UPDATED SoD Phase 4 Molten Core DPS Tier List - Season of discovery

[@SargsCats]

Looking sharp Jerome! - Thrymm! Love your videos very refined and informational!

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@SargsCats love you thrymm hope life is treating you well my friend

[@lordjaraxxus5418]

I honestly like the rotation for ranged hunter in sod since phase 3 (with trap launcher/lock n load). If they really want to change the spec away from traps. buff arcane shot and serpent sting to sale with ap at the cost of the TnT rune and swap lock n load with expose weakness runes. give hunters a reason to pick up steady shot/melee spec over expose weakness.

[@NOHITJEROME]

rotation in p3 was a blast..loved chimera, loved serpent sting. don't like how the traps became the star. i like the idea of moving runes around and nerfing traps slightly. hopefully they don't gut the class and make them irrelevant though. next to warriors the face of classic is hunters imo

[@Rueztwo]

Thinking about starting Sod but i only have lvl 25, is it worth starting again?

[@BroznikTSOC]

I find it pretty fun

[@CatDad09]

I’m loving my Survival/MM Hunter. Got 4-set T1, MC quest bow and it’s really a blast to play.

[@NOHITJEROME]

man is there any more fun questchain than rhokdelar? hope you had a blast doing it and didn't get griefed too hard. favorite 2019 classic memory here

[@CatDad09]

@@NOHITJEROME Yeah, it’s pretty cool. I’d never done it before at least while the content was current (p1 Classic I mean) and it was pretty damn hard. Probably much easier than Classic considering I have trap launcher with 9 second CDs lol

[@thefinalskarm1754]

Only thing more fun than rhokdelar are people trying to help then getting zone striked and killed

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@CatDad09 oh yeah i didn't consider that the quest would be easier. i had to try for multiple days especially on the part with shadow damage. needed gspps for that. kiting the demon around the ungoro lake was griefer central too lol

[@CatDad09]

@@thefinalskarm1754 RIP to all of the Warlocks in HC that just wanted to help lmao

[@yoslo6832]

Warlocks Unite

[@NOHITJEROME]

warlocks own...hard part is getting a 2nd one to do support duties. hope you get that my friend

[@Muddy2366]

Gaat eeehm it's nice

[@yoslo6832]

@@NOHITJEROME our comp doesn’t allow for a second dps lock so I am stuck being support but I will fulfill the duties so we can win

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@Muddy2366 YOU enjoying warlock muddy? they might be the most underrated classic righgt now

[@NOHITJEROME]

yaaaa that's usualy the case. you see the #1 parse has a 2nd lock, I would have bet $1000000 on that before I clicked the parse...sure enough there it was lol. how did I know? our lock complains ALL THE TIME about how good he'd be if he didn't have to be support lock

[@kyleshortridge94]

Being a cute gnome warlock paid off in the long run.

[@NOHITJEROME]

that ALWAYS pays off kyle..now you have your pick of any group on the alliance. the horde however will NOT be bringing any cute gnome warlocks

[@kyleshortridge94]

@@NOHITJEROME good thing I’m already working on an illegal resto sham to spy on horde side. They are kitted

[@BigHank8633]

Feel like the hunter needs more attention. There's 4 hunter builds right now. Mm, Surv, 2h melee and DW melee.. like saying nerf hunter with no nuance is a big oversight

[@NOHITJEROME]

yeah...i'm with you. if they are going to nerf the traps for the #1 spec they need to make up for it with increased viability for other specs at the very least. they have abandoned melee hunter

[@blondiwithstyle]

How are you putting ele shaman and shadow priest in the same tier? You just showed that ele shamans do around -600dps compared to spriests. Spriest also gives a ton of utility to the raid (insane healing with vamp embrace and they can dispell). Same could be said vs ret paladin (simming 3.5k) vs balance druid (2.6k) but still being in the same dps tier? I am also not sure about the warrior spot. Sure, with all the buffs, bis gear, worldbuffs, debuffs, perfect raid composition etc, they do damage. Without it? They suck. How many % of the player base do we think fulfill these above conditions?

[@NOHITJEROME]

hi blondiwithstyle, this tier list was pure dps, the utility / aoe was not really factored in so much. mostly current dps took priority, some of the differences in terms of sim numbers come from who made the rotations for the sims and how they are coded. ie spriest is lower now than it was because they stealth nerfed the tier set. i do agree that warrior avg will be lower, top end warriors will reach full potential though

[@KingNikkz]

At the very least, even the bottom tier dps are more than enough to clear the raid. Of course it helps, but we cleared Heat 3 without a mage at all, 3 rets, 2moonkins and probably below A average classes.

[@NOHITJEROME]

it's true, you can do it. in a way the utility of boomkins/rets can carry the raid too. none of the fights are dps checks. but people will only ever care about damage

[@Jollynever]

Hey Jerome, how are you running sims? Is it a website? Also, will we be seeing a return of a new Jacket for yourself?

[@NOHITJEROME]

all with the wow sims wowsims.github.io/sod/ using recommended sim from each discord, the jacket is gone but we could try something new. full body gnome suit?

