Why does a civilian need a SPR? (GPR vs SPR)

[@newdefsys]

Im coming off of a multi year DMR project. Lessons learned. 1) DMR/SPR is heavy. They slow you down because you're carrying more weight. 2) DMR/SPR is expensive. I spent $3K on mine and thats still an entry level price. You can easily spend $7-10K on a single DMR/SPR. Not to mention the additional cost for higher quality match ammo. 3) DMR/SPR is a niche weapon. The military created this class of small arm to fill a particular void in their combat tactics. 4) DMR/SPR requires additional training and practice. The obligation is upon you to significantly increase your trigger time in order to extract the full potential of this class of rifle. The DMR/SPR is not just a rifle, it is a position within a squad. It is the responsibility of the Designated Marksman to put rounds onto targets at extended ranges, beyond that of the ordinary rifleman. A DMR means at some point all eyes turn to you and you had better deliver results.

[@BrassFacts]

SPR can be cheap(er). Mine weighs 10lbs with all that stuff, will just about hit sub moa with match, and about 1.5 moa with ball on a 5 round group. Total cost is roughly ~1.5k all said and done.

[@newdefsys]

@@BrassFacts Ah, yes. I built my DMR several years ago and today there are affordable options that were not available, back then. But the DMR/SPR is a niche rifle. The Army has less than 7000 DMR type rifles in total, compared to the 500,000 M4's currently in service. (Thats one DMR for every seventy M4 carbines). Truly 'niche'. I would argue that a DMR/SPR is the fifth most important rifle you need in your inventory.

[@BrassFacts]

@@newdefsys agreed most people would better served by a single well set up rifle, or maybe 2. For me, this is AR # 3 or 4

[@newdefsys]

@@BrassFacts I've unconverted my DMR. Removed the bipod and stock and replaced the scope with a red dot and re-attached the old plastic handguard. I keep the DMR parts for (just in case). But I doubt I will ever need them.

[@philliplopez1501]

Consider that most civilians may not be a good match for the typical infantry fighting rifle position on a squad. Age, injury, fittness may all be factors. Millions of hunters and hunting experience however may well mean that these folks are ideally suited to the DMR position. In fact, guerilla tactics would necessitate a small unit engaging a traditional force from a more removed/safer distance and then disengaging. In prractical historical terms the up close fighting will likely continue to be the "specialized" skill sets. So the DMR is likely to continue to see popularity for some time.

[@reedr1659]

"Why do you need that?" Between crime and Ukraine, I've been hearing a lot less of this lately.

[@kurtiscommerce3999]

🤣😂😅

[@nck4888]

If you don't want one no problem if he wants one alright,it is his right to own what he wants not what you want him to own.

[@The_WatchList]

Lmao, right

[@nickl3872]

why does my girlfriend buy $50 in makeup a week.. cause we want it lol

[@stormbringer9242]

Si vis pacem para bellum

[@OutlawGRUNT]

Living in the Midwest, noone questions the "coyote rifle" excuse when you have an spr. A little extra range and velocity is more beneficial around here any day.

[@Hoplopfheil]

How does this POU compare to the Multirole Carbine?

[@BrassFacts]

I dunno, I'm sure there's a obscure article on the internet somewhere covering this in great detail.

[@Hoplopfheil]

@@BrassFacts Impossible, I just invented the term MRC and I haven't shared it with anyone else.

[@Korruptor]

How are these comments two weeks old on a video only a day old? What sorcery is this?!

[@BrassFacts]

@@Korruptor substar early access... or a time machine. Probably the later

[@stoicodysseys6352]

As a Marine Corps veteran and ardent Patriot I enjoy your conceptual understanding and you make good points for a without law situation.

[@semajniffirg230]

Most people would be much better served by being very proficient with their 16" carbine and also having a good .308 or 6.5cm bolt gun they can carry in a drag bag when they need it. Hits can be made with a 16" rifle and 3x magnifier out to 4-500yds no problem with 62gr or 77gr ammo, any farther than that I'm gonna want a better optic and some more horsepower.

[@baneofbanes]

Yah lugging around an extra rifle doesn’t sound very practical.

[@rascalmatt6713]

I won't say it's all "Mission Dependent" but i will say it depends where you're working/living. I used to live in GA and if SHTF where i lived in GA, a 14.5" pinned and welded and or 16" AR15 would be fine. Now i live in Utah and i can make due with 16" but 18" with a bit thicker barrel is better in the mountains and wind. Basically if you live somewhere where there are wide open expanses.. you want more velocity to be able to reach further out and buck the wind better. I would like to say 5.56 and even the 77 grain OTM is somewhat obsolete but it's not. I feel very confident hitting out to 800 and even 1,000 yards depending on OPTIC and set up with a good SPR set up. I feel really good hitting out to 750-800 yards with my 8x Burris with fine, floating center dot on a DMR/SPR set up. You just have to be honest about what set up works best for you in the area you live in. If you don't have a lot of practice/trigger time... you're probably up shit creek anyways.

[@Whiskey.Tango.Actual]

@@rascalmatt6713 You feel confident out to 800 with a floating dot? How do you reliably call wind?

[@rascalmatt6713]

@@Whiskey.Tango.Actual Go look up the Burris 1-8x CQ-Mil optic. It's discontinued. I own two of them. It's a mil-radian reticle that's dual focal plane. This means that the circle and .25MOA floating center dot are 2nd focal plane and NEVER change in size through the entire magnification range. The vertical and horizontal are 1st FP and DO change in size as they are accurate at any magnification. I shoot in the windy mountains of Utah. Even with wind i can typically nail the silhouette at 750 yards but i may not get a first shot hit if i just know my vertical hold and not my wind hold. Thing is, getting your wind hold takes time. It requires either a kestrel our a shit ton of experience. If time is of the essence and or you don't have a kestrel or a DOPE card filled out, you can take a shot and quickly adjust. If you dial up the vertical hold to where your center dot is, you can then just use the single horizontal line, with mil hash tics on it, to find your exact wind hold and make quick adjustments. I'll be honest, the silhouette is pretty small at 750-850 yards with an 8x optic but IT IS DOABLE with a little practice. In all honesty, i once found 3 77 grain black hills rounds at the bottom of my range bag. I wasn't there to shoot 5.56 that day and my silhouette was at 830 yards. I did happen to have my BCM 16" BFH Mk2 middy build with me though so i figured i'd have a go. I used the DOPE i had on my Noveske 18" SPR and my first shot was about a mil high and half a mil to three quarter mils left, i can't remember exactly. Point being, i hit the silhouette with the next 2 shots...i couldn't see the impact but i could hear, "Ding, Ding" for both shots. I don't remember if i dialed or just held but that's not important, what is important is that you can definitely do it with practice, it's just not ideal. I kept the 1-8x Burris on that BCM rifle and i love it but i have a DDM4V11Pro that's got an 18" S2W or bull type barrel on it that's very accurate and is really good at fast follow up shots. I was able to complete the JP challenge with that rifle. I had the Vortex Viper 5-25x56 with EBR-7C reticle on the rifle. The challenge is to fire three shots at the silhouette at 800 yards before you hear the report of the first impact. So you should hear, "Bang, Bang, Bang, Ding, Ding, Ding". I could only get 2 with my Noveske SPR which has a 416R SS Match barrel which is more accurate than the DD but the Noveske has a flash hider and the DD is marketed as a 3gun rifle and has their compensator on it so it shoots flatter. At any rate.. i'm rambling now... just know your systems and practice to find out what you and your system are capable of. I've learned so much shooting in Utah and am so glad i moved hear from GA, where i could never really shoot long range or in the mountains. I've hit a soda can in 3 shots at 1,006 yards with my Tikka TAC A1 in 6.5 CM. and at 1,380 yards in 14 shots in a 15mph 90degree cross wind. It's been so fun to shoot out here and i have learned so much. Was 1 for 4 on a soda can at 760 yards with my Noveske SPR last summer too. Good times.

