelena said she feared the rats, honestly the first thing that went through my mind was the rat-spys in the palace as well as their King, Larys. But the next scene cut to the rat catchers and my mind followed that red herring.
@ArielEveMachado
@ArielEveMachado 3 ай бұрын
Always love your videos about Larys!
@childofpersia1213
@childofpersia1213 3 ай бұрын
9:29 nice Dennis Renyolds shoutout 😉⛓️
@Emwills
@Emwills 3 ай бұрын
Great analysis…again! But am commenting because I love the out-tro music 🎵 my favorite use you made of this music was showing Maester Pycelle ‘dancing’ in his bedroom shift after sending away his sex worker. Hilarious!!! But can’t find that video on your channel again. Does anyone know where it is?? Thx love your channel Sooo happy you’re back!
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
I can't remember honestly, I think I might have clipped it out of the video it was on. That was a good one though. Maybe the maester conspiracy one? Not sure when else Pycelle would've come up.
@tammichenard1024
@tammichenard1024 3 ай бұрын
They NEED to make you a writer on the show!! Your channel is criminally underrated. Been a fan/watcher since the weekly live streams💖
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
Maybe one day!
@dangerdang91
@dangerdang91 3 ай бұрын
After watching your first Larys video, im always looking for rats in the scenes now. And all the rats during blood and cheese, Larys was all i could think about
@Aegonanddanny
@Aegonanddanny 3 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for episode 3 - bet we’ll have more focus on Larys
@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit
@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit 3 ай бұрын
I hope they continue to use the light touch with Larys regarding his motives. I really appreciated that in the book he was really playing his own game and nobody else could figure it out.
@lilbitx496
@lilbitx496 3 ай бұрын
I honestly haven’t thought of Larys deeply like this. This is a great video, I love speculation
@tonkata1234
@tonkata1234 3 ай бұрын
Nice video. I also think the rat going down the stairs - the odd one, as blood and cheese go through the tunnels, more than certainly screams Larys controlling the rat. Call me crazy.
@mloly
@mloly 3 ай бұрын
Love this video! I completely agree with your theory and now feel a bit silly for not noticing any of this while watching but you’re onto something I reckon
@booyakuhsha24
@booyakuhsha24 3 ай бұрын
You’re the absolute best! Thank you so much for your insight
@HulaMask
@HulaMask 3 ай бұрын
I can’t wait to watch this video. I’m here live but definitely gonna watch it again later as well
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 3 ай бұрын
Yess!! I enjoy these Larys theory videos so much
@JamesSomersetActor
@JamesSomersetActor 3 ай бұрын
As soon as I saw this part of the episode I immediately thought of you
@ApoorvaKaul
@ApoorvaKaul 3 ай бұрын
The fireworks 😅. Larys is diabolical, but a very well written and acted character. But, you know, among the Greens you'd think Otto might raise questions about there not being any guards to protect Helaena and her children. Also, Aemond now knows the existence of the secret gate/tunnels. Will he use it in some way? I should think so. This is how Larys will spirit always Jahaera and Aegon later.
@jasmineolivine
@jasmineolivine 3 ай бұрын
Dennis Reynolds making a subtle appearance in the captions would be an an insta subscribe from me, had I not already been subscribed 😅
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
I only regret I didn't leave it on screen longer, made me laugh while I was editing those in. Larys and Dennis would be big fans of the other's work.
@aliasjon8320
@aliasjon8320 3 ай бұрын
I like to think that Episode 2 on the green's side is a lot about how different factions make use of such a personal tragedy. Even if Lary's did not go so far to allow blood and cheese , the evidence at the very least suggests he found a completely parallel use for it when compared to Otto. Otto cares about the murder only so much as to use it to garner sympathy from the realm and bismirch Rhaenyra's character , pretty ignoring aegon in the whole equation. Larys on the other hand cares about the murder only so far as the opportunity it gives to improve his relationship with Aegon. He likely knows of aegon's past "entertainment" at flea bottom , and hence knew giving Aegon the opportunity for brutal revenge quickly is a lot more valuable than keeping blood alive to find cheese (something that perhaps otto might have done in his place ). As for the other greens , Criston only cares about this situation as much as it creates a personal crisis of failing his duty as kingsgard. I do think he put together twin scheme impulsively the second Eryk asied him where he was that night. As for alicent , she does care , but only so far as the effect the tragedy has on her daughter.
