UPDATED THUNDER CAGE IS STILL THE GOAT | The First Descendant

[@theFullMeasure]

Thunder Cage is easily a Top 3 weapon in the game for me, what's your top 3 favorite weapons?

[@firdausnajhan2835]

this game weapon ultimate ability design are very bad. All weapon ability dont proc/stack with decendant special weapon ability are dumb af. Why bother using anything other then TC, greg or EL? Just be honest with yourself, none other weapons have too much advantage vs these 3 weapon. Why bother farming for new weapon, eg frostwatcher. It dont even proc in zenith, theres no incentive to farm it.

[@edferd100]

@@firdausnajhan2835 The game's not even 6 months old yet. Be patient, things always change (or the game dies).

[@jeffjohnson4668]

Enduring Legacy, Thunder Cage and Blue Beetle

[@SundayMatinee]

Thanks for this guide! I'm still working on maxing out my TC so this will be a great help!

[@theFullMeasure]

Glad it helped!

[@Sincanister]

I built mine crit damage heavy with weakpoint and it works great for me. My top 3 weapons would be Enduring Legacy Thunder Cage and Nazeistra's Devotion (For Debuff and use as stat stick)

[@salimrandall]

Enduring Legacy, Greg’s Reversed Fate, Thundercage.

[@theFullMeasure]

Nice!

Enduring legacy Thunder Cage Secret garden My most used trio

[@dman6363]

same here, in that order

[@Kevfactor]

What makes Greg’s good btw? The proc does seem to be pretty high dps

[@salimrandall]

@ The base damage is high and fire bombs clear mobs.

[@Nemy_Pred]

This vid really helped me push my T.cage past 400k damage. Thanks!

[@theFullMeasure]

Welcome!

[@Trooper10231]

Enduring Legacy, Kings Guard Lance, Naz's Devotion.

[@theFullMeasure]

Nice!

[@jaysosa8373]

I love it.Got my DPS to like 657,207 very nice.

[@dannydanny7512]

The lord version is to give up the mag, full crit, and 2 electric mod with the electric roll. Yes 26 bullets BUT with Bunny, you land a skill first, then shoot out ends up a melt down to small bosses.

[@moisessantos6843]

Enduring legacy, gregs , perforator ,frostwatcher and now working on thunder cage

[@EddyCantillo]

You should do the Blue Beetle. It's actually pretty damn good in terms of single target damage, the ability is not too substantial though except for debuff removal which can come in handy but still situational.

[@methodatx01]

I used to be TC everything (colossi included) mine is sitting on close to 700k dps, but after the FM got updated I moved over to that since one of the things a lot of channels didn't cover is, that if you are on the poison pool rotation of FM, and upon reload you get another element that element will "stack" (overlay really) on top of the poison pool dot damage. Keeping it more versatile when you come across mobs with varying resistances within the same area. But I see the route they are taking, each weapon class (not ammo type) will have a farm/mob friendly version of it. TC for SMG's, FM for handguns, Perforator for hand cannons...etc...etc... I also see some of those weapons with a little bit more specialization towards characters that don't have the greatest mobbing ability like ACG which works great for Hailey and Gley.

[@firdausnajhan2835]

Why bother tho? Mobbing weapon just mean nothing. You wanna do mobbing? Just use bunny, freyna or valby. Why need to farm a specific weapon other then TC when the other weapon doesn't bring much improvement to mobbing to begin with. And in intercept, everyone use EL.

[@methodatx01]

@@firdausnajhan2835 Because I have ALL the regs and Ults built. I have ALL legendary weapons and they are all built as well. So I have plenty of time to build or rebuild all the new or upgraded weapons. That is the only thing left for me to do. And TC is not as great as it used to be for mobbing weapon. It is now just the easiest one to make and build right away.