[@Jollynever]

@@NOHITJEROME the entirety of GulchTrotters Horde (Shadowstrike AU) would smash donations for the gnome suit to happen. A new era emerges

[@mikesousa4733]

Rogue need biggest buff IMO. They should always be top dps no contest.

[@NOHITJEROME]

well to be fair rogues have a great pr machine..they are much more vocal than many classes. not as much as warrior but they are up there lol

[@kristofferdekkerhus2992]

THERE IS NO CONTEST LMAO, L2P MFKER

[@Yohan300]

Season of Hunters been OP every single phase and phase 4 is no different. Chimera shot and Fire trap is 2 tapping people

[@NOHITJEROME]

it's funnny because each phase they are broken in a different way. p1 pets, p2 melee, p3 chimera, p4 traps. what will p5 bring

[@Raavyx_]

Yet the hunter discort is perma crying about nerfs haha

[@RoxtonN]

Stop crying noob! 😂😂😂

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@Raavyx_ smart discords lobby for their class. Loudest voices get what they want in these games lol

[@sirnicholibraden86]

​@@NOHITJEROMEListening to the whiny masses is how WoW turned into retail in the first place. Never listen to players.

[@Dragynfist]

Tell me a phase that shamans have not outperformed paladins in multiple specs

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmmm. there hasn't been a phase yet but now we have hpal dominating heals at least. not that anyone plays healer so nobody cares about that lol

[@Eptackt18]

​@@NOHITJEROMEExactly

[@Eptackt18]

​​​@@NOHITJEROMEAnd who cares about healing parses. It's not like HPal is OP anyway so, just because they overheal a lot the MT's and so can do high HxS doesn't make other healers complain, because it would be stupid to do so. We all know they are powerful and needed too.

[@NguyenAnhVu10]

Been playing boomkin since phase 2. Still holding on to hope that they’ll get enough love to compete with other dps classes. Been super disappointing. If mages and hunters get instant fire blast and aim shot, why can’t boomie gets instant starfire?

[@NOHITJEROME]

i believe you will get buffs. so your dream buff if they do change it is instant starfire? issue is wpvp and pvp in general - they have to factor in the r14 grind coming up and people hate long range instant death lol

[@sirnicholibraden86]

​@NOHITJEROME Even just a bit more dmg on dots, starfire, or wrath would do is well I think. Don't need an instant starfire as that would be too OP in pvp.

[@NguyenAnhVu10]

@@NOHITJEROME not really what I meant. But having something similar, maybe a trigger of some sort. Like hunters need to place trap and set it before they can instant aim shot. I don’t know what they can do, I just know at the current state, boomie dps is no where near other classes. And our 3% crit aura for casters is so meh at this point.

[@TheRealNenharm]

my level 52 hunter 3 shots level 60s in AV, which is 3 globals between 2 chim shots and a killshot

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmm...ok that's a problem. but to be fair i bet rogues can do that too..probably similar

[@TheRealNenharm]

@NOHITJEROME if im feeling spicy on my rogue I use a thistle tea and it usually gives me what I need to finish someone off

[@JohnSmith-ez5pw]

If they take around 8% off rogues and Hunters there will big a big pack of classes around the same DPS

[@NOHITJEROME]

do you think that's what they should do john? i don't mind some outliers honestly. as long as next phase we get some slight shifts so it's not the same meta for 1 year

[@swiishtv]

The thing is rogues need the damage. They provide literally nothing else to a raid.

[@leaveacomment]

​@@swiishtvYea there's already too little raid spots for all the rogues, imagine having less reason to take them or taking less in quantity. Would be silly to make people have to stop playing their class.

[@Chopsntv]

There cant be too less rouges sneaking around open world pissing off people all day long

[@tnshanobighost6749]

Enhance shaman still feels and plays great

[@NOHITJEROME]

no doubt they are great, and they are getting the better end of the deal than rets. also great tanks. not complaining over here, just noting they are no longer top 3 and breaking the game like p3 :D

[@Permuh]

Leave hunters alone, buff the other classes to be not so far behind the hunter. Being the only class without an alternative role should have some benefit on the damage meters

[@NOHITJEROME]

agreed that hunters deserve to do top 3 damage because they bring nothing else to the table. but right now they are annoying in pvp and topping the meters in pve. likely going to see at least some small nerfs

[@maxpowers5055]

20k dps in mc kinda feel lol, come to Deviate Delight.... we'll see how the meta shifts once TWW drops. We need a real classic plus to drop. Too bad there is no Blizz Con this year, likely international.

[@NOHITJEROME]

wait until naxx we'll be doing 8k dps lmao it's the only way

[@maxpowers5055]

​@NOHITJEROME prior to SOD what xpac did you primarily play?

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@maxpowers5055 i came back for 2019 classic, played that, tbc, wotlk, now back to sod. i do like the deviate delight project, its just mannn you start doing 2-3 servers at the same time it all becomes too much lol. it's why i had to take a cata break. have you found the deviate delight project to be taking up a ton of time?