@wanderingundine927
@wanderingundine927 3 ай бұрын
I admit I'm selfishly glad these clues are too subtle for most of the fandom (including me) to pick up on. Otherwise, I would be encountering even more hate directed at Larys, and more shaming of me for desiring and stanning him.
@fakeangel9641
@fakeangel9641 3 ай бұрын
Blood mightve been trying to go out of the gate of gods because he was trying to get to Harrenhal
@fakeangel9641
@fakeangel9641 3 ай бұрын
nvm u mentioned that LOL
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
Yup! It makes sense in Fire and Blood, not so much in HOTD with Daemon right there waiting.
@niques.4081
@niques.4081 3 ай бұрын
I love this and I actually believe it. You know what else? You know like in all the you see someone watching the main characters like rhaenyra and alicent in there rooms? Its probably the rats aka larys
@michelesilva9491
@michelesilva9491 3 ай бұрын
During the blood and cheese episode I felt like showing us haelena walking all the way from her apartment to Alicents room without a single guard in sight was obviously done for a reason. Because it makes no sense that the queen and her kids would have no guards on them and even stranger still that not a single guard was anywhere in the castle. Especially because they are at war and the last move was they killed their enemies son. There should be guards all over the place especially around the royal family. But the show deliberately showed us there were no guards. So I figured they are trying to tell us someone let this happen. Larys is the obvious person, but why? How does it benefit him. Maybe pushing the war further along but again , why? The only thing I can think of is chaos is a ladder? I don’t really think he’s a warg, I just don’t think the show is doing that. The only thing to suggest it is the rats they keep showing us, although I can’t find another reason for them either. I just think they would have done more to bring us to that conclusion. But yes the points you bring up like him not questioning blood further, I also found strange. I thought of a line up as well. I just can’t figure out how working against the greens benefits him. I guess we’ll see. Great video.
@feoil
@feoil 2 ай бұрын
Episode eight of season two proves you're right. Corlys advised Rheaneara to go on the offensive with her SIX dragons. Larys on the other hand, asked Aegon, even if he did oust his brother, how he could defend King's Landing against Rheaneara and her SEVEN dragons. It seems Larys knew about SHeepstealer, before Sheepstealer did.
@ob372
@ob372 2 ай бұрын
I thought this too, but i think this might be larys not being informed if daemon and Caraxys are still on Rhaenearas side, and Corlys had stopped counting his as a potential ally at that moment, until the final moments in the episode it wasn't confirmed within the season which side he fell on. so Larys would presume seven but Corlys was being more realistic at the time saying six. Could be further evidence of him being a skinchanger tho, as if he gets his information through being rats within the walls, he wouldn't have much information coming to him from Harrenhall (maybe?).
@feoil
@feoil 2 ай бұрын
@@ob372 Alys Rivers may have raised Larys. WHo knows how closely they might communicate, as they both seem to be "magical." Just a thought.
@DanDog91
@DanDog91 3 ай бұрын
Larys is the HotD version of Littlefinger. He uses chaos as a tool in his own quest for power to move from a nobody in a lesser house to a powerful manipulator.
@gijssterveld3481
@gijssterveld3481 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant analysis!
@bennygerow
@bennygerow 3 ай бұрын
Agreed. Folding Ideas has a great channel.
@Nanda-ku2yw
@Nanda-ku2yw 3 ай бұрын
The OJ reference I'm dying
@elinahalla
@elinahalla 3 ай бұрын
This video was so good that you gained a new follower!!!
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
Glad to have you!
@Aerie925
@Aerie925 3 ай бұрын
I wish they had gone with how it happens in the book and Cheese never being found and that leading to the execution of ask the rat catchers.
