Unveiling the Conflict: Catholic Church vs Freemasonry

[@rogeronthesouthfork175]

LOL- I have family members who are masons. One of them was Grand Master of his lodge. Before one of my trips to the Holy Land he told me - " the lodge will pay you if you will bring back some stones from one of Solomon's quarries "( Zedekiah's Cave). Cursory study of freemasonry reveals the importance of King Solomon in their rites. I didn't do that but the offer was made. Personally, I don't swear secret oaths and do not wish to join societies which do.

[@terranhealer]

The oath sworn is just an oath to be your best self. And some club fees 😅

[@363catman]

There would be some really cool factor to have a small rock at the lodge from where the temple was actually quarried from. Other than having a real tangible fragment from where the temple came from for the trophy case there's nothing more to it than that.

[@rogeronthesouthfork175]

@@terranhealer Having family members deeply involved for years I do know it is quite a bit more than that. You have a great life.

[@adamjones5911]

@@terranhealer that constantly go up.

[@roxybrown6914]

Lmao​@@terranhealer

[@jerryyoung6494]

I find it interesting KZbin stamps the video with their information on freemasonry. I also found it odd the Catholic Church made a comment. I could be wrong but thought the masons and similar groups were shrinking and not as relevant.

[@bethtaylor9773]

That's quite a list lol! My son when he was a teenager became a Demolay (junior Mason) with his friends for about a year. He decided it had silly ritual secrets and wasn't for him. A Demolay dropout but loves Jesus and teaches high school.

[@classicaltheology]

Yes, it is, haha! Thanks for watching. Glad to hear about your son.

[@cliftongaither6642]

the pentagram is an old world symbol for life and connections. did you know that in order to be a Mason or a Demolay , one has to believe in a creator. but who cares about facts anyway?

[@bethtaylor9773]

Well, my son believes in not only a Creator, but also a Savior....and without all the hoopla of secret rituals which have no reason to be as everything is plainly told in the Bible. Besides, no matter the origen of the pentagram, it's what it's come to represent now that has to be dealt with. @@cliftongaither6642

[@97essence]

​@cliftongaither6642 even demons know about the Creator. Even of the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Son of the loving God.

[@former9085]

@@97essence "even demons know about the Creator. Even of the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Son of the loving God." What does this have to do with Freemasonry?

[@former9085]

Thank you for an unbiased attempt at explaining the misconceptions. Feel free to approach your local Masonic Lodge to clear up any issues. Looking forward to your findings.

[@classicaltheology]

Thank you for watching and commenting! I appreciate it.

[@shireboundscribbles]

All Christians (especially Americans) should read Humanum Genus and Minari Vos.

[@josephb4086]

Masonry runs in my family. I've been involved for many years with masonry and other fraternities. It's a complicated issue. I'm catholic and a knight of columbus but also belong to many other orders. Personally, I see the masons as simply a fraternity, not a religion so I don't have an issue there. The masons are basically a men's club that helps members and is charitable even to non members with the many charities they have. The only things I don't like about the masons is the oaths, otherwise they are fine.

[@geraldstewart2556]

How do you "get around" the oaths. I'm a Freemason as well, and to be honest, the only problem I have is the oaths. However, I love the brotherhood and charitable work I'm doing.

[@lisapatrona1791]

We pass a masonic lodge on the way to a family member's home. It's on the corner of a very busy downtown intersection...there are 2 awnings on the building (one on each corner of the building) with a pentagram. I don't understand how anyone associated wouldn't at least question that!

[@classicaltheology]

Thanks for the comment. Yes, that's a good question.

[@brione2001]

A pentagram has five sides. The Masonic Compasses, placed over the Square, form the outline of a six sided figure. If anything, it could be confused with the Star of David, not a pentagram. The Order of Eastern Star does have an inverted pentagram as it's symbol, but not the Freemasons. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_and_Compasses

[@cliftongaither6642]

yeah , and did you know that the pentagram is an old world symbol for life and connections? it's got nothing to do with paganism. and , in order to be a Demolay or a Mason , one gas to believe in a creator. but what do people care about facts anyway?

[@lisapatrona1791]

​@@brione2001 Thanks for your reply. Each awning has both images on them. I can't figure out how to share the pics, but both awnings have the masonic compasses and the pentagrams (2 awnings one on each corner, which are identical) -- I am not confusing it with a Star of David/six pointed star. It's definitely a pentagram. I hope I can find a way to share the photo's.

