Unveiling the Truth: The Myth of Indeterminate Potatoes

Join us in uncovering the truth behind the myth of indeterminate potatoes in our latest video! Discover why the debate between indeterminate and determinate potato varieties may not matter as much as you think. Don't forget to subscribe for more gardening insights and experiments!
CHAPTERS:
0:17: 🥔 Debunking the difference between two types of potatoes and their impact on growth.
2:57: 🥔 Exploring the distinction between determinant and indeterminate potato varieties and their growth patterns.
5:15: 🥔 Debunking the confusion around potato maturity types and their growth patterns.
7:46: 🌱 Optimal soil fertility for squash planting after effective cover crop termination in raised bed.
10:27: 🌱 Exploring a parthenocarpic yellow zucchini variety for easy pollination and high productivity.
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[@MarthaGonzalez-jm3vn]

I never knew that there were determinate and indeterminate Potatoes. I'm getting and education from.you Travis we always grew Kennebec potatoes. They are an all around good potato.

[@ellendavis9940]

Thank you for explaining.

[@Jan-Boer]

Thanks for the video. Indeterminate and determinate potatoes. I have been working professionally in potatoes for 40 years and have never heard of it in practice. I think it's just a hobbyist term. Plant potatoes on ridges and ground them thoroughly. This gives you space for the new tubers, less chance of water damage and easy to harvest. Knowing more? I have a short video on my channel almost every week.

[@SelfSufficient912]

Hey! I received my fig tree today, thank you so much!! Very well packaged! I have it in my greenhouse for now. Thank you from Guyton, GA!

[@LazyDogFarm]

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[@markflick1641]

My dad always hilled his taters . Gardens were simple back then . Great video 👍 .

[@perrywollam8981]

Just saw this video and agree 100%. Live in SE Texas here you plant potatoes as soon as you can in February. Heat has them by 1st of June. Red Pontiac are all I plant nothing else yields as good as they do. Plant again in mid September

[@pilsplease7561]

Thats not what my dad says and he lives in SE Texas

[@theadventuresofjerryandjodi]

I just love how we pass each other, then you teach us a thing or two about what we planted and how to keep em happy in Zone 9a Pensacola, FL

[@Not_So_Weird_in_Austin]

I have started doing a Florida weave on my grow bag potatoes to support the greenery. Spuds are planted on 4 inches of soil and filling the bag to the top and mulching is the same as hilling. Mulch for moisture control.

[@zmblion]

Gives me a chuckle when you say "the Google" lol

[@1111atreides]

I still can't get past "Healing" the potatoes!

[@zmblion]

@@1111atreides lol southern talk is funny 🤣

[@parsonroy]

​@@1111atreides Heeling not healing.

[@russcampbell2414]

Hilling is the correct term

[@dvrmte]

I saw a British guy digging Sarpo Mira and his vines looked six feet long and were still fairly green in the Fall. I agree that the heat shuts down vine growth. Plus heat leads to internal defects in many varieties such as internal breakdown, necrosis, etc. I might try and mulch the hills under the vines and see if I can get close to 120 days of growth before digging my Sarpo Mira. I didn't plant them until late March because the seed taters were extremely slow to begin sprouting. Late varieties don't do well here. German Butterball never does well. Kennebec is about the latest tater that grows well here.

[@marthakemp127]

I planted Irish Cobbler simply because I want to see for myself if they are as delicious as I've heard. The plants are absolutely beautiful.

[@stephaniegee227]

We grew Irish Cobbler last year, and they were incredibly good! Almost as good as the ones my grandmother used to grow. We have more Irish Cobblers this year, and are hoping for the same results.

[@marthakemp127]

@@stephaniegee227 Good to hear this. Where do you buy your seed potatoes?

[@tomygee3440]

Travis i really wish you would do the step by step growing guides like you use to do with your dad. That's how i learned to grow most things. I still go back and watch those old video's. Maybe you can do the growing guides for us

[@gaguy2]

Last year I planted straight neck squash, and put cages around them and they did great. Not a special squash either, just regular straight neck. This year we will try it with a crook neck too.