@Oryx-f1y
@Oryx-f1y 3 ай бұрын
I'm about to throw more evidence onto your fire Joe, evidence you may have missed. That dream/reference Helaena should soon hypothetically make about Larys speculated about at the end of the video may have already happened...just hidden away for the super-fans. In "the House that Dragon's Built" for the episode, they show off props in Helaena's room that reveal scribblings or pictures of her prophetic visions. Mostly, again, it's for the super-fans so most of the pictures are direct references to GOT. Decapitated direwolf, burning Dany from the pyre, Littlefinger's bird motif with a dagger, (show)Euron's eye heraldry, you get the gist. However, one thing stands out: A very clear rat with a dagger and a crown, or say a murderous king of the rats. No GOT character really matches this, Varys was an arachnid with little birds, and littlefinger is already there as a mockingbird. So...is it Larys? Good work either way. Easy timestap is in this Quinn video about the images, at 6:38 he mentions the rat: kzbin.info/www/bejne/onO4qJ2woZqaetU
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
Good catch! You may want to check out the previous video where I talk about the rat king.....way too much and what it could mean. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zpa4lp-Jdr-ia80
@Lumina_Solaris
@Lumina_Solaris 3 ай бұрын
Did not Helaena say they needed to fear the rats?
@FaithAndRepentance
@FaithAndRepentance 3 ай бұрын
No one listens to poor Helena
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 3 ай бұрын
She absolutely did. Best queen ever, I’d give my life for the queen. We can be her Millipede Men. We will wear armor made of Millipedes.
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 3 ай бұрын
She was wrong about how many legs are on a millipede in season 1, but that assumes Westeros has millipedes similar to real life. Since I assume Heleana can never be wrong about bugs, then the obvious answer is that Westerosi millipedes are slightly different than real world millipedes.
@thing_under_the_stairs
@thing_under_the_stairs 3 ай бұрын
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 I would gladly be one of Helaena's Millipede Men. Partly because Helaena is too good for Westeros, and partly for the strange Westerosi millipedes.
@sashat.2629
@sashat.2629 3 ай бұрын
While I personally do not think Larys is a skin changer, everything else is right on the nose. Great video, as always ❤
@HillsAliveYT
@HillsAliveYT 3 ай бұрын
The thumbnail is killing me 😂
@PoweredByEnvy
@PoweredByEnvy 3 ай бұрын
Did you just OJ Simpson this man? "If I Did It"? If that was your intention, you are fucking BRILLIANT sir! Well played. Well fucking played...😂😂😂
@icesensemadness
@icesensemadness 3 ай бұрын
Great stuff. Looking forward to more.
@Ravuun
@Ravuun 3 ай бұрын
I suppose this means that all the cats let loose in the Red Keep to handle the rats was a decision Larys wasn't too fond of LOL
@JohnnyCatFitz
@JohnnyCatFitz 3 ай бұрын
Well, this is exciting! Now I'm going to have to go back and finish the books. Tbh, George isn't a great writer, and needed a better editor , 😢 but his ideas are off the hook ! Is Larys not just the Rat King, but an agent of the Knight King? There is at least 1 Weirwood tree north of the wall. If he is connected to the far north end of the men, eternal darkness then it's clear he wants civil war he wants the end of magic and dragons. It also seems that he would resent everything about dragons and Valyrian descendents since they brought about the end of the entire Harrenhall growth towards primacy. Perhaps a takeover of the 7 Kingdoms. They both want the end of Dragons so, it seems Larys must be an unwitting agent? I'm going to watch all these videos over the time I'm reading. Once I saw this, I've pieced together a lot of the previous vids.and it's crazy good !