[@Whiskey.Tango.Actual]

@@rascalmatt6713 very robust reply! I'll take some more time to respond later. I also have a DDM4V11PRO 18" stick with a NF 4-16. I'm mostly in the Midwest or Idaho when I shoot longer distance and the wind is atrocious in Iowa. I learned quickly that the acog really doesn't cut it as a precision optic when I went to shoot steel out to 600 with 30mph wind. Now with the Tremor 3 reticle it's way more doable. I did manage to stick a 2/3 IPSC out at 800y and hit 9/10 on a 5mph wind day and was shocked. I'm totally hooked on the spr thing now. That was with 855 because I forgot my can of mk262! I can appreciate the extra magnification but now I'm wondering if I can slap the ATACR 1-8 on my 11.5" and still get a lot more capability out of it over the T2/magnified combo.

[@jrapp1468]

Great video, very well thought out. This system would be extremely useful to have in any kind of collapse scenario. You have some of the best content out there in terms of thinking through different systems for different scenarios. I find that to be much more interesting then just another gear review.

[@marcusrauch4223]

I’ve been wondering what the difference between an SPR a DMR and a sniper is. My conclusion is: SPR basically based on a general purpose rifle optimized for extended ranges, and uses match grade versions of standard rifleman ammo. DMR is a rifle that is optimized for long range and is in a full sized rifle cartridge for higher long range performance, lethality and ammo interchangeability with machine guns. Sniper is highly specialized on long range shooting specific targets and doesn’t work in a squad, but only with a spotter.

[@mattfleming86]

Great video! However I would argue that the smaller the group is, the more important a sniper/observer/sdm is. They are such a multiplier. History has shown countless examples where one or two sharpshooters has held/stopped up very large groups of opponents. Having a few folks in place to "influence" the actions of an opponent may give a small group an advantage. Multiple marksmen covering multiple angles, in coordinated fire, can wreak havoc. The distributed fire can delay/prevent triangulation especially if each person makes limited engagements before revolving to another fighting position. In simple terms, that's how to make 4 people do the work of 40. That does not mean you need heavy rifles. Just accurate ones and some decent glass. You seem to understand that very very well. My rifle weighs under 8lbs with a 20rd magazine. Add 1lb to that to use similar glass as your 2-10.

[@BrassFacts]

It's worth noting, that with the modern lpvo, AR15s being "sniper accurate" that a lot of times, that gap is closed. And the difference in battlefield effectives of a SPR equipped dude and a rifle with a LPVO is quite narrow. Specifically urban. But yeah I agree

[@mattfleming86]

@@BrassFacts Oh hell yeah. Absolutely. With modern equipment i'd argue that is "sufficient" for the role at least till ranges get looong. As long as you arent trying to do it with a 10.3 and a naked aimpoint. Shorties struggle with long range fighting. "Book" definition SPRs would be a PAIN to do cqb with. That sweet middleground is a happy place.

[@commoncorysense1809]

@@BrassFacts Respectfully not trying to stir the pot. In wanting to fully understand your position, What is your definition of “Sniper Accurate”?

[@commoncorysense1809]

@@mattfleming86 respectfully, I think you need to separate the two elements of your point. Barrel Length (extreme end of short) matched with any non magnification sight system is not a fair representation in their respective factors for longer than average engagement ranges. There is no issue with making long distance calls with a 10.3 or the like as long as you consider other critical elements like the trigger itself and trigger time as well as weapon or field expedient stabilization, and ammo. As long as you get enough powder burn, 7-800 is feasible before bullet stabilization destroys accuracy. As long as the platform is consistent, the glass just needs to allow for target identification and target acquisition. This will enable a platform to be dialed in and based on shooter factors will consistently put rounds on target.

[@BrassFacts]

@@commoncorysense1809 able to engage reduce sized targets at extended ranges. A civilian with a lpvo equipped rifle can do 95% of the mission profile of a traditional Mk12 equipped SDM

[@brrrt7623]

I love your content. Your "thought experiments" assist me in conceptualizing my own ideas. I am putting together 3 different weapon system kits. A GPR/SPR, PDW/GPR and a DMR/SBS. Each system will have their own rucks with the needed, receiver, uppers, mags, ammo and parts and accompanying side arm with the same. The GPR/SPR is 10.5" 7.62x39 AR with a RDS and magnifier, MBUS, light, hand stop, sling. Finally got it dialed with a heavy buffer, krink flash hider, adjustable gas block, 0.120 gas port, enhanced firing pins and heavy hammer spring. It was a PIA to dial in to make it actually reliable. It's purpose is 0-300yds and is zerod for such. The accompanying SPR upper is a 6.5 grendel with 22" barrel, 6-12×50 scope with an RDS up top, light, bipod, Sling. It's purpose is 400-1000yds. Sig p320 in 40s&w is their companion. The PDW/GPR is a 8" bufferless 10mm upper with glock mag adapter, a RDS, light, handstop and sling. a BRN-180 18" with LPVO, light and sling and MBUS. both using the same folding stocks. Obviously a glock 20 in 10mm is accompanying them. The DMR/SBS is a concept still in development. It's a 24" match grade 7.62x51 upper and will be paired with a 12ga upper. The idea is loosely for stationary defense of a long term FOB with the 12GA being available for exfil. The idea is weapon system kits to provide to team members who may be ill equipped or poorly trained, to be able to train them on a system and arm that with that system and have the capability to effectively conduct varying mission sets with the proper set ups for the mission. Is any of it necessary? Not really. Am I doing to much? Probably. Do I start talking myself out of this endeavor regularly? Definitely. But I think it's a concept with some value and it's fun. I appreciate your content. I could care less about gear reviews. Thanks for what you do.

[@cleverhonky7186]

I think a general purpose rifle with a mid length gas system, lpvo with a top dot would be the most ideal shtf starting point for most people. Building that rifle as light as possible and knowing your weapon and it’s mechanics like the back of your hand is the most important. Don’t put to much junk on your main rifle.

[@bradsimpson8724]

The Holy Trinity, as far as I'm concerned, is Sling, Optic, and Light. Every rifle should have all three, or have a very specific reason why it doesn't. And every cling-on beyond those three should have a very specific purpose for being there.

[@chizorama]

Is a top dot really worth it in an LVPO? Not adding much weight, but the snagability factor increases 10fold no matter where you mount it. This might not be an issue to some, but it is too me(profile goes hand in hand with weight imo).

