Upgrade Possibilities for the 72V RAWRR Mantis X

[@ghastly545]

So we’re just not gonna talk about the super 73 or close to it frame in the back 😂 is it a new project?

[@PatOutdoors]

Shhh 🤫 Too many things going on right now. I still gotta announce a 10K giveaway a week or so late lol

[@chadbringhurst3774]

getting mine soon, love watching everyones videos on it, keep it up! yours have been the most comprehensive so far

[@lentomlak]

Yeah, Pat's videos are the best. All the other guys do is ride out in the street and pop wheelies.

[@arrendonaldson2084]

Really enjoying the videos about this bike. Leaning towards getting it in the near future.

[@Darryl-bb3jk]

Please show more upgrades on Rawrr Mantis.

[@PatOutdoors]

@@Darryl-bb3jk as they become available, I will.

[@UpNorthProductions]

Is there a wire you can snip, similiar to a surron or talaria to make it go faster than 50 mph?

[@PatOutdoors]

@@UpNorthProductions no, I specifically took it apart to look for that and mentioned it in the video.

[@rockydotson31]

DAMN, This is why im nervous AF to update my Nucular.. Cant wait for that vid... Good luck my friend

[@KevinValladares-o9j]

Does that controller fit the original rawr mantis

[@jesushigareda4970]

I did the same thing rawrr fixed it in 5 min, just had to take it to them, good thing there down the street from my house 😅😅

[@PatOutdoors]

Yeah they just have to reinstall the software for the mantis x back to the controller. Too bad I’m across the country on the east coast 🙄

[@The4wakenedXchange]

I'm curious about a belt conversion for a stealthy street build

[@emikearizona]

Belts are louder on these bikes, the Talaria MX3 and MX4 including the Apollo have direct drive. I have a Talaria MX3 and it's incredibly quiet. The Talaria XXX has a belt and is very loud.

[@Tristannyshaw]

What type of controller was that, that you put on the screen?

[@rmnd2020]

You sir are very helpful 🎉

[@Zx7o.]

I was saving up 3K for a new bike specifically the Talaria x3 but I'm more interested in the mantis now 🤙🤙

[@minisurron]

It is nice I have one

[@Fazogng]

Talaria x3 has more range

[@Zx7o.]

Against my better judgment I decided to go with an E-ride Pro SS 2.0 🤣🤣🤣

[@InfiniteWorr]

Were you planning to use one of the rechargeable taillights or were you going to hardwire the brake light?

[@PatOutdoors]

@@InfiniteWorr I want to hardwire so it’s actually functioning with the brake levers

[@MrJroc04si]

There is a company is cali that is tuning the stock controller for $399 i believe. Supposedly it results in 10-12kw power output.

[@PatOutdoors]

With the stock 30AH battery on the X?! I can see how that’s possible on the larger Mantis

[@MrJroc04si]

@@PatOutdoors there are people in the mantis fb group who say they already have the tune. When i spoke to rawrr on the phone they mentioned the tune also but quickly mentioned the top speed will still be 50mph. The top speed limit is definitely software based.

[@PatOutdoors]

@@MrJroc04si Ah that's what I suspected. This is actually why I'm still looking at aftermarket controller options so we can touch at least 60 MPH eventually..

[@ConorBroderick-p2m]

@@PatOutdoors any progress on this?

[@switchfoothi]

Aloha Pat. Interested to know if the Mantis X rear 17" wheel would fit on an Pro SS or LBX? Thanks

[@erickimball6022]

Is there a wire to cut that restricts it?

[@PatOutdoors]

@@erickimball6022 no. All in the programming

[@Joenoblocks]

I would’ve tried unplugging it and plugging it back in first

[@PatOutdoors]

@@Joenoblocks … it’s a common issue. Wiped out the programming. Already fixed by the manufacturer, had to send it in to reinstall the original map

[@expozure_in_the_elements]

I understand the upgrade possibilities, but at the same time did you ever fix your bike to run again, or did you completely brick 🧱 the controller?