@JarOfHeat100
@JarOfHeat100 3 ай бұрын
i really like the theroy as larys being a greenseer/shapeshifter and i'd really wish it was true bc as you said in previous videos it's larys is framed in ways that imply he might be. and i love these kind of visual implications in general. anyway beware the confirmation bias because the way they0ve written this episode (larys picking the stuff and the stuff betraying them, just to bring up one example) is either one of the best script ever written with an amazing attention to details OR the worst plot holes ever where they wrote larys killing the traitous stuff to make him look cartoonishly evil and then forgot about it for the next scene. maybe it's me, i've been burnt by to many writers screwing up the stories i loved and speculated about and i dont trust people to write clever things anymore
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
I'm prepared to be hurt, they haven't let me down yet though. Hope springs eternal.
@thamayor6324
@thamayor6324 2 ай бұрын
On the episode with aegon he said his father blamed so witch craft maybe he warged into a cat or something when being born and somebody stepped on it or something 😂😂😂
@connorbrooks7501
@connorbrooks7501 3 ай бұрын
Great video!
@Just.AllieEggart
@Just.AllieEggart Ай бұрын
Theoretically, Larys already knew and talked to Cheese, and got the info from him directly. This would put Cheese at risk of being outed by Blood, of course, but Cheese has the advantage of being employed by a snake. Larys didn’t look for Cheese because he was attempting to remove Cheese quietly or simply because he didn’t was the rumor to spread that the man all these spies are loyal to is ratting on those who are reporting to him. The fact that he got killed regardless couldn’t have seemed to be Larys’ doing, or he would risk losing loyalty.
@rmarx1496
@rmarx1496 3 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if in the show there's nothing wrong with Lary's foot. It would be the same kind of revelation we had with Pycelle in GOT.
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
That'd be an intense twist. Although Matthew Needham has said he had to make the clubfoot far less dramatic in his performance because it was giving him hip problems.
@zipporahmichel9465
@zipporahmichel9465 3 ай бұрын
Ace Attorney levels of investigations, my guy. 👏
@Anon_Fox
@Anon_Fox 3 ай бұрын
Think about it. He has been increasingly allowed more and more power like little finger. Chaos is a ladder and he keeps becoming more and more important
@sanitizerwilson1599
@sanitizerwilson1599 3 ай бұрын
This is just a thought that maybe Larry Strong or Skinchanger or Greenseers are able to tap the Tree's Great Conscious. That is able see the Past, the Future and Present already. This why the Night King wanted Bran if he had kill him he would have all the Knowledge of the World of Ice and Fire.
@ciaraconover2290
@ciaraconover2290 2 ай бұрын
In the latest episode, alicent comments on how dirty the castle is. Why isn't the staff he hired, keeping it clean?
@Jositoooo
@Jositoooo 3 ай бұрын
Nice to have writers/showrunners who actually care about the material as much as the fans
@matthewstringer4424
@matthewstringer4424 3 ай бұрын
At this point in the realm Dragons and their magic were very much alive. Its not outrageous to think other magic was not as alive too. Helena seen it. This works.
@soniandukwe8981
@soniandukwe8981 3 ай бұрын
I never noticed him in that shot😮😮
@ejoviu4911
@ejoviu4911 3 ай бұрын
Awesome , awesome, awesome! Subscribing and sharing,
@donot2592
@donot2592 3 ай бұрын
while im glad daemon didnt have such a heavy hand in that night now, did he really think they would actually get the drop on aemond?
@orlandorobles6050
@orlandorobles6050 3 ай бұрын
Another Joe Magician Banger! This is excellent! 👌🏼
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 3 ай бұрын
Ryan Condal watches Game of Thrones content on KZbin. If GRRM can sit down for a meal with Glidus and Alt Shift X. Then Ryan 100% does. He’s locked into the fandom. I swear some of the lines in HoTD are direct references to Glidus and Alt Shift X.
@beden653
@beden653 3 ай бұрын
Tyland is a 🐎
@Just9n__
@Just9n__ 3 ай бұрын
Did he really had a meal with them?
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 3 ай бұрын
@@Just9n__ yep he bought them cake
@Just9n__
@Just9n__ 3 ай бұрын
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 I don't know that,when and where did it happen
@thing_under_the_stairs
@thing_under_the_stairs 3 ай бұрын
Glimbo is in for one hell of meal soon, if the rumours are true this time... I'm sending him some really good salsa.
