Urban Is Not CQB

[@DavidRJones82]

And if you're operating alone you'll probably die due to urban combat being the most complex set of tactical problems ever faced and people can hide anywhere.

[@DavidRJones82]

@CLOV4R713 Years of academy training, wasted!

[@DutchK75]

🙄

[@DavidRJones82]

@Freddy Ruger well, your odds of survival in a group in combat tends to be higher than going it alone and would tend to bet on number of supporting individuals than optics on my rifle.

[@tracytillett]

Get your group together now and it's not a fantasy.. I got mine and we train together every weekend

[@CaptainPantys]

@@DavidRJones82 LOL!

[@SituationalCitizen]

When I was in Ramadi, we had all types of engagements to include: clearing houses, patrolling urban and sub-urban streets, and rural farm lands. Most, and by most I mean the grand majority of all firefights happened within 75 yards. Even in the rural areas. And we were using iron sights. I didn’t get an ACOG until halfway through my deployment. Most people saying that they need magnification probably cannot even calculate the bullet drop of a 5.56 round at 600 yards in the first place. I’ll trust my ability to be able to properly move through urban environments and close-with on a person than their ability to try and take a long shot at me. Situational awareness and movement is more important than optics.

[@rt66rc86]

How would you rate a properly setup shotgun in/for that same environment?

[@SituationalCitizen]

@@rt66rc86 shotguns do not have the penetration of a rifle cartridge. In a real firefight, you are shooting through doors, walls, windows, whatever you can. Shotguns are only really good for exposed targets. Even slugs I would pass on. In a gunfight I want more ammo, which a shotgun does not have. Most people don’t even really aim in a gunfight, so they fire a lot of rounds. And also, people do not go down with one round. The guy who thinks they are just going to drop targets with one well placed shot all the time is way misguided. I have seen a full grown man take over a dozen 5.56 rounds from under 20 feet away before dropping. Unless you’re hitting “T” box every time, on a moving target that is shooting back at you…more ammo and volume of fire.

[@rt66rc86]

@@SituationalCitizen Thank you my friend, I appreciate your experience and service.

[@SituationalCitizen]

@@rt66rc86 no worries dude.

[@Kross8761]

If I'm anticipating a "gunfight" happening past 300-400 yards I'm going with a full power rifle cartridge, not an intermediate cartridge. Granted if I'm anticipating a fight that far in advance then I'm just going to do whatever I can to avoid it to begin with, but like he said, the fight picks you so if I *have* to engage at extended distance with 5.56 I can because the vast majority of lpvo's come standard with a BDC reticle or at least have it as an option. Training is king no matter what, if you have an LPVO then you need to know your holds by heart with your ammo, and either get really good at estimating range or carry a rangefinder (I carry a rangefinder because I live in the sticks and it's not uncommon at all for me to have 1000m+ sightlines) I have 3 rifles for different "scenarios" I have a 13.7 with an LPVO and canted red dot for 0-300 yards, I have an 18" AR10 with a 4.5-27 for anything between 200-800, and for reaching past 800 I have a 300PRC with a 5-35 and a rangefinder mounted directly to the gun. I have my dope cards attached to the rifle calibrated for my ammo and I only use that ammo to keep it consistent. The biggest difference between ramadi and anywhere in America is the level of equipment and training, they didn't have readily available access to high quality optics like Americans do, and 99.9% relied on irons and spraying which needs to be relatively close to be effective. Even If they had the ability to attempt to fight beyond 75 yards that put them at a further disadvantage because of the tech and training superiority that we had. I want it to be clear that I'm not discounting your experience or service, but the reason your engagements happened at relatively close range is because that was to your enemy's advantage, if they felt confident picking fights at longer ranges they certainly would have, just look at Afghanistan for proof, they would often shoot from so far away they were straining the capability of their (and our) weapons because they had the ability to choose their fights.

[@SilverStarHeggisist]

People forget the biggest reason for magnification, Identification. Sure, you can take a shot at a few hundred yards with irons or a red dot. But do you actually know what you're shooting at? with your naked eye at 500 yards, can you positively identify that the target is your friend, your enemy, a neutral person, a decoy. magnification can help you detect a trap before you bumble into a trap.

[@gordonjohnson405]

Identification is MET-T dependent. At 300 yd a person's silouette is a little narrower than an M16's iron front sight post. At 500 yards it is about half of an M14's front sight post... But the M14 has a really sharp front sight post and its corners are good for measuring. Outside of an Iraq situation you look at the uniform. On the uniform the easiest distance indicator was usually the shape of the helmet or other headgear. In an Iraq situation, who cares? In tikrit in 2003 guys would spray-and-pray from the bridge over the Tigris down into Camp Ironhorse every single day. Their buddies would take pot-shots at the gates every single time a convoy entered or exited. Those guys were mostly not capable of marksmanship beyond about 50-75M. At that time, you ignored those guys, and only worried about the ones who did it right.

[@SilverStarHeggisist]

@@gordonjohnson405 to be fair my statement wasn't really talored for a military in a war environment. More a civilian who encoutneres someone at a few hundred yards. Like, is that my dad? Or is that the guy who tried raiding me last night or is that some new person that might be a possible friend. Since I don't view shooting everything that moves as a viable solution, identifying and figuring out what I'm looking at is doing is paramount

[@aahhronismyname8068]

I always have a pair of binos.

[@SilverStarHeggisist]

@@aahhronismyname8068 I also have a set of binos, but it's also faster to lift up the gun that's in my hands already to take a quick look then pull out my binos, open them and focus them (because I've yet to find one that stay focused)

[@kaykil2588]

@@gordonjohnson405 that's great. Now think abt civilians with no military training or experience who suddenly have to defend their home.

[@masonmcelroy8125]

One of the best reasons for magnification is target identification. Just because you can "see" a target and shoot it at 300 yards with a red dot doesn't mean you SHOULD. Can you even ID the person at that distance? Can you tell if they are armed etc?

[@SilverStarHeggisist]

@stephen jerome I've a set of micro 10X binoculars that unfold from the size of a range finder

[@justinrichardson4456]

@@SilverStarHeggisist where did you pick those up at? If you don't mind?

[@SilverStarHeggisist]

@@justinrichardson4456 if i recall, eBay. They were pretty cheap so I was rather impressed by their clarity. I'm wanting to say I spent about $20 on it.

[@whereswaldo5740]

I like magnification in relatively short distances because people don’t just stand there out in the open. So you may be having to find them which is a part of them knee foot elbow head. And hit it.

[@SilverStarHeggisist]

@@whereswaldo5740 and see what they're doing. There's a big difference in threat from someone on the other side of their car changing a flat tire or getting a weapon ready to attack you. No sense in shooting at the one that isn't a threat and make needless enemies.

[@Arkancide]

My experience in Iraq tells me it will always be hard to see an enemy or even where they are. And the sounds of shots being fired echo wildly all over the place due to so many walls and buildings. Is it on your street or two streets over? Two houses down or a whole block? Don't expect to be able to know where bad guys, even actively noisy and obvious bad guys, are. You WANT magnified optics, believe me. It can be the most chaotic and insanely hard to comprehend shit ever. Doesn't matter if you are the most accurate and fast shooter in the world, if you don't know where the fuck those bullets coming down on you are coming from you can't do shit. You're going to panic, hunker down somewhere, and maybe start blasting places you can see that they MIGHT be. It's going to suck, luck plays a big role, and you'll likely get lost in the shuffle. If you've got shooting, kit, and supplies down pat, work on orienteering and navigation. And STRONGLY consider finding a community to prepare with. Heavily armed loners who make it out of urban areas to the country are likely to get shot on sight.