[@maxpowers5055]

@NOHITJEROME I played beta 04' in college was hooked, fell off of SOD, Cata kinda burnt out but still fun, but DD having a blast. Last retail I played was MoP came back for HC September of last year. Being a HC Diablo 2 gigaChad. Love how interactive you are with your fans. Keep up the good work!

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@maxpowers5055 thanks max powers, im in a similar place, didn't play the beta but i did a lot of tbc back in 2007-2008, came back in 2019. came back for classic/hc and everything similar to you. i want to play everything i just find it hard to keep up with all the game modes at this point lol

[@RiverStiix]

Did ret dirty tbh, I checked out the sim myself and used the rotation thing, and with FR gear, we're looking at 3900 dps. Where did this 3400 come from?

[@NOHITJEROME]

it's from the discord, maybe I didn't pull the newest one. whether 3400 or 3900 i don't see it getting reached though. rets are definitely on the underpowered side at least looking at them from over here (horde biased)

[@RiverStiix]

@@NOHITJEROME Oh for sure, I was just saying in sims it was 3900 from the first thing I checked

[@NOHITJEROME]

fair point these sims are all basically only as good as the person editing/fixing the rotations and fixing the bugs. rets have very good people on that compared to some classes

[@_blasfemy]

been trying to get an answer on this question i have for a couple days but nobody seems to know anything... is the PVP gear for priest gonna get spellpower or is it just going to stay a healer set and be pointless to go after for spriest? i wanna pvp but it seems like for my class, there is zero incentive

[@NOHITJEROME]

There’s 2 sets right? I think u will have to tweet blizzard or post on forums. It’s probably more of an oversight than a conspiracy

[@dabalance6928]

If I'm not mistaken, the rank 10 set is for spriest

[@OMGsJski]

There is 2 sets but the shadow priest set is not worth getting. Low on spell damage and no crit. They have mp5 on the strong pieces which is a dead stat

[@NopeAce631]

hunters cannot tank or heal, so why shouldnt they being amongst the top if not top dps. put them mid and there is no reason to play them.

[@NOHITJEROME]

fair point but the negative sentiment is shifting and they will need a small nerf to appease most players

[@franck7912]

stupid point, when you play a holy paladin ur stick with it, you cannot wake up one morning and say fuck to ur guild i'm rerolling tank. All the gear that you've got, tokens that have one spec is kinda lost

[@jimmyhopkins4095]

as a non hunter i agree, they should blast hard. as a ret i hope we get a very slight buff tho

[@BREAKocean]

@@franck7912 For my guild, we have had priests druids and paladins flex between different roles and we never had trouble. And with dual spec being put into the game as well has extra heat levels to get more loot, the classes can roll more OS than ever before. We already have some of our tier going to OS if we're not pugging. In classic classic, when there was less loot and no dual spec, I think youre "sticking with it" is more true

[@poffo954]

Melee hunters needs a Giantic BUFF. And Hunters aint even close to be OP for a normal average player.

[@NOHITJEROME]

melee hunters need SOMETHING..relying on traps with clunky hitboxes just doesn't feel good either

[@poffo954]

@@NOHITJEROME True. I will agree on the something. Maybe reverse the raptor nerf :)

[@CatDad09]

Hunters do not need to be nerfed. Sims are complete bait and not realistic to what Hunters are doing in raid. Hand of Injustice is also sim bait, most Hunters don’t even know it’s bad. Traps are a large % of damage yet they don’t hit on Rag half the time and you need pixel perfect precision on others. We have to stand max range distance on some fights and we can’t always throw traps, without standing in danger of boss mechanics. Tanks moving bosses kills our DPS too, we have to stand still for our crit buff.

[@NOHITJEROME]

fair point on rag the positioning is a nightmare. i'd say the argument against hunter right now is even if they get nerfed then they'll just start melee weaving and outputting even MORE damage. maybe hunters aren't broken, but the avg hunter is ahead of pretty much all casters and everyone really

[@CatDad09]

@@NOHITJEROME No offense, but I think that would be the worst argument for nerfing hunters because melee weaving in raids is about as clunky and ineffective against bosses, ones that are larger scale. If you really want to move MM Hunters away from Traps, they need to rework the spec and talent tree all together because the MM tree is quite useless, we need Traps to do any amount of damage period. Perhaps giving us Lock/Load proc chance on crit every 8 seconds would be a fair trade off. What they can do to appease everyone is rework the hit-boxes of world/raid bosses to compensate for poor activation range of traps. Then reduce the initial hit damage of Explosive Trap and move 100% of the damage removed to the DoT debuff. They already fixed entrapment and that appeased 50% of the complaints from AV. The vast majority complaining about Hunters frankly don’t understand that Hunter is a glass-cannon class with no defense, mitigation or sustain. If you close the gap or LoS us, we will always lose. We don’t even have the skill that lets us jump backwards like in Wrath. I’ve said this before but balancing classes and specs around PvP in SoD will only ever appease 10% and frustrate the 90% because at the end of the day SoD is a PvE focused game.