@heatrayzvideo3007
@heatrayzvideo3007 3 ай бұрын
*Laryrs smile from back of the room*
@edwardmartin5860
@edwardmartin5860 3 ай бұрын
This is why i call you tha Majic Man . 🎯 Matt 💯 ❤️
@DRourkey
@DRourkey 3 ай бұрын
It would make more sense that the killing was an inside job to stoke the flames of war. Imagine if they talked to the wrong rat catcher, or if they asked the right one and someone else heard. It would be war easier to set it up from the inside. Probably the only way they could find a time period where all the guard roots weren't in the area at the time
@awhartig5847
@awhartig5847 3 ай бұрын
I preferred the version of Larrys scandalized by gossip and eating a cookie in S1 E3. (knowing what he's capable of in hindsight, that moment is hilariously incongruous.) That inconspicuous, nonthreatening presence around the ladies of Viserys Court is where he gained his foothold. After all, who would be a better source of gossip than the matrons of the highborn. Boy-o started trading secrets early, gaining confidence, and learning what the most reliable sources among the highborn & servants were. He's a viper playing the long game; adept at hiding in plain sight by cloaking himself in harmlessness & helpfulness. Larrys Strong is like the perfect mix of *L* ittlefinger & V *arrys* . Not a coincidence, methinks. He's not precisely everybody's friend, but he's an Court ally & valuable resource for ALL of the ruling council except, ya know, the dude he just got fired. He's going to orchestrate Crusty Cole being sent away to lead an army, bet. "Oh my stars & garters, now you simply must rely on me" . Otto relied on Myseria, Larrys was aware of this, and the moment an opportunity presented itself, he tried to eliminate her. Myseria survived b/c her self preservation is grounded in living by her wits, and she has excellent instincts. I hope she lives at least long enough to see him paid back in the same bloody coin. Team Rhysaria!
@AndyJP
@AndyJP 3 ай бұрын
Cheese warged into dog theory incoming
@jokergordon8446
@jokergordon8446 3 ай бұрын
🐉 🦁 🦌 🐺 This is the type of theories that got me interested in game of thrones to start with! Great work.
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@guyledouche7939
@guyledouche7939 3 ай бұрын
9:40 I thought this as well...he couldn't play a 40 second game of Guess Who to deduce the identity of the rat catcher?
@samiai8905
@samiai8905 3 ай бұрын
It's really interesting how both Larys and Alys are magical characters which makes one wonder if Harwin was as well. Considering magical gifts like warging was passed to all the Stark kids I could see all the Strongs inheriting the gift as well with Harwin being the Sansa who didn't get to nurture theirs. Which now begs considering, could Jace, Luke, and Joffrey be skinchangers? If so how would it impact their magical dragon powers?
@NicoleStevensHays11x
@NicoleStevensHays11x 3 ай бұрын
Chaos is a ladder
@PIRATER0B0TNINJA
@PIRATER0B0TNINJA 3 ай бұрын
You must be feeling good right about now 😆
@theprimo100
@theprimo100 3 ай бұрын
9:27 so you're saying Larys doesn't use the power of the Old Gods, but the Golden God.
@JackHGUK
@JackHGUK 3 ай бұрын
Honestly i could see the possiblity larys allowed blood and cheese to have a crack at killing someone in the red keep but i think the reason for the lack of guards in the royal apartment would be becauee ser cristan and alicent's secret romance, theres a reason they blame themselves for it.
@Nopenotbrian
@Nopenotbrian 3 ай бұрын
Folding Ideas making a cameo in this video is my very own endgame
@JoeMagician
@JoeMagician 3 ай бұрын
He's fantastic, watch all his stuff even the old ones where he loses his mind about movies I've never heard of.
@Nopenotbrian
@Nopenotbrian 3 ай бұрын
@@JoeMagician I can’t believe how much I know about 50 shades of grey because of him 😂
@JohnnyCatFitz
@JohnnyCatFitz 3 ай бұрын
So, is the witch a half sister to Larys? He grew up w her? Do they communicate?
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