[@alyssavaclavik6907]

Good comment, thank you. I have not served, but I have been going through all kinds of videos and talks about combat experiences and the like to attempt to prepare. The world seems like it keeps getting crazier and I just do not want to get caught with my pants down, I don't want anything to happen to my family if I can help it. Testimonies like your's really do help a man prepare and find the right mindset. Thank you sir, it is truly appreciated.

[@freddyw4555]

Don’t leave your house. It’s your castle. Roaming with a rifle doesn’t sound healthy

[@HAYAOLEONE]

Use 'big' / visible religious symbols of your religion sometimes. Be honest and humble. It can save your life.

[@oncemoreintothefray2766]

No doubt. Looking for flash signatures trying not to catch a lucky unlucky rd to the face.

[@joshpointoh]

Yup...i have come to realize you would really need a minimum of 15 people in your group just to defend 1 house.

[@sectorseven07]

In urban combat in Kandahar and Helmand, we were caught in close ambushes 100 and in multiple times. We were also engaged more than 1 km out multiple times. It was nice being prepared for both. Having the capability to magnify while also having the capability to kick in doors with your rig is really the bread and butter of suburban and urban combat. However, there are use cases for red dot only setups. I would just typically recommend the person running that setup also have members within their group who have the capability to target identify at distance a the least. If you're alone in an urban environment, good luck.

[@BrassFacts]

red dot only makes a lot of sense for large elements. But 99% of us will be in teams of 5 or smaller, with a large % of that being 3 or smaller. I'm a big advocate of having everyone at a similar capability level

[@crumdog_millionaire_]

I’ve trained with guys who only use the big targets and then I had an instructor who used 1”x1” squares for targets. He said “aim small, miss small”. Granted, this was for handgun at close ranges but his point was that under stress your groups are going to open up to more than twice your calm groups. So if you can consistently hit with 1 in sq precision while calm, you should be able to make 4 in sq targets under duress.

[@dirtybauer7022]

Aim small miss small, sounds like a line from the patriot.

[@TerminalM193]

@@dirtybauer7022 lmao, that's because it's ripped straight from the movie.... But for the memes sake, it's totally true but really what it boils down to is proper practice.

[@rileyf8036]

@@TerminalM193 it’s not from a movie, it’s been a saying for at least 100 years

[@dirtybauer7022]

@@rileyf8036 it's definitely from the mel Gibson film the patriot bud.

[@dirtybauer7022]

@@TerminalM193 I think what it meant in the movie was to just take a quick shot at a large target to get a down. Like aim for the torso and you'll get your hit but aim for the head and you have a greater chance to miss. Considering these barrels weren't rifled for precision shooting. Badass movie though, one of my favorites.

[@revolution6133]

It’s hard to explain how much better your videos are than EVERYONE ELSE! You explain and show all at the same time. I’ve never seen a video that literally maps out ranges in a suburb/city environment for the viewer to understand and relate to! Seriously an underrated channel and you as a teacher. Above and beyond what anyone else is doing!!!! Fcking AWESOME!!!

[@sixfivearms8896]

I like that that Brass Facts explains WHY he advocates certain gear for certain situations. One can disagree, but at least we can have an intelligent discussion.

[@samb8369]

Goated youtuber as the kids say

[@ginger_gains]

I'm glad people are starting to realize the importance of magnification. I've always wondered why so many people in urban areas dismiss this. City blocks are large. Parking garages are large. X number of stories above street level can be quite far. Hallways can be long. Stairways. Cover and concealment. The types of possible engagements go on ad astra. A 10.5 with a dot might be fun, but I don't think it's as practical for urban survival as many people believe.

[@capt.raptor4650]

@@Valorius I think something that might be notable is location. I doubt that warfare in Iraq looks the exact same as warfare in urban America. I wonder what the combat data in Ukraine shows? it may be wildly different; perhaps that's worth investigating.

[@ginger_gains]

@@Valorius You forgot to say "um actually." In all seriousness you make a good point. However, the video pretty clearly shows the advantage of having magnification at close distances. I know magnifiers can easily be paired with dots, but a lot of guys I know don't. I only speak for my experience. I'm not an arbiter. I just think having magnification is a good idea.

[@snek9353]

@@Valorius Uhm well actually that is speaking about night operations.

[@TerminalM193]

This is why I decided to go with a 16" with 1-6x LPVO. Fucking HATED at first due to the God awful eye box that practically all LPVOs give. Plus it didn't help that a majority of previous training has been with either 1moa dots or eotech's.... But once I got used to it idk how ill ever go back. Majority of training is strictly through that platform and pistol now.

[@tbjtbj4786]

@Lou Franco for reliblty or effect?

[@Hoplopfheil]

You don't need magnification in the big green nightmare

[@BrassFacts]

but we're moving in together. Get use to your new reality

[@DowntownDeuce2]

I tried looking up the "Big Green nightmare." Is that referring to night vision, or military takeover?

[@DowntownDeuce2]

Please explain green nightmare

[@cultleader6977]

Whats that ???

[@gameclips2009]

@@DowntownDeuce2if i had to guess i'd say hes referring to the state of oregon

[@Fredfredbug4]

Ironically it's densely forested hills where you're going to wind up in sub 50 yard engagements. Foliage and terrain can really absorb sound, and so its entirely impossible to round or crest a hill and find yourself staring at someone in throwing distance that you didn't know was there. Plus even on flat ground, all the trees become a solid wall after a certain distance, depending on the forest.

[@louispaull6657]

I recently shot a 2-gun match that went out to 200m. Using my viper pst on 6x I could easily pick up targets at 200 even after the paint had been shot off the targets from everyone running the same course. Other guys using eotechs or t2’s with no magnification had trouble even finding the steel when it wasn’t painted. Seeing how they couldn’t locate the target and make accurate shots, I can imagine PID at that distance would be nearly impossible in most conditions.

[@JackManiacky]

I've had that situation with unpainted targets especially in the shade. I can see it with only my eye and I know where it's generally at, but no matter how clear the red dot glass supposedly is when I look through the dot I can't see the plate. My example was also at 200 yds. That's also why I never paint my targets.

[@CHANCNAVY88]

glad i have the g45!

[@ray32245mv]

@@Valorius having a magnified optic is even better tho.

[@ray32245mv]

@@Valorius i love the idea of a parallax free sighting system, but they have a lot of drawbacks, at least for me. my cousin brought a scorpion with an eotech to shoot the other day. nice little cqb rig imo. but that eotech reticle was a damn fuzzball lol. pretty washed out looking into the treeline from an open field in the bald sun too. my etched glass prism is sharp af and lets a lot more light through. think im gonna put a little red dot on top of it tho. they are quick.

[@05EVORS]

Im running newer green exps w the new for '22 Vortex micro 6X on unity 2.5" tall riser/flipdown. The Eotech DOT under magnification does not grow in size and it is nuke/daylight bright and its only .5moa(1moa stated bc human eye cant see any smaller than 1). The donut DOES grow while it also loses its inherent holographic 'fuzz' while the dot stays brighter than the donut. Looks tits under mag. The dot doesnt obscure anymore at 6x at .5moa than at 1x. Thats the Eotechs advantage.

[@sheanthesheep3680]

The fact that we have these options is awesome. I remember seeing an old video (like VHS old) of an SAS guy talking about how much they loved the light bearing handgaurds on their mp5's because they could use the torchbeam as a cqb aiming device. How far we've come man. Great content as always my dude.

[@ericmckinley7985]

Andy McNab?

[@sheanthesheep3680]

@@ericmckinley7985 maybe, just remember a brittish dude in a balaclava

[@ericmckinley7985]

@@sheanthesheep3680 that was likely McNab. He still wore a balaclava in all his appearances. For all I know it was a nomme de guerre. Search the name and you will probably find it even on yt

[@TheFirstVonGunther]

I ran an ACOG in Iraq and enjoyed it. Mostly because I sat on roofs and it helped scan windows, and peoples hands and mannerisms. Now as a civilian I've got an ACOG again but I've got an offset RMR too. Really enjoying the setup. Been putting in the practice and I've been very pleased with it all.