[@CatDad09]

@@NOHITJEROME We are miles ahead of some classes on the sims. Hunter has been a sim cheese spec since P4. What you see in your raids isn’t anywhere near 4K with near BiS gear and world buffs either due to mechanical problems with melee weave and traps on bosses + some bosses that require us to move out of Sniper Training. Yeah, if we stand completely still and are fighting a target dummy where our traps hit 10/10 times, sure. But we still can’t melee weave and play Ranged optimally due to Sniper Training. Even THEN in perfect scenarios, Ferals and Rogues can still easily beat us in most single target fights where they aren’t getting feared, they just have better damage uptime during movement.

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@CatDad09 Reworking boss hitboxes makes sense, nerf trap damage a bit? I fully agree I HATE Classic melee weaving, it's clunky and miserable. At best it should reward you with 200-300 more dps but it should NEVER be required at all. I think they will need to move hunters away from traps though and more towards shots again similar to P3. That was a fun gameplay loop for me at least, haven't hit 60 on my Hunter since P4 though. Full agreement that Hunter is a glass cannon and as the only class without a tank/heal spec they do deserve to blast. But nerfs are probably coming

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@CatDad09 I played hunter in p3 and I know what you mean about unrealistic sims. Still there is probably a location on every fight where you can basically never move if planned in advance. I agree ferals/rogues will beat you consistently though. On the PTR hunter was never #1 consistently. Not sure exactly why they are overperforming so hard

[@krayways]

BOTTOM ELE SHAM united we're stronk!

[@NOHITJEROME]

pitch me a buff kray - what needs to get changed? (something that doesnt break pvp)

[@zophix-5741]

​@@NOHITJEROME Ele doesn't have any good caster totems. Could start with that. Here's a few ideas; Flametongue Totem - Provides 120 Spell Power Grace of Air Totem - Also Provides 5% Spell Haste Eye of the Storm Talent - Changed to always provide 70% Spell Pushback reduction. Storm Reach - Changed to also increase the range of shock spells to 36yd. Lightning Mastery - Changed to further reduce the cast time of lightning bolt to 1.5 seconds. Improved Fire Totems - Changed to also increase the effect of Flame Tongue Totem by 15%. I think the biggest buff they could provide ele is to make the T1 6 set bonus baseline to Lava Burst. This change would not break pvp. Make the new 6 set 5% crit or Elemental Mastery have a 10 second duration, idk.

[@krayways]

@@NOHITJEROME Make the lightningbolt RAMP up. 2-3-4 in a row will make them hit harder. IN pvp you can never stand still and shot that long casts. So it would only boost us in PVE.

[@Zeph914]

The sad part is im usually top damage as an ele sham! Any mechanics i stay at the top and the moment they get to stand still is when they start catching up. Made me realize i was just playing with sub par players who had more time then skills lol.

[@Zeph914]

@@kraywayshaving it ramp up by 5% each time to about 25% and fall off after 5 seconds

[@Kragith0]

I'm not looking for a damage increase for warriors. I would like however more reliable aoe damage for prot warrior/fury.

[@NOHITJEROME]

i agree, more aoe damage would be a big difference imo. what would you suggest specifically?

[@Kragith0]

@@NOHITJEROME Since a lot of runes look to retails previous abilities I was thinking either when you thunder clap/whirlwind to spread rend to targets hit or maybe if whirlwind were to hit 3+ targets it reduces it's cool down by 6 seconds?

[@Davehww6w6qq]

Is fire resist gear needed for the trash mobs?

[@NOHITJEROME]

yes same exact mechanics on trash unfortunately so you dont really get to swap gear too much

[@mrklene8379]

Shadow priest rise up

[@NOHITJEROME]

did you see the hidden 50% nerf on tier set? no clue why they did that lol it was not needed

[@mrklene8379]

@@NOHITJEROME yes it was very powerful when paired with the despair rune. I was melting people in PvP. Charging head first into the horde Zerg no fear.

[@alanschellenberger9356]

What is this?​@@NOHITJEROME

[@danielfrankenfield2865]

Have you looked into bm event in recent times started lvling a pally who’s bis trinket is locked to bm event and everyone telling me it’s dead

[@NOHITJEROME]

bloodmoon? it';s probably pretty dead ya. i'd farm near the boss / altars and see how it is, probably pretty empty though

[@danielfrankenfield2865]

@@NOHITJEROME yeah had someone say maybe i could farm the mobs around to just get small amounts of coins

[@robertpindar-ark5222]

Is this for heat 3 or heat 1 coz as someone who is sweaty not in a non sweaty raid doing heat 1 I think it’s completely different

[@NOHITJEROME]

heat1 all dps per class goes up 100-200 or more, some classes impacted more. id say the top 5 classes are still really similar though

[@Ganooch]

Every day that ends in Y is a nerf hunter day. It's coming...