[@charlielima9080]

Everyone should definitely question Marvels Captain America as well. Running around with that pentagram on his shield and all. Some basic understanding of sacred geometry, symbols of Free Masons being the Square and Compass can be illuminating. It is often associated with Venus orbit with the Earth at the center.

[@dandeberry]

Real important question: if a catholic joins the Freemasons, and leaves and repents that he was in the Freemasons, are they excommunicated? Or are they forgiven under Confession?

[@yossarian_lives]

The latter. If one confesses with a contrite and sincere heart, they are absolved of all their sins.

[@teecee1567]

@dandeberry Freemasons are no longer excommunicated from the RCC.

[@realcawnflakes]

Total transparency, I'm a Freemason, so do with that information what you will, anyway... Thank you for not painting Masonry in a bad light. We're just a bunch of dudes that just want to make ourselves better people and make our communities better places. I can also fully understand why the church has beef with us, especially once you consider the Templar hypothesis rabbit hole.

[@classicaltheology]

Thank you for watching and the comment. You are welcome. I just wanted it to be an informational vid.

[@mattthegardner3375]

Im a mason, I appreciate you being neutral on the issue. Freemasonry is not a religion. A mans own belief is his own. The majority of masons in the U.S. are Christians, in other Countries like Israel, for example, they are predominantly Jewish and so on. The Masons have no issue with Catholics, any catholic male wishing to join would be welcome. As far as pushing marriage to be secular, or salvation by ethics, ect, isn't the case, and they don't discourage Catholic teaching. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights is based on Freemasonry principles, liberty, and justice, for example. Freemasonry is a bond we have among brothers to build each other up. The is nothing in Lodges that teaches ideas against ones own belief.

[@classicaltheology]

Thanks for watching and for the comment!

[@johnmcfadden4815]

Well said Matt. It is also my experience in and out of the lodge. I'm confident in my personal beliefs and not looking to supplement or replace them. Its service to the community, family and fellowship that is worthy of my time. Every day is a gift.

[@DAVID_D_ROCKEFELLER_III]

I'M CATHOLIC TOO , I'M MEMBERS FREEMASONRY DUDE 😊

[@DownWordGames]

You are under oath to lie. Shut that dirty mouth. Freemasonry is Wicked.

[@vaderkurt7848]

​@@DAVID_D_ROCKEFELLER_III You do realize you are automatically excommunicated right?

[@jimlewis5477]

I am a Master Mason. No the Masons do not teach a Religion. They go out of their way to stay away from endorsing Religions or politics in the lodge. All Masons do pray to God before and after a lodge meeting and before a meal. Masons believe in a Supreme Being. For me, that Supreme Being is the one and only God. I believe salvation does not come through good works but through believing in Jesus Christ and accepting him and his sacrifice. To me, no man can go to God but through Jesus Christ. Catholicism will not accept me because I am a Mason and that's o.k. I will never say anything bad about Catholics or any one else's Religion. All Masonry is, is trying to make good men better and doing good works in the community. It is a fraternity with very few secrets. The secrets are much like a college fraternity in the handshake and rituals My brother Masons are the most moral and good men I have ever had the privilege to be associated with. I wish Freemasonry did not have any secrets so all could see it is nothing some make them out to be.

[@bigwingston7489]

SMIB Brother

[@classicaltheology]

Thanks for watching and for the comment!

[@robothug6688]

One last note you may not know about and this goes to the theology guy on running this channel. In 1717 the first grand lodge opened in the UK; however, In the same year the Revival of the Druids Movement started in the UK. I have a official book for that movement which is written by John Michael Greer which *hints* thats freemasonary may have been involved with making this movement. That author is very reputable to that movement.

[@Catalinanative]

Because the clergy and the truth will be found out and they want to be the only ones to know

[@tgmccoy1556]

Mark Hatfield Oregon Senator.

[@Truther00]

Religion is the competition they both seek money or favors eventually at one point or another other

[@teecee1567]

@Truther00 No Mason has to follow any particular religion. I know plenty of Masons that believe in God but are not members of any particular faith.

[@cliftongaither6642]

who cares what a church says ?!!!

[@MommaLousKitchen]

Catholic church.