[@davidward1259]

Travis, I put some soil in the bottom of 15gal grow bags, put my seed taters in and fill the bag up. Plants pop out of the soil and end up with taters all in the soil. I suspect I'm basically hilling the potatoes, just all at once and up front. I don't know if there would be any difference if I did it in increments as the final soil depth and potential root growth area will be the same. Once they pop into the sun, the plants seem to grow like any other potato. I do amend the soil at planting time with compost and some 13-13-13 and add some Potash up top as they start to emerge for a potassium boost. I think that extra root growing soil depth is important and what your experiment will show (hill vs no hill). Also the fact that 99.9% of the seed potato sellers don't list "determinate" or "indeterminate" on their bags may be an indicator it's not exactly what we think it is (not the same as in tomato types for instance). I have seen description that it is more related to length of time for tuber productions (ie, early, mid, and late season types).

[@hardstylzz5024]

My raised bed potatoes i had to put chicken wire around it to protect the tubers and now plant foliage from my chickens they love to dig, it really helps the plant from bending over.

[@stephaniegee227]

Good idea about keeping the plant from bending over!

[@79PoisonBreaker]

When I looked into the determinant/indeterminant I found conflicting info and the only variety I could find that said was indeterminant from multiple sources was russian banana fingerlings. the vast majority seem to be determinant. I believe hilling once real good helps all potatoes, indeterminant varieties probably benefit from multiple hillings.

[@brendan5232]

Would be interesting to see additional experimentation on the nutrient benefit of hilling vs the physical benefit- hilling with compost vs hilling with soil with fertilizer mixed in vs hilling with straw etc. Just wonder if one could duplicate the benefits of hilling by fertilizing, or if the hill itself is beneficial even without nutrients. So many variables, interesting stuff.

[@johnc6228]

Years ago I saw the potatoes in Massachusetts farms were planted at the bottom of a 10" trench. After they grew they were filled in from the sides in 2 or 3 steps until the soil was level. Then at harvesting time the potato digger was working on level ground and the amount of potatoes was supposedly maximized.

[@milliealford8968]

I had to laugh at " the V8" head hit.

[@PlantObsessed]

The hill thing seems to make sense to me because potatoes are part the solenace family just like tomatoes and peppers and they grow advantageous roots which is got to help somehow. Even if they're not regular roots, I'm one of those potato bag people so my potatoes only get so much of a hill. Good stuff 🎉🎉

[@gatorguy7711]

Great video! I am a believer in hilling potatoes - what can it hurt. My potatoes look great including Yukon Gold, La Soda and two varieties you suggested from Wood Prairie. Take care....

[@zepguwlthistle7924]

i put my potatoes on top of the prepared row and cover with straw. Later I cover with more straw. that is all and i get plenty of potatoes. The ease of the method is important for me because I can't dig potatoes. They are very easy to get out of the soil under the straw.

[@BustinRootz]

I’m actually waiting on the weather to get better here in Kentucky because it’s been too wet. I’m looking for four straight days of dry weather before I can put anything in the ground.

[@SelfSufficient912]

Love, love your channel, some, great info. I try to watch a few a day to get caught up! I ordered some seeds from you and they are germinating well. 😎 thank you!

[@79PoisonBreaker]

This temperature that kills your potatoes and other plants must be ground temps because way up here in the middle of canada we still get 100F days weeks in a row but our ground temps are much cooler. My plants get stressed for sure but don't die from the heat alone.

[@LoganShelton-rh3lp]

Interesting

[@AllGoodSeeds]

Are your nighttime temperatures more mild and the humidity less?

[@79PoisonBreaker]

It varies but overnight low 80fwhen daytime high 100f. humidity changes sometimes dry sometimes not but nights I assure you are shorter as well. so sweltering hot day is longer too.@@AllGoodSeeds

[@Jan-Boer]

That is also the reason to grow in open ground. Here the soil remains much cooler than in raised beds and growing bags.

[@INeedABeatDJ]

Less UV Index also.

[@tutortani]

Good video. I saw your video uses transliteration. I like farming and gardening.

[@vals.2300]

Nice video. Thanks for putting them out. I don't always respond, but I watch them. Had lots of rain north of Tucson, so I got to watch KZbin during the rain days! I have a market garden and planted golds, reds, and kennebec, even tho they won't break even for the farm, the family/employees love potatos. Then, I had some space on the rows, so tried a purple variety from tractor. Again this is just for personal use and the neices and nephews, kids love planting and digging taters. We'll see. Hilled 2x so far and going to cover with organic straw if i can find sucha thing local...in the land of cotton and alfalfa most of it is sprayed/dusted and i dont want to introduce that to my plots. Someday, can you do a video on mulches besided your pine mulch? ...no pines here...just mesquite and paloverde leaves...not enough to cover. Been using a fairfax company mulch/company called TANKS but have had stunted growth after eventho it is OSMRI certified. Also working on my soil fertility. I am not certified but just wanted an outside opinion. Going to plant the sweets after harvest of potatos late may/early june. Thanks again😊

[@jeffmartin693]

Love that black silk coffie!