[@KretinD]

I'm really into puting together spr uppers at the moment. Big fan of the PA glx optics.

[@BrassFacts]

what is old is new again. When I got into firearms SPR were all the rage (granted they were probably just GPR with 18" barrels) but still. I still lust for a mk12.

[@ChilangoDios333]

PA and Holosun are making better products and innovating at q much higher rate than a lot of the bigger name product's.

[@KamalasVACANTwomb]

@@ChilangoDios333 I’d like Holosun to start making an lpvo. Their 510c is good

[@WFO.Ian.30]

@@ChilangoDios333 I’m tempted to put a holosun on my PWS lmao.

[@fook-joby-den6172]

Those PA GLx4 2.5-10 are Fucking Exceptional Quality, & great value that punches much higher that it’s price point, along with some of best Reticles on market.

[@Kriss_L]

An advantage of the AR-15 is you can swap uppers in seconds, and have a mission specific weapon.

[@travelingspartan2035]

Technically yes, though there is the matter of the buffer assembly to contend with. A buffer that is just right for your 13.7" GPR upper, may have issues with your 18" SPR upper.

[@jackbower8671]

@@travelingspartan2035 facts

[@itsthatguy169]

@@travelingspartan2035 H2 buffer both suppressed and send it

[@Tyler-uc4ye]

A little history of the MK12 SPR. That's basically what the Army wanted. But they realized that a 2 stage trigger was better. And they thought there could be a point where that upper receiver could be mounted on a receiver that was not modified by the Army gunsmiths or NSWC Crane. Same reason the Navy Seals didn't adopt the LMT Enhanced BCG for use with the M4A1. So they made the MK12 a dedicated rifle. Complete opposite of what Brass Facts has, stainless steel bull barrel that weighs about 3 lbs. A1 lower receiver with a KAC 2 stage full auto trigger. 12" quad rail with a 9-13" Harris bipod. They probably weigh 13.5-14 lbs. I need to weight mine, it's not too bad but definitely not light.

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

the purpose of an ar 15 is an intermediate distance fighting rifle. don't try and force it to be what it isn't.

[@jonathonschram3429]

I have/had a similar setup...has become my coyote rifle. Just couldn't justify the weight for an extra 100 yards of effective fire. Probably would be great if I were running with a squad in the Colorado mountains, but I can't think of a scenario where it would end up being practical in rural nebraska where I live. Keeps 75gr hdys on the ragged edge of stability @800 yards at my elevation. That rifle morphed into my coyote/short course prs gas gun. 18" medium contour kreiger, sandman k, atacr 4-16, surefire light @ 9:00, offset rmr, atlas bipod. Tips the scale at over 12 lbs. Works great for gun games/song dogs...but as a fighting rifle? Forget that. I could deck out a 16" 6.5 for the same (or less) weight.

[@calebw7177]

Let’s be honest we all need multiple rifle setups and people to run them to be effective. SBR, SPR, Bolt gun/ AR10, probably an ak as well depending on who’s invading and what ammo is going to be available on the battle field. But all this is assuming you are going to stay in a general area and fight vs hiding/ just trying to survive without conflict.

[@matthewhefty8619]

Great video. I've done a lot of thinking on the SPR concept and while I like the idea, I've found that if I'm at the point where I'm pushing the boundaries of my 14.5 with a 1-8x and need to step up, then I'm better off jumping calibers as well to an AR10. Due to this I ended up parting out my 18" gun.

[@BrassFacts]

I'm going to be running the gambit of 308 guns/systems soon. I suspect I will come to a similar conclusion

[@Manco65]

@@BrassFacts I've done both in the past. For reasons I won't list due to time I don't have any of my old dope on 308Win/7.62NATO. But using either factory or hand loaded ammo you should get 0 5-1MOA out of a good system. Sierra Matching or Hornady ELDM. Dependant on how they are currently gassed some piston AR-10 rifles may or may not run with "pet loads". I had an early SIG 716 that I had to work up approximately 1full grain of powder and near max in my manuals for it to run. But still grouped very well.

[@civiliantactical2007]

I think location is key as well. both my builds are complete opposite . one 16'' with a Leopold 556. and the other is 8'' 300blk with a sig redot. seems like your location. a riffle built towards longer range looks very optimal based off of what I see in this video.

[@philliplopez1501]

11:15 The functional difference between the 11.5 and the 18 inch barrel are Huge! It can neatly be summed up at approximately 50 feet per second per added inch of barrel. At distance this means that the longer barrel maintains sufficient velocity to continue to be leathal well past what the CQB barrels are capable of.

[@BrassFacts]

it's one of those things that matters until it doesn't. Within ~300 yards. Yeah 16-18" rifles smoke SBRs due to being above the critical velocity threshold. Past that however? All 556 are under the critical velocity threshold. At which point the energy difference only ends up being like 15-20%. I find that makes >SBR length superior within urban esk environments because it stays in that sweet spot.

[@philliplopez1501]

@@BrassFacts I like your channel and your work...So, it's worth the time to discuss. Does armor defeating capability impact your need and subsequent choice of SBR?

[@dopeoplereally3972]

@@philliplopez1501 nothing punches armor except this dick

[@presidentmerkinmuffley6769]

@@dopeoplereally3972 Interesting, I dont seem to see any backface deformation.

[@commoncorysense1809]

@@philliplopez1501 At you inquiring to “Personal Body Armor” or vehicles/barricades?

[@CaveWyatt]

Whoa! I built my own SPR/“Mk 12” concept rifle with the features/parts I wanted and that almost forgotten 18” barrel. I’m just finishing up the details. Thanks, btw, for the review of the PA Glx 2.5-10x scope. I had stuck on a spare Nikon Black 1-6x for testing but I knew that wasn’t the long term solution. To me, optic, light and sling aren’t options so I’m working my way through and adding these to everything so I’m not just moving stuff around while the rifle is in use. Anyway, it’s a very handy general purpose rifle in my estimation. More people should look into these.

[@johnturkal7243]

Great content as usual. Nothing like coming home to a happy pup.

[@MrSobe00]

The RimWorld music is just perfect

[@zact9941]

3-18 is where the money is at for a SPR.

[@adrielbarrios4559]

Very good video with alot of information. I personally love 5.56 and I've always used it for hog hunting. I've been using it for many years and I've shot hogs with 10.5 all the way up to 20 inch, and everytime 5.56 always hit very hard. I shot a 180 or 190 pound pig (don't remember exact weight) at about 180 yards with my 10.5 and it drop with 1 round. It was 55gr and I hit it in the neck so I'm guessing it was a spine shot, but the exit side was NASTY. But like I said very good video.

[@alexisdetocqueville9964]

You hear a lot about the lower velocity from shorter barreled 5.56, so it's interesting that a 10.5 will still blow out a hog's neck at 190 yards.