[@E.P.7131]

How much was your civilian ACOG?

[@bowentackett001]

@@E.P.7131 I bought mine for roughly 1200.

[@E.P.7131]

@@bowentackett001 Thanks. Thats more than any rifle I have, but I'm giving this setup with the RMR some thought.

[@heatheruntz5315]

Same here ran an acog on deployment and have one on my go to rifle and eventually will have one on my 308 rifle. It does the bullet drop to 600 and is really rugged.

[@SoldMyHat]

Huge reason why I like acogs even in suburban settings. Light. Clear. Effective. And offset irons are easy for close stuff or offset or top mounted red dot. I tried to like the pst 1-6, but weight is bigger factor than most are willing to admit. Especially with other support gear on the rifle. Lights, slings, loaded mag, ir laser, etc.

[@fun2916]

Similar to what others have commented on here, I also had urban engagements within 75 yards in Iraq/Afghanistan. I had an Aimpoint 90% of the time, which is basically just a 1x 2-3 MOA red dot. The asymmetric warfare group (AWG) released a study that showed 78% of dismounted urban small arms engagements during GWOT were between 25 - 75 yards. They hypothesized that this was due to poor training, low quality ammunition/firearms, and lack of optics by our enemies. Not saying any of this disputes what your say here. Just food for thought. I believe the situation might be very different CONUS vs OCONUS.

[@morgan3688]

So you meant to tell me, some goofball with a ak47 underfolder (collapsed) in full auto with com-block (or worse local) surplus ammo who has shot twice, straight in the air once on his birthday and once at his wedding, using open sights, is not going to be particularly accurate? And that because of this they are not a particularly usefull comparison? Im shocked

[@ThePartisan13]

Yeah I was about to say I read the title of this video and automatically assumed this guy was an absolute dumbass. I'm sorry but I can't not imagine most engagements being in relatively close quarters distances. At least in an average run of the mil American urban environment. Idk about other countries, but here, definitely cqb.

[@Lifechanging99999]

I don’t know where you fought in Afghanistan, but the Taliban I fought were well trained. They engaged us within 300 yards and no where near 75 yards. They shot extremely well and if they had AR platforms would have hurt a few more of us.

[@fun2916]

@@Lifechanging99999 what you’re saying makes sense in a regular infantry unit or some other unit. I was not in a regular infantry unit since 2001.

[@rico13b]

I would imagine that the average engagement distance figure is brought down significantly by all the door kicking indoor room-to-room stuff. If those engagements are excluded from the data I'd wager that the average would go up quite a bit and provide a much better approximation of what might be expected in a SHTF scenario since there probably won't be much door kicking happening.

[@FirePrank6]

So much to unpack here, but I totally agree. This lesson hit the hardest trying to hit a 3-4" plate at about 125 yards with irons, painfully difficult not because of the accuracy requirements but because I could barely see the greyish plate against the gravel backstop through my sights. I want magnification not necessarily for long range, I want it for targets that are small and easily obscured by your sight or for targets with little contrast between them and their background. Long Range just makes those problems more noticeable. Most rifles are easily capable of the accuracy required, we aren't so infallible though.

[@gregm4768]

This is a phenomenal video. I've been doing this for 18 years and I keep explain this to other officers and students... YOU NEED MAGNIFICATION.

[@doubleawrong4425]

Great food for thought. I’ve been bringing my rangefinder out with me lots lately while out in the town. Always interesting to gauge what’s, how far and think through scenarios.

[@oliverallen5324]

Excellent commentary. After watching the original Red Dawn and the nature of engagements in a shtf scenario, I reevaluated what tools I wanted to invest in. This video essay is in that same vein. Thank you. Subscribed.

[@happyjohn354]

Also the assumption that just because someone is shooting at you you HAVE to engage. If someone is shooting at me from beyond 100 meters I'm not gonna fight right then and there I'm going to disengage and either retreat or if an opportunity presents itself maneuver.

[@christiancook3118]

I like the entire premise behind this video. You touched alot of point that i frequently think about but are rarely talked about. The more time passes, the more diverse and challenging your enemies will become.

[@tomreid5002]

Put a flip up scope cover on your weapon light, Reflection will get you killed also. Love your vids

[@PHIllip324]

That's actually a great point I've never thought of! It's like scope glint but with your light (which is probably offset, exposing you in a similar manner to how you'd be exposed when attempting to shoot around/behind cover).

[@ginger2770]

Another option is a killflash. A poor man's killflash is a piece of window screen secured over the lens of your optic. Focus past it and you'll be g2g. For red dot systems you can run a few strips of tape over the lens of your optic, leaving your dot itself uncovered. if you use it properly with both eyes open, it will still work fine.😊

[@tomreid5002]

@@ginger2770 I really like your window screen idea. I will try it. Thanks!

[@nef36]

@@tomreid5002 My first thought was to use a piece of paper or a piece of a shirt.

[@Kichizo_DJ]

I used to think this until I started using veritable magnification/lpvo. It’s so much easier especially if you don’t have the best of far sight to see targets. And the smaller targets are so true… most red dots the dot will cover quite a bit of a 10x10 box around 100yrds which isn’t very far

[@TisiphonesShadow]

This is an excellent video. Most people forget the VERTICAL threat -response to it has to be trained into most people. Most US urban areas have high buildings and that vertical distance also matters. You can be 50 yards away from the building, but the threat may be another 75 yards up (real distance about 90 yards). Lots of cities are grid-based, meaning you have long, clear streets as fire lanes. Seriously, study the British WWII tactic of "block-busting". Most suburban areas more akin to operating in hilly terrain, and urban areas are like mountainous terrain.

[@marcosda4th92]

Love the RimWorld music. Fits perfectly

[@kingqp]

I think people are too fixated on the idea that 99% of engagements will be in small structures against people who will be standing in the corner of the room, barely paying attention and taking 10 seconds to notice them and fire a shot. That's just not the case.

[@BrassFacts]

I think a lot of people see other high profile individuals loadouts, and copy it. Not recalling that their use case isn't the same as a civilians use case

[@kingqp]

@@BrassFacts absolutely. The high speed doorkickin short barrel edge lord persona is hot right now.

[@TheDoorspook11c]

It's started years ago with cops wanting military stuff. It's the championship effect. Whatever thee champ wears, so do their fans...

[@sahzookey]

I have a lot of experience in kicking in doors... in Call of Duty there's a lot of people waiting in the darkest corners of a room.

[@kingqp]

@@sahzookey 😂😂😂 you ain't lying

[@herknorth8691]

I stopped shooting Limited division in 3 Gun, even at the local club that only has bay stages, max range 100 yards. Why? Because that club makes up for its lack of distance with smaller targets. Hitting a small target (i.e.: head sized) with just a red dot is a lot harder than with magnification. A flip magnifier gives you the ability to keep your red dot but get magnification when you need it. It's not a perfect solution, but what is? I also never understood the idea that you can't see a long ways inside of a city. Have you ever been to a city? They have these long, straight, unimpeded stretches of open space called "roads". They have lots of them, actually. Catty corner from my house is a park that's about 1/3 mile long. After that is a major road. Across that road is a lake. That lake is 1 mile long by about 5/8 mile wide, farther than I'd be confident in hitting anything. People also need to understand that in a WROL/SHTF urban scenario, you're not going to be seen or treated as a good guy if you're doing suppressive fire on the shitbag in your neighborhood. Launching dozens of rounds into your neighbors' houses and other property (to say nothing of the neighbors themselves) is going to make you more of a liability in their eyes than an asset, even if you do take out the bad guy. Think more like a hostage-rescue guy than a WWII infantryman.