[@PatOutdoors]

@@expozure_in_the_elements The controller is not bricked, just needed to be reprogrammed by RAWRR to have the Mantis X parameters reloaded to it. Controllers on the way back to me from CA next few days.

[@teknique8292]

Great vid!

[@freddypreciado5006]

Is the app still available if it is what it called

[@chadbringhurst3774]

measuring n all yesssir

[@justgetbetter881]

What controller is compatible with the rawrr mantis x

[@HoonGoon]

Would love to hear an update on this. Just ordered one a few days ago😅🤞

[@PatOutdoors]

More updates coming soon! Rawrr’s tech support team has been very helpful and they already have my controller on the way back to me. I’ll put it back on and give yall an update

[@jreviews5924]

Any update on the app issue controller issue? I downloaded the app and wanted to adjust the parameters without updating the firmware. Yay or nay?

[@PatOutdoors]

@@jreviews5924 DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE APP if you have a Mantis X. It’s simply not compatible at this time. RAWRR fixed my Controller and it’s on the way back to me this week.

[@jreviews5924]

@@PatOutdoorsthank you! You saved me a lot of hassle my friend! Bike is fun how it is stock tho. I have a stock xxx with shinko 241 tires on it and they’re pretty close to dead even in acceleration surprisingly.

[@shawnanderchuk8452]

Do you suspect that there will be enough aftermarket options for this bike? I’d like to get a couple for the family but only if I knew I could upgrade to 12-15kw output in the future without hacking the frame up

[@Psnacount]

Any way for a pedal kit?

[@emachinez]

look at himiway c5 if want sum with pedals. already street legal too we do free us shipping on them as well!

[@ReVolt_e-Vlogs]

Check out the Raev GTX, it's my daily commuter, but am getting the Mantis to ride here in the desert & mountain trails

[@KevinValladares-o9j]

What controller fits on the original rawr mantis

[@DescartesRenegade]

If controller is 90A, 20s6p config will get you 72v 30Ah 90A specs using typical Samsung 21700 50 cells as each cell is rated 5000mah and 15A discharge. 5000mah x 6 = 30000mah, and 15A x 6 = 90A. This would mean mantis is squeezing the cells to max rated spec already and battery is limited. You can get a custom modified pack by using molicel p50b cells. Will turn it into a 72v 30Ah 290A. I push 150A to my QS 120v3 and it takes it without heat issues. I'm squeezing 11.2kw cont/20kw peak out of it.

[@ScoobyDo0.]

Would it get a faster top speed with a smaller sprocket? Or does the controller limit that no matter what ?

[@PatOutdoors]

@@ScoobyDo0. yes, it can go faster with a smaller sprocket (but with a trade off of less low-end torque.)

[@HIPHOPMENTOR]

No upgrades yet , but they working on it! It did say dont do the app tho 👍

[@PatOutdoors]

I know.. it was my fault 🤦🏾‍♂️ But good way to test and find out how good their customer service is!

[@tuguldurbatkhuleg7736]

So can i change the eco, sport, race things now

[@tuguldurbatkhuleg7736]

Now does the app done?

[@aphter6058]

You should add a kill switch to the head light

[@PatOutdoors]

Good idea! Anything to help the current battery life would be good..

[@lentomlak]

The light can be unplugged and taken off. That's what I did since I won't be riding at night for now. The spare front number plate replaces the light or you can just leave it on. An off selection on the switch would be nice though.

[@PatOutdoors]

@@lentomlak true, but I like riding at night often so I may just do a switch

[@1retrov1]

Is there a way to unlock the speed? Like a wire to cut?

[@PatOutdoors]

There’s not

[@minisurron]

And tell me what tail light you get I have the same thing

[@ashtondube8865]

Whate are the dimensions of the battery if u know?

[@PatOutdoors]

@@ashtondube8865 it’s in the video

[@orlandovalentin6325]

Do it - Star Wars

[@garydellegatte4593]

Has anyone tried a xxx sprocket yet rear

[@liamweekend7100]

My bike won’t connect to Bluetooth and it’s a stock 72v

[@mauricebriggs794]

Do they have a 72v40ah for the mantis x

[@PatOutdoors]

I haven’t seen any available yet, just the 72V 35AH RAWRR offers

[@SuperMartialArtBros]

What controllers would u reccomend for it

[@PatOutdoors]

I am hoping Nucular would make a P24F controller to bolt onto it. I love the one on my Talaria

[@SuperMartialArtBros]

@@PatOutdoors I might try to 3d print a part for that

[@PatOutdoors]

@@SuperMartialArtBros that’ll do it! Plus a harness adapter..