[@X4Alpha4X]

@@alexisdetocqueville9964 a 10.5 barrel basically starts with the velocity of a 16" that's at ~100yd so his experience at ~200 would match a 16" at ~300yd. 5.56 55-62gr is perfectly lethal out to 4-500yds so a 10.5 is equal out to 3-400

[@alexisdetocqueville9964]

@@X4Alpha4X that's not entirely true. 16" muzzle velocity is around 2800 while 10.5" is 300 less, around 2500. While it may still be lethal out to a few hundred yards, it does not start out at the same velocity.

[@scott2228]

Have an 18” BALLISTIC ADVANTAGE (Aero) SPR. Slapped a PA 4-14 on it. Love their ACSS reticle. Been to the range with it once. Would not cycle. I’ve reassembled it. Going back in a few weeks. Second guessing the Superlative Arms adjustable gas block. Bringing a 2nd lower receiver to help trouble shoot. Not like u can lighten a rifle length buffer…… right?!?!

[@nck4888]

I can give you a reason why you want long range capabilities. I was in the mountains with my nephew and brother, we parked our vehicle 400m from our campsite. We camped in an area out of view from the road but we can view the road and our vehicle . A few days into camping, some A holes were breaking into the vehicle, so we shot at them .

[@emtothedee]

So attempted murder nice

[@NBKmediaPRS]

I am a PRS competitor, but looking at getting my first AR. First time viewer. Thanks for sharing.

[@EROCK1966]

I just built an areo precision Matched upper lower AR-10 308 20-in barrel 12×50 haven't had a chance to take it out past 100yds but it's .5 moa at 100 screwing around... My 5th build 5.56/300 BO/6.5 Gren/458 Socom thinking Wilson 300 HAM-R next..Thanks for the information...

[@ChilangoDios333]

Awesome video as always. I really like my PA 2.5-10 with the 5.56/308 reticle it gets my 77gr 5.56 out to 700 yards pretty well. Why did you go with the griffin mil dot reticle as opposed to a 5.56 bdc redicle?

[@BrassFacts]

While I generally dial. The option of putting on a suppressor, dialing the offset, and then holding via the griffen mil is superior imo. PA BDC's also are generally somewhat vague.

[@chromosomehoarder6927]

The Griffen is compatible with 6.5 grendal

[@Sceptis]

Do you have any insight into using the 6.5 Grendel with a shorter than 16" barrel? On paper, it seems to do well out of even 10" barrels at 500+, but I haven't found a whole lot of real world data that would confirm it.

[@grif5447]

Sorry I'm not Brass Facts but I've thought about this topic a bit so I'll give my .02 if you like. It really just comes down to logistics. I've gotten away from the notion that you will battlefield pickup ammo or anything but be prepared to accept that however many rounds you have may well be the amount of rounds you will ever be able to shoot. This is pretty obvious in a complete collapse but as we've seen, even in relatively stable times, the last cartridges that will be available (even if at astronomical prices) are going to be .22lr, 9mm, .223/5.56, 7.62x39 and .308. Also, consider parts. Stock up on bolts, as they will break faster than similar quality 5.56 bolts. Reliable magazines are less ubiquitous of course. Finally, if you are in a group, consider ammo commonality. The purpose of the Mk12 was to get as close to a sniper/dm role as possible without moving to a different cartridge. SF guys around that time shot Mk262 out of everything simply due to increased lethality over M855 (perceived or real) so everyone had ammo for the SPR and he had ammo for everyone with no loss of zeroes. One very fringe consideration would be footprint. One of the original advertised benefits of the Masada turned ACR was the ability to swap to "local" ammunition. Not so much for logistics but to hide your activity as a pile of x39 cases on the ground of Middle Eastern countries wouldn't advertise your presence as much as a pile of 5.56 cases. 6.5 Grendel would stick out very much in any environment really. Like I said, fringe/minor but it's something. As for the performance itself, Grendel is great for being able to shoot past 1000 with an AR-15 lower but long barrels are the ticket for maximum efficiency. IMHO, an accurate, well setup 16" 5.56 is a 600 yard gun all day, 800 if you needed to push it, and the tradeoffs of less ammo for a given weight/mag count/budget + less availability and harder to source parts aren't worth a few inches of barrel for me. YMMV.

[@Sceptis]

@@grif5447 Thanks for the input. More often than not, the nuances found on the "fringe" of a topic are at the very least intriguing to consider. Would not have thought about leaving a brass foot-print...

[@caseysmith8831]

If this helps. Out of my 12.5 inch Grendel. 100 grain I get a MV of 2298 and G1 of .415. Configured off my Labradar. With wolf ammo and I can go 3/3 on a 5inch plate at 300 yards with a primary arms 1x6. The mags are eh kinda not awesome. Occasionally malfunctions. I like it, but honestly a 14.5 inch 556 and a midlength gas system is where I lean to.

[@BrassFacts]

my biggest issue is that I can't afford it. cost is not just the rifle but staking about 5k + rounds for both usage, and to protect against ammo scares. I also need to buy enough ammo to train on the new system with. In the end it's not worth the squeeze to venture away from the standard cartridges until I win the lottery.

[@alexgavieres8293]

Yeah, a short Grendel would be cool! I'm building a 16" Grendel with a PA 4-14x. In my mind, it only works out because I'm sharing the lower with a 18" 5.56 upper, if SHTF. 5.56 is nice, until you get past 300 or 400 yards. By then, it's not even dumping enough energy to create big enough splash in the dirt to see. But then again, a lightweight Grendel sending 123's could actually be a handful if it's not tuned well. This is where the 6mm ARC comes in, shooting 105-108's. Sweet spot for that one is probably an 18" rifle-length with an adjustable gas block. If Geissele likes 6mmARC enough to build magazines for it....then it must be pretty good.

[@mikewassmer3935]

The best part is the end. It reminds us of what we fight for. Our dog’s

[@Pompomgrenade]

You've done more than help me out... Help me sort a lot of the choices I've made over the years... Starting with a carry handle A2, and Troy quad-rail to host a EOtech co-witnessed... Then getting a .223rem 24"bull premium barrel, generous optics and well fitted ergos 2benchrest trigger (squirrel gun) ... Idiotic consumerism leaves me w/Best compromise yet: do-it-yourself SPR, GHETTO $NIPER..CQB fightin'stick.... 16-in Noveske upper in Troy receiver, 4xACOG, POF trigger, UBR stock, Harris legs.. Viking sling. As a lefty, love your videos... Subject matter of dynamic deliberate modern firearms usage is so TABOO that I'll be forever grateful for your shared knowledge and experience 🇺🇲 Thanks 👍... we're going to win this 'game'🔥

[@colbyb7431]

What happened at 2:48? Did your friend bump fire on accident?

[@BrassFacts]

yeah.

[@colbyb7431]

@@BrassFacts amazing - his face was hilariously confused 😂

[@Bursar60]

FRT? Or how do i accidentally 3 round bump that smooth lol

[@colbyb7431]

@@Bursar60 I would assume he has a SSA or whatever geissele trigger with short travel and it surprised him.

[@Bursar60]

@@colbyb7431 especially if he was weighting the chassis forward, now i gotta try more.

[@gardnert1]

You should train shooting prone in the snow. It will either make you want to change your kit accordingly or just train you to get used to the cold and damp.

[@BrassFacts]

I do. there's plenty of footage of me doing so.