[@NOHITJEROME]

monday nerf hunters tuesday nerf hunters wednesday nerf hunters thursday nerf hunters friday nerf hunters saturday day off sunday day off

[@dirk9798]

Hunters are just one big design flaw at this point. Explosive trap should not be doing the damage it does, it should do the damage of a concecration or magma totem, thier go to aoe ability should be volley and on single target imolation trap should be outperforming. Freezing trap and frost trap should not trigger lock and load, all bosses and most mobs are immume to both all they do is clutter the entire battlefield with an ice plate that does not add a single thing.

[@NOHITJEROME]

yeah i agree they are messed up at this point. i kind of liked p3 hunter with lock n load and the traps but it didn't feel broken at that point. getting back to incentivizing immo trap instead and making hunters have to choose between single target vs aoe makes a lot of sense

[@fanofcodd]

Did my Rok Delar quest , everything is fine so far. Why would it be nerfed ? There is always one class doing more dps and it being the class with 0 heal and no tanking , while having very hard time with position , having to put aoe each 4 gcd (I don't know any class with that) and having to stay still or not being able to use one of your main damage ability , it all seems pretty fair that in optimal situation it deals more. Because in worse situations it is just not doing anything. Try to find good positions on Onyxia for exemple with that freaking hitbox. It's not because people have always been crying about hunters since 2004 that it is a legitimate complain. Sure , pets 1hko people in p1 was bad , and it got rightfully nerf. It was due to the fact on how scalling for pets is done. Now pets are just unusable. P2 melee was strong but no true hunter likes melee , range was just trash , sub tank level of dps. P3 was okay. And now p4 , people complained about trap launcher which I understand. But the nerf was done very poorly. They put DR on snare which is okay , and took ice trap out of trap laucher which is also okay , but they should have done one or the other , not both. Hunter PVP is a joke if the oponent get on melee range. If you manage to reach it , you win , simple. I also play rogue so I can tell you , there is nothing easier to kill than a hunter on melee. Sure on range , we rock. But we need that with all the gap closers other class got and that deadzone which is impossible to get out from with the burst nature of pvp in SOD. People should stop crying. They want the cheese , the milk , the money for the milk and the ass of the lady selling the milk. If you listen to people , hunter should not be able to do damage on range , not be able to use traps in fight , not be able to get out of melee and of course not be able to do decent damage in PVE ...

[@NOHITJEROME]

First of all huge grats on Rhok delar, one of my favorite questlines ever and a big acccomplishment P2 was the main dark time, melee being that strong was a big problem IMO. Most frustration right now comes from the PvP aspect - the traps are clearly not fair in AV right now even post-nerf, and hunters are always still getting highest HKs in every AV. I empathize with the frustration on fights like ony with positioning, and I agree that if they are going to nerf ie trap damage then they need to make your gameplay less punishing if you move 3 inches during the fight

[@Charx121]

Sarthe tweeting about misinformation though 💀

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmm..he said alliance were weaker than horde, i think that is true unless i missed part of it

[@michaelredfield8809]

3 hunters in the top 200 in ST, 6 in the top 200 for gnomer, and ONE hunter in the top 200 in blackfathom. this is the first phase they have top representation and everyone wants to nerf them? we still have yet to see warriors and rogues and ferals with full bis/world buffs.. They already nerfed trap launch in pvp. Also, they are getting boosted because of a couple aoe fights. Let them be.

[@NOHITJEROME]

fair points but hunteres were topping in those phases pre-nerf, they got nerfed and ENDED UP there. remember how busted melee hunter was? i agree they are unfairly boosted by aoe fights and aren't as good as they look. but i'm not sure the rest of the population will be happy until they get some small nerfs

[@garrettsondgerath9877]

Will you do one for healers?!

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmm..id love to but not sure yet. currently hpal king because it's a raid of tank healing. disc 2nd shaman 3rd (tank heals) rdruid last. funny part is druid outputs the most heals in perfect scenarios, but ther'es no raid damage. buit decurse is so op so you probably always bring one. as for healing mage, i saw a high performing one but idk how many we'll see

[@garrettsondgerath9877]

@@NOHITJEROME yeah I play resto shaman, I feel like I’m doing most of the healing because everyone else is on utility while I just zug

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@garrettsondgerath9877 yeah you are set up to tank heal better than priests. so maybe the real order is ret -> sham -> disc -> druid (mage can be top or last but i'll never see any lol) - reality is priest steals a lot of the healing with shields, but you only need tank healing for 90% of the raid. i do wish shamans were on hpal level. would make my healing on disc so chill but hpal is just BUSTED For this raid and tank healing

[@mjjw.8982]

Was von vacation for 3 weeks. Yesterday i try tonfind a dungeongrp. Playing ahaman is still meh.so many... Im ele hoping finding some grps bec. Enhancer is soooo much. Wondering if i try a other class. My shadow or trInf hunter. Dont know.xD

[@NOHITJEROME]

shaman is still incredibly desirable my friend. i would keep that shaman going and let the groups roll in. i hope your vacation was fantastic, where did you go my friend?