[@MarkSmith-qk2rl]

Heck it was 85 here in Louisiana yesterday ! I was sweating my tail off

[@sunflowerslily]

36 degrees F here in New England with snow on the ground 🥶

[@cheaputhyvan4705]

Thanks for sharing

[@anitamurphy2454]

What?!? No "Go Dawgs" coffee can? 😂 I use those coffee cans for everything! Good as scoops, fertilizer storage, other storage, for compost scraps, chicken ice blocks, etc.

[@clinthutcheson2640]

Looking good!

[@marysurbanchickengarden]

The Red Norland potatoes I ordered from WPF last year was planted in a raised beds and grow bags. I hilled those taters as high as I could but had little taters form on the plant above the soil and of course they were green. Biggest potato vines I've ever seen. I think they may have mixed up my order but that first time growing the" Norland" put me off ever wanting to grow those again and I don't order from WPF anymore either.

[@cuznclive2236]

Might try to drape some scrog netting over the tater plants in the raised beds.

[@mutantryeff]

84F today and snow on Friday at 2000' elevation (we are at 100').

[@robertantolik2146]

Whether you call it hilling or adding soil lol, yes it needs done. I've grown potatoes that were considered "determinate " and still had potatoes sticking out of the ground and turning green.

[@GardenersPOV]

Travis, do you think Golden Glory would be a good candidate for growing under insect netting given that it's parthenocarpic? We struggle to grow summer squash here in Texas due to vine borers. I was planning on netting a few plants and hand pollinating to see if I can keep them alive long enough to produce, but parthenocarpic zukes would be much easier! Thanks.

[@Detour4it]

What's your thoughts on snipping the flowers?

[@joelhenderson5404]

Trav hilling is the right way you got it right!

[@AnenLaylle7023]

The question I have is whether it is true that determinate potatoes do not make tubers on the stem if you hill them while indeterminate potatoes do?

[@crimsonlu89]

@AnenLaylle7023 that is correct. This video threw me off a bit, determinate vs indeterminate isn't just the length of time they take to mature. Determinate potatoes put out the tubers all in the same layer (hence why you don't have to hill determinate varieties), indeterminate potatoes throw out tubers in several layers, so to speak, this is why you "hill" them while they grow. I grow in bags so don't stress it, especially since I only grow determinate varieties (indeterminate don't do well with our hot summers for the most part, there are very few exceptions developed at the Univ. of FL, as we hardly get a true spring season, it goes from cold or chilly, then straight to 80's and 90's every year) but that's the reason someone growing in bags, for example, can dump a bag and all the potatoes will be near the bottom (determinate) or they'll be all throughout the bag (indeterminate). Filling the bag to the top with soil, after planting the seed around 4-5 inches from the bottom, is just another form of hilling really

[@hopemorrison2367]

I have big trouble with zucchini polination i just cant get a zucchini to grow

[@genevabrown450]

Hilling works for sure, I hill and side dress twice then if I see any taters popping out after that I cover them with hey, nobody wants a green tater, tripple super phosphate. 🍻

[@alabamagirl2725]

I always hill my taters. My pawpaw always did that.

[@robertlight2007]

I start my potatoes in hills and build up as the continue to grow. And that’s for all my potatoes. Works best so far. Grow 10 acres worth.

[@selecttravelvacations7472]

10 acres of potatoes!? 😮

[@robertlight2007]

@@selecttravelvacations7472 That’s right, 10 acres. I am a Texas Rancher and if you have a 1,000 acres; we’ll plant some of it.

[@nanaslittleloves5782]

I think what you are misunderstanding is we bury are potatoes deep all the soil at once not keep adding. It's bury and leve alone till it's time to harvest.

[@Bubba_fett]

Last year was my first year growing taters. I got a nice harvest of red tater, but I couldn't find any seed taters for second planting, so I used some small new taters that had sprouted. don't do that. Had foliage but not very good taters. This year I planted in containers with chitted taters. Sure wish I could find that fertilizer you use, the granular stuff. No one seems to carry it in Kansas City.