Update On My Grizzly G0863 Growler Cyclone Separator, I Would Not Buy It Again

Just a quick update about the problems with the cyclone not working well with finer dust. I now say that I no longer feel that this unit will ever work well in my application and do not recommend it.

[@vacuumtests9225]

Excellent video! Now I just wonder what on earth Grizzly was thinking by putting that tube right through the cyclone. That really messes up the cyclone efficiency. I guess it could be saved by cutting that small pipe of and sealing everything. Your Super Dust Deputy works so much better!

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I really wonder why they put that there. Really messed up the ability to seperate fine dust. The dust deputy definitely works great, should have gone that way first and not wasted time and money on this. Thanks for watching.

[@woodbycolin3512]

I just saw this in the catalog for the first time. Now that I have a drum sander I want a proper cyclone to preserve the expensive canister filter. You just saved me the same headache, wasted time, and money. Thank you!

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

This one was a total waste of money for the fine dust from my thickness sander. Wish I had gone with the dust deputy. Thanks for watching.

[@boondocker7964]

When you give something the thumbs down treatment, we know it is hopeless, sad to say, hope you get something that works for you the way you want.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

This looked like a great idea but just doesn't work right with the fine dust. After looking inside you can pretty much see why. I just can't recommend it with the results that I am seeing. Thanks for watching.

[@derekmoen5382]

@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 truly a bummer man. i got a big oneida 5hp the white metal ones used and while its probably overkill i am absolutely amazed at how clean everything stays. the metal trap under my filter maybe has a 1/8 inch of powder in it after 8 to 10 full 55 gallon barrel dumps and tapping the filter. this video will help a lot of people from headaches if they watch it. i watch alot of your videos. keep up the awesome work!

[@markspears1167]

Thank you for the review video. I was seriously considering this separator. I hope you get something resolved with this purchase that will eventually satisfy your effort and money spent.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

This fall when I get back in the woodshop I am going to cut that tube out that crosses the cyclone path. If that doesn't fix it I will be buying a dust deputy. This one has just been good for large chips so far if you seal the top. I see it as a waste of money. Thanks for watching.

[@TheDesertRat31]

Thanks for the update. When I saw this unit in the catalog I gave it serious consideration.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

It does a pretty good job with the chips if you seal it up but fine dust goes through it with my setup. I don't recommend it. Thanks for watching.

[@randysagar5364]

I’ve mentioned this to you before, I have the dust deputy mounted on top of a metal trash can and two staged the fines outside. Works perfectly. I know you can’t do that because of a wood stove. Thanks for sharing your review.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I am about ready to try a dust deputy. Just was hoping I could get this one working better after spending $300.00. Thanks for watching.

[@troytroyus913]

Thanks so much for this review.. I nearly bought it until I saw how badly engineered it is with the port disrupting the cyclone flow... terrible!!!

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

There are a couple recent videos about replacing it with a dust deputy that works much better. This one just wouldn't catch the fine dust. Thanks for watching.

[@dj-bn1fj]

You can use a bag in any of them by connecting a hose from the can back to the inlet the idea is pull a vacuum to hold the bag in place but make sure to use a bag that stretch over the top so you don't have any leaks.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I just thought buying one that came from a factory with a bag would work properly from the start. From seeing how the turbulence from that piping looks to push the fine dust over the edge and into the filter makes me think that pipe location was a mistake. Thanks for watching.

[@2shoestoo]

Glad you got back to us on this. I think to be on the safe side stick with dust deputy or clear view the have good reviews and a proven product. You might check with Grizzly I’m sure the want there customers to be happy with there products.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

It's a great idea but doesn't work well for me. For just big chips you could probably live with it but it is no better then my old garbage can cyclone lid for dust. I definitely don't recommend this model. Thanks for watching.

[@dvan1901]

I have to say, I have this unit and do not have the same issues. A couple things to note from your video. First, at the :35 mark, you take the lid off of the unit and the metal ring that hold the bag down/in place is missing. It shows up at the 1:28 mark when you pull it out of the bottom of the barrel. That is an incorrect installation. The bag goes in first, then that ring goes over the bag. Also, the lid has a pretty good foam seal on the underside, so if you are not getting a good seal, you can adjust to the two lock down clamps on the barrel to get a tighter fit. As for the pressure hose, I'm not sure about that on mine, I'd have to go back and look and see, but that little bit of dust is nothing. As previously asked in other comments; what dust collector do you have connected to this? Maybe too much CFM being pulled in? Maybe partially open another blast gate?