[@SuperMartialArtBros]

@@PatOutdoors Yea

[@Nobodyatall00]

It fried the controller they're warnings all over the internet pat. Rawrr says they're working on it but do not hook to the app with the mantis x

[@PatOutdoors]

@@Nobodyatall00 it didn’t fry the controller. It inputted the parameters for the larger Mantis. Per Cley at RAWRR, just needs to be reprogrammed. It’s already on the way there and should be shipped back to me next week

[@Nobodyatall00]

@@PatOutdoors They were warning it could fry the controller

[@PatOutdoors]

Yeah I’m not too happy about what I did, but now I know 😞

[@Nobodyatall00]

@PatOutdoors Trial and error brother its how we learn

[@elyanez2755]

How to unlock for more power ??

[@PatOutdoors]

Reprogram the computer. No details on that out yet at this time though

[@lentomlak]

Pat - Have you figured out where those rubber blocks go ? I just got my Mantis X last week and pulled the battery out to wash it out and noticed the 2 rubber blocks laying in the bottom of the battery compartment. It looks to me like maybe the battery sits on these blocks on top of the 2 rails on the bottom. Not completely sure though. Let us know if you figure it out. Also want to add that this is my first e moto bike and I absolutely love it. I can ride this around my home without anyone knowing I'm there, something I cannot do with my RM 250.

[@PatOutdoors]

@@lentomlak well I saw your comment so I pulled the battery out to figure out for myself, but it appears I only had one 😂. I may have lost the other when this bike was getting shook at the rough trails I went through last weekend. Is it just the foam block? I’ll ask RAWRR to see if they can send me a pic of how it’s supposed to be oriented

[@AirynWayves]

@@PatOutdoorsthe rubber pad is for under the seat. it sits in the square under there. it rides over top of the battery handle. Mine was loose as well i super glued it on and now it’s fine.

[@PatOutdoors]

@@AirynWayves Thanks for the input! Do you happen to know where the second one goes that @lentomlak is asking about?

[@AirynWayves]

@@PatOutdoors my bike only had 1 as well. He may have just had an extra one in there. The adhesive on that part was pretty weak - it was hanging off every time i pulled the seat off. Super glue worked perfectly tho.

[@lentomlak]

@@AirynWayves Thanks for the info. I found 2 and at least one of them was in the very bottom of the battery box. One other thing I noticed is the bottom corner of the battery must have been rubbing against one of the orange wires at the bottom and rubbed part of it away. I reinforced it with some duct tape. So watch out for that you guys.

[@Short_Clipzv1]

Is this better than the talaria x3 or mx3. I know it’s faster but can it handle the same treatment as the talarias and Surron. I’m planning on buying a emoto soon, but fire video man

[@PatOutdoors]

What do you mean by “same treatment” exactly? I have both bikes and this handles off road much better than my Talaria XXX, but the xxx has more aftermarket support (hence why I already have an upgraded battery and controller on that bike.) I also had a Surron light bee X recently and just like how this bike performs better in stock form. This bike has its shortcomings such as the battery life everyone seems to be mentioning, but it’s only $3000 and goes 50 mph in stock form.. The talarias have better range, but is that the most important thing for you?

[@Short_Clipzv1]

@@PatOutdoors By same treatment I meant the Surron and talaria have had much more abuse since the have been out longer and we know they can take a beating, but since the rawr has been out for a couple of months it hasn’t had the same abuse that the Ron and talaria have. Even though it’s faster stock there could be a lot of problems that we don’t know yet and the price might be cheap for a reason yk.