[@mjjw.8982]

@@NOHITJEROME Diving from top of Germany to Italien. It was hot. But Kids Loved IT. So WE love IT.... My Druid is now.lvl 50 doing some runes and then i think i Go full feral Main!:D

[@Kivrus]

I just play what I like. Ranged hunter every phase Even in p2 I played ranged when melee was meta Imo you need to enjoy the game. Meta sux

[@NOHITJEROME]

to be fair kivrus you played one of the 3-4 strongest spec/classes the whole expansion. the dark period in p2 where melee was op was rough and it's admirable you kept with it. but imagine being like..idk a boomkin this whole time lol

[@asdfrewqtyf]

Jerome is talking like we can change something after seeing the tier list but it was so hard to roll an alt even in p3, now it's even harder :D

[@NOHITJEROME]

it's a good point, we are locked in right now. when will the catchup mechanics come? the rune vendor? i'd love to be able to buy some runes with all the blackrock currency we are getting but that's probably optimistic

[@asdfrewqtyf]

I agree, hopefully solution is on the way!

[@Lfoeköeliifkkkkkdkfjfjskkf]

Melee dps with mana have a hard time finding a raidspot. Simply no space around rag.

[@NOHITJEROME]

yeah that knockback mechanic has always been the bane of my existence. was hoping they might change it this time around but no luck lol

[@dremora2232]

Jerome kinda looks like he could be Post Malone’s older brother 😂

[@nevanbroderick4227]

When will Blizzard wake up and realize they need to buff my Gladiator DPS build... sajj

[@NOHITJEROME]

lol true..and arms..why did they abandon arms?

[@nevanbroderick4227]

@@NOHITJEROME Remember when you could stack Windfury, Hand of Justice, Sword Spec and just spam hamstring for phat deeps? I member...

[@MrMcjiggins]

bro aint mething around with this one

[@NOHITJEROME]

lmao is that a lisp joke or a reference to my old streams because those were 100% DRUG FREE MISTER

[@sirnicholibraden86]

​@@NOHITJEROMEPretty sure he's just referencing the energy you put into your vids lol

[@skynight9808]

Will there be death knights here?

[@NOHITJEROME]

probably in classic+..dks and monks 100% lmao

[@ralos329]

wait. why is there no healing going on? I quit last phase.

[@NOHITJEROME]

it's 2019 MC but with a few small extra mechanics and required fire resistance for every raider. There's almost zero raid damage going out, it's pretty much purely tank healing needed. That means you can even 2 heal if you really want to, but it's risky due to world buffs.

[@BREAKocean]

ret's need a buff. atleast shamans have a good dps spec

[@NOHITJEROME]

not wrong..www.wowhead.com/classic/news/itemization-updates-to-zulgurub-class-sets-on-the-season-of-discovery-phase-5-346293 seems like your set is very holy shockadin based too. my favorite but probably not yours lol

[@BREAKocean]

@NOHITJEROME they have been shoving shockadin since gnomer I'm not surprised

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@BREAKocean well i love shockadin but it doesnt work very well in pvp when everyone has 10k+ hp lol

[@BREAKocean]

@@NOHITJEROME 100% agree

[@Zeph914]

Shamans will always be needed foe them totems

[@NOHITJEROME]

agreed, but you can bring resto sham, you can bring enhance x2 or x3 (tank and dps) and then the ele can be replaced

[@queenmarsia]

elemental shamans need to be nerfed somehow where it only effects them in pvp, but a buff that effects them in pve. Paladin rets need massive buffs as usual, they suck. and hunters dont need nerfs. they are a pure dps class.

[@NOHITJEROME]

what would you propose to nerf ele in pvp? what about longer cast times but higher avg dps per cast? still annoying to get one shot though

[@sirnicholibraden86]

Why is Arms warrior just left in the dust?

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmm..good question. not viable in pve right now. hunters carrying in pvp. we'll see arms back in the discussion soon when r14 grind starts up and everyone starts looking for frontliners

[@StevenWilson-nq6cz]

Problem is dude... most of those low dps in raids are gods in pvp... buffing them is going to be ridiculous in pvp.

[@NOHITJEROME]

yeah for example you can't buff boomkin in raids because then you break them in pvp. that's why i think a hit buff to boomkin is the most logical since it doesn't move the needle much in pvp

[@marcoalvarez7831]

they really need to balance cos is really a chaos thats its

[@NOHITJEROME]

it's chaos at the top with hunter/rogue, and some classes are 1.5k dps behind. which class should get a buff? i think ele sham

[@jewbacca7777]

Hunters having fun again... unacceptable, quick blizz nerf them

[@NOHITJEROME]

hunters have had the most fun in fairness..remember scorpions in p1? cant really beat that fun wise lol

[@Marc-n1e]

They have not had the most fun because they get nerfd immediatly anytime they’re good.

[@Guroji]

Dont worry, Warriors will get gear and be #1 again in 3 weeks.

[@NOHITJEROME]

i think you are right..especially if hunter/rogue get a very small nerf. warrior dominance is inevitable

[@Raavyx_]

i wish 2hand would be at least somewhat viable...they gutted the runes

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@Raavyx_ agreed. Is there anything cooler than a warrior blasting with bre..ashkandi.. might of menethil

[@andrewcol3313]

Buffing ele is doom for pvp.