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

It is hooked to the 2 hp grizzly they recommend it for. When I hook it to my thickness sander most of the dust goes right through it as shown in the video sanding the chest panels. You can see the turbulence caused by the tube causing it to roll right around. It gets most of the large chips but my old trash can lid did that for $29.00. I bought this for my 24 inch thickness sander and it is not good at all with the fine dust. You can't open other lines with the sander running. It was impossible to get a good seal on the crinkles in the oversized bag it comes with. I am stuck with it and will try cutting put the cross tube that seems to be causing the problem. Last grizzly tool for me, none of them are quite right. Thanks for watching.

[@GrampiesWorkshop]

How's she goin'? Thanks for the honest and detailed review. I don't mean this in a bad way, but you are picky about the tings you purchase or make. To me that makes you reviews valuable as I consider making or purchasing something you have reviewed. So thanks a lot for your views on these items. Take 'er easy!!!

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I have been trying to like this but give up and say it is not worth the $300.00 + shipping it costs. I definitely will not say something that I would not buy again is good. It just stinks to have to waste time trying to figure out if something can be made to work better and hopefully will save others the aggravation. Thanks for watching.

[@myckrych7154]

If you can use it without the bag, you can take the hose off and plug the pipes. You can just dump the canister. Not a great choice, but it should work.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I am doing that now. The fine dust still goes through but it gets most of the large chips without wrapping. I think the pipe must be cut out to solve that. The bag was the main reason I purchased it for. Thanks for watching

[@GabrielMillerd]

To understand this the hole, from the bag barrel to the cyclone, is to equalize the pressure ... otherwise the bag will invert and head down the tube. This 'feature' is only needed if you want to bag your material and it's a significant design change compared to just having material land in the barrel. It sounds like you would be happier without that feature. The need for plastic wrap seems most problematic and the bag's wire not fitting, in the video the wire is on the outside of the bag. It's important that the pressure outside of the bag not mix with the inside of the bag all that much, this is why the tube is small the there is the wire strap. I assume that the bag is raising up during dust collection, due to the bag not being secured and the pressure leaking around it. This causing the flow of particles to go right out into the filter as the container is 'full' and the dust has no where else to go. Again, the indication of this in my mind is that the bag wire/strap is not on the bag, this would mean the air can leak around the bag.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

For what I paid, I expected it to work right out of the box. Probably going to replace it with a dust deputy in the future. There's no way to properly seal the crinkled bag over the lip and the fine dust from my thickness sander is not caught by the cyclone. Great idea but poor implementation. Thanks for watching.

[@ralphgardner6284]

Thanks for the excellent review. I have been looking at ways to setup “way overdue” DC in my shop. Saw the grizzly and it looked ideal. Decided to check reviews on it and that brought me here. Why would they stick a pipe in the middle of a tornado? Too bad, since it is much less expensive “long term” to fix things before you take them to market.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I would definitely gone with a dust deputy if I saw this. That's what can happen when you try a new product. It is ok for large chips but the fine dust goes through it. Thanks for watching.

[@johnfithian-franks8276]

I'm with you, there shoulden't be a tube through the cyclone. If I was you I would cut that tube out and block the holes. I must admit I would have thought a company as big as Grizzly would have a better customer complaints department, but they seem to think if they ignore you the problem would go away. I for one will not be getting any Grizzly products and if enough of your subscribers shout enough they may realize their error.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

From looking at the dust trail going down and bypassing the cyclone right after that tube I am guessing that is most of the problem with dust passing through. I posted this video on their Twitter feed to let them know I am not happy. I am thinking about selling it and getting a dust deputy. Thanks for watching.

[@Mary-Mercedes]

You have 43K subscribers. They should be highly concerned to see how unhappy you are. Hope you get some kind of satisfying response from them when they see this video.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I doubt they'll do anything there's not much that can be done to change it. I posted the video to their Twitter page so they will see it. Disappointing to buy a brand new product that's not quite right. Thanks for watching.

[@michaelbrangham8914]

I was just about to pull the trigger (as in I had it in the shopping cart and was ready to purchase) I had youtube up in the other window and seen this video. I have decided not to purchase. I also have a thickness sander and do not want to go through your same trials, Thank you for sharing...and as for Grizzly...shame on you

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

It works with large planer chips but is not good for the sanding dust that clogs the filter very fast. I an trying to decide if I should try and cut out that cross tube or just quit wasting time, sell it on craigslist and get the big dust deputy. I definitely would not buy it again. Thanks for watching.