[@supertrooper7403]

Good on you for training. A gpr is all 99% of us need. I had a M21 as a DMR and I loved it. At 12 pounds, I hated it. Combat is not open fields anymore. It’s your neighborhood street or your town. Speed and violence is all that will be needed. Just my 2 cents. One option, like in regiment, have a separate upper with a 20” barrel and a lpvo, switch out as necessary or as needs change.

[@rustywolf6813]

Lol, you sound like me. Have a Bula Scout in a Blackfeather chassis, Criterion barrel, Schuster plug, Leupold VX5 3-15X44, cross drilled spindle for suppressed shooting, Sadlak Piston, CASM rail, Smith bolt release and more crap I've spent stupid money on, lol, and freaking LOVE THAT THING!!! But I'll be damned if I'm toting it around with me in SHTF or something, lol. Which is a shame, it's a versatile platform, I've run Black tips that went through armor, it's sub MOA if I do my part and turning off the gas and running subs like a straight pull bolt action is F-ing trick!! But she be a pig.... If you like 7.62 NATO, like me, take a look at the POF Revolution, or Wyndham AR10, besides the recoil (which you get used to), I'm a tad bit slower than running my MCX SBR 300BO suppressed, but not much slower. Just a thought to throw your way. I wanted to ditch weight, but not my beloved 308 caliber.

[@supertrooper7403]

@@rustywolf6813 mine was all courtesy of the US Army and the great taxpayers of America. It was/is a classic DMR. Once I move out of the communist state that I live in, I will buy one. They are banned where I live, thanks to the Democrats. I carried this rifle everywhere but still had a m4 carbine. It was great to be able to reach out at distance but the weight was a bit much between the 308 and the 556 ammo we had to carry. Your rifle sounds like a beauty.

[@rustywolf6813]

@@supertrooper7403 Thanks!! Yeah, they are heavy, but nice. I've never had to jump around a bunch of ammo plus 2 rifles, but I think, just my theory, lol, that I'd still choose 308 in a lighter platform. But who knows in real world. I've run courses with 308, but it's short running and not loaded down. Think it comes down to if you have a car, other team mates, etc. In SHTF. They are tough not to love, though. Was your's a Smith Enterprises DMR? Those are awesome, but ouch on the wallet.

[@supertrooper7403]

@@rustywolf6813 I could divvy up extra ammo for the m21 amongst my squad mates so it did help. We were dismounted so everywhere was an adventure on foot....my recruiter said, “ man you will love the Infantry, trust me”. No my rifle was 100% Springfield Armory.

[@ModernArcher262]

I love your content, man. So glad I found the channel. We have similar thought processes, which I know means that you have solid experience and time thinking about these things. I’m here for it.

[@noalane3626]

And just so everyone knows for those who don’t, in the army the DMR is mostly used in a deliberate fashion, overwatch, support by fire, observation post and is a secondary weapon system to the rifleman usually carried disassembled , again depends on your mission if the goal is the make contacts in a forest, maybe don’t need it , if there’s an ODA within your NAI that’s perfect for overwatch to clear the NAI

[@ThatGuy-mu2rr]

I have an AR10 that I’m building right now. It currently has iron sites and will soon have a x2 scope. My night vision will be pvs 7 goggles attached to my high cut helmet. To be used for neighborhood defense in a SHTF scenario. Have a zeroing and practice range on my property. How am I doing so far ?

[@Spessforce]

It will be very interesting to see the Maztech fire control optics when they release and what they do to first shot accuracy on SPRs and similar rifles.

[@lostmountainresearchco]

I don't believe society will collapse. But your voice is just so damn soothing.

[@Specter_ZO6]

Currently making a MK12 type build. 18” ballistic advantage ops12 barrel. 2 stage trigger, fixed magpul stock. Need a few more things to have it completed. Rifle is all set up just need accessories. I’ve been looking at the EOtech 1-10x scope (currently has an EOtech holographic sight) and still looking at bipods. Should I just have a more rifle set scope and 45° offset red dot? What about running suppressors? I have the Surefire flash hider and already have a Surefire can. Looking at getting a suppressor cover too to stop mirage.

[@BrassFacts]

I mean that's really up to you. This vide is basically LPVO vs MPVO. so it depends what you want and don't want. If it's a really a mk12 style build. The need for the 1x is vastly reduced.

[@robswire1411]

I had to make sure I didnt have Rimworld open in the background while watching this 🤣

[@DLN-ix6vf]

Question: a 223 & 5.56 case are identical with the exception the 5.56 has approx. 2 gns. more in powder load and hence additional pressure. The only physical difference is in the rifle chamber as the 5.56 has a longer throat and leade to compensate for additional chamber pressure & bullet speed. Can't we just trim the case to say 1.745 and increase the seating depth coupled with 2 gns. more of powder and shoot this out of a 223 rifle ? The reduced trimming and increased seating should help compensate the cartridge neck/bullet so a 223 chamber can be used. Anyone know ?

[@macgyver5108]

"5.56 kinda sucks", for long range past 500 that's an understatement, makes for good wind call practice though! Why I went with an 18" 6.5 Grendel SPR profile barrel, so I could get more use out of it being able to hunt with it in multiple states that have minimum caliber requirements for big game at longer ranges vs a "varmint caliber" 5.56. Finding ammo down the road might be an issue if the poo hits the rotary air device, but that's what the OTHER upper is for right?!

[@sombra6153]

Having played around with long distance shooting with a 14.5 AR with match trigger and good barrel, I found that 10x magnification is the sweet spot for distances at least out to 500m. When starting, I was using a 4x16. Used the 16x as a crutch until an old Marine Scout Sniper coached me on the etiquette (for lack of better words) of long range shooting. Bipod or back pack or ability to utilize whatever rest for stability is a must. For what you are discussing, I’m good with a 16 inch tube, but if I was going to build one, I’d go with an 18 inch. Whole thing to consider is if one has to carry a rifle for any length of time, unnecessary weight is a consideration that can be mitigated thru training, specifically for the mission.

[@sbraha80]

Would you tell me please? What cartridge are you using that you feel is still effective at 4-500 meters? In an AR -15.

[@maniac117]

It would be interesting to see you explore some of the alternative AR-15 caliber options for this rifle role, like 6.5 ARC and 6.8 SPC.

[@johnbarnes7838]

Agreed. I know everyone and their dog runs a 5.56, but let's do like Uncle Sam and start exploring other options.

[@ianbantjes3785]

You make really great points here. Thank you. Keep doing the good work 👏

[@DevelopmentRobco]

I want a good scope, but living in brushy areas with lots of trees, vines, and bushes as well as being a semi-large town/small city with scattered communities and neighborhoods, I don't see a lot of need to move up from 5.56 to 308 or higher, but not go below 5.56 or the 16-18 inch barrel.

[@charlesl5226]

What are your thoughts on having an 18in .308 spr, a 16in 5.56 GPR, then a say a 10.5in 5.56 sbr to cover all your engagement distances and better over lap each other from 0-1,000m. And I’m not including a shotgun and or Glock pistol conversation to cover the 0-75m ranges. Also get that dogo some ear pro so we can see it on the range.