[@NOHITJEROME]

so how do we buff ele without ruining pvp? it's such a tough problem to solve zz

[@andrewcol3313]

@@NOHITJEROME I agree but there is a very easy solution. Make lava burst return mana and deal 50% less dmg in pvp. Blizzard already has the ability to make abilities less powerful in pvp and why they are not implementing that tech is beyond me.

[@MetaKnight62]

BOOMKIN!!

[@NOHITJEROME]

agreed boom needs a buff but what should it be? we already went down the starsurge route lol

[@baliika24]

Imo warrior need some buffs...

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmm..what would be the buff you recommend? i'd say aoe changes

[@baliika24]

@@NOHITJEROME aoe for sure.. Back in the day warriors had a good dps, now they struggle to do anything..

[@jimmyhopkins4095]

@@baliika24 warriors will be nr 1 dps on the later phases, just like classic, cause they scale the most out of all

[@travissimpson3199]

Umm hunter's are no way op no nerf's needed😊

[@NOHITJEROME]

ok i believe you..by the way you dont happen to be maining a hunter do you? hahaha :D

[@TaehunGrammar]

Warriors?

[@NOHITJEROME]

moving up..will they be #1 by the end of the phase? many think so

[@jasonlefebvre1076]

Wars need a buff, even giving us back like 10% more dmg on pants rune or some thing I feel would be enough

[@NOHITJEROME]

They are gonna give it a few weeeks to see how full bis world buffed warriors perform. I take it you have low hopes for those upcoming parses lol

[@tonyz7690]

Rofl buff warrs

[@jasonlefebvre1076]

@NOHITJEROME I do yea, single target is alright but warrior aoe is lacking bad.

[@KLMR]

we do not need buffs, we are simming 4220 with H3 reqs lol.

[@DominicSmith-qe2yx]

Can you do one for heals please.

[@NOHITJEROME]

i'd love to, will see if there's time but for now #1 hpal #2 discpriest #3 restosham #4 restodruid #5 mage (mage has some insane parses so might secretly be sleeper good) - hpal insane tank heals, priest steals all heals with shield, rsham is best horde tankheal and the meta is 90% tank healing so they might actually be better than disc honestly. rdruid is bis output healer but nobody cares because the raid is all tank heals. though decursing is a rare art and always will be in demand

[@theamazingfroboy]

Honestly not a fan of tier lists but your editing made it enjoyable.

[@NOHITJEROME]

Yo thanks a lot amazing fro boy, I am glad the editing made it more enjoyable. Do you not really like the idea of ranking classes based purely on dps or is it even deeper than that?

[@theamazingfroboy]

@@NOHITJEROME Pretty much that. I think DPS is certainly important but things like utility matter so much more IMO. For instance, Shadow Priest may not do great damage without help but the two Vampiric spells are so huge. Infinite mana for raid is so good and having them in the Tank group passively out healing actual healers is so strong for a 20 man composition. To a lesser extent, Elemental Shaman don't have great damage but having Tranquil Air totem in for your Fire Mages & Destro Warlocks or Tremor totem for a healer group on Ony is worth more then any amount of damage they may be lacking in.

[@NOHITJEROME]

​@@theamazingfroboy SPriest utility is so strong that they could do 1000 DPS and I'd still want to stack four of them in the raid so I 100% get your point. The problem is..99% of this playerbase only cares about doing damage. Utility is something for raid leaders to worry about lol. Everyone wants to be the hero, support is just not rewarded. IE with farming - you get rewarded for doing more damage and killing mobs faster..really applies to all aspects of the game

[@rebornduck9710]

Retri come nax phase at s+

[@NOHITJEROME]

what will make them scale so well? just new wweapons and endgame tier?

[@jimmyhopkins4095]

where are the mages lol?

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmm..mages at the top #1 now after the rogue nerfs

[@emilwetterlindhofgard5182]

I always roll the wrong class 😅

[@NOHITJEROME]

same..i roll a healer in a game where nobody wants to heal. so the devs make the raids not need healing lol

[@emilwetterlindhofgard5182]

@@NOHITJEROME Hah yeah, just bring a couple shadow priests

[@attackfinch8397]

As a melee hunter. We being slept on. True underdog of this phase!

[@NOHITJEROME]

i have yet to see a melee hunter so i didnt include them. feels like blizz just wants to merge that into a melee/ranged weave build, not a fan of melee weave/shooting so not a huge fan of that. how have you been performing in raids so far? i'd like to see a log if you have one

[@Renan-td8bn]

What about melee hunter ? :(

[@NOHITJEROME]

melee hunter dead. they will revive melee weave probably though, which is my least favorite of the options lol

[@robinkjellberg6796]

Balance Druids are in a wierd spot, very underwhelming in terms of single target DPS, yet every squad wants 1 or 2 for MOTW, CB res, decoursing, AOE etc. The Cenarion rainment is built around the Starfall ability which is too situational making the set basically useless. 300% dmg increase to Thorns!? Comon Blizzard…Seriously?