[@wormkillerdan6486]

Maybe try closing off the holes in the tube and see if the performance improves? I do believe that all these companies are using you as a quality tester for all their equipment! :)

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I took the hose off taped up the 2 openings and removed the bag. Still seeing the fine dust going right through. Makes me wonder how they test the prototypes when they design them in China. I bet it is just a computer simulation. For the price I expected this unit to work perfectly without fiddling. Thanks for watching.

[@gregmislick1117]

SEND IT BACK! along with a nice long letter about how lousy it is! - and links to these videos. Pretty darned clear that you gave it a good chance

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I have been trying to like it but now give up. It would cost me 50 bucks to ship it back besides already paying shipping to me so I am trying to decide if I should try cutting the pipe out or just selling it. I tweeted this video to Grizzly so they can see my issues. Thanks for watching.

[@johncourtneidge]

The shipping costs essentially doubles the cost of remote buying (including buying online). I guess that not much can be done in that regard . . . Aprt from, somehow, having the strength to buy less . . . Am I listening!

[@corydriver7634]

I’m with some of the other commentators, send it back and eat the shipping cost. Long term you’ll be fighting this thing forever and never be happy with it. Sometimes you just gotta punt. Good luck.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I am thinking about cutting that tube out now just to see if it makes a difference. Sure looks like that is the biggest problem and there is only one way to find out. If that doesn't work I will switch the cyclone to a dust deputy. Thanks for watching.

[@Conservator.]

My guess is that single cyclones can never filter all particles sizes. I think this cyclone does a fantastic job at separating large particles. To filter the dust like particles you probably need an array of smaller cyclones in series with this one. You just cannot expect a single cyclone to filter almost everything. Physics prevents that.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

My 2 dust deputies hooked to vacuums get almost all of it. This one has something wrong with the design to have high efficiency. At the price it is t it should work better. Thanks for watching.

[@christopherpardell4418]

Properly designed a single cyclone will get 99% or greater of all particles. The only particles it will miss are the ones that can stay suspended in the airflow regardless of centrifugal action and friction with the sidewalls of the cone. A series of separators will not remove finer particles because of their surface area to weight does not change, and each successive cyclone would reduce CFM and airspeed, which would LESSEN centrifugal separation and make it easier for fine particles to remain suspended. Ergo, smaller cyclones will not catch finer particles. This cyclone looks to be poorly designed because it does not have an inclined ramp to divert the incoming cyclonic flow down the surface of the funnel, which increases frictional separation. And that pipe leading thru the cyclone does not seem to be doing what it needs to do which is pull clean air from under the bag. I do not understand why it would be ported thru the cyclone plenum at all. If you are going to rely on one to keep the bag from deflating it should be ported into the tube leading from the cyclone to the blower. Not BEFORE the cyclone. That much dust at the bottom might also be because your bags get holes in them and the partial vacuum sucks the dust out the bottom of the bag. You could always opt to block off this port and just have the empty can catch all the particles. Dumping the whole can into the trash when it gets full.

[@Conservator.]

@@christopherpardell4418 thanks!

[@johncourtneidge]

Very nice analyss. Thank-you!

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

There is something going on in there causing the fine dust to go through. Thanks for watching.

[@grrobinso]

Grizzly seems very responsive to customer feedback. I wouldn’t be surprised if the president of the company sees this and orders changes to the product. You may also hear from them.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

This is a brand new product that I really thought was a good idea and I doubt they would change anything. Trying to decide if I should cut it up and mod it to see if I can get it to work or just try to sell it and buy a Dust Deputy. Thanks for watching.

[@wilbertolugo8700]

im having very loud noise and vibration in my grizz G0860.after speaking with them. they are sending me a new impeller. hopping that its properly balanced. if not I'm sending the unit back and ASTA LA VISTA GRIZZSLY never again.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I quit buying grizzly machines after my planer. Should hav avoided this also. I have had messages from buyers of saws like mine with major problems, luckily mine has been good so it all seems to be hit and miss with these offshore machines. Thanks for watching.

[@pctatc66]

thanks for the update. Will stick with the super dust deputy

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I should have gone that way. The fine thickness sander dust goes right through it. Thanks for watching.

[@themadhillbillycustoms5013]

How hard would it be to make your own cyclone the right way? Just a thought. I know how you like to make stuff and you are very good at it.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I have so many projects lined up I figured that I would just buy one that worked and not have to spend the time making one. If there were more hours in a day I probably would have tried. Thanks for watching.