[@mischief2223]

@@methodatx01what weapons would you suggest I use for Yujin? I’ll be using his Covid skill augment

[@methodatx01]

@@mischief2223 Well if you are using PA for mobbing. Then I suggest FM or believe it or not, Albion Cavalry Gun. So, FM it always has AoE or chain link damage on hit, depending on what element it is on, if the enemy you hit with PA is a bit slower and gets lost in the crowd because you will come across that issue a lot you still should be able to hit him with the AoE causing the explosion to happen. Because you will always be looking for the weakest enemy to put that on. Every so often you will get a small handful of 3-4 enemies close enough together you can hit all at once with PA and then any gun would would be fine to start the explosion reaction. But you will find you will be hitting more single targets more often. ACG has chain linking U ricochet so you still have a high probability of hitting the enemy you set PA on if he gets lost in the crowd also. And the run speed bonus on ACG can be a nice quality of life thing to have when you are in a room of bunnies and Freynas speeding through. On FM I suggest no extra round magazine modules so that it can rotate through the elements faster, this way it can layer over the previous elements damage. And no blue element mods or elements on the gun. Also another thing I noticed no one has mentioned is that FM can trigger each elements' attribute status like Frostbite for chill or electrocution for electric. Hence another reason to have a lower clip and no blue element mods, purple element mods are okay since purple element mods are only multipliers for element damage, but only the damage of the element it's made for. And one last thing I noticed no one has covered is that FM can activate fire arm attack or element based bonuses on external components, like Polar which only require triggering of Frostbite to accumulate it's bonus or Venom Essence that requires poisoning of the enemy for it's bonus. But it cannot activate skill based bonuses like on Supernova set On ACG I suggest if you are adding Fire Rate make sure to add more rounds per mag. Other wise it will make the speed boost pretty much useless since it has to build up. It's build up time is short, but with Fire rate and no mag size multiplier you will find that you will only get a few seconds of boosted run speed when it hits it's ceiling. One last note about PA no one else has mentioned, adding range modules only increases the explosion range, the projectile range when it makes contact always remains the same, which is the biggest problem with PA right now you need to be fairly precise, not godly but fairly precise with it. But it is still good to add range mods to a PA build because it will increase the explosion & infection range of PA. Which you will find can kill faster than Bunny or Freyna when the enemies are close enough together, it is also crazy to watch it's like a high speed tsunami wave or a giant room of dominoes falling over killing everything on screen and enemies that have spawned but are out of rendering distance. And I'm not sure if anyone else has or has not covered this but with PA, lure the mobs to the boss/bosses and put PA on the mobs and explode them. You can pretty much always take out the bosses whole HP bar doing that. Very hard to do in group, but easy to do solo. And makes Yujin a very viable solo character in 400 dungeons. If you have any other questions you need answers to, there is a TFD group on FB that I post a lot in. I don't really look at YT all too often, mostly just patch notes, or what's going on in Ukraine or if I see something interesting that pops up my homepage every once in a while like Full Measure's video here. It is The First Descendant (run by a guy named TLAS King) that is where I post the majority of anything. I'm not a mod or admin, just a member who always has facebook open my phone or tablet so rather than jumping from site to site it's just easier and faster to post there.

[@jblocker118]

I use the conductor mod principle on my enduring legacy, I have built it with Fire atk, and attribute trigger effect rate together with crit damage and crit rate as its 4 perks and then with the fire conductor I basically always am shooting a burning enemy, and with enduring legacies unique abilities buffing fire damage and burn trigger rates naturally the conductor is always buffing it's damage, Im crafting a second enduring legacy just to see if it is any better like this or whether running the standard 4 perks firearm attack, crit rate crit damage and increased mag would be better

[@CuzzieGaming]

BUFF LUNA!!! # LET LUNA FIRE HER WEAPONS!!

[@CuzzieGaming]

Luna is basically useless you can't use her abilities unless you are carrying a toy gun that does no damage please For the Love of everything just scrap that awful gun mechanic for Luna😭😭

[@badouglas33]

I followed your setup for Best of Both, have it fully upgraded, exact same modules all maxed out and my DPS is only showing 494,007. Any suggestions as to why?

[@theFullMeasure]

Substats?

[@badouglas33]

​@@theFullMeasureSorry! I just saw that! Thank you!

[@theFullMeasure]

@@badouglas33 Welcome :D

[@LeoKoTe]

great tnx man

[@theFullMeasure]

Welcome!