[@borkwoof696]

Another big point is that most of your targets probably won’t be man-sized. People that are shot at or are shooting at someone often have a tendency to take cover (crazy). Engaging a brightly covered silhouette at 300yards from the prone is much easier than a kneeling shoot at a partially obscured, low contrast target at 200.

[@akmarksman]

obviously a $3,000 Leupold in the 5-25x range, with a offset 4x ACOG, and a piggyback RMR on the ACOG. Don't forget to cheap out on the scope mount, something like a swampfox would suffice, because "jUsT aS gUd"

[@herknorth8691]

@@akmarksman bah! That's elitist! Just buy a laser pointer off the interweb and tape it directly to the barrel.

[@gaymer5697]

I think i just found my new favorite gun channel. Logical explanation of a thing that most people aren't thinking about with interesting visuals. Great video!

[@jonwebsterabbott]

The other reason to have magnification is positive ID of targets - given urban environments are full of people knowing who is friend vs foe is going to be a real challenge.

[@burgundypoint]

Really interesting take. I think you are right that magnification is desirable. But what you really need is an equipped and trained team for a WROL scenario. If you go alone you will be SOL regardless of equipment.

[@markcarico546]

This was a great video. I think cqb is important though. Think about going into buildings for supplies, shelter, or moving through buildings and like back yards in order to conceal movements. Chances are that if I'm moving through a town in that kind of situation I'm going to do my best to not use streets because that's wide open and ambushes are much more likely. If do move through streets a grey man style of approach is probably going to be my go to, i.e. red dawn style grey man, normal clothes, no tactical gear, no extra gear I don't have to bring, pistols probably concealed, unless the dress code for the apocalypse is drastically different, either way dressing for the situation is important. One thing to point out though is urban is a very diverse term. Moving into my closest town for supplies or networking would probably look a lot like you described, however going to a more dense population center (or starting there) somewhere with more high rise buildings or just more dense buildings would look pretty different. Phoenix, salt lake city, and Las Vegas are all urban as well and yes they have their longer distances but they also have a lot more structures that create typical cqb environments. Which is why it's hard to set up one do it all rifle. I feel like it really depends on how long it's been too into the situation. The first week or two I'm probably best off with a pistol or something small and compact for cqb because I'm more likely to get into a fight at Wal-Mart over toliet paper or a gas station then I am to get into a long drawn out engament down a street. So that "Looney tunes" style of bumping into each other on a corner might happen. 2 weeks to 3 months will probably see gangs or neighborhoods that have formed gangs, in which case an ar that can engage multiple targets or provide suppressing fire might be handy, especially if moving a family or group. 3 months to a year will probably see more stabilization, solidified control over certain areas and some restoring of a type of order, either those gangs controlling a bigger area or what not, but it's the bigger more dense population centers that will still be more lawless, so more cqb and again, probably more grey man, though at this point in a lot of areas open carry will probably be more common but not the uber tacticool style, probably more just a gun on the hip or a long gun cross body carry with a hunting sling. We would probably also see a lot more check points and restriction of movements at this point probably by local militias. 1+ years and we would probably see a return to some kind of normal life, though it will probably look very different, unless it's something global like nuclear war then we would see local or regional governments (possibly we would see outside influence) formed people going to work (though maybe not in the same compacity) and then it's either going to be carrying under different capacity of a whatever the new laws would look like or back to grey man style of concealed carry. Also there is the not of training, most people who own firearms aren't training with with, so the criticism of most people don't train past 25 yards is applicable to the bad guys too. Possibly more so, the chances of someone springing an ambush at 2-300yrds is very unlikely, even with training and unless you are not in an urban area there really isn't a reason to shoot out that far. At that distance the likelihood is that they would completely miss or that you'd already be hit. Think more Viet cong style ambushes, relatively untrained militia group with the element of surprise conducting very close range ambushes. Yes it might be helpful while breaking contact to reach out at touch someone but at that point you're mostly out anyway. I love that you actually went through and measured distances but I think the scenario is unlikely even for an unlikely scenario like total societal collapse across the nation. Also for people who own guns according to pew research among all gun owners 72% own handguns, 62% own rifles, and 54% own shotguns, of people who only own one gun 62% own handguns, 22% own rifles, and 16% own shotguns (2017). Also urban people are half as likely to own a gun as suburban which are half as likely to own a gun as rural (pew research 2017). So the likelihood of running into someone in an urban area with a gun is already unlikely and on top of that it's most likely to be a pistol. Instead of getting into a long distance gun fight down a street it's much more likely to be mugged at close range (even in a shtf situation) so cqb is much more likely. Thank you for your time making these videos, even though we might not agree I appreciate the info you put out.

[@davidbutler5101]

Great points

[@marcuskurasz9165]

One thing that I think may be worth considering is that these statistics are from 2017, and in 2020 there were more than 3 million first time gun buyers. So I’m not saying the likelihood of who has guns have exactly changed, but they very well could have.

[@KendrasEdge757]

I’m with ya on the pollen. Had to go to the VA hospital Wednesday from shortness of breath from my sinus infection horrible man and seven meds including methylprednisolone is grrrrreat for the agro-me. Feel better brotha! Losin my voice myself from albuteral, fluticasone and pollen. Everything’s yellow in VA, and 2 minutes after it rains it’s all yellow again lol appreciate tha uploads while sick brotha!

[@JackManiacky]

I had sinus surgery last year. It was brutal. I'm somewhat better though. Good luck man

[@KendrasEdge757]

@@JackManiacky appreciate it. Would you do it over again? What do they do, just open them up some so they clear up easier? I’ve had allergies my entire life and was on weekly shots as a kid, but grew out of the worst of it, but still had some that are kept to an “I can deal” state with loratadine; just switched to zyrtec and added singular, but they’ve never been so bad I got shortness of breath like this, scary. I had covid in Feb/mar of 2020 for four weeks and had some sob, but not like this was. I quit smoking six years ago or I’d probably be worse off. Meds are definitely helpin though so that’s a plus.

[@JackManiacky]

@@KendrasEdge757 I've always had sinus/allergy problems. Last year I had a sinus infection for 6 months that I couldn't kick with antibiotics. They went in and opened up the passages and sucked all the infection up. They drilled some holes in bones to help drain better. The recovery was terrible. It bleeds a lot. It was about two weeks before I was productive at work again. A couple months until it was fully healed. The surgery was miserable but, so was being sick all the time, so I'd say overall it was worth it. I still get a sinus infection from time to time and the air pressure changes mess with me, but I can clear the infections quicker and without meds. There's something called balloon sinuplasty, where they go in an inflate a tube to open your passages. If that could work for you I would try that. It isn't very invasive and opens you up. Look up chronic sinusitis symptoms, talk to your ENT and push to get a CT scan. That was the breakthrough for me. Getting that scan let's them see exactly what's wrong without guessing.

[@KendrasEdge757]

@@JackManiacky damn that sounds ROUGH! Yeah idk about all that, but the less invasive one is interesting. Id definitely consider it if I had infections all the time, but this is gettin older the more years pass. I’ll check it out though. I don’t get that many infections, but this one’s been tough to kick and I’ve had a Zpack and a 7 day course of cephalexin. Appreciate ya explaining it to me. I’m sure there’s some videos on KZbin about it. Should switch up the algorithm pretty nice for me lol

[@MeKnotChu6651]

I do landscaping sinus issues are my kryptonite. I use saline solution to flush my nostrils about once a week. Especially when I have an infection. When you have a sinus infection the mucus clings to the bacteria and acts as an armor for it. Flushing your nostrils will take away that armor letting the antibiotics effectively do their job.

[@snakebite210]

Well done sir. I love how you used the different vantage points to get your points across. I think this video sets you apart from the other content creators. Love the dog footage too.

[@BrassFacts]

I try to use a lot of reasoning/logic, thus if you don't agree, at least you had my data/thought process and can come to your own conclusion, or adapt it to your situation .