[@BrassFacts]

if money is no concern then yeah that'd be great. But if money is a concern (it always is) I think having a very squared away 10-12.5 gun with a can is a good starting point. Or a 13.7-16" if you're not running a can. From there you can dabble in long range stuff. I'm a fan of the SPR (556) vs 308 (SASS/SAPR whatever). But once funds become available and my ammo stocks have recovered from 2020 I'll look at reviewing, kitting one out. The short of it is; it's useful, but even more niche vs the 556 SPR

[@charlesl5226]

@@BrassFacts I’m with ya. Ya practicality of reaching out to 1,000 outside of target shooting isn’t there.

[@dw5523]

Another benefit of the SPR is having a precision(ish) rifle that looks a lot like every other rifle. Makes it hard for adversaries to spot and target the shooter in the group.

[@newdefsys]

Thats alright, because I'm taking the guy out with the long antenna, first.

[@dw5523]

@traplordghost it looks more like every other rifle than an M21 or M24, or any other precision rifle in current use.

[@dw5523]

@traplordghost so you agree that a 20” AR pattern rifle looks a lot like any other AR pattern rifle at distance? Or was there another point you wanted to make?

[@dw5523]

@traplordghost you said a 20” AR doesn’t look like an AR, I said it looks more like an AR than any other precision weapon, to which you replied with an example of…an AR pattern rifle. Go pee up someone else’s leg scooter.

[@dw5523]

@traplordghost I read just fine. You picked a nit, based on a stupid opinion, with nothing to back it up but hot air and bad insults. Cry more.

[@jimhovater8755]

Great fortune to me in finding this ad I'm in the early stages of putting together my rendition of an SPR for use in my AO (0-400m).

[@mc4906]

I'd say the main reason why one might "need" a SPR/DMR is if they have a lot of acreage to protect or if they're a hunter. Otherwise technically one doesn't "need" one because at those distances that sure as heck isn't self defense. On the other hand it's like you said, we don't have to need anything to get it in America. Plus, in a SHTF scenario all bets are off.

[@bradsimpson8724]

I have 340 acres of land, with a huge mountainous wildlife preserve on one side, and miles upon miles of farmland in every other direction. I have two ARs; an 18" barreled 6.5 Grendel and a 9" barreled .300BLK SBR. That little .300BLK is a cool gun to take to the range and to courses, and I do throw it in my truck when I'm doing drives around the city to collect parts and supplies, but on a day-to-day basis, that 18" "SPR" is a workhorse. Great for deer hunting, great for picking off coyotes and groundhogs and pigs and such, not heavy or unwieldy to carry around for long periods... it's my favourite firearm. And if the end of the world came calling and I had to worry about hordes of zombies or something like that, it would be my constant companion out here. If the ATF came knocking tomorrow and told me I could only keep one long gun, I'd send that SBR out the door and keep my Grendel in a heartbeat.

[@themagnificent9296]

I think I'm just going to review these video enough times that I start to understand exactly everything you're saying, I don't mind the presentation is pretty bomb keep it up‼️💯💯🔥🔥

[@calvinruggles732]

I like the magpul ubr stock on these. It's solid without wiggle, it's just heavy enough to offset some of that nose heavy feeling you get from the longer barrel, and best of all, it doesn't pull beard hairs

[@joehuff4025]

My DMR’s are on the heavy side, I keep my GPR I keep simple and lightweight. My truck gun is an AMD65 with irons, 0-100 is all I’m worried about in a truck gun. I’m a fan of 1-6 LPVO with BDC for my GPR, 0-300 yards. I have guns set up out to 1000 but the chances of needing them in a SHTF situation is slim.

[@jkellyid]

Sporting a Leupold 2-12x44, has no parallax adjustment, MSRP is 1,300... They don't even have a Manuel for it. The Manuel currently on their sight is for a different scope! What a difficult space to find well made optics.

[@sgator18]

Appreciate the video and appreciate that care of that dog.👍

[@run_lift_communicate]

Bro, thank you so much for what you do. Watching your videos is therapy 👍🏻

[@MrSmith-zy2bp]

Enjoy watching your videos the past few days, after the algorithm suggested your channel. Do you think for 500 to 600 yards, should one consider a 308 semiauto or go with the 18" AR15 and stay with 5.56? Thanks.

[@BrassFacts]

you could consider it. It really depends how likely the 500-600 yard shot is. If it's rare within the context of your long range shooting, nah. If it's fairly common, and perhaps wind is also a thing? Yeah. You also have to consider the logistical aspect are you squared away with 556, are you ready for another ammo price spike in 5-10 years?

[@e.manske7596]

I couldn't help but notice... You asked one of the questions I had awhile back (2015); about a rifle using .308 cal. Vs .556. I decided to get the Springfield M1A Scout Squad (18" barrel). It's a proven military battle rifle and still in use by the marine Corp and some army units as a DMR. The only issue for me is the cost of ammo : ( And it is heavy, relatively speaking. To my knowledge, I am not aware of a more reliable weapon system using .308 (7.62 nato) in a semiautomatic shoulder carried rifle. I also have a couple AR's and I would say they are easier to carry and hike(hump) with; ammo is less expensive and you can carry more rounds of .556, period. Probably double because .556 round looks to be half the size off .308(7.62) 🤷🏽‍♂️ I never weighed them to factually check. God bless America 🇺🇸

[@commoncorysense1809]

@@e.manske7596 There dozens of other semiautomatic shoulder fired platforms that are chambered in 308-7.62x51. And most of them weigh significantly less than your M1A

[@Fister_of_Muppets]

To the average gun owner, going from a 14.5" or 16" AR to something like a Mk12-ish 18" SPR build may seem like splitting hairs in practicality. To a seasoned shooter, the SPR is a valuable rifle. Shooting 75 gr HPBT or 77 gr OTM out of a 18" barrel can stay supersonic out to ~900 yds.

[@jammbbs1688]

I absolutely love my "spr" it's an armalite model M153GN18 which is 18 inch 1/8th twist ss rifle length gas hbar 3lb single stage ergo wide rubber grip which giga Chad keymod rail can't forget the adjustable gas block and adjustable muzzle break

[@ryanhutchinson3550]

What about Alco bullets with a 14.5. Their 62 grain bullets stay supersonic out to 1200 yards?

[@jluvnklee]

I built one because it’s cool and I like it, also it may have a purpose when the poop gets deep. To me if a rifle isn’t accurate it isn’t very interesting. I know that it’s still an AR and is not a true sniper system, but it’s a nice crossover, especially if we are talking about 556. My build went a little more into the weeds with a Geissele Mk 18 Arca rail handguard, Meopta Optika 3-18 scope and an 18 inch Douglas 1/8 Mark 12 barrel. I don’t mind the extra bulk and weight for a bit more specialized for accuracy and the gear that goes with it ect, oh yeah I also plan on eventually doing some gas gun matches, so it’s also a possible gaming gun. Nice videos bro!

[@20DYNAMITE06]

I always learn a bunch from your videos. Thanks!

[@willspanish]

GRW music is a nice touch

[@highandloose7701]

Love the channel, big fan. The background music is hella depressing though.