[@garyknable1155]

I bet ya if you plugged that upper hole and drilled holes on the inside between the 2 walls I bet that would work

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

The tube seems to be the problem. Thinking about selling it and going with a dust deputy. Thanks for watching.

[@jaykepley5238]

Are you going to buy the Dust Deputy? Your health is the most important thing on this issue? I'm setting up a workshop now. I have an old jet 2 horsepower dust collector but I'm thinking about buying a clear Vue. I think the saying goes something like this: buy once cry once. Be safe and take care of your lungs.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

The clearview needs all 6 inch pipe and large gates so that was not an option for me. Was just trying to stop my grizzly filter from plugging so fast and thought all cyclones were pretty efficient. Learned a lesson with this one. I am thinking dust deputy now. Shouldn't have second guessed myself. Thanks for watching.

[@MrGeroth]

Thanks for sharing

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

Thanks for watching.

[@ScreamingEagleFTW]

did you try running it without that thin hose connecting the top to the bottom? I wonder why they have that hose. I havent seen any other cyclones with a hose like that?

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

It sucks the plastic bag down.

[@ScreamingEagleFTW]

@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 The Dust Deputy doesnt have the balancer tube on it. Does the bag get sucked up with the Dust Deputy? I was going to get the Grizzly until I watched your video. Now Im leaning back to the Dust Deputy XL

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I think dust deputy uses a plastic insert . I have some videos setting up my dust deputy and use 55 gallon barrels . This one is definitely not good for fine dust.

[@ScreamingEagleFTW]

@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 are you saying its on the inside on the DD?

[@anonymousgeorge4321]

I'm very happy with my Super Dust Deputy mounted above a 55 gal. drum with Harbor Freight power.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I shouldn't have changed my mind and gone with the dust deputy I originally was going to order. This one has problems with the fine dust. Thanks for watching.

[@m3rdpwr]

Well, that's unfortunate.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

It is a great idea but just doesn't work right for my needs. You could see how the dust hit the turbulence by that pipe and just went right through it. I learn from my mistakes and and should have gone with the dust deputy that was my original choice. Thanks for watching.

[@oddopops1327]

😊

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

Thanks for watching.

[@oddopops1327]

Contact them, if they don't make it right with you then Modify it. That would make a great video 😊

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

There's not much they can do and shipping it back would cost a lot. I tweeted the video to them and will see if they reply. I may just buy a dust deputy and try to sell this. Thanks for watching.

[@bobkeller8383]

@@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 how much you selling it for?

[@ryanhenderson9125]

Did you find any resolution to this? Did you cut out the pipe or trade it for the Dust Deputy?

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

Tried selling it to buy a dust deputy but no real interest justtire kickers. I am probably going to cut the tube out and tee it to the dust collector line like Oneida does on their bag units before the next project. Thanks for watching.

[@spresc2180]

Just wondering if you looked at reviews of this product, or just mfrs advertising before buying this item. You strike me as a research sort of guy.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

It's a brand new product that was supposed to work with my model dust collector. I got one of the first shipments. Was getting ready to order a dust deputy and saw this online. I really liked how easy it was supposed to be to just swap out a bag and decided to order one. I thought all cyclones were about the same efficiency but now I know they are not. I am guessing that tube they put through the cyclone is part of the problem looking at the dust path. Just wanted to let everyone know that I wouldn't buy it again after seeing it is not much better than the old cyclone garbage can lid used with the fine dust. Thanks for watching.

[@williamdavis8910]

I swear you must be an engineer . Ive been in wood working well over 30 years and the most annoying picky people that come into our shop are engineers ... they usually travel with digital calipers .. once my employees see those come out they all run because they know its gonna be a really looooong afternoon

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

Yes if something doesn't work right you want to know why. People that are afraid of the truth run. Thanks for watching.

[@johnathanray8977]

thumbs down just for the Democrat commercial

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

I have no control over the commercials you see. Google uses your settings to determine that. I have requested no political commercials but that hasn't happened. If you don't click on the commercials and thumbs down them when they open you will continue to see the same ones and it's only going to get worse the next 4 weeks. Thumbs down on a video only hurts the creator analytics. Thanks for watching

[@robslifting4life]

I have the older version, it's a real piece of shit. Cloggs up all the time.

[@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023]

They definitely are garbage. I switched to a dust deputy and it works great. Thanks for watching.