[@jhutch1470]

@@BrassFacts Your dog was not at 75 yards. I did not need magnification to watch him play.

[@jhalscott]

In my urban environment it’s not uncommon to have several straight line engagement ranges as far as 1000 yards down long streets.

[@BrassFacts]

Indeed

[@spartanpatriot3163]

And most people can’t hit a target past 500 let alone a moving target

[@tankace653]

Yea but they will learn fast! Your neighbor may become the local Warlord!

[@jhalscott]

@@tankace653 not my neighbors.

[@ray32245mv]

@@Valorius so dont practice out to 500m, dont have that capability at all, because in a RL SHTF situ there 100% will never be a good reason to shoot at that distance in an urban environment where lots of ppl are competing for potentially very valuable resources? Nah. A gucci 556 with only an aimpoint/eotech/holosun red dot leaves a lot to be desired. And I really like aimpoints.

[@rumobin]

Really appreciate your content! As always a very interesting topic - one that gets underestimated quite often. The most heavy firefighting during a war takes place in urban areas. In sniperschool we prepared for engaging distances up to 600 Meters/Yards in urban war (for most european cities this works well, new-world chessboard alike settlements are a completely other mess!) LPVOs seem to be the most practical sight in such a scenario. But a point to think about is the magnification ratio. Although a 1-10x gives you great surveillance capability and flexibility it's more prone to malfunction if ill-treated than lets say a 1-4x. This is due to the moving parts and longer travel distance of the lens inside the tube. Unless I get hands on a really high quality optic i'd stick with less magnification ratio or even fixed magnification glasses supplemented with a fixed 10x or 15x monocular for obs (because those tend to get thrown around the most :S). To be able to cover CQC and be able to take longe range shots is quite hard without cutting corners - either work in a team with designated roles or carry two rifles. What are you guys thinking? Also about the ballistic effect of .223 at 600y?

[@BrassFacts]

I'm a big fanner of the smaller lpvos 1-6x max or 1-4x like you said, my main go to stuff has Elcan's, prism etc. So I'm not too worried about durability. my longer range stuff it's niche enough that It's a acceptable trade off 556 blows at 600 yards, but it's not useless by any means. Especially with the lack of higher care in these scenarios.

[@Kross8761]

@@BrassFacts and the fact that we have access to ammunition that the military doesn't use (not that any 5.56 performs spectacularly at 600) but offerings like the Sierra TMK or Hornady ELD-M are capable of still expanding at velocities as low as 1300fps so while you're not getting stellar performance, you can still do a lot of damage if you put the bullet where it needs to go (and the bullets I mentioned also have the added benefit of being highly accurate match rounds making the job of hitting those shots easier. My general purpose rifle is a 13.7 with a 1-10 LPVO, a canted red dot, suppressor, and a weaponlight, and it's plenty capable of hitting targets accurately out to 500 with not much difficulty while still being pretty short if I do have to go indoors. I'm of the opinion that more magnification is almost always better if I can switch magnification easily via throw lever, because if I am making a difficult shot then I'm probably going to dial in as close as I can get, and even if I don't need it in a fight it functions as a scouting tool.

[@AlexanderOnHisDay]

I really like this point of view. I think we have a tendency to only think about the cqb/room clearing stuff but here you consider other factors and realities. Really refreshing.

[@taxtrograve707]

Great video for a reality check. Love the POV perspective of distance. I use Google Earth all the time to try to get that distance in mind, but I now can justify getting a range finder.

[@theduke7539]

In a true shtf scenario. Everyone becomes a civilian, and the 2 best options for cities are to flee by yourself or fortify your block with your neighbors. The second is way harder to pull off, but if you are able to do it, the prospects for long term survival are far higher as their is only a certain height you can reach surviving on your own. Your personal gear is the same problem, flexibility and specialization are constantly at odds, so you have to find that happy balance for your strategy

[@guytech7310]

urban survival is hopeless in a long term collapse. You can only survive as long as your supplies last, and that presumes, events like fire, disease problems don't force you to flee as a refugee. You cannot grow food, you cannot hunt (unless your thinking about cannibalism). Water is going to be a problem as Muniwater will stop working and and surface water sources (ie rivers, streams) will be hopelessly polluted.

[@Fvckyou123]

@@guytech7310 You wouldn’t be able to farm anywhere because everyone has the same idea to go after farming supplies. The animal population would be wiped out pretty quick too. If SHTF it really just would be chaos and people shooting each other lol.

[@guytech7310]

@@Fvckyou123 Nope. I live in a rural area where homes (farms) are miles apart and in rolling hills. No way urban\burb dwellers get anywhere near here. The nearest interstate is about 75 miles away from my home & there is a small mountain range between the intestate & my home. When the fuel runs out, most will perish as they are not going to be able to walk hundreds of miles, especially carry basics & water & firearms. I don't expect anyone to pay me a visit. I am not on a main road, & you cannot see anything on my property since it completely surrounded by thick forested land. My closet neighbor is a forested property owned by a paper mill. Every 20 years they log the land for the mill. Not worried about neighbors since just about all of them are over 70 years old.

[@Fvckyou123]

@@guytech7310 smart. I forget that super rural areas exist

[@happyjohn354]

@@guytech7310 Most of those depend on location The city where I am at has many nature areas in the form of small canyons that crisscross through the area and even has multiple streams and natural water sources and even a few artificial reservoirs.

[@johngifford7725]

Longest range shot inside my neighborhood where I lived for a decade was 428yds. I practiced with red dots and irons at the range for that. I really like my scout rifle set up. It runs easy enough at 2x and leaves my field of view open. At 7x I've reached out to 650yds. It's a bit difficult, but doable. 500yds and in is a snap. I just wish it was semiautomatic. It's good to run in groups, so I usually go with a person running AR or AK as a more capable close up and distance team. Only thing better than a gun is two guns. Only thing better still is a buddy to run the other gun.

[@MrBossuporbowout]

This is one of the best videos I've seen on engagement distances. Perception of a distance is a lot different from reality and this video covers so many basis. Thanks for sharing

[@Spartisman]

Every one does reviews but not many people do videos like this. Thanks and keep up what you do.

[@markcarleton6647]

I like where you demonstrated the 1x vs magnified view showing the person behind cover. Like you said in an earlier video, the 2 stage trigger helps a lot with making longer range / more precise shots. I’ve heard LPVO magnified optics make sense for SHTF because you need to ID targets and the targets are going to be behind cover. I think what your saying here is consistent with that. SHTF can / does happen in urban environments.

[@jimsinnovations2737]

Ahh thanks man was wondering something and read your comment and it answered It. Thanks

[@RealitySurvival]

Some great points. I personally prefer LPVOs for most situations. The versatility is just better.

[@BrassFacts]

Oh I agree. I run lpvos on everything. Except niche rifles.

[@ViktoriousDead]

Fact of the matter is if you’re getting or think you’re going to get engaged at 400+ yards you should think about breaking contact and leaving not trying to take long shots. The infantryman lives to close distance with and kill the enemy, and this has been done through histories in relatively close ranges.

[@DavidMishchukDM]

I prefer these thought-experiment videos over the typical gear review. To be honest, there are way too many channels out there in the ether reviewing gear. Not enough POU or intentionality behind the gear, so this is great, keep it up!

[@BrassFacts]

Thanks man!

[@BrohammerInc]

This has kind of been my line of thinking recently. I went with a 12 and a half inch 556 pistol with a two times prism optic. I think a 1 to 6 vortex site might have been better but at least it's some magnification.

[@frigglebiscuit7484]

the vortex lpvo and mounts are heavy af. almost like 2 lbs.