[@J_TheGeneral]

i personally feel like the second magazine mod is unecessary when you can get 38 rounds with the blue one (41 with the slayer set)

[@ArtiolBregu]

How can we gett weapon material transmission can somebody help me 😅

[@darkmugetsu6572]

Really wanted that Ajax helmet so badly but that pre season was so unfair in the challenge demands I couldn't get it ...... :(

[@somedayasalion2562]

To all the Thundercage Timmy's out there respect ✌️ 😂

[@gtfoxy]

One thing you need to keep in mind is Crit Reduction of Bosses as well as the Unique Ability. In many 400 dungeons most bosses have a 50% Crit reduction on their person. You will regain your crit on their orbital balls. As for the unique ability in your two non crit vs final mid-crit is the explosion difference will be 60K vs 46K. On a high crit resistance boss your element buffs will possibly outscale crit since based on base ATK. This providing you use the proper element for the task. Food for thought.

[@Jax_Destro]

Why do you use fire rate up instead of fire rate concentration? I'm just wondering if there is something about the blue mod that makes it better.

[@theFullMeasure]

Slightly higher fire rate, about 5% more

[@Jax_Destro]

@theFullMeasure good to know. Thanks for explaining it.

[@williamkramer9731]

I get the TC is awesome, but I still prefer my Python….. it’s more challenging to use, but I like a challenge. The Python has improved my weak point sim to the Max regardless of enemy size.

[@imrbx5032]

Ever since I maxed out the Enduring Legacy and Greg I never used the Thunder Cage again

[@brandanberry]

Doesn't this gun thrive more in a mobbing situation? Can you provide build damage differences in mobbing so we can see how the damage changes to the guns unique ability? (the electric explosions)

[@theFullMeasure]

Faster kill speed translates into more AOE, therefor higher solo target damage gives you more pops.

[@Ivynoir404]

Thunder cage & piercing light 🫶 the middle child could be w/e 🤭

[@Radiant_Silverback]

I havent used Thundercage in a minute. It kind of felt ike runnning around with the Drake Sword in Dark Souls. A noob crutch. Maybe i'll dust it off.

[@ImYourHuckleberry82]

Enduring legacy, secret garden, thunder cage

[@theFullMeasure]

Nice list

[@Kevfactor]

My rolls are not the best but it’s nice to see the max base dps is just 10k off from what the blue/purple rolls that I have. I think the problem with a lot of other weapons is that they kill your movement speed and do the same dps

[@passionsv.2]

Idk, haven’t used thundercage since getting it in the very beginning

[@DanteSparda66VI]

I was about to post that, I jump from tamer in the beginning straight to legacy, never bothering to do another weapon, even for Freyna I didn't make garden cause legacy with sharp precision is usable.

[@nazarethrift1019]

lol that is one of the names o call it. Rattle Cage the other is thunder clap. Thunder cage just doesn’t role off the tongue for some reason.

[@ИванНайденов-п8ж]

Если уж разгонять по максимуму ёмкость магазина. То нужен мод на +39% и - по болевым точкам. Всё равно спрей во все стороны летит. Особенно, при расчленении мобов пачками😂

[@Alaa-2-1]

Enduring legacy?

[@jonnorth1147]

Thunder Cage is boring.

[@Hoont-Hoonter]

Why though?

[@CarySmith87]

​@Hoont-Hoonter Because everyone has been dick-riding this gun since launch and its not even the best mobbing weapon especially since we got updated Final Masterpiece which puts TC to absolute shame.

[@BobTubeTheEstimateGuy]

Weapon is amazing and has the power of a shot gun with one shot as a sub machine gun 😂u insane and played warframe that took 8 years to get good lol 😂 get outta here

[@rickiboulter3053]

I feel like sidearms are an absolute waste of time in this game. Fix them. P.s can anyone name one thing this game does that no other game does? There's nothing unique in this game. Everything is taken from other games. The weapons we have are extremely boring. What sets this game apart from others, really? Its very very basic

[@KalebandPups3DShop]

why bother with the best mobbing gun in the game i think you think the opposite as everyone else

[@theFullMeasure]

Wat?

[@KalebandPups3DShop]

@ it’s literally the first and almost only ultimate gun I see people using because it is or was the best mobbing gun in the game so for you not to use it til now show that you think different than 99% of the players like me had a hell of a time just doing the last few zones solo normal because I refuse to play as buntard

[@singsingmei]

pretty sure nexon is gonna ruin it with subsequent updates. it seems they’re hell bent on nerfing anything players actual enjoy using. eg they chose to completely disable switching loadouts during missions instead of actually fixing the exploit.

[@Your_Ai_Inspiration]

Hell bent on nerfing? What game you playin lol

[@CarySmith87]

What have they nerfed?