[@mditt7]

anyone with deep intelligence

[@PabloVelasco-hr3ko]

anyone who is Catholic

[@rodroberson1229]

It's pretentious, splitting hairs

[@Murcans-worship-felons]

After much reading, many years, I find theology a waste of time. Much ado about nothing. Philosophy however, and it’s many disciplines, has it merits.

[@russellwylie]

An older priest refused to marry us in the Catholic church (our second - the Presbyterian one didn't count) because I am a mason. They wouldn't let my wife take communion because of this. A younger priest did marry us in the church. From that time on I renounced organized " religion" . Chrtianity was never meant to be a " religion " it is supposed to be a way of life. The Apostle John said if you have the spirit in you , you need no teacher. Never heard a sermon preached on that

[@classicaltheology]

Hi, thanks for the comment. I don't know the policies and all for Catholic weddings, other than I'm pretty sure you have to be in a right position with the Catholic Church. There are similar policies with Protestants, but people vary. I wouldn't marry a Mormon to a Christian but another pastor did. There are not as many rules in the Protestant Church. I guess it depends on what you mean by "religion." The word comes from the Latin and basically means "to bind." It has the idea of being a binding set of beliefs. That's an interesting passage in John. It doesn't seem likely that it means that the Holy Spirit teaches us about all theology, since that would contradict other Scripture and we would expect to have more uniformity if that were the case. Commentators that I have seen generally teach that it is talking about the deity of Jesus over against gnosticism.

[@bruceshepard1193]

Becoming a Mason is the best decision I've ever nade. Getting away from The Catholic Church was the second best.

[@MrSpiritmike]

Literally, all the points aren't true.

[@classicaltheology]

What points are you referring to? The points I made (regarding the Catholic's view of the Masons, and the general beliefs held by the Masons) are pretty indisputable in terms of just being the facts.

[@MrSpiritmike]

@@classicaltheology the Masonic beliefs in question that conflict with catholic belief. I can replay the vide note every one if you like. I am a 33° and a devout Roman Catholic. I am an expert on the subject as I have studied Catholic Theology as well. I almost became a Trappist. I wish one day someone would just ask a Freemason instead of making assumptions but I am willing to set the record straight.

[@classicaltheology]

@@MrSpiritmike Oh sure. Feel free to point out any errors. Thanks!

[@MrSpiritmike]

I can't dispute some protestant churches doesn't except Freemasonry but I think it's untrue to not mention that Freemasonry is widely accepted among the protestant churches as many prominent Masons were clergy of them. The very few protestants that don't accept Freemasons and mainly evangelical who by the way, don't accept Catholics lol. The actual reason the Catholic Church sites is it has incompatible doctrine - naturalistic as you mention but also indifferentialism and deism. Freemasons say at every step of way publicly that we don't have a doctrine, we are not fraternity not a religion. We let everyman have the right to his own beliefs like every other non religious organization. Does a softball team that doesn't subject its members to any particular faith evil? Is the constitution of the United States evil? The belief reason is our guide is untrue, remember, we don't have a doctrine. We do require members to believe in God. Freemasonry is not hostile to any organization, especially the Catholic Church but we are met with hostility from others. Secularizing marriage and denying child catholic teachings, that one's new both untrue with zero proof. Making government not recognize God is also untrue and like the rest of all the accusations not one example is given to suggest these aren't mistaken. The main problem comes to this - a Catholic Cardinal at the Vatican wrote an article about 6 months before the last condemnation came out. "For too long," Weninger argues, "the Church did not differentiate between these 'regular' Freemasons and others, with sometimes sectarian or anti-Church tendencies." There are some fringe Grand Lodges in France and Italy that behave in ways that spook the church and the sad truth is those Grand Lodges and their behavior isn't recognized by All the Grand Lodge recognition system. Bible is not just a symbol - it is The Great Light in Masonry. There is no rejection of the divinity of Christ because we aren't a religious. The vast majority of Freemasons like myself are Christian and like myself believe Jesus is God. But again we are not a religion, we are fraternity whose aim is to help each other be the best men we can be - for our families, our country and our the world. Non of the claims against us come with evidence, not one. ​@@classicaltheology

[@PabloVelasco-hr3ko]

@@MrSpiritmike How do you wrestle with the fact that through out history, Free Masosn have been antagonists towards Catholics?