[@NOHITJEROME]

balance druids need hit..it's the best change to not break them in pvp but buff them in pve. really hate that they are forced to be decurse bots though lol

[@heizellyellow3587]

Buff Paladins Buff Paladins Buff Paladins Buff Paladins Buff Paladins Buff Paladins Buff Paladins

[@HurensohnGoogle]

bros scared to put balance at f tier or any class fo that matter LOL

[@NOHITJEROME]

everyone is viable enough i dont think there's an f tier but it'd probably be ele shaman but i have horde bias idk

[@HurensohnGoogle]

@NOHITJEROME ele boomie and priest rank f tier, even f is viable its just that they are so dogshit atm that st 100% parse other classes deal allmost triple the damage, that's what you call F tier

[@StevenWilson-nq6cz]

Pure DPS class should do more dmg...hunters rogues...mages can heal now so yeah..

[@NOHITJEROME]

pure dps classes should blast. i would agree on all except that mages are not really healers..i don't think any mages heal now. maybe like 3 of them (no disrespect..just everyone wants to blast fire)

[@qzl9]

Ele shamans 100%

[@NOHITJEROME]

ele shamans are at the bottom but if you buff them then they break pvp for the entire r14 grind coming up so blizz is stuck lol

[@mattmckern3644]

Warlocks

[@NOHITJEROME]

big fan, they kind of own right now. just have to get a 2nd one to truly parse

[@mattmckern3644]

@@NOHITJEROME facts. Difficult to find one let alone 2. Feels im only one of a few on ali lonewold

[@NOHITJEROME]

you are the only warlock i know othjer than the guy i raid with lol. he HATES being the only lock, has to do so much buffing..summoning..nobody appreciates any of it either

[@cevattopcu4097]

@@NOHITJEROME elements and mark of chaos doesnt stack does it? why do we need a 2nd lock to truly parse?

[@mattmckern3644]

@@NOHITJEROME FR😂😂😂

[@chrisfish5187]

how about bringing back melee hunters. and not this melee weave garbage.

[@NOHITJEROME]

hmm..im afraid they won't do it. the team they have right now likes the melee weaving and rewarding the extra effort

[@rikyb3242]

tier lists are totally useless. boss are melted so fast that even a full raid of C tier dps is more than enough lol. people should disregard today tier lists in this version of the game

[@brunoricardo1052]

Warrior wirhout buffs is a piece of shir that is awful when you are just doing dungeon, dps aoe of warrior is the worst, i am warrior, and my best spot there is always tanking, even 2 tanks is better than a warrior dps spot, thats a problem

[@constantinvalidol5472]

I really hate Paladin playerbase, they complain and moan until they're busted.

[@NOHITJEROME]

it does seem like horde just argue about dual wield vs 2h and meanwhile some allies are lobbying for nerfs to ensure they are ahead. but i think it's mostly because i follow the speedrunning scene. not really happening in the actual game itself

[@tonyz7690]

@@NOHITJEROMErets suffered through 2019 classic just to finally get here in SOD…aaaand exactly where they were then haha

[@juandeag5194]

Placing warrior Way too High. Completely shit aoe and also lacking in single target dps. Yes in a perfect scenario with full bis they are decent but this is not applicable for the average player

[@NOHITJEROME]

they need an aoe buff, cleave target cap increase +1 seems smart to me but not sure blizz will do it

[@juandeag5194]

@@NOHITJEROME also whirilwind only hits 4 targets. No Way to keep up with the other classes

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@juandeag5194 uncap that to like..8 at least imo. the pulls in speedruns are gonna be huge and imagine bwl/zg

[@juandeag5194]

@@NOHITJEROME Yeah exactly. Like who is ever gonna bring a dps warrior? As it is right now i totally understand why so many groups decline me...

[@voodoolab814]

you should stop trying to sound like a commercial or news cast and just speak normally. would make for better videos i think.

[@NOHITJEROME]

not hearing it, you mean the intro?

[@0htwo]

Cant stand how he talks

[@NOHITJEROME]

any specifics to improve on? is it the speed?

[@tonyz7690]

@@NOHITJEROMEnaw your videos are great. Maybe more gnome punting? Olympic event gnome punting

[@Abololo33]

SoD died so quickly 😂

[@NOHITJEROME]

is it really dead? or is endgame classic just too hard to reach for most people. idk if we can compare to the 1-25 p1

[@cevattopcu4097]

more alive than ever...its the most fun ive had so fun,theres real content now.

[@NOHITJEROME]

@@cevattopcu4097 ya this phase owns. Though it’s hard to say if it’s due to Sod or if the classic endgame is just fun lol

[@MercedbyCisco]

There’s a lot more people on now than last phase sw is packed on my server

[@Ludydobry]

What server are you playing. Living Flame EU is pretty alive, pug raids every day + world bosses, spam fest on weekend, loads of horde for PvP..