[@BrassFacts]

whaaaat? it's rimworld music. It's chill.

[@dustinramose]

What gas block do you have? I just built my 18 spr with an mk12 gas block from thoroughbred armament. I put an mcmr rail over it and now see that the lower section is in contact with the rail which I'd assume defeats the purpose of free float. Using a bull spr barrel from BA

[@BrassFacts]

Yeah, that's no good. you don't want contact. If I recal it's a Odin works mini gasblock or something. It's been a *long* time since I put this rifle together

[@vicnighthorse]

Good video, especially the explaining that those that don't believe social and economic collapse are possible should watch something else. Without that notion, these preps wouldn't make sense (unless one liked LARPing). I just blew my discretionary spending on solar power, prescription stockpiling, and water storage and treatment. For the time being I don't have the money to finish my .243WSSM AR. I really like that fat little over-bored cartridge even if I can only fit 8 in my modified 30rnd pmags. It's point blank range with 2" over and under limits is 300 yards. I don't buy into the notion that I will find loot piles with usable ammo in the post apocalyptic wastes if I just stick to the most common chamberings.

[@nesano4735]

Oh god, don't make me wanna play RimWorld.

[@theinfamoust4670]

I like the Rimworld soundtrack. Thanks for the video.

[@nitemare5030]

Great work as always

[@squib3083]

Good topic and discussion. Dig your channel.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

First time watching, really like the out of the box intelligence you bring to the table, the question is (Primarily in a rural wooded area) would you go with a (gpr) first 5.56 like a 14.5-16” with an lpvo and rds and then going for a more qualified Spr 308.... With my 3-10X with parallax adjustment. Of course that would be ideal, but even a GPR AR & a 308 bolt action would be nice too. Geuss I'm asking if you would rather have both or just one that can do both pretty good?

[@BrassFacts]

If the question is "general use" the answer is always 5.56, GPR The ability to fight at 200 yards an in always supersedes my ranged capability. That being said, I wouldn't say no to a semi-auto 308 platform and in some ways, if you have long sight lines can make up for it's downfalls.

[@aahhronismyname8068]

Interesting. This is kinda of a late reply. When you talk about optics... Iirc, the spr mod 0/1 was fitted with leupy 2-8. Ts30 I believe. Long been discontinued. I am cheap. I had a VXR with a german 4 reticle but sold it for an acog but being a regretful person, I recently bought a Leupy 2-7 vx freedom with hunters plex. Just a duplex with very very thick outer lines that tapered to thinner for the center. VXR's has been discontinued as well. Anywho, with my zero, I'm at +/- 3 inches out til 225 yards. Using the top of the post of the bottom line (which is 10 moa from center to top of the post of bottom line) I'm suppose to be good out to 495 yards. Would you consider that as an spr or gpr? I cant confirm a 495 yard shot cause my local range sucks. Use to go to 460 yards but residents complained and shit happened... So now it's only limited to 100 yards. Btw I confirmed that the vx freedom is an etched reticle via customer service with leupy. Which I like.

[@Baker1798]

What kind of area you live in is also a factor, I live in an urban environment in Maine, so even if I leave town I am still in the most densely wooded state. I am unlikely to find myself at this kind of range often unless I stayed in the farming areas

[@StefanSu91]

How are you finding the red dot at 12 o'clock? Are you finding any inconsistencies/difficulty in having to change your cheek up and down? I'm also having a hard time justifying an LPVO and a red dot. Seems redundant to me and not a lot of benefits. I am considering something like a 2.5-10 with the red dot on top. Pretty much exactly the same setup as in the video. Can anyone attest to that? Is a 2.5-10 better than a 1-10? Eye relief, etc? Also, going on a 14.5 sr15, which also makes me wonder if that 2.5-10 is overdoing it.

[@BrassFacts]

the 2.5-10x is better at doing rifle things vs a 1-10. But no. the RDS up top is not a substitute for a 1x

[@StefanSu91]

@@BrassFacts But why would you say that? This is what I'm trying to figure out. If it won't serve its purpose for a 1x, why have it at all? Passive aiming under nods and 'just in case' is all? Also what max distance would you say you could comfortable engage with it?

[@BrassFacts]

@@StefanSu91 lining up the shot at range, passive aiming under nods, some instances of close quarters. You can train where it's quite fast, but it's still just slower, and your face kinda moves around more under recoil due to the lack of a proper cheek weld when shooting fast.

[@StefanSu91]

@@BrassFacts awesome. Thank you for the quick answers. Makes me wonder if a canted red dot might work slightly better for you in some ways.

[@macgyver5108]

IMO if you can't do without a dot, you're WAY better off with a red dot on a 45° mount point vs over the TOP of another optic, like was mentioned for better cheek weld, sight transition speed and aim/hit consistency. On that note though I also prefer a small reflex sight because it has a more open frame vs a bigger "red dot" in a tube for better FOV/situational awareness. Mount it as far forward on the "upper" (not on the handguard though) as possible, using a scope mount that has both typical vertical rings with a 45° pic mount built in. That WILL make your windage turret a bit fiddly to change but dialing for wind is slow vs holding for wind so...

[@Bluemuse182]

Was the action footage filmed out at lone rock just off I-80 in utah?

[@BrassFacts]

ye

[@Kross8761]

I think the SPR is still relevant, but the GPR/RECCE rifle starts to get closer to that territory and may fill "part" of the niche for a lot of people. I don't have an SPR and dont really see myself needing one due to my location and terrain (mostly wooded mountains in the southeast US). My "Recce" AR with an LPVO stretches about as far as i need to and does still give me the option to observe at distances that I'm most likely to encounter. I can very reliably stretch out to about 500yds comfortably and my ammo kind of hits its limit for what I'd consider still "decent" terminal performance at about that same range. For further shooting or observation i have a much more powerful rifle with a much more powerful optic that I'd much rather use than anything chambered in an intermediate cartridge anyways. I think the SPR does indeed still serve a purpose, especially for someone in potentially open terrain (like you) who may have to walk or "patrol" with a rifle capable of reaching further than a standard carbine with an LPVO or something similar. For me and my terrain, and my "people" situation (I'm definitely the best long range shooter in my family and trusted community) if i might need to reach out farther than my LPVO can get me I'll just deal with the extra weight and grab my bolt gun since I'd (most likely) have some backup. I practice with my long range rifle often because i have a shooting lane along a powerline cut very close to my house where i can shoot safely without worrying about people or property damage. Long sight lines exist here, but they're rare.

[@es4583]

The SPR is an outgrowth of the SEAL Recon rifle. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_12_Special_Purpose_Rifle#Barrel It is just that different units preferred different barrel lengths. The SEALs wanted the 16 inch, and other SOCOM units wanted a slightly longer barrel. The Marines also used the MK12 but have replaced it with a version of the 16.5 inch barrel M27 IAR. Regardless of what you call it, it is just a more accurate 5.56 gun shooting 77 grain ammo. And the difference between a 16 inch and an 18 inch with 77 grain ammo, is about 40 to 50 fps. Outside of people trying to clone military weapons, there is no actual difference here between the Recon rifle and the SPR.