[@devin62845]

This is gold. 1-8 and 1-10s are my fav set ups

[@scubasteven1000]

This is why I've recently gotten into airsoft and airsoft milsim events. Perfect training for scenarios like this. Recently took a buddy of mine, was against airsoft, and he enjoyed it and realized he wasn't as trained as he thought he was. Good video, I subbed and look forward to more videos in the future.

[@Kevin-438]

I used to do milsim events as well and it’s a good eye opener. People like to bag on it, but it’s the best way to know if you’re as trained as you think you are. Anybody can stand there and maneuver around some barrels shooting at paper. But in an actual event where people are shooting at each other. It’s a different story. The airsoft guns may have short ranges, but you’re actively battling a real person or team who can possible out maneuver and out smart you. Also, Indoor cqb events made me realize just how fast paced and terrifying actual cqb combat is. And you’re not even dying when getting hit.

[@scubasteven1000]

@@Kevin-438 yeah it's a huuuuge eye opener. My first event shell-shocked me lol just chaos 😆 and when people bag on it, I just tell them, "I'd rather shoot real people with fake pews, than shoot fake targets with real pews." And, those little plastic bbs hurt lol

[@nvgboiyes6386]

Yeah, and really any thing that has realistic combat mechanics that feature an opponent that reacts to you. Can be a valuable tool for training, that why the military has actual war games, and events like airsoft milsim, as well as combat computer games like arma, onward, etc can be a real eye opener as it puts emphasis on simulated yet realistic scenarios.

[@Salkehatchie]

Love these types of videos vs reviews. Delta34 is the reason I got a ACOG and couldn't be happier with it. Thanks.

[@aryanpashtun416]

Same I have a FN M16A4 with ACOG

[@Salkehatchie]

@@aryanpashtun416 Hell yeah

[@scotopicvision]

I live in New York. this video made me walk around the city and Long Island with a laser range finder zapping different areas. I rarely come across an area where a red dot would not be suffice. Plus walking around with anything more then a pistol concealed is going to bring a lot of unwanted attention from Leo, military, and civilians

[@donh1572]

Well said!

[@spookyindeed]

How to say I didn't pay attention to the video without saying I didn't pay attention to the video.

[@scotopicvision]

@@spookyindeed …..how to say you don’t know about urban tactics without saying I don’t know urban tactics. Do you even operate bro?

[@L33T_Taco]

0:27 mans playing Ghost Recon Wild Lands right now wtf thought i was watching an in game cinematic for a second where the main characters review themselves to move in formation forward

[@ohcaptmycaptain669]

Thank you for being the only channel (that I know of) that gives educated and practical information. I don’t need reviews on the newest hot thing out there. I need to find ways to become better with what I already have. I especially liked the shots of town with yardage superimposed. People don’t realize how probable those distances are for a fight until they see them. Another solid video.

[@MultiChicklets]

never watched garand thumb?

[@ohcaptmycaptain669]

@@MultiChicklets yeah, he’s primarily product reviews, torture tests, and guests talking about their set ups. I did really like when he had Mojo on for recoil control.

[@robertmcwhinney2061]

I watched a few of your videos, some I liked a couple maybe not so, but from the information you present here I determined you deserve a follow. Keep it up.

[@greenghost5009]

My experience on the streets, especially when I lived in the city, it’s definitely a trap for anyone not familiar with gang ways, alleys, jumping fences and hiding in cuts, you can get hit from all over the place, depends on how you move for sure, but I wouldn’t want to be in the city when SHTF, it’ll be like the division but worse

[@uncreativename9936]

Loving your videos, you're definitely one of the few reasonable people when it comes to talking about this sorta stuff. One thing I'd like to comment on though is consider holding onto your mags during reloads and putting the empty one back into your carrier. Not only will it extend the life of your magazines, but I also think it's generally a good idea to treat your magazines as well as the weapon as opposed to disposable (although I can't take credit for the idea, the military drilled it into me :p) because even for people who have a shit ton of mags, usually a lot of them have issues, hence why they bought new mags. So even in an actual gunfight you'll ideally want to hold onto the good mags you're using as you likely won't be able to recover them if you just drop them on the ground. Also if you do any tactical reloads, this allows you to keep the low magazines to be used later if you run out of full ones. If you want a good reload technique for doing this, the one I was taught in the military is very good. I don't know if it has a name, I tried a quick search for "Army rifle reload" and can't find it so I'll attempt to give and adequate description over text. Basically you tuck your elbow into your side with your elbow bent at 90 degrees and the rifle also rotated 90 degrees so that it's still pointed down range, but the magazine is pointing inside or across your body. You then take your forefinger and thumb and "pinch" the mag in your carrier with these two fingers (another protip, have your mags in your carrier so that the inner side of the curve is facing your shooting side. So as a lefty the tops of the mags in the carrier would point to your left shoulder). Place the new mag on top and perpendicular to the one in the rifle with the open end of the new magazine facing towards you. Again pinch the mag in the rifle with either your fore and middle finger or middle and ring finger. Remove the old magazine and rotate your hand and put the new magazine in and then return the old magazine to your carrier. Writing it out makes it seem way more complicated than it is, but it's not, it's incredibly simple and doesn't take long to get used to at all. Anyways, great videos keep it up!

[@BrassFacts]

yeah I took tac loads when I need too, I'm well versed in the method. I do them occasionally on the channel. I'm of the school of thought that mags are disposable once depleted (in training I go back and get them later). I have enough mags that I will die before I burn through of them in any "real world" scenarios. Thanks for the input though. appreciate it.

[@Zoraxon]

As much as I understand the "airshit"/"chairsoft" aspect of this, I've found this very concept to be useful in my airsofting. (not that you should cheap out on duty glass, but) A little Amazon special magnifier helps out a lot with increasing effective range (on a minute of building gun admittedly) and identification capabilities. Great video, and I dug the collab with Hop on his channel too. Made me wanna get innawoods/innadesert

[@somedud1140]

This is exact same larping, this fallout apocalypse scenario is straight up impossible. There will always be some resemblance of states and militaries. Since he mentioned special kind of cottage, there's nothing civilian in civil war, if it starts, military will play major role and if it gets overstretched, they will recruit and forcibly conscript more men. By "they" I mean all belligerent sides. How do I know? Because that's how it always played out in history. So larp proudly! Be it airsoft, medieval, fantasy, fallout or the second civil war.

[@markbryce9074]

I recognize UTA busses & SLC anywhere! Love your content! Keep up the great knowledge you always give us!

[@BrassFacts]

hi utah man

[@Heiryuu]

I have no real world experience with actual combat, but in a game called ground branch I was able to build a load out that best fits my own philosophy for bugging out/EDC. So 3 mags total for my primary, 3 mags total for my side arm. Built the AR in game the way I did IRL and did the best I could with the rest of my kit. Put myself up against the hardest level AI and even against as few as 3 shooters I got my ass kicked 9/10 times. There’s always an angle you can’t anticipate, a window you didn’t notice, and you get shot 4 times in the back for your trouble. It’s not a prefect 1 to 1 with real life but it was eye opening for me. I’m 100% sure that in a real SHTF situation I’m going to fucking die based off of that game experience.

[@extremeencounter7458]

Yea as weird as it seems to compare games to IRL, many scenarios in Ground Branch and Tarkov play out exactly how it would normally. Especially when online, with people practicing self preservation, you realize how impossible it is to gather intel on basically any part of the environment.

[@rickysantana5658]

Great video that really makes a lot of sense and something I really never thought about. Moving my 1-6 to the 12.5 and getting a 1-10 for the 16 inch. This video just earned you a new sub.

[@HobbiesWithMike]

I’m a little outside Baltimore and terrain has a heavy hand in possible engagement ranges, not to mention how much you could see from an overpass of the roof of a strip mall

[@jimster1111]

i had rimworld on in the background while watching this and thought my audio mixer screwed up lol, subbed.