[@PatOutdoors]

@@Short_Clipzv1 Very true, which is why it’s important for all of us who own it to share as much info as we can as problems come up

[@MotoAlias]

​@@Short_Clipzv1 the talaria sting has a gearbox far superior to the other bikes that all use jackshafts

[@minisurron]

What is the app called

[@MrUggrepair]

It’s on the website

[@Jr-gx6nv]

damn pat you can't have anything nice lol but its good to see what you did and showed others on what not to do wit there bike when they get it ....... i mean a fardriver would look really nice in that spot of the old controller just saying haha

[@PatOutdoors]

Hmm I thought about it but size wise seems like the ND72300 is the largest I can fit there, which wouldn’t be a huge enough of an upgrade

[@jreviews5924]

Pat any update on the app compatibility yet? I’ve asked rawrr 3x no reply.

[@PatOutdoors]

I don’t think so. I’m not gonna attempt again till they say otherwise though..

[@HIPHOPMENTOR]

oh no ! I over read that app only works with the reg Mantis 72v and will Mess up your controller ... idk but sumthn like that.... Reads at Bottom of there website

[@zaza_grows_only6689]

Really hope they fix that bluetooth dongle would be a waist of 160$ when it says works with all 72v bikes

[@PatOutdoors]

They actually have a disclaimer that states the app is not compatible with the mantis x and mini just yet

[@zaza_grows_only6689]

@@PatOutdoors yes i seen that just hope it eventually is compatible so i didn’t waist the money and i would like that app feature .

[@PatOutdoors]

@@zaza_grows_only6689 me too!

[@rexhardman2519]

@@zaza_grows_only6689 i got this issue and according to them its coming with app support by the end of agust

[@rexhardman2519]

This is what i was sayingggg, this happened to me aswell they had to send an agent to replace my bike

[@PatOutdoors]

But they specifically said not to do this on their site 🤷🏾‍♂️ I just didn’t read it

[@rexhardman2519]

@@PatOutdoors i knowwww i was actually the first one it happened to and after having to replace my bike they put in the warning on the site

[@Battshimself]

Its on the website to not connect to the app..

[@PatOutdoors]

@@Battshimself Yes, now it is. I had the bike for two weeks already at the time of this video so I didn’t really have a reason to look at the site. Wish they sent out an email to all the Mantis X owners also, since I wouldn’t just randomly go back on the site every few weeks to check if there’s an alert.

[@Battshimself]

@PatOutdoors ya I'm sorry to hear that. I would have expected the same thing. I hope they make it right for you. Keep up posted. This could make or break a new company like this.

[@PatOutdoors]

@@Battshimself Actually RAWRR has been very helpful and responsive when I reached out. My controller is already in California, hopefully they can have it reprogrammed and back to me by next week. What I did was accidentally installing the tune for the bigger Mantis when I “updated the controller” and none of the parameters are the same. But they can manually change it back if they had the bike or controller in hand, otherwise have to wait for all updates to follow.

[@khoavo505]

I believe it’s a Samsung battery

[@Yasir2184]

Yup it is

[@omarreynold6782]

Same dimensions as surron?

[@Yasir2184]

@@omarreynold6782idk

[@khoavo505]

@@omarreynold6782 not sure

[@StuckOnAFireHydrant]

Oo im glad i held off on getting a talaria xxx. This bike looks better and has a better suspension from what I've seen. I might try and sell my 72v razor and get a good chunk of change towards this so my wallet doesn't cry as much lmfao 🤣

[@cameronramirez7817]

Range is booty

[@potatopilot16]

@@cameronramirez7817 range aint bad. their range measurements on the screen are really REALLY off. watch utubers who use a GPS to compare.

[@Yasir2184]

Everything is good abt it, the range is 30 miles and it doesn't have any aftermarket parts yet but Rawrr is working with many companies so aftermarket parts can be pushed out.

[@HannibalSahura]

Pat u messed it up ALREADY bro lol

[@PatOutdoors]

lol it’s not permanent, it’ll be fixed by next week

[@HannibalSahura]

@PatOutdoors mines should be here by then bro

[@aaron_p2]

Clean your bike bro😭

[@PatOutdoors]

😂 It’s a dirt bike. But yeah I do need to clean it once I get the controller back