[@noalane3626]

Just a reminder that variation of tactic /technique is important and infantry load out is set up that way for a reason, hence forth your technical proficiencies and weapon capabilities should be taken into consideration during your EADEV (engagement area development) something to think about and if you’re alone and all you have is your SPR I promise you you’re not gonna die cause you picked the wrong load out lol

[@HYDRAdude]

Is that RimWorld music in the intro?

[@michaelsarkisian1047]

I have a question, If you are going to have an SPR, why not have it in a caliber worth a damn? My SPR is chambered in 6.5 Grendel with a 3-18 primary arms scope, recon flex bipod, 22 inch heavy fluted barrel. I can reach out to 1,000 yards or better

[@bradsimpson8724]

I currently own two ARs; a .300BLK with a 9.5" barrel and a 6.5 Grendel with an 18". Given my rural location(on a homestead) between several hundred miles of serious commercial farmland and a couple hundred miles of rugged mountain terrain, and my lack of reasons(and desire) to venture into closer terrain(particularly urban areas), particularly in a period where shit is hitting the fan, means my .300BLK is an instrument of limited utility. When I took my third CQB course, I actually did it with my 18" gun and was surprised by the results. I was definitely a bit slower with it, but not by as much as I thought, and the guys in the class that were considerably faster than me would have been considerably faster regardless of the difference in hardware. Conversely, reaching beyond 150 around here with my .300BLK is only happening under very specific conditions. I've since reconfigured my SBR as a strictly subsonic gun and am currently investigating the quietest can I can mount on it. With my recent exploration of the PDW world(your video on it is what led me to your channel), that SBR is probably going to be a range toy that lets me live out the occasional SEAL fantasy. I don't know who said it, but I remember a quote: "you can make your rifle easy to shoot, or you can make your rifle easy to live with; there's no free lunch." Since even in a SHTF situation I won't have to live with my rifle the same way that a professional infantryman would, I may as well keep it easier to shoot. I think there's far too much emphasis on short ARs out there for people who have more of a fantasy use than a real use for them, which works for me. It proves you can still do what you like in this country, and it means that if things really do go to hell, there won't be any shortage of nice SBRs for me to loot off of the guys killed in CQB.

[@emtothedee]

Wait I’m confused if a majority of engagement ranges would be at non point blank ranges than why are we considering an lpvo and not just going with mpvo and red dot?

[@BrassFacts]

because, the benefits of the a MPVO don't really manifest under 400

[@emtothedee]

@@BrassFacts got it. So basically they both will get it done. Just choose the one that matches your recreational shooting style the best and then roll with what ya got if things go south

[@cartertufts0401]

So as I’m seeing this, having a 556 spr sounds like a lot of downsides to get a marginally better accuracy at intermediate ranges, with the main upside being that in a shtf scenario you can use it in close range, and it uses the same ammo as your ordinary fighting rifle, so to me, this is the gun that gets you from point a to b when fights are likely, and you need to get back home to your heavier duty 7.62 dmr platform

[@MountainMace]

Would you say the AK makes a good GPR? And do you plan to do any more videos with it?

[@5.56hero5]

Hey well thought out video! Great quality, I’m subscribing!! Sweet to hear another perspective of an SPR lol great content. Now I have to watch more! What state you located in? Looks like where I live?

[@BrassFacts]

Ut, welcome aboard!

[@hxdaro]

What I learned from building a lightweight SPR based off of this video is a few things: 500-600 Yards with an AR sounds fantastic until you realize that if you live in, for example Appalachia like I do, seeing past 300 yards is incredibly rare. Sacrificing good 1x capabilities and mobility isn't worth the off chance that you'd need to shoot past 300 yards which, even if you had the chance.. why would you do that in a SHTF situation? It is completely, utterly impossible to keep an SPR under 10lbs, no matter what. Even with a lightweight barrel and lightweight handguard you aren't going to be able to stay under 10lbs UNLESS you want to forgo a flashlight. Say goodbye to a can because at the end of a 18" fulcrum it's going to SUCK. Additionally, lightweight parts such as lightweight handguards to keep SPR weight down really sucks. The PrimaryArms GLX 2.5-10x is an incredible optic, IMO. Only need for an offset dot is roomclearing, because even within 30 yards outdoors the 2.5x works just fine.

[@ChemistyStudent]

@Hidaro It's hard getting a light weight precise rifle, but it's absolutely doable. Mine all told weighs roughly 8lb. In between a Faxon 18in match Gunner, Carbon Fiber handguard and a KP15 lower receiver you can get really light rifles that still are precise tools.

[@kevinbutler6165]

That's a nice way to come home, man. Good stuff.

[@BlueDevilBrew]

Best B roll footage on KZbin

[@macgyver5108]

16:43 "VARIABLE this is KNIFE! WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU!?"

[@davidp.6871]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the dead air keymo system and suppressors, good work as always.

[@BrassFacts]

one day, I'd like to own more suppressors before i feel qualified to talk on it

[@SCQT]

Ive owned at least one can from all of the common manufacturers. Keymo definitely one of the best QD lockup systems out there. Maybe the best. Most of the cans from the most common large manufacturers are all excellent. Some designs are better than others imo, but quality is pretty good across the board. Choice will mostly come down to price / design / QD preference. Only note i would make on DA cans, is if you are considering the Nomad, but dont ever plan to use direct thread, get the Sandman instead. Cheaper and slightly lighter, once you factor in the keymo adapter. Great can other than that though.

[@colinbloomer2259]

What's the song that you have playing in the background of the audio?

[@BoogieMan85]

What about muzzle devices? Flash hider or muzzle brake?

[@protectpersevere2030]

Nothing is a dumb purchase if you’ve used it at least once or learned from it. Just like it’s not wasted time if you enjoyed the time and gained experience.

[@MEANLILSHT]

Good video, one thing you might want to try, set your red dot on a 45 degree offset. That way you keep cheek weld and just rotate a bit.

[@MyLonewolf25]

With it on top you can use the RDS ambi easily. As well as it can be used to get into a target area quickly and just drop your eyes into the glass for the precision shot

[@BrassFacts]

The main "point" for that RDS for me is indexing the rifle on target at distance, and night vision shooting. 1x daytime shooting is my 3rd consideration. The first two work far better in the 12oclock.

[@noeyeddeer7526]

@@BrassFacts what is the mount for your red dot on this setup?

[@K1dD3ath]

Any thoughts on PROOF barrels for a SPR or Sniper system?

[@hoosier_tactics]

SPR and GPR are essentially the same, expect 2 things. (3 if you count gas system or barrel). 1) larger high mag scope. 2) ammo type like 62-77 grain rounds. I would say a better GPR would be a fixed power scope with a back up sight system or a 1x prism or red dot with a magnifier with emphasis being standard ammo yype noot 77 grain type. i think this clarifies more and sets a bigger gap between the 2 builds.

[@bordersoldier]

Ever paint the inside of the ejection cover?

[@anglerf0rlife]

I just discovered your channel. I hear you know Hop, seems like a good place i'll stick around! Great content

[@BrassFacts]

welcome on board

[@mwilson6534]

Often, those that want to dissuade you from preparing to defend your life, liberty or property are the ones looking to take them.