[@akforge]

Good stuff, one of the reasons I got in AR-10’s. Distance and cover are things. To many people think reality is a video game.

[@deltathirtyfour]

One of my favorite ones so far. Took thoughts right outta my head! Hopefully this resonates with a lot of people.

[@BrassFacts]

granted. we did talk about it a lot. So im sure some of these talking points were out of your head.

[@BlackCloud0351]

🍻

[@josephrogers8213]

I never believed shooting distance would be so short around cars distance in increases rapidly parking lots. Elevated increases rapidly on either end of the equation. The list goes on

[@kiteokoh2652]

New subscriber. Fantastic content! One small but important point I'd like to contribute is too many folks use LPVOs as little more than magnified red dots. The etched reticles aren't understood or even used. Dialing elevation with turrets are understood even less by the typical ar15 training community. I learned the long range game shooting PRS with a bolt Tikka 308 in matches out to 1000 yards. When I ventured back into the carbine run/gun world I realized how little my friends knew about all the things on thier LPVOs...cause they simply wanted 6x or 8X or 10x at 100 yds! I run a 3x magnifier on a 10.3 mk18 which I set up as a 0-300m gun. I have light reece and a mk12 for 300-600m. Again, great content man!

[@vicnighthorse]

It has taken me a long time to get over my 1980s infantry training which was before all infantryman had optics and I was in the Army where we were told our main tactic was to 'find and fix' the enemy with shots that weren't necessarily hitting them and then having fire support from big weapons directed by our squad or platoon radios (individual soldiers didn't have radios that I remember) "finishing" them. Old person mentality can be a problem for sure. However, like most, I think cities after rule of law is gone will be death traps. Way too many "tangos" (I heard that in a movie:-). I suspect that if you are in an urban area the only sensible thing to do in WORL is GTFO (where your magnified optics will be even more useful.) I also wouldn't want to be walking around where there are 10 mile lines of sight in multiple directions either. This is not criticism of your choice of training grounds as they look like a wonderful place to train or just hike to me.

[@BrassFacts]

GTFO only works if you have somewhere to GTFO to. Urban isn't ideal (it's actually the worst), but for many, that's all we got.

[@vicnighthorse]

@@BrassFacts I suppose you may (no idea what the odd of WROL is) have a choice between a cage match with countless contenders or a very dangerous camping trip looking for a group that is producing food and water that will take you in for some reason. I bet there are such groups though, if the person was fit, gave off the right vibes and had useful skills and equipment. It might be a good idea to find that group now. You might not have to quit your current life yet if you have enough to offer them.

[@Followme556]

@@BrassFacts Even if you do, GTFO early, or you're probably not going anywhere. Once it becomes apparent that you need to be somewhere else, there will be so much congestion and traffic on the city highways that no one is leaving. I'm in Philly. BLM/ANTIFA burned my neighborhood down twice in 2020. They were blowing up all the ATMs and stealing the money, mass looting, massive numbers of shootings, and the cops stood down for all of it. In fact in some instances Philly PD fled on foot, en masse, from approaching rioters. Elijah Schaefer from "Slightly Offensive" got punched in the face about 1/2 mile from where i live in the shopping center where I do my shopping. The entire thing was destroyed.

[@sombra6153]

I hear you. Have been in the same boat - same school. It took me about 20 years to learn to appreciate and see the usefulness of a red dot on a carbine - longer for a pistol. I got into LR rifle when I lived in AZ, and scopes were a must. Still can’t say I know what I’m doing, but I can hit relatively small targets at 500m with a decent AR on 10x from a very sold rest-supported bench or prone. My subdivision is still surrounded by rural terrain but getting developed at a rapid pace with virtually no straight line streets inside. If there was an an “a-pockeyclyps” or a breakdown otherwise, I red dots or irons would still be adequate for most of the block - 6x on an LVPO at the most.

[@JukeBoxHero-sk7cq]

Haven’t seen any of your videos yet but the channel looks great, can’t wait to dive in!

[@stevedo18able]

In the end I settled for a 2x fixed prism from Primary Arms. Good enough for bad breathe distances, a blessing for anything 50-200yards compared to all my buddies' red dots while keeping it stupid simple. no flip or dials.

[@MrBigChops]

I just bought a 3x Microprism and two of the 1x Microprisms from Primary Arms.

[@MrBigChops]

I’m worried about the 3x in CQB but it’s my 16” Bulgarian AK74 rifle so it’s going to be my only magnified gun

[@stevedo18able]

@@MrBigChops I have metal flip up irons 45 degree cant on both my 2x's. Probably not possible on an AK, but shoot a 5" sight radius is all you really need anyway for bad breathe engagements. If you can do it with a handgun, you can do it with a rifle. Doesn't need that 20" sight radius seen on most AR's.

[@huntmatthewd]

@@MrBigChops I just got my PA 3X micro prism. Awesome. 👌

[@firstimeshooter6590]

Great point. And your examples of distances in your neighborhood was an eye opener. I think I might measure my area and make some mental notes.

[@nonyabeeznuss304]

I've participated in both Urban and rural combat. Yes, there is certain gear that is useful and makes performing various tasks easier and safer (to a degree). That said, it was the fact I was with a unit that had spent the last 18 months training together and had leaders who had been doing it for years that really counted as our edge. If you are alone, or your little crew doesn't have extensive training together, you ain't gonna make it. Especially since you won't have a helo on standby 5 minutes out to come casevac you if you go down. People need to know that in SHTF where any normal people have any chance of actually doing this sort of thing that if you go down, you will probably stay down.

[@joshuanewer5254]

Keep these coming!! Reviews are nice. But this gets people thinking and hopefully planning.

[@Ben-lo7cy]

For the zombie apocalypse I always thought I’d carry either a 16” or possibly a 14.5 with either 1-6 or 1-8 since you get magnification plus etched reticle.

[@valiant545]

This channel is quickly becoming a favorite of mine. Happy to see you grow!

[@gurkane4080]

This type of info is much more useful to me than the gear reviews.

[@josephvalinski849]

I just got a g33 magnifier and I have been loving it with my comp m4. It's not as cumbersome as I thought it would be and it feels really solid. It makes the dot more clear with my astigmatism and it has a decent eye box. I honestly see no downside to popping a g33 on any red dot rifle.

[@Shattered_Times]

I would argue LPVOs #1 strength first and foremost in this setting is PID. This allows you to leave an area before a fight begins. Also in end of times require no batteries. Downside obviously is eyebox and ability to use at night. I think certain circumstances in the world currently are a good example of why an LPVO is a superior choice for an urban warfare environment; defending an invading force. However like anything I still believe these are 2 different tools for 2 different things. Think about your own situation, environment, and needs. Both is ideal.

[@EdwardOrnelas]

thats fair, but I run nods so LPVO suck for that. i use a red dot/Magnifier combo. It’s worked for 20+ years in the field so I figured its good enough for urban engagements

[@FXIIBeaver]

Fiber optic Acog and fiber optic RMR is still the best combo and it is lighter.

[@EdwardOrnelas]

@@FXIIBeaver reject LPVO modernity, go back to Acog/rmr combo

[@roberthutchinson2856]

@@EdwardOrnelas eotech +5/6x magnifier is primetime

[@Shattered_Times]

@@EdwardOrnelas I run NV too you can mount a T2 at 12 o clock or run one offset it you like. Or you can actively aim with a laser. There is alot of options. This is why people should focus on their individual environments and priorities rather than go for a catch-all optic, gun, or other equipment.

[@tsafa]

This is a great video. I actually enjoy these type of videos even more than reviews.

[@Kalashnigoon]

And remember boys, all it takes is one 12 year old with a handgun to end your adventures abruptly.

[@BrassFacts]

yeah it's all about increasing the odds, but at the end of the day, you could get unlikely, be dumb, or just shit circumstance and it's all over.

[@Andrew--S]

Your channel has better videos than the plastic 100k+ sub channels. I'm clearing my schedule to watch everything. Keep up the great work.

[@greenghost5009]

If you played “the division” and know the story and what those agents go through it’s pretty much what this guy is putting out, thanks for the info and for me I’d rather use a lpvo than a red dot 🔴 but we all different

[@jamessvistun9400]

A lot of thought put into this video. Thank you for your time bro. I learned a lot

[@canadadelendaest8687]

In my predeployment briefing to Iraq - 2008 - we were told that the average engage range was around 200 meters in the city. This is a pretty good video.

[@nocturnekinetics]

Great discussion, a lot of what people talk about online is completely delusional. I also hate that CQB has become synonymous with room-clearing. Close quarters can be a near ambush in the woods, clearing through a riverbed, etc as well, it isn't all "how to step through a doorway".

[@nocturnekinetics]

@@Valorius Having done this shit for a living, it is mainly about intelligence gathering. You aren't going to get much from a burned out building or a pile of dead HVTs.

[@nocturnekinetics]

@@Valorius Yeah sorry I guess I didn't clarify this, I meant that this is why the military does/trains CQB so much in modern day. And yeah in all out warfare this is basically not a concern, nor is it a concern for a civilian in this type of scenario.

[@ClarkKyle]

I appreciate these think tanks, they really help my day dream realistically! Great job bro

[@Zach-rw6jf]

There's a reason the military has officially moved to LPVOs. They recognize the importance of both 1x and magnification.

[@readingthebible5413]

The military doesn’t always pick equipment because it’s the best application for the task. And LPVO’s are garbage. Jack of all trades, master of none. That is why guys also hang an offset red dot on their gun. Why add the weight, cost, and complexity of a red dot is the 1x on a LPVO was even remotely useful? And the exit pupil on a lot of 1-8’s isn’t very big. So, again, meh. At that point get a good 3-9 with an offset red dot and call it good. Something like the D-Evo from Leupold is the future. Or at least should be.

[@arconreef]

"the military" has not officially moved to anything. The cutting edge $3000+ LPVOs that certain branches of the military are looking at have very little in common with those sub-$500 pieces of junk that most civilians are buying. Those things have little to no value in actual combat when compared to a quality red dot or holographic sight.

[@StickyTadpoles]

Shīra Yet in the last few years many US special forces in the Stan have been using 1-6 vortex strike eagles, and primary arms lpvos as a choice. Built tough lifetime warranty and cheap enough to have a few around as spares.

[@hammerarmament]

Fwiw, I really enjoy these “theory” type videos. Reviews are great and all, but these videos that dive into the theory behind the gear are useful and enjoyable. Keep it up.

[@Followme556]

One thing a lot of people don't think about in urban combat/warfare/SHTF, etc: The Sewers. In Stalingrad there was another whole war that took place beneath the streets. Does your city have sewers? That's something you should know.

[@BrassFacts]

my city is a sewer, especially downtown. Oh you mean the literal sewer... yeah we have that too

[@The10thManRules]

How do you "know" a sewer? Sewer systems 80-100 years ago in Eurostan vs what's 20yd from your mom's basement isn't knowledge you actually posses.

[@Followme556]

@@douglascarlsonmpd5732 Yes, any city with a subway. Philly, NYC, DC, etc.

[@DowntownDeuce2]

@@Followme556 Yes! That's a great idea, because no one knows the subway lines are there, and there's never any people using subways!

[@Followme556]

@@DowntownDeuce2 You're right. Stalingrad never happened. The Nazis and Red Army didn't fight in and for the sewers for months. And you're not a petulant loser that is now going to troll all over this thread to lash out at the bad man that made you look dumb. Good job princess. Good job.

[@boneharvester_eth4021]

Great video and content. I’m in Los Angeles. I’m running scar 20s with a 1-8x LPVO (trijicon) and a thermal trijicon optic. We have 300lbs hungry drugged up humans out here. When people are hungry and thirsty….

[@cpt.moroni3092]

When I was in “ “ I learned to set up a weapon system for the enemy not the mission. I use an AR10 as my patrol rifle these days. 16” Aero M5 with a Faxon pencil barrel, 2-10 mil dot scope, and 168 SMK loaded ammo. Doesn’t weigh much more than my SPR in 5.56

[@davesrandomvideos]

Finally! A like minded individual. After all of the same thoughts I finally got an optic that meets our belief. A Vortex Eagle Strike, the only complaint is the cheek weld is very tight. But that is with practice.. Thanks for the post!

[@pierpoker1]

I personally rather have conceptional stuff than reviews.

[@Gigachad_97]

The Nightforce ATACR 1-8x, ReptiliaCorp mount with a Trijicon RMR over top is the ultimate optics platform IMO. Solid magnification that can be used well out to 500 yards, the RMR mounted over top for use under NODS and for indexing the LPVO over to a target.

[@GBGuns]

Valid points!

[@jacobmunion8384]

Been on the fence with a LPVO. Have a fixed 3x on my rifle currently. Might just pull the trigger on the LPVO, does all the things a fixed 3x can plus some. Your video definitely opened my eyes for more magnification.

[@Jrh-rp7np]

Dude don’t cheap out,, I got the Sig msr tango 1-8x and it’s actually not bad 1-4x but you start going above that and the scope shadow gets terrible,, you’ll be moving your head around like Linda Blair in the Exorcist trying to find the sight picture and don’t be moving around you’ll have to put it on a Rest ,, Which defeats the purpose of an LPVO..I actually use a cheap 3x Burris prism Ar-332 on my 450 bushmaster upper and it’s a great little scope.. it’s even got pic rails for red dots,,Still I think the best set up is a Eotech and Magnifier… or the Sig 8t which is a bit bulky but you get the selection of just a dot,, a circle dot,, 4 dot holds and a circle dot with 4 holds and NV capable and 100,000 hour battery life and shake wake.. you use that with a 4x Juliet you are in business..

[@rowdyparnell]

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY USING RIMWORLD MUSIC

[@Hawty_Hans]

im playing rimworld rn with the music off cuz i usually am watching videos like this one and hearing the rimworld music in the video confused the crap outa me lol great choice always love hearing or seeing anything rimworld

[@slowmo9957]

I like 2-3x, even within 100yards lol. Why tf wouldn’t I lol. As long as the optic has forgiving eye relief that allows for fast acquisition. The thing you said..targets are small. Everybody trains on man-size targets but in a stress environment, nobody is going to give you their whole body. Yes, give me a 3x magnifier behind my red dot so I can hit 1st round immediately.

[@M1CAustin]

Totally agree. I find myself much more accurate even outside just 50 meters with a 3x vs no magnification. With a dot I can hit a man sized target further out of course, but with magnification I can choose exactly where I hit that target.

[@slowmo9957]

@@M1CAustin exactly. In that scenario, I don’t think the challenge would be choosing where to hit an attacker; the challenge would be hitting the small target that your attacker has exposed from behind cover..like their face, hands, knees, even their weapon. Any of these hits would mechanically take them out of the fight. Given that set of conditions, range training shouldn’t strictly be center mass on man-size targets at 150 and in; training should be 4” targets at 150 and in. Gaining speed and consistency in that skill set should be the goal.

[@resentfusion5634]

Great video even lvpo or g33 magnifier is gonna be incredibly useful. Not to be taken literally but fps games provide a window into firefights that can possibly happen. For example, when both people value their lives only a bit of body may show and having some form of magnification can allow you to make a shot you otherwise couldn't hit with irons. Not to mention obvious desire to PID in situations where applicable.

[@placeholder4988]

I never imagined a combat focused video would use Rimworld music, but i can't say anything against it

[@cheryljason9617]

Observation from distance... EXPS3w/ flip to side 3x mag thank you for your time and sharing you knowledge...